/diy/ - Do It Yourself

>>1966861
>Another one of these

It's a load of bs. The most important thing is to have one battery platform and decent quality, which all the brands in your pic have. I personally use DeWalt but Makita or blue Bosch are just as good. I never used Milwaukee or Ryobi or whatever but I can't imagine it being much different

Atlas copco, dewalt, esab

>>1966863
Ryobi is harbor freight tier garbage
All brands have their high and low end. Some have a higher floor than others

You retards don't think they don't outsource that shit from a single company and just change the label?

In any case its a fucking DC motor with a resistor at the trigger, you can't fuck that up.
Just buy the cheapest one you can get, it will work just fine

Makita all the way

>>1966874
retarded advice

>>1966899
He's poor, leave him alone.
That extra $40 will decide if he gets groceries or not.

Stihl

Powerfist

>>1967189

Makita has the widest platform low power though.

Dewalt has the best drivers and battery, but not a very wide platform, great for framers and the like.

Milwaukee is overpriced but has a good platform and power, nothing spectacular tho.

Rigid is a decent poorfag option.

Ryobi is a meme.

Other brands like Hilti and Bosch are irrelevant and should not be purchased.

Depends for what, i noticed that bosch dropped in quality like no other brand.

I prefer dewalt for most things

>>1967193
>Hilti and Bosch are irrelevant

Biggest tool on this list is you.

>>1966861
memel

>more seething about ryobi

>>1967206
Doesnt make him wrong

i have four i consider especially good. klein, dewalt, kinepex, and ideal. ive doen electrical work and dewalt impacts have never failed me and my klein and knipex pliers are amazing. and the ideal has saved me from many shocks and they make good knowlex

>I prefer tools made by ryobi

Redpill me on bosch and makita

>>1967238
Bongs jerk off over Makita and Bosch, because it costs too much money to import Dewalt and Milwaukee. Thats quite literally the only reason they have such a hard on for them.

In the USA, Makita is known as "the made in japan" company, so retards who only care about country of origin buy Makita (even though makita shit is chinese made too). Milwaukee and Dewalt outclasses makita in pretty much everything, while having bigger selections of tools. But muh folded nippon iron from the 80s means the new chinese tools will be great!

Bosch doesnt even exist, they have almost no market share and they dont really send over their good tools. Bosch is like a middling company that nobody even thinks about here.

Simple as that

>>1967240
Ok, thanks. I don't live in the US which is why I don't see new American tools often. Good to know.

>>1967240
I still prefer makita saws to Milwaukee and Dewalt.
The 36v track saw & rear handle saw are fantastic.
Makita’s 10” cordless mitre saw is also excellent. My 12” corded mitre is dewalt and it’s very good, but the makita is just so sweet.

Yes,I prefer tools made by ryobi

>>1967193
>>1967213
If you’re a commercial tradesman then Hilti and Bosch are moneymakers. I use a corded Bosch rotary hammer drill and it drills through almost anything. When I need to drill a hole in a NEMA-X stainless steel panel then I’ll bust out my 22v Hilti cordless drill.

>>1967450
>If you’re a commercial tradesman then Hilti and Bosch are moneymakers.
Yeah, thats the line Hilti gives you trying to convince you to buy their awful service for their mediocre tools.

>>1966861
Pic related. No competition.

>>1967463
Except for Milwaukee blows it out of the water...

>>1967457
I don’t pay for them and they’re not mediocre at all. Sounds like pure cope.

>>1967494
>Sounds like pure cope.
The only cope is from Hilti fags thinking that paying triple the price for worse performing tools is somehow justified in any way.
We get it, the faggot in the hilti Toyota Tacoma drives to your site once a month and can swap out your plethora of broken hilti tools, because bossman paid out the ass for this service.

In the end the fact that they will recycle and replace their broken trash that shouldnt have broken in the first place is telling.

>>1966861
ridgid desu. I don't own them, but I've used plenty enough rigids at work to trust them, seen plenty more around, and seen enough very-attractive sales. I bought into makita's 18v line and like the ones I have, but this deep into ownership, by this point I'd have bought twice as many tools with half the hesitation for a comparable amount of money.

>>1967450
Bosch is the brand I have the longest and most consistent experience with, Hiltis are the brand most known to grow legs.

>>1967193
>Milwaukee overpriced
>when Dewalt costs just as much if not more
Don't piss in my hands and tell me it's raining, bud. I agree that Milwaukee is overpriced, but the fuel M18 outclasses the Dewalt Max XR in every way, even the damned M12 Fuel is nearly as good.

To answer your question, OP, Milwaukee is great if you're an electrician. But if you're just a DYI guy you can go with whoever. Ridgid, Ryobi and Milwaukee share the same parts manufacturer, and Dewalt is owned by Black & Decker of all people.

Ridgid has an okay tool selection, but is easily beaten by Ryobi and Milwaukee when it comes to variety. Dewalt is comparable to Milwaukee overall when it comes to selection. People say Ridgid's warranty is what makes them great, but they often miss the fine print. "LIMITED Lifetime Warranty".

Makita is middle of the road in terms of quality, but they are easily overpriced and nearly as much as Milwaukee and Dewalt tools. I worked at Home Depot, not Lowe's, so I can't tell you anything about Lowe's specific power tool brands.

t. commercial electrician

>>1966870
I'm a Makita man myself but what I like about Ryobi is it fits it niche and they make alot of tools that the big guys don't make

>>1967463
Post boomer hands you old fat fuck

>>1966870
youre right to an extent.
a lot of factories make the same tools but with different quality tiers. if two brands look the same then you are paying extra for fit and finish, not and entirely different tool.

Milwaukee looks like a bottle of Coca Cola.
I fucking hate Am*r*cans.

>>1967240
intresting point anon, because bosch in EU is still doing pretty good and its considered as a higher tier brand

>>1968079
Ive heard people have say that the bosch tools in the USA are mostly rebadged Green bosch tools.

Does anyone in this board use Festool?

>>1968082
Why would anyone use Festool
If youve actually felt them up IRL youd know they actually feel pretty cheap

>>1968082
its the gentleman's tool, so no

>>1966870
>Ryobi is harbor freight tier garbage
actually their brad nailer is better than the milwaukee one
they have some really good sleeper tools

Why do people do this "you have to keep buying the same brand/stay in the same battery family" meme

Who the fuck is going to base their drill buying decision on whether or not they can use the battery with their leaf blower

>>1968082
if you use a festool drill youre a a bigger tool than the drill. domino, sure. track saw, maybe. drill, fuck that waste of money.

>>1968240
>Who the fuck is going to base their drill buying decision on whether or not they can use the battery with their leaf blower
Anyone who isnt a dumbfuck.
Are you really too retarded to figure out why sharing the same battery between your leaf blower and your drill is a very good idea?

>>1966861
Makita has really great weird shit like pic related but for everyday ownership of quality tools Milwaukee is the way to go.

>>1967463
>'sup

>>1968254
Cordless leaf blowers are the big crime anyway

>>1967189
>>1967190
actually make a real good shit shovel

>>1966870
The nice thing about $15-30 bottom barrel tools is that you can run them through the absolute ringer. You'll either find out they're not shit or they'll die and get replaced or upgraded.

I like Fein, Metabo and Bosch in that order.
But I have like a dozen SKIL corded drills I've beat the ever loving piss out of over the years and they still work.

why are batteries so expensive?

Is there a smarter way than constantly be spending my paycheck to buy more batteries so i can get my paychecks for batteries?

>>1967190
Power fist is the most bipolar fucking shit in the world. I have a pf branded heatgun thats been working no problem for a decade but then a socket not even 6 months old cracks apart with normal use, not on an impact or anything just turning by hand on a regular ratchet. I don't even care its a $2 socket but now I godda drive somewhere to get a new one and my fucking vehicle isn't put back together because the goddamn socket broke.

>>1968654
>why are batteries so expensive?
They cost almost nothing to make.
Its a scam business model, just like ink cartridges for printers.

Once you have a certain amount of tools, you are going to keep buying batteries when they fail.
And when you keep buying batteries, as the tool fails, you buy more tools to fit the batteries you have.
But seeing how you NEED the batteries, they can charge outlandish prices, and you WILL pay for them.

The only way to get away from this is to buy corded tools.
Of course manufacturers dont want you to do that, and people who need to justify their own purchases like Bepis dont want you to do that.
But there is a lot of merit to corded tools

>>1968654
Lithium batteries (in general) use rather exotic chemistry in structures that need rather tight tolerances to not explode when storing or moving large amounts of energy. Power tool batteries need control electronics to balance the multiple cells (no not explode etc.). If you know what you're doing, you can build your own batteries from things like 18650 cells and electronic components. Or you can pay a premium price for a ready-to-use battery that's guaranteed to work with your tools and not burn your house down. For most people, the cost-benefit-risk comes down on the side of brand-name batteries, so the market can bear a substantial markup over components.

>>1968740
Get a load of this faggot
The batteries have 18650 cells in them. RETAIL for an end consumer high quality cells are like $3 after going through 20 middlemen
Companies buy them by the palletloads so they cost almost nothing.
You have what, 8 cells in a battery?
The protection circuits have been around for decades, they arent special or new to design. They dont have anything special in the circuits, off the shelf cheap components. They dont cost shit to manufacture.
And then they throw it in a cheap plastic case?

At the volume they are running with the factories they have, id be surprised if it costs a company more than $10-15 their cost.

>>1968742
>You have what, 8 cells in a battery?
3 in a minimal "12V" battery, 5 in a minimal "18/20V" battery, but larger ones commonly have parallel stacks with 10 or 15 cells. 10 cells in a minimal "40V" battery and 15 cells in a "60V" battery.

>The batteries have 18650 cells in them.
Most do, but the higher performance batteries have been moving to alternate standards as part of the effort to increase performance (e.g. 21700).

>id be surprised if it costs a company more than $10-15 their cost.
Marginal material cost, perhaps, but a company that charged that would promptly go out of business. There's all sorts of overhead to cover before you even get to profit. Generic replacements tend to sell for in the neighborhood of half a brand name equivalent (that is, a lot more than that material cost) because they have to generate enough profit to make the manufacturing, distribution, etc. worthwhile. Note that the manufacturer typically gets the wholesale price, not the retail price you pay.

Now, see above where I said
>so the market can bear a substantial markup over components.
What do you think that means? Hint: It's WHY there's such a mismatch between material cost and retail price.

>>1966875
this

>>1968082
Everyone here is too poor for Festool m8

>>1968742
This is the secret to modern cordless tools, even after all of the R&D and fancy innovations like brushless motors, the money is in the batteries, not the tools themselves. That's why you see kits practically giving away tools while still charging you $79+ for a basic 1.5ah 18 volt lithium battery; the mark ups and margins on the batteries are obscene while they will hand out tools for free just to get you more and more invested in their battery ecosystem.

>>1968813
like printers and cartridge ink

>>1968082
That thing looks like a last generation dewalt with its big ass battery. Things ugly. would not buy

are retro tools good? like all metal casing, no ground wire
and a horrid smell amd smoke

>>1968839
If you like heavy underpowered this that will electrocute you, sure.

>>1966861
Dremel

>>1968842
sounds alot like my ex, ngl

>>1966867
desab

>>1968753
He’s right though. Everybody knows the batteries are marked up like crazy. That’s why they will offer “Two Free Tools!” and give you 5-6 tools from a premium brand for $299. They know they have you locked into the battery platform and will make their profits on subsequent battery sales.

Also you’re paying for all the tools and batteries Jamal took to the pawn shop, which is a whole lot.

Hilti for jack hammers and saws, Makita for screwdrivers and Milwaukee's for cucks

>>1969134
>Hilti for jobs where the boss pays for all of your tools

fixed, i dont see any of you actually running out to buy a $2000 Hilti breaker or $600 drill and impact set unless its with the company credit card.

>>1969131
>He’s right though.
He's also not disagreeing with what I said. He apparently doesn't like my explanation for why batteries have a large markup, but didn't say why.
Question >>1968654
Answer >>1968740
Ree >>1968742

Consider what you just added to the conversation. My original answer mentioned the large markup and explained why that exists and why consumers can be "locked into" a brand's batteries rather than using cheaper alternatives. And my response here >>1968753 mentioned overhead, which includes theft.

>>1969139
Hilti's full of corporate shitbags but their warranty never fucked us over, I remember my boss came in with a Milwaukee one day as a sample a gave it to me for a job, the fucker broke within half a day (not complete breakdown the piston jammed but without real usage)

>>1969139
also if you'r looking for affordability might I suggest Ryobi

for me, it's dewalt 20v

>>1966861
Makita. Because Makita is Makita and not some re-branded OEM tool.

>>1969270
Who makes their bits and impact sockets and shit? That simple infograph doesn’t explain it all, and smaller companies under a mega corp can often be very independent or can be rebranding eachother’s crap. There is an article on the CEO of ITW I was reading, the dude purposely breaks up companies when they get too big because he wants them to specialize and compete, even if it’s two ITW companies with their own R&D departments competing against eachother with the same type of product.

>>1967557
>Dewalt is owned by Black & Decker of all people.
They've been owned by black and decker literally for 60 years.

>>1969307
Makita makes all their shit. They design it themselves and make it in China. But they design and develop it all themselves. You won't find them re-branding some Taiwanese or Chinese tool or part.
For home use, Makita's fine for me.

i love muh walkee

>>1969316
Ahhh so that’s why they’re so far behind Milwaukee.

>>1968739
100% power, 100% of the time

lovely. will never buy a non corded tool

>>1969400
Unless you’re >10ft from an outlet

>>1969400
Different power sources are suited for different things. Corded power works well for static tools like table saws and drill presses that are installed in a fixed location in a shop, and for high-power tools like grinders that see extended use in a shop. Battery power works well for portable tools like hand drills, drivers, and sawzalls that are used briefly in scattered locations that may not be near an electrical outlet. In between cases are more situational, like framing saws. Mains or generator power is probably available on a jobsite, but running a hundred or more feet of cord is a hassle, and current high-end battery saws are actually more powerful than their corded counterparts, at a cost of increased price and weight (if you leave out the extension cords).

the main 3 colors blue red and yellow are all about the same. They each make some tools better and a lot of it personal preference. Rigid is a step down and ryobi is two steps down.

>>1969407
And how often is that for a homeowner?
Almost never, and the once or twice a year he needs a long extension cord its not a big deal.

I know you have a lot of cope and need to continue justifying your collection of cordless tools to yourself, but its not fooling anyone else.

>>1966861
I work at Lowe's, and Dewalt is the most stolen brand, so I guess that's the answer. Also AnCap colors are cool.

>>1969316
>You won't find them re-branding some Taiwanese or Chinese tool or part.
>>1969270
>not some re-branded OEM tool.

Are you dumb?
Makita's size makes them far more likely to outsource and rebrand parts from outside of their company than say StanleyBlackDecker.
Stanley is a behemoth of a company, with HUGE R&D and huge number of engineers at every single level for every single company.

They have dedicated companies making every single type of tool you can imagine.

>>1969316
>They design it themselves and make it in China

IE they outsource to chinese factories outside of the company, as opposed to Stanley who literally owns and operates every single one of their factories.
And here you are pretending this is a good thing, or that Makita hasnt just slapped their name on other stuff coming out of that same OEM factory.

You are deluded, and your priorities are in the wrong place.

>>1969785
What else does Lowes even sell?
You think people are going to bother to steal Kobalt shit? You dont have Makita or Milwaukee

>>1969790
>outsource and rebrand parts from outside of their company
hey retard, Makita might build shit in the third world but they operate their own factories unlike everyone else.

>>1969784
I dislike unrolling 100ft of extension cords to drop two screws into something outside.

>>1969931
just use a screwdriver you limp wristed pansy

>>1969931
We know, and you have unendingly bragged about paying quite a lot of money to avoid that hypothetical situation that doesnt happen

>>1969933
>>1969934
>screwdriver to drop in 2 tapcons in a concrete exterior wall
Also the cordless drill is better in basically every metric than that old corded thing from the 80s that Mariana uses to stir soup at the Latin cafe

>>1969938
We know, youve repeatedly talked about how you spend copious amounts of money on cordless tools because the marketing on the box has convinced you to stay "up to date" on things.

>>1969939
I would rather spend the rest of the Sunday at dinner and the beach with my wife instead of rolling up extension cords.

With NiCd, it wasn’t quite as clear, but newer cordless tools are so good that you might as well get cordless versions of most stuff.

Ask me the last time I tore up an extension cord with a cordless hedge trimmer or saw?

>>1968822
>Things ugly
>would not buy
Is there anyone on this board who isn't basically just a fucking toy collector?

>>1969942
>Ask me the last time I tore up an extension cord with a cordless hedge trimmer or saw?

Never, you rent your house like a poorfaggot. Thats the Landlords job.
Keep going on about living beyond your means because a marketing department told you to.

>>1969944
Retarded.

Not like good corded tools cost any less than good cordless tools once you already have a couple batteries.

Enjoy those tangled extension cords.

>>1968082
Festool's oscillating tool is the best one on the market. Slices through any kind of wood like its butter, a dewault one just gets stuck. IDK about their other tools though.

>>1969953
>once you spend quadruple the price as corded tools on batteries, then the price of bare tools is the same as the corded tools!
Retarded is absolutely right, I mean you cant even figure out how to untangle extension cords!

>>1969904
>they operate their own factories unlike everyone else.

So, Makita, the smallest tool maker of the bunch runs a handful of factories.
Yet you believe "everyone else" somehow dont?
Despite that fact that someone like the Fortune 500 company Black and Decker made 10 BILLION dollars MORE last year than Makita did.
You think the big dogs with the big money, the big resources, the big engineers and R&D need to outsource stuff? Remember how they bought craftsman and were like "Yeah we are just gonna build a new factory for them here in the USA", and just like that they did.

You are claiming that having the least money and the least resources means they are the least likely to outsource. Do you see why you are a dumb fuck?

Look at Makita selling impact sockets.
They sell twenty eight 1/2 sockets, twenty eight 3/8 sockets, and sixteen 1/4 sockets in a few different boxes.
So they sell a grand total of 72 sockets. Period, that it, thats all of them.

Do you really think they spent millions of dollars building a factory with specialty equipment and tooling to make a grand total of 72 different sockets?
Fuck no they didnt, they arent a socket company, they have no reason to invest in that.

They outsourced the fuck out of them.

Yet when Milwaukee said "hey lets make some sockets", they designed and built their square sockets with their 90t ratchets. Where did they do it?
In one of their Taiwanese factories, probably right alongside their Dewalt handtools and their Proto hand tools. Because guess what? They have the money and resources to do it, they dont need to pay a premium to a middle man to outsource their production. Its cheaper for them to do it themselves.

There is a reason Makita is outclassed by everyone else anon.

>>1969961
No, you’ll get it eventually, but it sure did take some time. You could’ve spent that time building a birdhouse with your daughter using your cordless drill if you had gone that route.

>>1969988
I dont have down syndrome so I didnt tie my extension cords in a knot.
I know its pretty hard for some people. I mean once they finally learn to tie their shoes, they go around trying to tie everything amirite?

>>1969988
Who uses screws for a birdhouse?

>>1969997
I stopped using nails after I lost two fingertips

>>1969994
200ft of extension cords can get messy during use. Turns into a whole afternoon when you could’ve slid in a battery pack and been done with it. The best thing is a good lithium pack will stay charged for months and months in storage.

>>1970005
>guy who struggles with extension cords
>retarded enough to take his fingertips off
Cmon now, Bepis dont say its so. Either you really did take your fingertips off like the idiot we all think you are, or you are larping it which is sad in pathetic in its own right.

love those red toys boys, LOVE EM

>>1970012
People think I’m part of Japan mafia

>>1970037
The new boss just got a brushless set of red driver and cut everything saw. I'll still rep my green impact, but the feels are there.

>>1969966
>You think
yes

>>1969966
plus, why would you buy impact sockets from a power tool company? You buy your impact sockets from a reputable brand, not some one-stop-shop all like Dewalt / proto whatever the fuck who's spread too thin to be good at any one thing.

>>1970084
>moving the goalposts from "they dont outsource" to "well dont buy the stuff they do outsource OBVIOUSLY"

> not some one-stop-shop all like Dewalt / proto
Thats why its so great being a company thats literally 6 times bigger than Makita.
There is no "one stop shop" being "spread too thin"
They have specialty factories for literally every facet of tools.
The one spread too thin is Makita having to outsource to keep up with what their competitors are doing.

>>1970084
Why would Makita stamp their name on some cheap generic impact sockets and sell them next to their driver bits if they were such a reputable company who takes pride in everything being made in-house?

At least SB&D knows how to make sockets when they slap a stamp on it. You’re just being a Makita fanboi, like the Snappy guy who says his Blue Point diagnostic stuff is amazing when it’s clearly rebranded Autel for twice as much.

>>1969966
I’m still trying to figure out where those Milwaukee hand tools come from. Every other company, you can find out fairly easily when it’s rolling off the same Taiwanese or Chinese line as Kobalt or maybe Quinn from HF, but all of the Milwaukee stuff seems to be brand new original designs. It’s expensive for Asian made stuff, but props to them for not taking some Husky and slapping a lighting bolt on it and selling it for 60% more. I almost snagged a 3/8” socket set for $59 with the cyber sales just to open up the ratchet and see if I could figure it out.

>>1970098
>>1970104
BC all these companies are making their money off the dingleberries buying any shit with their name on it, not the savvy tool-appreciators like you and I.

>>1968763
Other than the Domino and track saw, why should I care about this white wash brand?

>>1969957
I use a $15 HF multitool with < $1 ebay blades. Fe Stool doesn't want anything to do with what I'm getting into.

>>1966861
Ridgid is an easy choice for hobbyist tier. They're quality tools that feel good in the hand at a great price point, and their warranty is second to none. All that being said, if I made my money with these tools I'd be red or teal or yellow depending on my trade.

>>1969784
>need to do some work in the attic
>or crawlspace
>or prune some trees/shrubs 200 feet from the house
>or fix the mailbox 300 feet from the house

>>1970156
Ridgid also makes what may be the best pipe threaders to be had, and they're priced for professional use.

How do people feel about Stanley?

>>1970166
Yeah, like I said, situations that happen once maybe twice a year

>>1970551
Or like twice a month for people who don’t live in studio apartments

>>1970170
Their plumbing tools and power tools are two different companies. HD licensed the name to stick on their store brand cordless tools. They even have a few specialty cordless tools from the plumbing side that don’t use the same batteries as the orange Home Depot tools.

>>1970548
Do they even sell those in the US?

If you’re going to go with budget homeowner cordless tools, especially if you plan on buying anything beyond a drill, there’s no reason to buy anything besides Ryobi.

>>1970619
>Do they even sell those in the US?
No idea, I'm from yurop. Ryobi is rather uncommon here.

I noticed a bunch of Stanley tools sitting next to some Makita stuff. The yellow toys seemed to be competetively priced.

>>1970620
I mean Stanley in the US is sort of a homeowner lineup these days, their FatMax tools being higher end. When it comes to Stanley Black & Decker corp’s power tools here, Black & Decker is the bottom end for somebody who wants better than generic but it will see light weekend use, Porter Cable and Craftsman are the DIYer brands, and DeWalt being the contractor grade, I have no idea where a Fatmax drill would fall into that, probably above Black & Decker, could be real close to the Porter Cable drills.

It’s all a game with the marketing department trying to divide up segments and stick this brand name on that product to make the customers think a certain way.

That drill is probably solid for a DIYer, but when you buy into cordless tools and drop money on a few batteries, you want to look at the whole lineup. Spend a couple extra bucks now and you can save in the long run when you want cordless saws and impacts and sanders.

>>1970548
>>1970626
Actually, looks like a rebrand of the Porter Cable stuff, which should be more than enough for weekend projects.

>>1970630
Yeah that does look quite similar.

The actual based thing to do is to own a drill set from a high quality company, then own all of the meme tools you'll use twice a year like sawzalls/etc in Ryobi.

>>1970723
Only reddit spergs own all the tools from the expensive lineup. Most people will own tools from two brands, the tools they use frequently will be Makita/Dewalt/Milwaukee and the rest of the shit they never use will be a porter cable or some shit.

It just works.

>>1969340
>Ahhh so that’s why they’re so far behind Milwaukee.
>Milwaukee
imagine buying chinese brands... hahaahah... fucking retard.

Most brands will do the basics just fine. It has to do with the operator . I have watched idiots break band saw blades and blame it on the blades. FKN dipshits. Learn how to use a tool !

Why don’t they sell power supplies that can be put in place of the battery in case that you have to work continuously instead of just for a few minutes?

>>1970786
>imagine buying chinese brands
>makita
fuck off retard

>>1970837
Makita's Japanese. Milfuckie is chinese brand, shit for brains.

>>1966861
parkside

>>1970827
Metabo makes those for their 36v tools, other brands would rather you bought a bigger battery than use the wall outlet jew.

>>1970723
That's what is recommend, have jewelry., nice brushless drill set with some saws that won't get bogged down under load then get gimmick tools like inflators and causing guns from Ryobi for the couple of times you need it.

>>1970843
Lidl's Parkside is supposed to be pretty good for the price.

>>1970652
Here, pic related looks like the exact same one, but rebranded. Wouldn’t be surprised if they had a similar model number but a different letter in the front.

They’re actually pretty good tools. You won’t have as good of a selection as DeWalt or Makita, but if they offer sawzalls and all the shit you think you need at a reasonable price, they should run great for a DIYer.

The batteries even look the same except those Stanley Fatmax ones have a couple tabs on the top to keep them from going in the Porter Cables. I bet you could run the Chinese eBay PC 20V batteries on that FatMax drill in a pinch, might need to file down one little plastic tab somewhere.

>>1970827
This >>1970853

But you still need the battery because those tools would need a big ass power supply when they’re pulling peak power. I believe the Metabo design has the power supply plugging into the battery rather than the tool, so it’s like the battery is actually powering the tool while the power supply is recharging the battery at the same time.

Also you don’t really need it on most cordless tools. A 3.0 pack will last a long time in an impact driver. And lithium charges fast, there aren’t many jobs where you wouldn’t be fine with one 4.0 in the tool and a second on the charger.

>>1970840
I don’t think lots of you anons understand how corporations and all of their subsidiaries work. If a parent company has a corporate office in one city, it does not mean that all of the R&D and marketing and manufacturing from all of the subsidiaries is all done in the same building.

I like AEG, it's cheap and good quality and has a lot of features you don't get on the cheaper models. Plus a 6 year warranty is pretty good, so yeah.

>>1967218
>kinepex
you mean knipex right?
Their shit is awesome. I recently bought their rj45 crimper smooth AF action, and when you grab it the quality is obviously top notch.

How does Porter Cable hold up? I always shit on my dad for using Porter Cable cordless tools, but I used his impact driver today and I liked it more than my Milwaukee.

This thread is making me feel like a poorfag retard because I've seen all of two people mention craftsman
Where did I go wrong

>>1971086
New craftsman hasn’t been on the market for long also porter cable exists

>>1967240
>>1969966

Makita have an enormous power tool lineup that they only bring a fraction to the US. Their expensive batteries and under-powered batteries (although this is because they're a founder's problem/ first to lithium ion) make them less popular in the US. Their 40V platform I think has done the catching up. I think most carpenters in the tail end of their career today recognize Makita as a great brand (their saws are still great).

Makita makes their cheapest power tools in China. Their contractor's line is pretty good, and I think are still made in Japan.

>>1971086
>>1971025
I'm pretty sure modern Lowes Craftsman is a rebranded Porter Cable

>>1970548
Is this new? Never knew it existed. Stanley brand name just reminds me of Walmart before hyper tough or hart was a thing.

>>1971131
>rebranded Porter Cable
I don’t think so. They look like newer designs and battery packs. SB&D was willing to make some new molds when they bought thay name. Look at the Stanley Fatmax the Yuro anon in the other thread posted, that is rebranded PC.

>>1971086
They look fine. People are a little weary because it’s a brand new lineup so you would only have the stuff if you bought into your current power tool platform within the last couple years. I’m guessing Porter Cable 20V will die off with Craftsman becoming the new DIYer line from SB&D. Since that stuff got released, I would still get Ryobi instead just because the tool lineup and the HD deals and the compatibility with tools from years and years ago.

>>1971025
They’re the older version of Craftsman.

>>1970995
We get it as Ridgid in the US. Lifetime warranty with registration, although 6 years is better than anybody else (5 with Milwaukee and Kobalt). Good bang for the buck but limited tool lineup.

Not mentioned here is Skil, their new
12V and 20V tools have gotten really good reviews. Plus they look a lot like Hilti.

>>1970995
Is that just ridgid in a different country?

>>1971184
Is US ridged the same as the ridged that makes plumbing tools such as the pipe wrench?

HITACHI

>>1971194
I keep ending up buying Maetabo tools. Been having pretty good deals

>>1971188
>>1971192
Home Depot did a deal where they use the Ridgid name from the US plumbing company and stick it on AEG power tools to sell as their store brand tools. The orange Ridgid power tools are made by a totally different company than the red Ridgid pipe wrenches. Technically it’s the same company I guess, but it’s like the Snap On branded Chinese work lights they sold at Costco, they have very little to do with the wrenches made in Wisconsin.

>>1971221
Regular or HPT?

Most powerful combi on the market? Work in industrial maintenance and want to know if there's anything better than my dewalt combi for putting holes in stubborn materials.

>>1971475
An SDS hammer drill would be better for masonry. A hole hawg style drill would be better for large holes in soft materials. A mag drill would be better for large holes in steel. The drills in a combination set are for general purpose light use, and while I've drilled half-inch holes in steel in one shot with mine (split point bit), if you want better performance for something, there are specialized drills available. As for the performance of different models, the best to be had varies as manufacturers put out new models.

>>1971383
Metabo hpt

>>1971224
Explains why the aesthetic is completely different. I knew something was up with those 2

>>1971490
Very informative cheers

I buy Makita really just because the color scheme is kino

And they seem to do well in most of the head to head tests

>>1970968
I can't take modern Porter Cable tools seriously, they all look like they are made of Legos.

>>1968082
The Domino is without a doubt a fucking great tool.
Everything else is just meh.

based

>>1968082
Used their 12 V drills years ago.
And their saws.
Top tier tools.
But expensive AF.

>>1966899
Retarded response

>>1966861
German hand tools, Japanese power tools. End of discussion.

>>1970548
Needed a drill while waiting for my Dewalt tools to arrive.
Looked at that specific drill. Noped out.
Spent an extra 100 bucks and walked out with a Dewalt instead.
Now have two Dewalts and perfectly happy with my decision.

>>1970827
Many do this for their higher Volt lines.
Eg Dewalt Flexvolt.

>>1972824
>Noped out.
You didn't say why.

>>1973110
A combination of many factors.
The primary being I had a huge Dewalt kit on the way. Kit has arrived and all tools and tough system cases are rock solid btw.
Also I found it feeling kinda cheap.
Another bonus.
I can now have two kits. One for Carpentry and one for bathroom jobs.
And a seperate case for batteries and chargers.
Worked out sweet for my OCD at only a little extra monies.

>>1971221
For me it's Makita

>>1972825
>Eg Dewalt Flexvolt.
Not really. The adapter is not for the Flexvolt line, it's for the 120V miter saw specifically. And since that's a 120V universal motor, it's really just an adapter to get the electrical connections from a standard wall plug to the battery connections, and not the more complicated electronics it would take to convert 120V AC into something usable by normal cordless tools.

>>1967450
>>1967457
Thats what I noticed too, yheir drills pissed me off, tons of power but it would overheat all the time

>>1966861
>PC vs Mac vs Linux
>Sony vs Nintendo vs Microsoft
>Dewalt vs Milwaukee vs Makita

>>1973456
You are correct because the best one is Bosch professional.

>>1966861
i personally have used a Ryobi hammer drill for over 10 years never had it fail, battery life is about 5 years durable enough to drop from two stories and be unharmed

>>1973456
Video games are for fags

IDK i got craftsman drills on sale

>>1973991
This. Bosch Pro are great tools. Better than the often over rated Dewalt.

is proxxon based or cringe

>>1973110
>>1973226
Back when Porter Cable sort of existed, there were some people who claimed the PC drills and impact drivers were better than similar offers from Ryobi or the old Craftsman, but PC was lacking when it came to saws and such.

>>1974344
They aren’t sold-supported very widely in the US. The corded Bulldogs are still quite popular, but there isn’t much of a reason to spend on their cordless stuff, especially considering the sales we get on Milwaukee, DeWalt, and Makita but rarely on Bosch.

>>1974349
Is that the one with the “power base” which is basically a proprietary plug?

>>1974349
>They aren’t sold-supported very widely in the US. The corded Bulldogs are still quite popular, but there isn’t much of a reason to spend on their cordless stuff, especially considering the sales we get on Milwaukee, DeWalt, and Makita but rarely on Bosch.

Lots of places in the UK have Bosch Professional but like the US, there is definitely a lack of sales and promotion, especially compared to Dewalt. So is Dewalt, genuinely better quality, or is it simply the extra deals which gets them noticed.

>>1970859
Is pic rel destined to remain a meme? Saw this tool format a couple of times, only home owner Ridgid/Black and Decker stuff, pretty much always cheap shit. Makes me wonder if modular tools are even a viable concept at all

>>1974857
The Ridgid MegaMax version actually has a lot of good reviews. Supposedly that sawzall that hooks onto it is a beast. The multitool has some cool attachments as well. It’s not really a homeowner brand.

My issue is that the attachments cost as much as the bare tool would cost. For the extra $30 to buy the actual tool, you can make it more ergonomic and better all around without that week point where they snap together.

Other reason why they don’t do that so much with the big brands- if a pro needs the tool, he will spend the money on the whole tool. Your pic related might sell a homeowner on a couple attachments he wouldn’t buy as a whole tool.

But as I type this, I remember pic related, Milwaukee just put this thing out.

>>1974884
thats actually the third version of the multi-headed installation tool Milwaukee has made, the previous ones just wernt sold in the US. Bosch also makes a similar one but id rather import the previous version from Europe than deal with the big clunky installation tool.

the Jobmax is actually a really interesting tool, its too bad the unique power heads are getting harder and harder to find. there are a total of 5 different motor bases (including the Ryobi version) and 10 or so power heads that will do the job of a whole fleet of tools. the biggest drawback is the fact that the Ridgid 12v line is a joke and it seems to aim at a very specific trade like electrician or handyman that might need a few different tools every once in a while but doesnt want to haul around extra bags and cases for additional equipment.

>>1966874

>>1968308
Been using milwaukee impacts for over a decade working on industrial boilers. We have a few corded ones that haven't had an issue since I started working full time in 2008.
The Milwaukee portabands are kind of shit though.

I've used makita for 10 years or so and it's never failed me. I've dropped my shit from rooftops too lol

>>1966870
Hey, don't insult harbor freight like that

>>1966861
The one you have with you.
Brandfaggotry is very cringe my dude

>>1974980
I actually have the corded version with the oscillating tool coming for Xmas. Couldn’t decide on 18V, 12V, or corded. 18V looks big, and there were no good deals with batteries, but the corded was $79 with a handful of attachments so I figured I give that a try.

If they still sold all of the attachments, I would grab the 12V base in a second. The ratchet would be sweet for automotive stuff and the recip saw would be good for pruning branches and shit. Unfortunately, the 12V base is an older brushed motor and doesn’t really have the power for some of the tools, and the ratchet head is $120+ on eBay and contunues to go higher. I might pay the money for the ratchet head if I could get the lifetime warranty, but even then at some point I bet they would just give you a HD gift card instead of replacing it down the line.

Also there’s an air power base I believe, hook that bitch up to the compressor.

>>1966861
For me it's Tim Allen signature tools

>>1975213
the Pneumatic Jobmax was one of the more useful tools they ever made.

most people would buy one for automotive use but the real secret was using one in roofing instead. you already have air lines running up there for nail guns, now you have a single compact multi-purpose tool that can run saws, shingle cutters, impacts, auto hammers and sanders without extra power cords or hauling batteries.

>>1966861
>Better than you need tier:
Hilti, Mac, Fein, Festool/Protool, Ingersol Rand, Snap On, Professional Panasonics, Nemo Underwater

>"Good drill" tier
Dewalt, Makita, Milwaukee, Blue Bosch, Metabo HPT

>"high end home-use" tier
24v Kobalt, Ridgid

>good enough for around the house tier
Ryobi, Hart (re-branded Ryobi for Wal Mart), Porter Cable, Black and Decker, Craftsman, Worx, Stanley

>Chinese flea market tier
Chicago Electric, Wen, Hercules, Bauer, Earthquake

>literally who tier
Greenworks, Genesis, Rockwell, Triton, everything else

>>1975311
Half this list makes no sense.

Lots of the top tier aren’t any better than the second tier. They’re years behind in R&D and only reason to use them is if your company is in bed with a company rep.

The “Chinese Flea Market” part was added later by somebody who burnt out a $15 drill from HF, the original author didn’t know the store existed.

>>1967238
Makita makes the best grinders and circ saw, their miter saw and sanders are good too.

>>1971551
>the poorfag version

>>1975311
>better than you need tier is actually worse than good drill tier

>Specialty
Hilti, Festool, ...

>High Voltage. Powers table saws, chain saws, large rotary hammers. On par with corded power tools and light gas powered equipment

DeWalt Flex Volt, Milwaukee High Output XC, Makita 40V and Makita 18x2, Metabo HPT Multi-volt.

>Contractor tier. Typically brushless motors. Only customers who buy them are contractors who have high run time and can't afford to have substandard power. Larger tool lineup.

Milwaukee Fuel, Dewalt XR, Makita LXT, Bosch Core 18V, Metabo HPT 18V

>Budget Contractor tier. Brushed motors or less features. Sweet spot for workers who have to bring power tools to their job.

Milwaukee M18, DeWalt Max, Makita Compact, Metabo HPT Black, Ridgid Octane, Kobalt XTR, (((Hercules)))

>Home use. Typically smaller sized tools, slightly under powered. Else full sized tools which are affordable but a very limited tool lineup.

Milwaukee M12, DeWalt Atomic, Makita Sub Compact, Bosch 12V, Ridgid, Kobalt 24V, Ryobi One Plus, Craftsman, Bauer

>Value. Need something done in the least amount of cost as possible

Ryobi, Hart, Skil, Chicago Electric, Worx, Black and Decker, random Amazon brand

>>1975180
This. With cordless, choose a brand that has the tools you need to get the job done. It's no good buying Hilti if all you are doing is putting shelves up in a stud wall. Likewise, it's useless buying Ryobi if you need to install lots of heavy duty fixtures into concrete, half way up a mountain. Each line of tools, from each brand is design for either light, medium or heavy work.

>>1975362
At least you put B&D lower than the other list. I think you’re missing on the new Skil tools though, they probably deserve to be above Chicago Electric.

(((Hercules)))- 90-Day Warranty

Does anybody actually buy that stuff?

old tools you can find for free
>someone's grandpa bought for diy use in 1960 whatever year
>gets passed around for half a century
>still works

>>1975335
"Better than you need tier" refers to tools designed for specialty applications or high demand environments that are above what regular "prosumers" will ever come across. Some brands still built equipment for heavy use and don't cut corners to keep prices low. Dewalt drills are fine for building houses but not for repeated duty cycles in a manufacturing environment where they are constantly used by 3x 8 hour crew shifts.

Ave touches on this when he breaks down high end tools, things like Hilti power cords using a different rubber that won't freeze or Ingersoll Rand impact wrenches using larger anvils than Milwaukee that will last longer even if peak torque is lower. Panasonic drills have a higher waterproof rating than normal drills and are commonly used in specialty clean room environments.

My Hilti has served very well for 4 years of use. {note I'm a locksmith so that's really the only reason I have
Hilti)

>>1967212

Ryobi isn't bad, I've got friends who use their shit and have no complaints, hell I would have gone that route too if I didn't get all of my DeWalt shit on sale.

>>1966874
found the husky owner

>>1968545
>they'll die and get replaced or upgraded.
So you buy them and then have to deal with the inconvenience of them dying and then you spend more money anyway on another tool?
Why not just buy a nicer tool to begin with?

>>1966874
gr8 b8 m8

>>1969340
>milwaukee
fuck off shill.

>>1966861
Fucking hell, can't seem to pick one? It's been a week.

>>1977082
>average bosch professional enjoyer

>>1977083
Jokes on you, I use my finger nails to pull out screws.

>>1975512
>weighs 5 kg
>electrocutes you

Hitachi you faggots

>>1967190
>5 in the poo
Nice logo.
Lots of junk but I've bought a few good tools from them, one was a 10 gal compressor for $50 that lasted years.

everybody's listing power tools what about hand tools?

>>1977959
Depends on which tool. Some companies make certain things good and other things are mediocre.

SK, Proto, Williams, Wright in the US. The tool truck companies too but they’re so overpriced because or an outdated sales system and barely worth mentioning unless you’re friends with the rep or have the student discounts. Ridgid for some plumbing tools. Klein, Greenlee, Ideal for some pliers and screwdrivers and other electrical tools. A few German companies, 2 do screwdrivers well and a third for pliers.

>>1977082
Clearly Milwaukee

>>1966861
/makita/

DeWalt = xbone
Milwaukee = PS4
Makita = Switch

>>1977959
I'm finding Irwin tools are pretty good without being too expensive.

>>1967463
Strapon....

>>1967463
That looks terrible. If it had a budget brand name on it, you would all be laughing at it.

>>1966861
Fisher Price.

w-what about Einhell? Any germanbros? Is it Lidl-tier?

>>1967490
This.

Everybody I ever knew with the 1/2” Snappy impacts were always like “Mine is out for service, can I borrow yours?” Those brushed ones get weak after some use, the warranty is shitty, I think they charge like $150 for the rebuild and it takes a couple weeks minimum. And they cost twice as much as Milwaukee while being weaker and “Made of Global Materials”.

>>1967499
It’s the same thing as Snap On. It’s an outdated sales and service model and only makes sense if you have a good rep and take advantage of everything the rep offers. And even then, Milwaukee and DeWalt are so good for reasonable prices and a good warranty. Worst case scenario you can go buy a second Milwaukee while the first one is out for warranty and it will still be cheaper than buying one Snappy.

Hilti is trying to break into the Home Depot- “Prosumer” market though, we’ll see what happens. Their 12v tools are close to M12 Fuel in price.

>>1968081
That sounds like bullshit. From the pics and videos I have seen of green Bosch, it’s definitely lower tier than the blue Bosch sold here.

>>1968654
Because the companies will sell you 5 tools for $250 and not really make any money until you’re locked into that platform and spend $500 on batteries over the next 10 years.

>>1975311
Look at this retard.

I work as a repairman for one of the "better than you need tier" companies and the only thing that matters is fleet support. Tools nowadays are built with timed obsolences in mind to fuck with retards who want to outright buy instead of renting a fleet. The best companies will gladly take in your shitstain of a tool and repair it without any hassle. Trust me, all of them are shitters.

>Dewalt drills good
Hahahahahaha

>>1978669
It's good enough for home-use, slightly above Lidl-tier but nothing you'd use for work.

>>1966861
Makita is clearly the highest quality in that pic.
Makita or Dewalt imo, most rest are trash but there are a few other anons mentioned that are probably fine too but I can't say for those.

>>1966861
Dremal

>>1978783
that particular model (Makita XDT16Z) is actually very well reviewed, it has far better speed and application controls than other impact models out there and beats out the competition in head to head challenges.