/diy/ - Do It Yourself

>>1956089
do you like your body parts?

idiot.

>>1956089
it's easy way to spot poorfags just by counting their fingers

>>1956089
Frankly, if it didn't cost more for the saw than it does for finger reattachment surgery, it would be a safety feature I would like to have.

Also a shame it destroys your blade and the stopper mechanism if you forget you're cutting wet wood and don't turn off the setting.

Buy a low end altendorf. Bout the same and WAY the fuck better.

>>1956089
I use a push block like an old fag.

>>1956089
A neat safety feature but anything that reduces your focus to less than 100% is a hazard.

>>1956089
Its a meme with a owner who is trying to actively kill your hobby.
In 2021 their patent runs out and Bosch Reaxx will go back on the market
If you want a safety saw, buy the bosch. Its better in every single category

>>1956089
If he had true faith in his product, he’d use his own finger

>>1956089
I was going with the grizzly and my wife told me to get the SS. The fence sucks but the rest is great on the PCS. Worth the money if your looking for something in that price range and in my line of work (programming) if I lose some fingers I'm F'ed so the assurances are worth it. If I bought again though I would go with the grizzly and get a nice jointer or planer to go with it.

>>1956172
With the recent patent they filed (a small change to something to extend it) it looks like 2024.

>>1956172
you have no clue what you are talking about. show me which bosch saw is better than a sawstop? that piece of shit folding job site saw? we are talking real table saws. go cut your tubafers in the corner while the big boys discuss cabinet saws

sawstop make probably the best sub-industrial table saw out there. they are just expensive which is the shame. not a meme though

>>1956245
Good luck trying to skirt patent laws.
You can "file" any patent you want, whether it will actually be granted is a different story.

>>1956253
Bosch objectively has the better safety mechanism
I get it, you like jerking off to a $800 saw with w $3000 price tag. Good on you. The price tag doesnt change reality.

If you want an actual cabinet saw, you arent using stupid safety mechanisms anyways.

>>1956253
You have no clue what you're talking about if you're not familiar with the Bosch saw he was referring to. And the big boys work in the field not a climate-controlled shop. They're drunker and meaner than you too. Better off buying an old powermatic or something if you want a good cabinet saw.

>>1956089
shop teacher cut off three of his fingers a few years after I graduated

>>1956346
The thing with the Bosch Reaxx is that it was never really on the market in the USA, and the test saws given out for review were only jobsite saws.
Once Bosch comes out as a competitor to SawStop, they are going to have more than 1 model, and more than likely will have a cabinet saw as a direct competitor.
Then the jobsite saws are going to eat sawstops fucking lunch, seeing how Sawstop is neglecting that market.

>>1956094
How m my any people do you actually know with this saw? How many people do you know that don’t have this saw and still have all their fingers shit for brains?

Don’t ever post again.

>>1956089
you only live once

>>1956371
If you need a saw to protect you from your own poor actions, maybe you deserve to lose some fingers

>>1956089
How does this work?

>>1956405
When the blade senses an electrical current, the saw stop brake blows off.
It shoves an aluminum block into the blade and jerks the trunion down and out of the way.

Yes, if you hit a nail or staple it will false detect. Yes if you wood is green or damp it will false detect.
It costs $80 to replace the brake, and it ruins your expensive table saw blades.

But dont worry, you can always disable the saftey altogether if you think you have dampish wood.

If only they could have designed the trunion to simply move the blade out of the way without destroying it, and made the brake cartridges less than half of the price.
Oh wait, Bosch already did that

>>1956089
it's a meme
safety gadgets ruin the aesthetic of power tools and i'd unironically rather lose a few fingers than be that much of a fag about using them

>>1956371
see, even this retard has eight left! he's good to go

>>1956371
How exactly do you do that? Lean over the table saw and pull wood towards you?

>>1956089
>Is saw stop a meme or worth it?
both

They're not bad saws at all, pretty good heavy build quality. It's a great idea and it works. Just expensive.

if a blade guard isn't enough for you to not cut your fingers off I think you need to invest in some adderall instead

>>1956371
how do you take two fingers off, were you in a race?

>>1956089

I will never understand why this company arouses such passions. If you think the extra safety is worth it, then good for you. It is your wallet. If you think safety is gay, then good for you, it is your hand. People here seem to have it out for Saw Stop or Bosch.

>>1956518
Iirc most amputations are not from feeding your hand through the saw, but from uncontrollable motion during a kickback.

>>1956549
How does kickback cause someone to flail their hand into the blade?

Hold the piece firmly, fence parallel with blade, don't use blunted blades, stable table (bolted to floor?), feed slowly and uniformly, don't overstack the piece, know what you are cutting, don't let dust obscure your vision.

>>1956089
People say they trust their fingers with it but what about their penises?

>>1956141
Wet wood will not make it malfunction.

>>1956089
Nah. Massive waste of money. Just don't stick your body parts into the blade, it's easy. And don't use a fence like in that pic, it's as like as not gonna kick.

>>1956549
Nope. Most of them are caused by simple inattention. You should be 100% focused using machines like these, then you get to keep all your parts attached.

>>1956661
I lock my doors and wear ear plugs so some faggot doesn't come walking in and startle me.

why not just keep your fingers away from the blade?

Pay attention, and tell people not to talk to you when the machine is on. I've told my wife like 10x and she still does it though ..

Also, make sure you can hear that the machine is even while using hearing protection.
Dude on YT chopped all his fingers off recently cause his earmuffs were so good he couldn't hear his jointer running and forgot to turn it off.

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>>1956089
How does it werk?

>>1956089
lol im not sure how does it even work?

>>1956703
oh dude i think i know who are are talking ABOUT on yt. i feel so bad for the guy. man women are so fucking stupid.
yeah be careful guys. always think think think when u use tools and sharp shit.

>>1956681
99% of the danger is removied by using a riving knife. Shit can still happen and you can do something dumb.

>>1956738
Capacity, electronics. When you touch it, electricity fires explosive charges and put a huge chunk into your saw blade that. Ot only stop it quickly but also sucks it down below the table.

>>1956747
woah holy shit thats cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynEdke5dzIU&ab_channel=SCMGroupAustraliaPty.Ltd

>>1956549
So get a finger board or kick back guard. Its a fucking saw not an automatic piece of equipment. Flail your hands all you want using both of these items. You will be fine.

>>1956745
>riving knife
This. Its the best safety feature on a saw.

>>1956549
>I will never understand why this company arouses such passions.
>If you think the extra safety is worth it, then good for you. It is your wallet. If you think safety is gay, then good for you, it is your hand

You want to know why people hate Sawstop?
Because they have been actively lobbying for years to create a GOVERNMENT MANDATE to have the sawstop system by implemented in ALL new tablesaws going forward.
Not only that, they have held 100+ different patents that are vague and stop ANYONE else from manufacturing anything even close to a saw brake, electrical sensing system, or a saw trunion retraction for safety (IE the only ways to make a safer saw)

So no, if they have it their way it wouldnt be up to your wallet. And even worse, you wouldnt have the choice between different manufacturers for the much more expensive and complicated saws, you would be stuck with the sawstop destroy your blade system.

On principle I will never support SawStop, and if you dont like overbearing bureaucracy of your hobby or patent trolling, you shouldnt either.

>>1956755
Paying $80 per cartridge and destroying your $100 blade just because you accidently hit a nail in your wood is not "cool".

>>1957074
Poorfag detected

>>1957084
When you use a saw to make a living, $180 plus downtime for bolting in a new cartridge and replacing the blade right in the middle of a job?
Have fun anon.

>>1956518
Oh, wow, I never even thought of a wrap around the fence pusher like that. Going to make one for the thin strips I rip tomorrow.

>>1956551
I knew a guy who hit a knot in wood and had the board kick up and knock him out. He fell forward onto the saw and eventually regained consciousness. Turned the saw off and called 911. Really lucky he didn’t hit anything that bled faster when he fell on the saw.

>>1957086
Why are you sawing through nail with your $100 blade anon? Also the blade would have to be in contact with you or the chassis

>>1957223
Same reason you might accidentally set it off with dampish wood.
Shit happens.

The saw is a burden, and outside of a high school shop is pretty much not worth it.

I don’t understand how people accidentally cut their fingers off. Can someone explain it to me? Are they just inattentive and touch an active blade? Do they not use triggers or pedals of any kind? I’ve always used a block as well

>>1957071
>GOVERNMENT MANDATE
joke's on them, my table saw is a skilsaw bolted upside down to some plywood

>>1957244
When the saw catches the wood strange things happen. You'd don't always react in the way you'd expect. Same thing with radial arm saws. You look at it and say that the carriage runs in a track; keep your nubs out of the path and you will never get hurt. Well, shit happens.

>>1957071
'member Volvo? They invented seatbelts and opened up the patient so everyone could have safer cars.
If only sawstop was as Swedish.

>>1957219
That could have been prevented with a bladeguard
You americans are really strage when it comes to table saws.

>>1957234
It doesn't get set off by wet wood iirc. Some guy on YouTube tested it.

>>1956554
>Wet wood will not make it malfunction.
Yes, it literally will make it trip by accident.

>>1957219
>I knew a guy who hit a knot in wood and had the board kick up and knock him out. He fell forward onto the saw and eventually regained consciousness. Turned the saw off and called 911. Really lucky he didn’t hit anything that bled faster when he fell on the saw.
Sawstop does nothing more than a normal saw to prevent kickback.
It’s one of the safety issues, since people might not realize and think the saw is “Safe”.

>>1957497
>It doesn't get set off by wet wood iirc

Wrong, its been a huge complaint since the saw came to the market

>>1957319
How so?
Every saw legally has to have a bladeguard and riving knife with it, so its not like we dont have them.
At least we are legally allowed to Dado with our saws.

>>1957497
>>1956554
https://www.reddit.com/r/woodworking/comments/451vbk/sawstop_triggered_on_wet_glue/

>>1956463
Not OP but you feed wood with two hands and no riving knife and the right side gets caught, so you wiggle the board a millimeter to get it moving, then get hit in the face by a board, some blood and a pair of fingers

>>1956551
There are YouTube videos. Look up intentional kickbacks. One guy accidentally actually touches the side of the blade.

>>1956551
Go look here
>>1957754

>>1956417 you can cut nails and staples just fine bc they aren't grounded. itt people who don't know how electricity works

>>1958336
So if I were thick insulating rubber soles and are not grounded it stops working?

Are you trolling or just retarded?

>>1958360
Yes, no safety is perfect

>>1959075
So you think Sawstop designed their detection system with construction workers being barefoot in mind?

>>1956551
Kickback doesnt "kickback", it pulls the piece of wood into the blade rapidly because its caught, pulling your hand into the blade, and then spitting the wood back out.

>>1956141
You get a new stopper for free by sending it into them if it hits a body part.

>>1956357
Idk about eating their lunch. The SS are fairly high quality now. Would be interesting though if bosch leased the patent to people like grizzly.
>>1956417
I've seen people who got into bosch accidents vs SS. No comparison SS saves fingers completely. Bosch leaves you with severed ones.

>>1956089
meme or not i'd rather have that than nothing.

>>1961346
>I've seen people who got into bosch accidents vs SS.
Go on and prove it anon. The Reaxx saws were taken off the market in Bongland shortly after being released, and were NEVER released in the USA aside from some review units.
You wouldnt be lying because you are a sawstop fanboy are you?

>>1956745
Also using the fucking guard. I don't know why so many retards take off the guard / dust collector and riving knife. I keep all that safety shit on my sawstop unless I need to do some dado cuts.

Someone managed to come up with a similar but different enough detection mechanism to circumvent the SawStop patents:
https://www.felder-group.com/en-ca/products/sliding-table-saws-c1947/sliding-table-panel-saw-kappa-550-e-motion-pcs-p65110
The problem is that they only make CNC sliding table saws so you're paying something like 20k for it.

>>1958113
It wouldn't have prevented the kick but when he landed down onto the saw I'm fairly confident a sawstop would have significantly reduced bloodshed and/or whatever other damage to his body the blade may have caused.

>>1957244

Sometimes it's stupid inattention but quite frequently it's the wood kicks back in some unexpected way and throws the operator off balance. Shit really can happen too fast to have an appropriate reaction. The kickback might even knock the operator out (see a few posts up) and all bets are off at that point.

Oh, and yes, most consumer grade saws here do not feature a dead man switch/pedal.

>>1957247

Sweet. Is it easy to un/bolt or do you just have a second skillsaw for when you need one?

>>1958360
>>1959075
>>1958336

Ponder this. If you're wearing rubber sole shoes, are you unable to use the screen on your cellphone?
Now, are you able to use a nail as a stylus on a cellphone?

Why is this relevant? 99+% modern touch screen devices use capacitive touch technology, which is what the SS uses to detect contact with skin. There is some minor difference in implementation (mainly with conducting to the detecting circuit, thus a nail should trip the SS *if* the nail is also in contact with the person or conductive part of the table, but otherwise it should not), but the overall concept is similar.

>>1958336
>"itt people who don't know how electricity works"
>t. person with absolutely no idea how electricity works

>>1961495
Not really.
A capacitive touch sensor is a conductive plate under a dielectric. If you bring another conductive plate over it (i.e. your finger) it creates a capacitor. And you have a circuit to detect that created capacitance.

SawStop in contrast already forms a complete capacitor. One plate is the sawblade, the other is a metal part near the blade. This allows the electronics to transfer an AC signal to the blade through capacitive coupling without the need of brushes or similar. The SawStop system then reads back the signal and watches for any changes.

>>1956089
This guy's finger got cut pretty bad:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wJQn_UGAKY
around 7:30

>>1961365
There's videos on youtube. If you want a straight forward one there is a guy who tests the reacts and it cuts right through his palm before retracting.

>>1961542
That’s the guy who slams his hand onto the blade. Similar sawstop videos where they run the hot dog into the saw at full speed end up with about the same cut.

>>1957074
>>1957084
>>1957086
>>1957223
i think the problem is that company i think Bosch made products that use the same sensing but then retract the saw within milliseconds to save you while saving the blade.

sawstop then sued their superior competition out of the game.

>>1962645
This seems to be the case. Sawstop is $80 for one blade destroyer, plus the cost of a table saw blade (not cheap). Bosch is $80 for a 2x cut-stopper and doesn’t destroy your $40 blade. $120+ every time you run a piece of wood through that is a little too moist or your cell phone rings during a cut and sets it off. After a few $120 incoming text messages, dudes probably turn the safety mechanism off anyway.

At least it’s a good saw, like they didn’t patent the tech and put it on some Kickstarter project based on the cheapest Chinese saw they could find (think of the DOER box). And the 2 patents, supposedly one expired 2020 and the other in 2022, so they will be on shelves soon enough.

>>1956089
The reaxx is better in every conceivable way.

>>1956172
You can still buy them in Canada.

>>1962668
>Bosch is $80 for a 2x cut-stopper and doesn’t destroy your $40 blade.
The Felder system doesn't even need that.
Just hit a button after the safety engaged and you can use it again.

>>1956703
I saw the picture of that fuckers "hand".
Oh god.

>>1961537
Wow the fucking thing really works doesn't it?