/diy/ - Do It Yourself

>>2453393
I'm suing you, John

>>2453413
My name is Giovanni Gorgio, but everyone calls me Gorgio.

>>2453393
>He got addicted to spice
This is what you get for working on Arrakis

>>2453393
It was my fault really, young and doing a startup. Hired a sales team, 3 fresh out of school one seasoned guy who lied to me. They were all lazy fucks to the point I had to babysit them the entire day, and they would complain about shit like phones not being good enough. I and to do my job making the product and their to actually sell it. I thought I was smart, getting these people who are willing to work for cheap while giving them a chance to start. Instead hiring one experienced sales dude would've been better than 4 of these good for nothing slackers.

>>2453478
>sales team
>lied to me
That's like getting a bird and being surprised it flies.

>>2453475
Came here to post this

>>2453478
>>complain about shit like phones not being good enough
>Be OP
>Hire team of people that talks on the phone all day long
>Give sales team the cheapest Chinese wall mount corded phone he could find on Amazon
>Tell team they can't have a headset they can just hold the phone to their ear with their shoulder
>Ignore team when they complain that isn't good enough
Why are small business owners like this?

>>2453654
boomers and their urge to see others worse of than them so they can masturbate giving moralized grandiose platitudes using the words "earn" and "worth"

>>2453478
Business phones are garbage now like everything else to do with phone systems. DS1 or even pot phone systems are still the gold standard. Voip a shit.

>>2453590
kek

>>2453665
OP probably got cheap POTS phones and plugged them into Magic Jacks bridged over WiFi then yelled at the sales team for losing prospects when the calls got dropped because his kid started torrenting shit.

>>2453654
Bullshit
More like
>be op
>buy three iPhone SE 3rd gen brand new from Apple and put them on a business account with a unlimited plan
>good for nothing fucking employees complain and constantly call it an iPhone 6 and daily ask for a iPhone 14 pro xs max plus project Red rose gold

>>2453475

>Spice

Just call it what it is, OP. You hired a crackhead, sales people are untrustworthy and people fresh out of school are useless.

>>2453741
Well there was the synthetic legal Marijuana referred to as spice. I have no idea if that's still around in some form or if delta8 killed it. It was definitely fucking up a select few people that actually liked it.

>>2453654
>>2453667
t. addict oxygen thieves that are angry they don't get $50 an hour, a company car, a black card, 3 hour lunch breaks and a per diem weed allowance at as an apprentice burger flipper

>>2453741
>>2453765
Yes it’s synthetic marijuana. It fucked him up bad. Imho it’s as bad as meth.

>>2453777
Checked and rekt

>>2453765
>>2453887
I did some of that stuff back in the late 2000s and I'm pretty sure it gave me tics... at least i stopped though. I'm surprised that stuff is still allowed and worry for the people who have done it for years. It's really scary..

I think a lot of the nightmare employee issues in small businesses could be sorted out managers in small businesses actually understood people and it would be a bonus if they also knew how to manage people.

Most don't. So they end up with bad hires, or an ineffectual team of okay hires that under-perform because manager doesn't know how to manage.

>>2453696
>>buy three iPhone SE 3rd gen
>Buy retard expensive overkill phones
>Still don't buy headset
>Tell sales team to use speakerphone if they don't want to hold phone with their shoulder
>Still don't give sales team their own office
OP is still a moron even with your ludicrous defense

>>2453393
thats why i keep my work life completely separate from my personal life. anyway..
>get a job as a mid level employee
>other mid level employee is obviously shit but it doesnt really effect me
>starts to piss me off that she can be so shit and get away with it
>convince the boss to get rid of her
>HR steps in and its too much work for the boss to get rid of her
>time passes, now im the boss
>swore i would get rid of her no matter what it took
>3 days before i was going to terminate her, she went on leave for 'medical reasons'.
>its been months since shes been to work and i still cant replace her
>mfw she played the long con

>>2453946
Had a coworker do that hair to my boss who was also my very good friend. I’m still pissed about it. He paid her during maternity leave because he thought it was the right thing to do. She saved all the money he paid her and started her own competing business after turning in her resignation her first day back. Total fucking betrayal. It wasn’t even my company and I’m still pissed about it.

>>2453974
This is a hardware store cat btw. He stares at me menacingly every time I go in there.

Also *shit* not “hair” on my previous post.

>>2453974
People with no morals and who take advantage of others should be put in their place.
What a cunt.

>>2453393
the fuck is spice?

>>2454036
Back when marijuana was completely illegal. Gas stations would important a semi legal synthetic versions. But the effects would be bad because imported shady Chinese pharma is regulated or subject to quality control.

>>2453475
Shai-hulud be praised!

>>2453887
I find it hard to believe anyone in this day and age is dumb enough to use bath salts when weed and delta-8 are legal in most places.

shit he could have tried kratom or kava or something instead too.

>>2454059
He did kratom daily. He was in probation so I think he thought “oh hey this won’t show up on my drug test” but it did and that’s another story. I think he got a batch that became super addictive. It took a week for him to get off of it the first time.

>this thread

so just avoid drug addict, zoomers, and women, who could have possibly seen this coming

>>2453946
Affect. A person affects you, or you suffered the effects of their actions.

>>2454059
Spice is not bath salts

>>2453478
At least you learned to not be a dumbfuck cheapskate.
>>2453777
>oh gee, I wonder how come the only people who will work for me are loser crackheads who can't show up on time and are constantly stealing from me?
You get what you pay for, retard.
You get what you pay for

>>2454102
Avoid Gen X, boomers and millennials too, then you won't have any problems

>>2453393
Hired a ex-junkie as a helper/apprentice because YOU CANT FIND ANYONE TO FUCKING WORK. Guy had been clean for two years, but once you get addicted to that shit it must fuck up your brain chemistry or something. Dude was the most miserable son of a bitch I’ve ever met. Laid him off because of covid, and sometimes I lay awake at night wondering if I made him relapse.

>>2453475
The sleeper has awakened

>>2454308
> YOU CANT FIND ANYONE TO FUCKING WORK
Nigger just raise the rate it's that simple

>>2454380
>NOOOOOOOOOOO I CANT HECKIN OFFER $12 AN HOUR THIS JOB IS ONLY WORTH $10 AN HOUR NOT MY HECKIN PROFITERINOS!!!!!

>>2454380
The masonry company i work for pays $25-30 an hour for fucking HELPERS and they still don't want the job lmao.

>>2454564
It's funny how business owners, and especially boomers will have the biggest hard-on for free market capitalism until it comes to competing in the labor market.
Then they'll bleed from their vaginas harder than any commie.
>oh my god! I can't find anybody to work my basic labor job for $30/hour except for the occasional crackhead. People just don't want to work!
Listen you stingy nigger, have you seen the inflation lately? $30 an hour is nothing. Either quit bitching, up your wages, or go bankrupt you stupid motherfucker.

>>2454620
Oh hey look, a guy who has never owned a business. I’m shocked! (I’m not)

>>2454623
Nobody cares, cry baby. The choice is simple, up your wages or keep hiring crackheads that show up late if they show up at all. The free market doesn't care if you go bankrupt or not, quit asking for the perfect employee to be handed to you on a silver plate for minimum wage and pull yourself up by your bootstraps, boomer dipshit.

>>2453393
>be manager of a warehouse and need to hire a driver
>interview an older guy who seems awesome
>he sounds intelligent, has experience, clean driving record, and is willing to work for what we pay
>hire him and get him started
>notice that he seems a little bit...off.
>catch him standing around staring instead of loading his van
>have to constantly tell him what to do, once he finishes something he stands around confused until I give him something else to do
>one day point to a box, tell him to take the box and deliver it
>instead he loads a customer's pick-up order and drives it to another store
>Send him to pick up stuff at another store which should be about an hour round trip
>three hours later call and ask where he is
>he's at the completely wrong store two hours away
>call him in my office and bitch him out
>he acts OK for a week
>then one afternoon he backs his van into a concrete pylon in our lot and leaves it there running
>see it sitting there, where the fuck is he?
>his car is gone, he just left. Didn't clock out, nothing. Call and ask if he quit. He says no.
>call corporate and ask to fire him since he's still probationary
>HR says I have to give him another chance.
>Tell him to his face that he won't make it past probation and he should start looking for a job
>he comes in my office crying and telling me all about how his daughter is getting bullied at school
>ask him why he's telling me
>he doesn't know
>holy shit this guy is a loon
>he fucks up again of course and this time HR lets me fire him
>he appeals his firing to HR and tries to throw me under the bus
>my boss backs me up and HR denies his appeal
>fast-forward two years
>he's suing us for a workplace injury he claims be suffered
>he never filed a report of an injury
>the date he lists for the injury is a year after he got fired
>get a call from Home Depot
>he applied for a job and listed me as a reference
>gave him a glowing recommendation
>fuck 'em, he's their problem now.

>>2454623
>mfw people own a business which its survival relies on paying below market wages
>they cry from the mountaintops as they slowly bleed dry and close up shop.

Your competitors dont have an issue doing basic business, so why do you?

>>2453393
>be me, working at a union warehouse
>I am non-union manager who supervises union employees
>one day notice that a brand new pallet of expensive product that came in yesterday has been opened and some is missing
>check computer, we didn't sell or transfer any
>hmmm
>notify my boss
>few days later, notice more expensive product missing
>notify my boss again
>bosses all meet and decide to discreetly install security cameras on a Sunday when we're closed
>the union guys can't find out or they'll tip off the thief
>couple days pass, then suddenly more shit missing
>bosses check the cameras and see second shift union guy backing his Caddy up to the dock door and filling his trunk up
>they call the cops and show them the video
>cops get a search warrant and go to guy's house
>find over $10k in stolen merchandise in his living room and arrest him
>he confesses to the thefts and cuts a plea deal
>company fires him
>union sues the company on his behalf for wrongful termination
>they maintain that the cameras violated their union contract and shouldn't have been installed without telling the union guys
>the fucking balls on these guys
>they lose, he goes to jail.
>

>>2454633
Like I said
>never owned a business

>>2453393
Last one for now:
>managing a different warehouse
>place is four floors, I run the second floor
>warehouse is in a bad neighborhood and we are saddled with ghetto employees because the company gets a tax credit for each employee who lives within a few miles of the place
>also, every emergency exit is wired to an alarm that sounds if someone opens one (this is to keep people from propping a door open or sneaking anyone in or out)
>place is a mess because the locals put little or no effort into their work
>decide to come in a few hours early and get my area cleaned up
>I'm cleaning shelves when I hear someone come onto my floor
>nobody should be here except me and my boss and he never comes up here
>peek out from shelves
>see the culturally diverse young gentleman who works on the third floor
>he's looking around nervously
>watch as he grabs a couple thousand dollars in merch from my area and starts walking away
>step out and call his name
>he panics and runs for the stairwell
>he runs down and opens the emergency exit
>throws merch into his friend's car sitting there waiting
>he runs back upstairs to my area as everyone is chasing the alarm
>says to me "we cool dawg?"
>uhh, sure..,we cool
>he runs into bosses office, tells the secretary he was quitting, and then run down and out the main exit
>never see him again
>guy had worked there for two years and just flushed it all for a few g's worth of stuff.

>>2454041
It is still around. It gets scarier every year. This is half of the reason there is so many opioids in our wastewater. It was initially mdma, then it got tweaked then they switched tracks because China is the worlds synthetic opioid producer. So now they lace random plant material and Bed Bath and Body Works scents with a freaky concoction of opioids and whatever else.

>>2454641
>ugh! you just don't understand what it's like!
I understand perfectly well that you're a whiny little bitch who can't hack it in the business world and needs his diaper changed. Quit asking for handouts because nobody owes you anything, little bitch baby.

>>2454626

>$30 an hour
>quit asking for the perfect employee to be handed to you on a silver plate for minimum wage

Sorry Timmy, you have to be seven years old to post here.

>>2454620
>$30 an hour is nothing
How much do you think someone should get paid for mixing mortar? Fucking retard

>>2454643
They are like that. Be me, working 12hr days and couldn't keep my yard up.

>I had a kid doing yard work off and on for a year. He used my tools.
>He told me one day, I got enough money to buy a tablet and play cards so I don't want to work any more...
>Anyway, time passes, yard is a mess. Some random culturally enriched man came by and offered to do the job for twice the price. He had his own tools.
>OK, sure.
>He does an ok job. Not as good as the kid but whatever.
>He gets paid. He gave me hand written business cards. Asks me for references.
>Just a few weeks later. I am home sick. He busted my shed open and started loading my shit into his little S10.
>I came out and asked him "Hey what's up?" and he ran with my weed wacker in hand.
>Called cops, gave them the business card. Said it is a theft and I want it charged as such.
>Got all my tools back same day.
>Month later he shows up at my house and says "I can't get any work and you were always the nicest person to me. You think I could do one cleanup? I won't ever bug you again."
>I look at him straight with out raising my voice "Get the fuck outta here."

>>2454654
>>2454655
>boo hoo I can't find anybody to work for me!
>$30! I can't pay $30!
I am reminded of the beauty of the free market every time I hear one of you commie retards whine about having to pay competitive wages.
Nobody cares about your feelings, cupcakes, so I guess you better get to bootstrappin'

>>2454655
it's been a couple years, but last time i mixed stucco i got $20 an hour

>>2454657
People will think this story is fake, but having dealt with fucking retards like this myself I believe you 100%. I had a tenant skip out on owing me like $1200. 6 months later they used me as a reference at a payday loan place.

>>2454653
Lol I’m going to make ~300k this year. Lord willing. How much will you make selling Antifa flags on your Facebook group?

All
Capitalists
Are
Based

>>2454658
No, the problem is all the kids are soft and instead of getting $30 an hour being a mason's helper they would rather get $15 an hour at dunkin' donuts or some gay shit.

>>2454676
kids these days expect $17 an hour for washing dishes

>>2454669
Unironically the people making antifa merch are probably doing really well because most Democrats are actually capitalist consumers without realizing it. They'll buy all kinds of shit they think supports their ideas.

>>2454669
Wow, that's great. So why are you bitching and moaning about being unable to find employees again? It can't be because you're just larping on an anonymous basket weaving forum, can it?
>>2454676
>waaaahhhh boo hoo I can't attract any employees because they're soft! it's definitely not because the wages I'm offering aren't competitive!
Listen, little bitch, nobody cares about your sob story. Grow a pair.

>>2454059
Delta-8 does not get you high

>>2454297
So avoid everyone?

>>2454579
Masonry is hard job. My uncle is masonry man he get many death threats but never rape. Stay strong.

>>2454623
You can't expect people on /diy/ to understand anything related to employment. Most of them are 400 lb retards who come here to ask questions about how to use hangers they stole from their parents to mount shelves to the basement wall so they can display their funk o pops.

>>2454758
This. I do custom T-shirts and offer some faggot antifa stuff in limited runs and these idiots pay me $60 for a $10 shirt

>>2454824
It's a hard job but the pay is only going to get better once all the boomers retire. I'm the only white mason under the age of 45 in my town. There are a bunch of mexicans who do it but as a white guy I'm always going to have an advantage because not all clients want shifty mexicans in their backyard or on their jobsite.

>>2454833
Cope (with your failing business due to poor business decisions)

>>2454835
Based

>>2454835
What makes you think boomers retiring is going to help your wages?
You have no power to ask for more money, a Mexican is going to undercut you all day long, and your boss will be more than happy to oblige

>>2454631
This is why you document everything. I keep two files. One is genuine fuckups that should be tracked. The second is for relatively minor offenses that I'd ignore for an otherwise exemplary employee. If somebody pisses me off and needs firing, I merge the two files and send it to HR to show "a pattern of behavior". I keep pretty open communication with my employees so that we're always on the same page as far as expectations. By the time I fire somebody, we've already worked through other options, and I don't need HR second guessing me and making me do huggy feely exercises beyond what I've already done. I'm pretty happy with how this works. I've pulled some real dumbasses back from the brink and turned them into highly employable members of society.

>>2454840
There will be the same demand for work with less supply of people who can do the work.

>>2453696
Entirely accurate. I have to manage the cell contract at my company and every time we do upgrades all I hear is bitching from the sales team that they got the "bargain" free-with-plan iPhone and not the one that costs $1200. "But anon, the screen is so small!!!!"

>>2454636
>unions
Fuck 'em.

>be me
>work for a police agency
>fuckthepolicebutgoodmoney.webm
>have access to highly sensitive criminal records
>constantly getting training about proper use of data
>never, ever, even think about touching data without a specific law enforcement need or it's an instant firing
>be in IT and manage all of the data, see everything anyway
>get asked by the office supervisor to pull all of the access logs for a particular office worker
>apparently, she used her access to run a criminal history on her daughter's boyfriend
>kindofbased.exe
>for non union employees it would have been an instant firing
>office workers are apparently all part of SEIU
>it took two years to fire this bitch
>union lawyers tie it up with bullshit the whole time
>have to testify in hearings multiple times because they want to pick apart everything and cast doubt on the validity of the logs
>get a simultaneous "serious" talking to and lowkey attaboy for telling a union lawyer he's a fucking moron because he couldn't comprehend that a log printout was sorted in reverse order with newer entries at the top
>"why aren't these sorted properly, this data is misleading"
>kind of snap after being asked a dozen downy-grade questions in a row concerning ways the data could have been tampered with "because that would have been tampering with the data, you fucking moron"
>not actually a court room, so not that big of a deal
>later get high fives from all the cop bros

Fuck unions

>>2454850
>be me
>heavy trades guy, non-unionized
>don't qualify for bonuses for a year but do qualify for a raise after 6 months
>promised a big raise and big bonus next year because my work stats are head and shoulders above everyone else's
>months pass, continue being the star employee despite harsh work environment
>horrible stuffy office, no ac just a space heater, truck has tattle transponder for speeding and rough driving
>every minute is accounted for, every dollar wasted must be explained
>dog eat dog workplace, succeed and outperform anyways
>covid hits two months before raise
>ask about it
>promises restated
>happy, back to work
>two months pass
>get a letter on payday, no raise, chump
>ask the bossman wtf
>"yeah they froze everyone's wages"
>not yours, you said so yesterday
>"the employees I mean, not management, sorry bud"
>"also, no bonus at the end of this year, they froze that too"
>I could quit ya know
>"lol no you won't there's no jobs in the covid market"
>call HR, ask about what's on record for my contract
>"you don't have a contract"
>yeah I do I signed one
>"We don't have it. It was never filed if you did."
>I've been working off-book for six months, no rights and no timeline tracked towards benefits of any kind
>ask the bossman, wtf
>"uhh I don't know, sounds like HR lost it not my problem haw haw sorry bud"
>fine fuck you then
>google heavy tech, apply, get interview, hired
>quit
>"You can't quit"
>pretty sure I can, they matched your raise and they have bonuses, I also have no contract so I don't owe you any notice
>"We'll match the raise and reinstate your bonus."
>you said that was impossible
>"uh"
>I said I fucking quit
>new job, unionized
>probation for three months, then $8.50/h raise plus access to improved overtime, full benefits, employment contract is settled and solid, no transponder in truck, office has AC, raises guaranteed biannually based on performance metrics
>never have to fight like a dog for scraps again
fuck yeah unions

>>2454847
>There will be the same demand for work
doubtful, recalcitrant and entitled work forces that do the "look at me, I am the captain now" thing (often via unions) drive automation and offshoring of labor sourcing like nothing else.

>with less supply of people who can do the work.

"People who can do the work" falls into two basic categories- highly qualified experts with experience and pride in what they do, and people whose skills and work ethic range from that level down to "barely adequate" and "better than nothing".

When that kind of labor shortage exists as it often does as people with old school skills age out, what happens is that the remaing ones and those who learned those skills and work ethic can charge up the ass for thecwork where that level of expertise is needed, and people who dont want to pay those rates are incetivised to create and find alternatives.
Or they simply choose to do nothing when trying to find people who meet the "better than nothing" threshold becomes too risky.
Thats what these entitled mouthbreathers refuse to get...there's no law that says anyone in business has to pursue expansion that creates more jobs, or has to maintain current operational levels that keep people employed.
Lots of companies stay small to avoid dealing with employees, or hire family, or close shop and liquidate their assets, or invest in automation to minimize staffing needs...

thats always been an option and the more demanding and entitled and hostile workers become, the more employers choose those options.

so no, there will not necessarily be the same demand for work...been in a grocery store lately?
Cashiers used to make great compensation for the skills involved, but they decided they made the rules and demanded/bullied their way into a paradigm where those jobs have been largely taken over by machines.

>>2453974
This the type of shit that would make me go slash their company tires and break windows constantly to the point they have to actually do something about it. Following people home is t that hard to do.

>>2454868
Unions had their place. Now all they do is destroy companies and drive jobs overseas. Every union worker I've ever known has been lazy and stupid. I don't know you, but I know your work ethic simply by knowing that you're in a union.

>>2454883
>or close shop and liquidate their assets
There was a local lumber yard here that did that. They were in business for over 30 years and had three locations. When the owners wanted to retire, they sold out, but refused to sell the name. They said that they would rather that their good name simply disappear than have to worry about anything that happened later. Sure enough, the company was out of business 2 years later because the new owners were morons.

>>2454850, yea they don't kid around....
Been playing the game at the same company for over 30 years; y'all can kiss my ass. Grunt, supervisor, now boss 10+ I think I could write a book basically drunks, liars, attention whores, cry babies, you can't touch me. I like to equate problems to like riding a bull or a bucking horse; you stroke their side, pat their back put the saddle on, strap it down tight (make sure they feel it) put your chaps, spurs and gloves on. Smack your hands on your thighs, jingle your spurs and climb on the critters back. Slip the rein around nice and tight, smack your heels on their belly, rub their neck, nod for the gate then drive the spurs in deep, fling the gate open and go for a ride. Sometimes you get bucked off but you sure as hell better brush yourself off and ride that SOB again

>>2454636
What a fucking nigger, whatever race he is.

>>2453974

>boss was a cunt.
>had baby and they paid maternity leave, which may be mandated or even government subsidized depending on country, state, etc
>battled with her self about going back to work after having a child, hate the boss, but I’m good at what I do…
>fuck it, I’m gonna stay in the industry, start my own business.
>cya later cunt boss.

go on to have a fulfilling life running a small business, not obligated to work for someone because the paid me a mandated maternity leave payment for a month or two.

>>2454679

>>2455063
Boss was actually very chill. Everyone worked from home. Zero micromanaging. Paid a really good base salary and generous bonuses. He’s probably the smartest guy I’ve ever worked for.

She worked for herself for 10 years and ultimately failed. Currently working for another company.

Eat shit and die faggot.

>>2455063
Also we are in a state that doesn’t require maternity leave. He paid her out of the kindness of his heart because that’s how good of a person he is.

>>2454811
I’m not bitching about not being able to find employees. I’m bitching about the dipshit who worked for me eventually getting addicted to drugs.

Your reading comprehension skills are lacking. That’s probably part of the reason you make peanuts and hate the world.

>>2455077
did they die?

>>2455091
Cope and seethe. I run a $2 million construction business.
Also, you responded to me chewing out an anon for bitching about being unable to find employees and now you're whining about reading comprehension. Look in a fucking mirror, dumb fuck. If the topic doesn't apply to you then don't jump into the conversation.

>>2455138
You’re literally retarded. You replied to my comment about selling Antifa flags.

I noticed you said you “run” a construction business. Getting coffee and answering phones for the owner isn’t “running” it.

>>2455173
That comment about selling antifa flags was a reply to me.
And I run it because I own it, dummy, but thanks for the insight into what your problem is. You're a lazy chucklefuck who doesn't want to lift a finger and run your business.
No wonder you can't help but hire unreliable crackheads.

>>2455085
>She worked for herself for 10 years
not bad actually. most new companies fail after just two years.

>>2455010
>>>/facebook/ is thataway boomer

>>2454679
If you find yourself unable to hire a dishwasher for less than $17 an hour, then it's not "kids these days" it's the free market working as intended.

>>2455757
Retarded take. *Exceptionally* retarded take.

>>2454850
Pretty sure criminal background checks are not a crime mate
In fact Employers do them all the time...

>>2455757
Dish washing sucks, so many chemicals and other bullshit, I sure as shit wouldn't do it full stop, nevermind 17 bucks an hour

>>2454840
>But the undercutters!
Oh, you mean the people who help me get back to that same site so I can charge double to clean up the disaster they left and actually do my job after that?
Yeah, hate those dastardly undercutting Mexicans, giving me way more money and customers that will now never trust an undercutter again.
Oh the humanity.

>>2454842
smart

>>2453475
Holy Shit!

>>2454834
Fuckin' kek.
I work for my friend's t-shirt company. I'll have to tell him to get in on that grift.

>>2454868
Generally I despise unions as a matter of principle, but I can respect joining a union out of pragmatism, especially if your former employers were dicks.

>>2455808
It's a misuse of resources and internal information that wouldn't get out in an official channels check.

If someone works for Google can they just browse your email because people get subpoenas all the time?

>>2455945
Your criminal history, open warrants, ongoing court cases, etc, are all public

>>2455982
besides the fact thst the anecdote was about a woman vetting her kids boyfriend using a law enforcement database with privileged/ restricted access and not a job applicant....

in some places there are pretty strict rules concerning what kinds of records/ histories can even be considered when making hiring decisions, regardless of whether or not they are public. And even if an applicant is rejected based on a record that is allowed to be considered, in many cases they have to be notified of that fact and given the opportunity to dispute/correct that record, since so many public records are erroneous, out of date, missing, etc.
Same goes for background checking of financial records used in vetting applications for rental housing.
Not saying it's good or bad, just pointing out that a record- even criminal records- being public doesnt mean they are automatically OK to use in justifying hiring decisions...in many cases doing that is expressly prohibited by law.

"A “ban the box” law is a criminal background check law that prohibits employers from requesting a potential employee’s criminal history on a job application in certain states and localities. Some laws forbid a company from asking if the candidate was ever sentenced for a crime until a specific time in the hiring process, such as during an interview or after a conditional offer of employment."

https://www.paycor.com/resource-center/articles/ban-the-box-state-by-state/

>>2455996
I dont live in negro loving America mate

>>2455768
if it's not bait, the point you have yet to realize is that small businesses aren't market makers, they are subject to the same ruthless change that employees are. you can't change the lowest allowable salary for an entire demographic as the owner of a pissant little landscaping company. Google can hardly even affect that change
the free market can fuck your ass (and seems to be on the verge of it) just as easily as it can fuck a broke zoomer's ass

this is like expecting to change the highest bid for a blue-chip stock (since low-wage jobs are the highest volume) by putting 5 shares of it at higher-than-current asking price. no one gives a fuck when that stock trades in 100 million volume a day lol

>>2453916
how to manage people

>>2453393
I used to work with this one guy, fat guy, doing a moving business as my gig worker/employee. Sometimes he was all right but he had a lot of something in his heart. A bit of negativity. Eventually I have to doing a really long job the guy spits out the window in a really nice community and I tell him not to spit out the window. And then he believes the best thing for himself to do is to yell at me in my truck as I'm dropping him off. Until I get so frustrated I pull over on the highway and start yelling at him back. Until he goes ahead and threatens to flip my truck or whatever that means. Basically I don't actually have to drop this piece of s*** off anywhere near his home because he doesn't have transportation or a license. But I say something to calm this ape. Drop off . Pay him his money and find somebody else to do the work with. A month later he text me how he realizes I cut him off over a "small dispute."

Lol why the fuck would I work with a psyco that threatens me, the business owner, because I told him to not spit on people's lawns.

Glad I don't work with apes like that anymore.

>>2454868
Not to mention, if they want to fire a worthless shit bag I wouldn't let it happen without documentation and progressive discipline. The administrators have jobs too and if they aren't correctly handling disciplinary action both the administrator and the shit worker should be under fire. Rot starts at the base of the tree, shitty administrators need to be rooted out. Good administrators do the work, they take every step necessary to train good working habits in labor. And they help cut the shit out faster by simply following procedures.

>t. former union stewart

>>2456018
>the free market can fuck your ass (and seems to be on the verge of it)

There is no "free market" when it comes to labor and employment, a truly free market wouldn't have minimum wage laws and closed shops.
You don't get to have it both ways, if you want businesses to live/ die by the free market then people seeking employment need to as well.
It's pretty hilarious that people have no problem with the idea of labor rejecting $20-30 hr and champion free market ideals when it happens, but scream bloody murder at the idea that someone might offer less than some codified minimum wage as if allowing that would *force* people to take it rather than just rejecting it and letting the market sort it out.
Same goes for unions- in a truly free market they'd have to offer something that caused people to *voluntarily* affiliate with them, and not get any money from anyone but their members.

>>2456125
>rot starts at the base of the tree
>and I the union will build an iron clad wall around it

Police your own members. You don't need to let every piece of shit in.

Spice like dune xddddd

>>2455063
>a fucking redditor

>>2453741
Retard

Employee fag here.

>Roofing company hires me spot on without an interview or relevant job experience
>Not given any details until boss picks me up from home
>Early in the morning boss drives me and another guy out of town to secluded location, company HQ is a hamlet with a large metal/auto shop and an adjacent storage shed
>Millions of dollars worth of vehicles, NFL/sports merchandise, and custom built estate on the property
>Most employees are high school dropouts, schizoids, and drug addicts (meanwhile I am a rampant racist)
>The CEO is an ex police sergeant with a police scanner
>Strangest company I ever worked for. Fired me after 2 days for no apparent reason and only payed me for my work when I threated to sue them.

I wanted to sue but the government probably ignored my case over $250 dollars. I'm back working 6 days a week as a line cook.

>>2456295
>I wanted to sue but the government probably ignored my case over $250 dollars
that's what small claims court is for

>>2456297
My 'lawyer' never contacted me back after I submitted a request. Welcome to Canada.

>>2456299
you don't need a lawyer to go to small claims court.

>>2453475
his prescience levels are over 9000%!!

>>2456148
>t. butthurt faggot who can't believe his employees don't pay him for the pleasure of working

>>2454657
You relaxed.

>>2453393
>be me
>new employee in regional office of state dept. of transportation
>first boss: 80-year-old Indian guy
>he barely does any work; everything is handled by his boss
>he retires
>second boss: 60-year-old white woman
>pretty competent (was the boss of my first boss)
>she retires
>third boss: 30-year-old white woman
>super competent, but vegan and owner of two pit bulls (yjk)
>due to the shortage of bigwigs, some new people get sent to us from the central office
>she resigns due to disgruntlement with perceived micromanaging of our regional office by the central office
>fourth boss: 30-year-old Vietnamese guy
>reasonably competent, but doesn't speak good English
>four bosses in five and a half years
The constant turnover is just a little disconcerting.

>>2457364
When a long term employee retires it can take a little while to find a replacement that'll stick.

>>2457364
>The constant turnover is just a little disconcerting.

Use your insights to exploit it to your advantage. The point of government employment is secure retirement just like the point of other careers. That is all so cover your ass and seek advantage.

>>2454308
Have done the same. Hired a guy in "recovery" who was actually actively using and dealing. Verbally abused him for a while about his shit work ethic and poor quality. Finally fired him. He relapsed and lives with him mother in a trailer. He's 37 yrs old. Not like he was going anywhere before I hired him but I feel bad for calling him a cracked out spaghetti nigger.

>>2458327
You can’t throw all the starfish back in the ocean.

>>2453916
Or maybe some people just ain't worth a fuck. As an adult you be able to manage yourself. Go fuck off child.

>>2454088
Kratom doesn't show up on drug tests. You have to test specifically for it.

>>2458378
No I was referencing the spice. He thought it wouldn’t show up on tests. But in addition to that he did kratom daily.

>>2454676
That's funny, I'm sure if you were getting paid today what you got paid 30 years ago, you'd be making 50$ an hour

>>2453696
>>2453924
>>2454849
>Management decide everybody needs iPhones because "muh Apple!"
>Can't have plebs think they are worth more than them though
>SE for the plebs
>Top of the line for management
>Every fucking one and their mother keeps complaining about practically everything in an attempt to get better (more expensive = status!) models
I fucking hate NPCs and their statussymbols.

>>2454579
Maybe try offering $40/h? Stop being jewish

>>2453916
I think the biggest issue is not firing people quickly enough. If someone isn't a good fit you need to get them the fuck out of there. People who complain and moan, don't do their work, or fuck shit up. It isn't limited to them. It spreads. Its a contagion that you need to contain and eradicate, but that would mean having to pay more money to attract people to the job who would fit and would want to stay and achieve a common goal, and bean counters loathe that.
The fall of Rome started with roman soldiers not wanting to practice march with their shields. In that idea, if you let things slide, it lowers the expectation and its even harder to rebuild systems and expectations that it is to just maintain them. If an employee sits on their ass looking at their phone, others see that and think its okay, and then just 1 problem employee becomes all of them.

>>2453393
>Working as engineer in small (~15 person) office for a large company
>take part in interview process for new engineer
>~30 year old middle eastern engineer
>sociable and friendly
>just moved to the US
>two degrees from various institutions in his home country
>”you’re hired”
>starts the job, guy has a hard time picking up the job
>wait he is having a very hard time picking up the job
>Spend an hour training him on a certain project tracker sheet and the guy is very impressed and asks if our office developed microsoft excel in order to make this tracker or if our main corporate office coded it
>The guy is useless, tell him to cut a bunch of samples to 200mm to send to a customer
>He cuts the samples just to random lengths varying from 100-300mm, all different sizes.
>What the fuck?
>Literally does not reply to any emails even if they are directly addressed to him
>When he does write, writes in maybe 3rd grade english

>boss fires him after 2 weeks
>hear from my boss later that hes filing a discrimination lawsuit
>our massive legal team from HQ takes some statements from us in the office and we never hear about it again

I still can’t decide what the fuck was this guy’s deal. He seemed very bright and fluent in english when you talked to him in person. Some of his fuckups were so bad its hard to imagine he could have understood what we were saying at all.
>Can only speak good english and has 1/10 ability to understand spoken english and written english?
>Lied about his past degrees in his home country?
>Just a plain idiot?

>>2458508
You divided them, and then were surprised when they complained about the division

>>2454655
At least $40/hr

>>2454868

yeah, unions can be excellent. It really all depends on the local of course, and industry does play into it, but unions can be good and bad.

>>2454955

unions are fighting a losing battle in a lot of industries. Kellogg's union is strong but for a moment, as every worker's job slowly gets replaced by machines or shipped to Mexico.

>>2456125
>>2454955

The rot goes all the way down, and all the way up. Stewards work with what they have, and companies do what they can. We can't fight the decline of America but everybody will try tooth and nail to eke out some piece of the remaining pie.

>be me
>europoor
>currently deal with health issues
>get a job at a small and shady home renovation business
>boss is "ex" criminal and former convict faggot
>agree for a shitty pay according to the collective labor agreement
>the shit pay obligates me to do only assisting work according to the collective labor agreement
>boss doesn't care
>makes me do way too much for that shit pay because he realizes im good at what i do
>fast forward a month
>health issues got the better of me
>go to doctor to get sick leave right before pay day
>pay day
>faggot boss didn't pay me anything
>i call boss to ask what the fuck
>gives shitty excuses and tries to put blame on me
>call the labor union
>labor union tells faggot boss to pay me instantly if he doesn't want to go to court
>get paid
>quit the job over text message because faggot boss stopped answering phone calls

>>2453777
You didn't have to kill them man.

>>2460439
What "decline" and in what alternate universe are normal average humans not garbage? Society evolved beyond normie ability to understand so they specialize, like bees or ants.

>>2460537
^THIS is why we have collective bargaining.

>>2454579
What area? If it’s a city I understand why they don’t come. If it’s rural then you may have a bad reputation as a boss/business

>>2460334
degree mills maybe

>>2453909
>I'm surprised that stuff is still allowed
aren't they doing some bullshit where every time it gets banned they alter the ratios a smidge and keep selling it?

>>2454850
Everything you did was paid company time. Now explain why you're so butthurt about it.

>>2454820
Delta 9 does.

>>2461441
Pretty much yes. And no one knows what the end result could be. It might fry your brain like meth. I’ve seen more than one person develop psychosis from it. Even they admitted it.

>>2454849
The only thing worse than sales people, are CEOs who used to be in sales.

>>2454850
Yeah police unions are the fucking worst. They should break those up

>>2454657
Why would you ever let talking dirt chimps on your yard? And yes I believe you, I’ve had enough conversations with sub human childless leftcucks to know how hard they try to replace their lack of family with the sun sun human races of retard children.

>>2454669
I am interested, what are you doing to make such great money?

>>2455998
You have no idea how much we love our negro retards. They are our meaning and purpose, our pride and joy. We love nignogs almost as much as we love our precious jews, truly, Satan’s chosen psychopaths (but the GOOD kind!). All my sons have died serving Israel and my only daughter had a negro rape baby before she was mauled to death by Typhoidus Jackson, her BBC lover. All my children are dead, my country and future age destroyed but it was all worth it because I have my precious 62 IQ racial abomination retard Loquishia Jackson. She is 8 years old now with the intellect of an infant. She weighs over 200 lb. I think she pregnant too, gunna be a great-great-grand nigga!!1

>>2458327
You should Liquid Nails their doors and windows shut then douce them is gasoline and burn them to the ground in their trailer. This is the most humane thing to do.

>>2460334
Semites live and die by lying. That’s all the know. Semites are actually worse than niggers because unlike niggers they and jew themselves into positions of power in order to unleash mass immigration, racialize pornography, infinite wars etc on their host people.

>>2461906
that sounds illegal

>>2462077
you sound illegal, anon. you sound illegal

>>2454631
>>he applied for a job and listed me as a reference
>>gave him a glowing recommendation
>>fuck 'em, he's their problem now.

>>2461906

>>2461900
>t. kissless virgin who lives in his mother's basement

>start job from hiring company
>get paid $5/hr less because hiring company takes $5/hr cut
>job is at a trucking company
>dispatch
>filling in for a maternity leave
>customer service
>learn it and at own desk in 3 days
>requires communication with 12+ other employees I have not yet met.
>they all know each other and what regions they manage.
>they just yell out to one another in a loud yelling match of a work.
>I tempt the yelling thing and feel retarded
>no answers from names I call out.
>no internal messaging system so I use email.
>no one answers emails.
>trainer asks what is wrong I explain and she tells me that I'll get use to the environment.
>week goes by
>trainer gets impatient because she is covering the work I am unable to get done.
>I take a sick day.
>decide job isn't for me and just quit.
It's amazing how dysfunctional some operations are.
Taking over a week to accumulate to a new employee that learned the job in 2 days.
I bet covid hit them hard being an open bullpen style environment.
Oh well was only like $10/hr for 6 months then $15 and I had to drive an hour everyday.

>>2462956
>Oh well was only like $10/hr for 6 months then $15 and I had to drive an hour everyday.
The hiring company took a third of your paycheck?

>>2453393
Shouldn't be too long till your opiod pandemic sweeps over to europe. The social conditions are optimal for that. People are equally depressed and everything is going downhill for the middle class white man.

>>2455887
>week old post
>fuck it
Hah, same shit when Geek Squad came out. Got more side work than ever before in IT because those morons break everything they touch and they are also part of InfraGard and will go through your files. Whenever anyone balks at my ridiculous hourly rate, I tell them they can always take the problem to Geek Squad if price is an issue. The look of abject horror on their face is priceless.

>>2454127
kys

>>2460334
>asks if our office developed microsoft excel in order to make this tracker or if our main corporate office coded it
I dont want to believe anyone is that dumb, maybe he meant some of the macros in the sheet or something?

>>2453654
It's a fucking phone. If it makes and receives calls, what's the issue?

>>2464011
Doing call center work without a headset is retarded and probably against OSHA, but it's inefficient either way.

>>2460334
>collective labor agreement
Swede?

>>2463970
oh trust me there are retards that make you wonder how they made it past childhood without sticking a fork in the wall outlet

>>2464146
>there are retards that make you wonder how they made it past childhood without sticking a fork in the wall outlet
Retard here I did stick a fork in an outlet during childhood.

>>2455134
We can only hope so

>>2464154
when i was in jr high, we used to fold up gum wrappers and stick them into the outlets, the foil would blow off the ends in a satisfying pop.
one day a not so bright fella stuck a paper clip in to see what would happen, he got a severe burn on his hand and that particular bank of outlets didn't work the rest of the 3 years i was there

Just a list of stories, all about one dude.

>I work with someone known as "Dumbfuck"
>Dumbfuck has a forklift cert
>Dumbfuck has lost it several times and still has it somehow
>Dumbfuck has hit: pipes, racking, doors, endless amounts of merchandise, other forklifts
>Hit one so badly that the fucking wheel axle broke
>Has worn out brakes in multiple lifts just by driving with the parking brake on
>Has flooded half the warehouse 3 separate times by hitting pipes, so he's flooded the warehouse fully 1.5 times
>Has damaged 2+ delivery vehicles
>Boss told me he was sent to another warehouse today
>Good riddance

>>2464011
>It's a fucking chair. If it's a bare wooden stool you have to sit on for 8 hours, what's the issue?

>>2454676
Honest advice, if you want the zoomer (meaning: cheap) demographic your business will have to use twitter and tik tok advertising your wages (which seem high if you're really hiring anyone who shows up)

>>2456148
Oh yes, such a shame we have a minimum wage, such a detriment to the labor market

>>2454380
Small businesses can't compete on pricing, so they get raped if they raise wages and widen margins. Can't compete with chains if you can't price product competitively. It's sad but true.

>>2464335
If a business cannot competitively supply demand then it should not exist

>>2464341
Fair enough, I agree. It just sucks that you have to either work for a massive soulless monopoly with little ability to make an impact, or you have to work for a small business that can't pay you enough.

But thats overly pessimistic too. I've worked labor jobs at smaller companies that paid okay. Just depends on the industry.

>>2464353
There will always be small-medium businesses offering unique value compared to large suppliers. Whether it be credit unions undercutting major banks, or a four-man IT startup offering a new product.

>>2453974
that's women for ya brother. no sense of loyalty or honor among their kind

would you fellas hire a it nerd with no previous experience on using basic tools? just dont bully me and make me cry and i'll be fine

>>2462889
You've never been to the south have you

>>2461900
Freedumb, Liber-Tee and Burger for all!

>>2460045
I think this has some truth to it desu.

>>2461159
I'm amazed how far we can kick the can once SHTF for real.

>>2464396
Yes if you show up on time.

>>2464440
is something like that actually a problem with employees? seems like the most basic thing to do

>>2464459
These are jobs generally filled by drug addicts, ex cons, dumb apprentices, and other people with little-to-no prospects.

>>2455996
"Yes sir I've never raped anyone now please let me work with your sixteen year old employees alone on overnight shifts"

>>2454579
It is pretty backbreaking shit. Most zoomers would rather pour coffee and hit on chicks at the local coffee shop than sweat in the dirt and sun with a bunch of smelly dudes.
Former Stair-builder/installer current Machine Operator and entrepreneur, I got out of a lucrative career path because the work was pretty rough on the body and my boss who was 47 moved like a 70 year old and was always in pain. Now I make more in 4 x 11 hour shifts with a couple over time hours and I have energy and time for exercise and family. Construction and some of the heavier trades are too rough on the body for anyone who's health conscious, I notice most of the guys killing themselves in the trades also kill themselves via cigarettes and other self destructive habits.

>be an electrician
>Need to add some outlet or something at a auto shop for some equipment (it was a long time ago)
>Need to move some tire mounting equipment so I can get to a box behind it
>Ask one of the guys who works there if he can move it with the forklift
>He says ok
>Gets fork lift
>Immediately picks up machine and rips it off the wall without disconnecting anything destroying the air pipes that were connected to it
>Everyone is freaking out
>I'm in disbelief
>They blame me for asking him to do something

>>2456148
Collective action is fragile. If 99% of employees won't take a dollar an hour, but 1% will, and 1% is enough people to scrape by, then nobody will make more than a dollar an hour. All collective actions are doomed to fail because some idiot or sociopath will break ranks and fuck everyone else over. This is why the right will never win - a few selfish boomers wanting to win "respectable" points collapse everything for everyone else by collaborating with their opponents. Only force can cause change, and force is ultimately what a government is for.

>>2464475
Nerdy Anon will be eaten alive.

>>2464589
No amount of pay is worth being basically a cripple for the rest of your life.
>most of the guys killing themselves in the trades also kill themselves via cigarettes and other self destructive habits.
Self-medication.

>>2464642
>1% is enough people to scrape by
That's one hell of a business that can make do with 1% of its workforce
But yes I get the gist

>>2453654
I wasn't running a call center, they got Nokia 6210, same phone I had. Yes this was a long time ago.

>>2464964
Alright you're fucking retarded though. Those are dumb fucking phones for call center people. Cellphone calls sound like shit. You needed pots lines with headsets

>>2464966
>you're fucking retarded though
Literally started my first post saying it was my fault for being retarded. You are not insulting me by saying that. I got good in years to follow.
I was planning on being ahead and setting up work from home once we get into the groove. Which never happened in the end. Went to my provider and asked them for whatever nice but not fashion-nice phones they had. In 2009 that was it.
I was expecting everyone to walk in with the same work ethic I had. But really why should they? It wasn't their business. Oh well, learned more in those few months than years of higher education.

>>2464973
>higher education
Lol, lmao

>>2455188
Sounds like the typical "We're like family" southern boss

>>2455077
Kek nice strawman buddy

>>2454631
>>>get a call from Home Depot
>>he applied for a job and listed me as a reference
>>gave him a glowing recommendation
>>fuck 'em, he's their problem now.
That's what that corporate hellhole deserves

>>2464255
Explain how not having a good enough phone causes pain.

>>2465167
Do you think they give people headsets in call centres as a joke? Ergonomics.

>>2465167
It's pretty obvious if you've ever spent a while talking to anyone on the phone. Holding a phone up to your head is not very ergonomic.

You could get a headset for anything, but then you're still using a cell phone which sounds like shit because they use much higher compression and even with a good signal you'll drop packets fairly often.

Real telephone lines sound much better than a cell call. T1 lines also sound like perfect phone lines and are more reliable and might be cheaper depending how many people are in your call center.

>>2461159

bub idk if you know this or not but America's quality of life, demographic boomerbust pyramid, slowly reducing farming yields combined w/ a very shaky fertilizer dependent system, manufacturing base, and purchasing power has been on the decline for a minute now. Importing unskilled third worlders at the same time as automating in 4th industrial revolution manner spells really, really hard times whenever this shit finally does fucking bust.

Think about the difference between the Great Depression and now. For one, do most people even know any farmers? Or understand where food comes from? Or how to do things? We have a majorly white collar workforce who essentially don't really produce.

Do you see this working out? Do you really see this US of A surviving to the end of the 2040's? I'm not enthusiastic about collapse but the further we push it, the worse it will be. I'm not exactly hopeful for this country

>>2455044
>cadillac
probably just a coincidence!

>>2460334
In school I was friends with an Indian guy who trained like hell for interviewing and I worked with a Chinese guy who had that attitude, too. It's not hard to imagine someone taking interviewing so seriously that they take classes on how to write a resume and what to say in an interview despite being actually useless and worthless on the job.

>>2461160
so that diseased unskilled laborers who work part time as assistants can do a half-assed job?
what a victory!

>>2464251
wtf, I love unions now

>>2467705
There's a named "law" for this kind of perverse incentive.

>>2454669
All that money never gonna fix that small dicked mindset that urges you to compare to other people no matter how well your situation could be, pissy pants

Actually you could probably get decent therapy with that kinda money and then stop being a bitch

>>2454824
I'm pissed everyone missed this joke.

Good shit anon.

>>2456300
I hear Canada's legal system is ass

>>2454824
>>2467741
lel

>>2453765
delta8 still shows up on drug tests as THC so its pretty much useless

>>2464011
You vastly overestimate the functionality of modern phone systems. I dont know about the small business pitfalls, but in the 12000 employee Corp I'm in the phones have not entirely been able to call out or receive reliably ever since they switched over to teams phones. They were for a few months randomly deauthing themselves every 3 weeks or so. Something to do with their time desyncing with the server where they're supposed to receive time settings from. Except they dont. Sound quality is atrocious, making it nigh impossible to discern anyone who is in a noisy situation or has an accent. A month ago there was a week where all external calls were just completely silent. Oh, and from when you pick up the phone till when you are connected and talking takes literally 8 seconds.
Luckily I mostly dont need them myself, and on the rare occasions when I do I'm far more preoccupied by the ongoing fact that the Dept of Revenue's phone system is also never working when I need to call them. Literally 5 years of their phones not connecting properly or switching numbers or whatever. We have a half dozen contact sheets for them, not that any of them help when theres an emergency that requires us calling them. Three times we've gotten them to provide a general purpose number for us to use to get whoever is present, 2 of those numbers literally never worked, 1 worked for about a month.
Fucking punchline of it all is there is one connection that has never once failed or been problematic the entire time: The fax line. The fax line has been perfectly reliable for us and for the DoR the whole time.

>>2453663
This.

>>2453475

>>2453475
based beef sweller

>>2454820
>>2461560
>just passed over delta 9 for delta 8
damn. how bad did I fuck up? i just want weed mailed to my house. fuck it, i will build a space bucket.

>>2468515
I worked at a place that had shortel/mytel. That shit was awful. The software was buggy and weird as hell. The phones were constantly locking up and, because of the passthrough, it would take out your computer's network connection. The only redeeming feature was that it let you disable voicemail. My life got a lot better after that.

> be 17yo me
> work at grocery store in rundown area
> recycling center attendant
> we hire early 20s vet that got discharged
> dude is a little off. a decent worker, usually showed up on time but he just had lifeless eyes and a generally apathetic persona
> smoked 3 packs a shift
> would buy a gallon jug of water every shift and drink it
> eventually got moved to produce and then quit 3 months later

several years later
> woman goes missing in the area
> last seen with ex coworker
> body found, strangled to death
> ex coworker convicted of murder, was allegedly on bath salts when he killed her

>>2469422
>>would buy a gallon jug of water every shift and drink it
Based. Water is good for you.

>>2469437
>>2469422
Honestly idk what's wierd about that. Weird to me is people that buy the pint or whatever for 3 dollars when the gallon is sitting right there for 1 dollar. I also buy a gallon a day at least for work. Weekends I can go through 2 in a day but that's because Im hungover

>>2469437
>>2469989
hey did you guys know that you can get water for free? from a tap? put it through one of those filter jugs if you're paranoid.

>>2470031
I'm not bringing a filter to a machine/mechanic shop. It will break in moments. Plus I said gallon of water. I'm not taking the time to wait for that.
As a mechanic shop, the sinks are not clean. They're covered in greases and chemicals I don't understand like battery acid, brake cleaner, mineral spirits, kerosene, various car fluids and whatever I'm not gonna list it all. I'm not drinking from that when I can just buy a water for a dollar.

>>2470049
If you can't use the bathroom tap (e.g. too small to get a bottle under it), and you don't have a seperate kitchen-only sink, then I concede. I was more talking about the guy in the grocery store, which I'd expect to have clean basins.

>>2470059
Bathroom tap is the same. But youre missing my point anyway. You don't know why he's purchased the water every day. I have my reasons that make it logical for me. He probably does as well we don't know. So it's not wierd it's just a simple description but not an interesting one. My question would be why he did not drink from the faucet but I'd never ask because there are too many people that don't so fuck em. Don't care.
What is fucking wierd is people that choose not to drink from the faucet generally knowingly choose to purchase the smaller bottle stacked in the same fridge, for more money than the gallon. Those people are definitely mentally sick.

>>2453654
Small business owners aren't the problem. You are, you fucking idiot.

>>2453478
Lmao, every time.

I'm in high end sales, and have done independent business consulting. I've always told everyone ... you can ignore sales, or underpay your salespeople, or maintain cheap ones, for precisely as long as it takes you to run out of money.

>>2470159
You're a glorified cashier

>>2470210
Cashiers are smart enough to know they produce nothing. Salesmen are the lowest form of human

>>2470212
>Salesmen are the lowest form of human
nothing is lower than a politician

>>2470216
Politicians are salesmen anymore. So I ahree

>>2454620
>>2454623
And what angers me the most is how small business owners and employees will blame each other
>cant live on this pay!
>cant pay that much and stay in business!
while the bankers, subsidized corporations, and politicians count their millions in stolen money.

inflation = theft. We're all getting screwed here.

Hired a buddy who I went to trade school with. fricken nightmare. He had only ever worked for family before so never had a real job and never had his ass kicked. Kept making mistakes costing thousands, kept rescheduling jobs behind my back and then going home to play video games with his phone turned off. Refused to learn. Kept pleading poor and whining about not having money even though he was on a way higher than average wage and he refused to do overtime, ever.

Lesson learned: if you are busy enough that you think you need an employee, start saying no to the jobs you hate doing and start charging more for the one you do!

So much less stressed now he is gone.

>>2453393
I got two. One from when I was management, one from when I was training people. Different companies

>working as a bar manager
>been with big food restaurant company for under a year
>promoted to bar manager/assistant manager for restaurant
>need to hire a replacement for my bar job
>friend I have known for years is unemployed
>we interview and it's kept in company guidelines but he does make the cut
>from day one utter nightmare
>treats everything as I'm management so he is management
>1 month in he's turning up late, taking too many breaks, telling the kitchen I agreed for him to have food for free, straight up leaving work when it's busy because "he shouldn't have to deal with that many people"
>I get called in by manager, anon, I know he's your friend but he needs to go
> thank fuck, 100% behind getting him out so I can get my bar back in order
> manager Suprised
>has another suprise, shows me footage of him stealing a bottle of spirits from stock.
>oh fuck me as if the cunt was that fucking dumb
>pull him in before his next shift, sit him down, sorry anon you haven't passed probation were letting you go.
>makes his displeasure of hearing this news known verbally to me, the other staff and all the customers on the way out.
>about as well as I expected.jpeg
>an hour later his mom turns up demanding to speak to me
>known her over a decade, this won't be plesant
>manager gives me a look of, your friend your problem.
>take her to the office and let her pour it out. A lot of rage, no suprise dipshit of a friend didn't tell her why he hadn't passed probation.
>pull up his record, show her the shitshow of his work ethic, show her footage of him stealing. We aren't pressing charges but we could and that's my final bit of ass I'm willing to cover.
>she goes through a bunch of emotions over the 20 minutes. Now back at rage.

1/?

>>2470249
>I pay for her to have some food and tell her ill visit before Xmas
>finish work to a rant vmail from friend, his mom went home and gave him hell. If he doesn't have a job by end of the next month then he's out.
>not my problem.gif
>last I heard his mom did kick him out and no ones heard from him for years.

You just had to pull pints anon you dumb fuck.
I do miss that job sometimes, the staff were nice the customers were good and the food and drinks were decent, we made a steady profit and I had a great 2 years there.

>working as a trainer for newbies in a banks financial crime investigations department.
>difficult but fun work, every day is different
>Bank tends to hire a lot of call center folks and promote internally. Rarely get outside jobs.
>one such call staff makes the cut and gets a job with us.
> really nice made but after 30 minutes I can tell we made a mistake
>an hour in I ask him if he needs to get his glasses to read the screen
>my parents say I don't need glasses
>the fuck.bmp
>dudes in his late 20s. This will be worse than I thought.
>he gets every case wrong, cant even play spot the difference on the most basic work.
>he's failing training hard but we can't get rid of him because of company policies about how training works.
>drops he is a union member 1 month in
>ffs. Fuckers in the same union as me. I'm actually his union rep.
>he gets strongly convinced to look for another job, all he ever did was talk about construction
>parents don't want that for him, banks make money.
>make a life choice for yourself.xls
>asks me one day how to quit. Tell him about a letter of resignation.
>comes back 2 days later with a 16 page printed both sides letter of resignation.
>I can't cope.docx
2/?

>>2470249
>>2470257
>someone told him how to write one "put that you are leaving, any relevant reasons you think are important and name people you want to thank for support"
>everyone he had ever spoke to in the business got a minimum of a paragraph. I got over a page detailing everything I had ever done for him in his eyes. Including that one time I got him lunch.
>how do you remember all this shit but not your log in passwords???
>comes in final day high and smelling of alcohol
>totally a devote Muslim.halal
>find out he did get a apprenticeship in construction. Failed it after a few months because he didn't unstand bricks are heavy and cement needed to be wet to build walls.
>bounced around a few other companies and agencies but never seems to last long.
>somehow, somehow re gets a job in the banks call center.
>sits opposite me from in the canteen
>ghost from my past.spooky
>tells me about his last 3 years
>says he's glad to be back and looking forward to trying to get back into financial crime department.
> I finish my food and steal his old manager so we can scream together for a while.
>manager makes it clear that as long as she is a manager in that department he will never be able to come back. Long was the shadow he casted of fixing his fuck ups.

To this day I'm still convinced that poor lads problems with his parents not accepting that this kid was special needs and needed glasses. He probably could have done some of the work if he could have actually seen things.

Me and the Muslim manager used to joke that if he was back in the middle East isis would have had a field day with him.

3/3

>>2462968
Not him, but temp agencies make a ton of money just for sticking people into job slots.

>>2454620
>$30 an hour is nothing
Unless you live in some hell hole like LA or SF, $30/hr is quite a solid wage. It's far above the median personal income.

>>2460432
>Construction companies now have to pay $80k/year for a single bag operator
>"why does everything cost so much???"


Literally the root of most of these problems is that housing has become too expensive. Americans already get paid some of the highest wages in the entire world, but that doesn't matter when you have to blow 50% of your take-home pay on rent/mortgage.

>>2470282
30/hr is 1200 if you work 40 a week
That's 62.4k/yr, probably bang on average for a full-time male.

>>2470282
It's not the house that's expensive, it's the land

>>2470286
What? No it's not in America.
In UK sure, but America has cheap land

>>2470217
>>2470216
>>2470212
>>2470210
I'm a board tourist. Is there a reason you're all so assdevistated? I know that many people are legitimately envious of my skillset, but I didn't think it was this vitriolic.

Then again, I've seen a lot of small businesses fail vecause the owners thought they were naturally gifted salesmen.

>>2470292
As they always say in real estate
Location location

seems like a perfect place to ask, need some opinions/advice/experience. also forgive the lack of green text, phone posting in a hurry.

long story short, there is this Brown cunt at my wife's (also brown but not a cunt) work who is a cunt to basically everyone, her, most of the employees, even the fucking supervisor. for some God forsaken reason no matter what anyone tries to do, she doesn't even get so much as a slap on the wrist. it's gone to the point where she's verbally abusing everyone like before, calling them bitch ass cunts and stupid hoes and shit like that, and even getting physical like shoulder bumping people in the hallway when there's literally no one else there and it's like 10 ft wide. she's free to be as much of a nigger as she wants because like I said for some fucking reason she's immune. she calls in for work at the last minute at least once a week, and even got a guy to fucking quit with hilariously fake sexual harassment stories. it's out of fucking control.
my wife is finally had enough and she started recording her, so far she's caught her yelling and screaming at the boss for nothing, yelling and screaming at her for nothing, and even her bumping into her in the hallway on purpose. she wants to go to HR obviously, but with even the supervisor being literally powerless I told her to hold off and gather more evidence and threaten legal action if possible.
that's my question, does any of this seem legally actionable? obviously the shoulder bumping could be physical assault, the yelling and screaming I don't know because as far as I'm aware it's never been anything legally discriminatory, but still I mean everyday yelling at and insulting people like that that still has to be SOMETHING right? or the fact that the company is refusing to do anything about her despite all this?
still going to talk to a lawyer who specializes in this, but still asking in the meantime in case someone has their two cents to throw in.

>>2470319
How is the supervisor powerless? Does the nigress have some kind of blackmail on him?

From expertlaw.com:
>"It is not necessary that the contact be significant, or that a physical injury result. The act of spitting on somebody, or pushing a person without making that person stumble or fall, still constitutes a battery."

Depending on what the she-boon is screaming about, it may constitute workplace harassment and the employer's failure to do anything about it may make them responsible for creating a hostile workplace environment.
https://www.eeoc.gov/youth/harassment-faqs#Q1

What I would do:
>Gather evidence. The more the better.
>Wife tells nigress to stop. Record her response. If she hits your wife or something, she should call the police and watch she-boon get arrested.
>Wife talks to supervisor first, tells him that Nigress's harassment and assult is not tolerable. Tell him that if Nigress continues to be awful, she will have to go to HR. Document this somehow.
>Wife and her other coworkers (not supervisor!) talk to HR together and present the evidence
>Tell HR that they will not tolerate harassment, assault, and battery at work. Document this and their response.
If HR isn't actually retarded, they will understand that for the legal threat that it is.

If nothing happens after all that, then talk to an attorney in your state who specializes in workplace harassment. For court, she'll need to show that she made a good faith effort to tell she-boon to stop, and a good faith effort to let the employer fix it.
If she decides to go to court, she should be prepared to get another job. It's illegal for them to retaliate, but you don't want to be caught off guard if they do. On the bright side, if they do retaliate, you can sue them and get damages.


Alternate plan:
>Plant crack on the nigress and call the police.

>>2470406
Plan b should be plan a

>>2455138
2 million lmao I always get a kick out of you little fish who think you're hot shit. My favorite pleasure in life is to ruin you idiots by contacting the homeowner you did work for and give telling them to save their money on repairs, and instead use it to sue your ass.

>>2470282
To deal with the rent probelm you need to deal with who owns all the property. In my city its 3 major developers that own the majority stake of homes. Everything new construction is multi family homes or straight up apartments. Most single family homes that go on the market get bought up by air bnb merchants or aforementioned large developers.

>>2470510
I'm sorry you have such a small penis anon and now can't get it up via normal means

>>2470295
>I decided to reply to all these people and when they didn't care and respond I made an off topic thread in hopes of getting support because everyone else is butt hurt
I definitely believe you're a salesmen now lmao

>>2470528
You do realize that by process of deduction I can figure you out as a tranny moderator, right?

I don't get out of bed for less than 50 an hour. You don't get out of bed for more than 0.

>>2470531
How is that? Cause I'm definitely fucking not.

I worked at a nice country club one summer. The pro shop had a lunch room. The head chef was a very dark niggo who looked like he was from the Congo. He was about 35 I would say. The assistant chefs were a middle aged Brazilian woman and a guy in college. The waitresses were mostly cute college girls and Brazilians. There was one super hot high school girl there who was shy and everyone tried to talk to because she was so beautiful. One day after the assistant chef college guy had become friendly with the hot high school girl the head niggo flipped out and started yelling and screaming at the him telling him not to talk to her. Niggo threw kitchenware at the guy and the other employees had to calm niggo down. The college guy, who was white, got moved to another position. At the time I wondered how did a nig nog even get hired? There were no blacks in my town? Where did it come from? And why would you hire someone who looks like he should be in jail? And most baffling, why did he not get punished and why did the white kid get moved positions? It was around this time I began questioning the whole liberal agenda and belief system.

>>2470553
how stupid are you?

>why didn't the HEAD CHEF get punished?
because he's the head chef dipshit. People in power never get punished.

>but but liberals and their agend-
Stop huffing paint during your cigarette breaks.

>>2470554
Do you always get this angry when reality does not conform to your religion?

>>2470295
nobody is jealous of you anon

>>2454654
30 is a lot to you?

>>2454850
How dare she check on her daughters safety, what an evil cunt, you had to talk to people and everything!

>>2461441
Actually rather than altering the ratios of the chemicals in the package, they alter the structure of the banned chemical, creating a new experimental chemical to enjoy.

>>2464239
I did that

>>2464973
>well, learned more in those few months than years of higher education.
Yeah? No fucking shit college boy. Good job on the company though.

>>2454633
Definitely never owned a business (and never will) lol

>>2454636
God damn unions are fucking scum.

>>2470538
>h-how can you tell? I'm totally not, but ... how could you tell?
Lmao, you fucking troon.

>>2470553
They work for literally, I am not exaggerating, room and board in most instances.

I worked on a chicken farm for a while and the head of the farm somehow managed to negotiate a deep Congo nigger named Sunday to work for reject chicken eggs. He would beg the head of the farm to let his underage children work for eggs too.

They're a really fascinating but extremely dangerous species.

>>2470850
stuck the paper clip in and fucked the entire bank of outlets?
i knew i would run into you again

>>2470406
thanks for the reply. meant to respond yesterday but that was another whirlwind of a day
>How is the supervisor powerless? Does the nigress have some kind of blackmail on him?
him? no. as I understand it she (nigress) has that psychopath tier ability to manipulate and wrap basically anyone around her finger, and that's how it is with some of the people above the supervisor, so all the reports he submits against her are brushed off
>From expertlaw.com:
>>"It is not necessary that the contact be significant, or that a physical injury result. The act of spitting on somebody, or pushing a person without making that person stumble or fall, still constitutes a battery."
>Depending on what the she-boon is screaming about, it may constitute workplace harassment and the employer's failure to do anything about it may make them responsible for creating a hostile workplace environment.
exactly what I was thinking
>https://www.eeoc.gov/youth/harassment-faqs#Q1
>What I would do:
>>Gather evidence. The more the better.
already on it
>>Wife tells nigress to stop. Record her response. If she hits your wife or something, she should call the police and watch she-boon get arrested.
already told her to stop many times, here we still are. she won't get physical without significant provocation, she's too smart for that
>>Wife talks to supervisor first, tells him that Nigress's harassment and assult is not tolerable. Tell him that if Nigress continues to be awful, she will have to go to HR. Document this somehow.
she's already done this many times too, but not gone to hr because she's one of the people under the nigresses control, you know she would break confidentiality and incite retaliation.

>>2470406
>>2471125
>>Wife and her other coworkers (not supervisor!) talk to HR together and present the evidence
main reason this keeps happening is for some reason NO ONE ELSE FUCKING SAYS ANYTHING, so that's off the table
>>Tell HR that they will not tolerate harassment, assault, and battery at work. Document this and their response.
>If HR isn't actually retarded, they will understand that for the legal threat that it is.
>If nothing happens after all that, then talk to an attorney in your state who specializes in workplace harassment. For court, she'll need to show that she made a good faith effort to tell she-boon to stop, and a good faith effort to let the employer fix it.
yup, already discussed this with her. would like to avoid court if necessary but I told her at least a letter from a lawyer might have to be a thing that happens because of the stuff above
>If she decides to go to court, she should be prepared to get another job. It's illegal for them to retaliate, but you don't want to be caught off guard if they do. On the bright side, if they do retaliate, you can sue them and get damages.
they're a large company, but it's a pretty open and shut case with evidence and that fact that they are both brown women (no muh raysisum or secksism), if they try to bluff thinking we won't call it id imagine they'd fold with how much they'd have to lose no matter how large their army of men in suits and tiny hats. on the flip side, the main reason she hasn't left is because she enjoys the work and the company and makes literally 40% more than she should be making for her position and has been for years. not something we want to just give up without a fight nor worth a small payout, especially in the current year and foreseeable future.
>Alternate plan:
>>Plant crack on the nigress and call the police.
oh I don't think we would have to plant anything from the stories people tell about her, and it's an option on the table

>>2453475
in all seriousness that shit will make you hallucinate. I worked with a guy for a while who got on it. he started accusing me of saying things to him when I was nowhere nearby...he would either hear me threaten him or offer to suck his dick. obviously after a few angry arguments with him about what I had supposedly said, I fired him. found the spice bag in the work van the next day. he got another job, got fired from that, slashed his boss's tires, etc. crazy fucking nigger is probably in prison right now

>>2470562
>>>anon acts like a stupid dipshit
>>call them a stupid dipshit
>y u angry?
You okay anon?

>>2471132
I did it a lot when it first came out. had a religious experience in my backyard where I could see all the souls of people that were dying being pulled up into a brilliant golden ring in the sky. got on my knees and prayed and cried. no friends knew I went off the deep end and were cool about getting me help

>>2453946
>mfw she played the long con
Based

>>2453654
They make the mistake of thinking people are like them, for better or worse.

>>2453393