/diy/ - Do It Yourself

>>1936345
>And how much daily energy would it take?
A lot, invest in solar panels.
>how many of them do I need?
forget boxes, you'll need at least a whole room full. Don't forget you'll be vegetarian unless you raise your own livestock

>>1936351
Can I feed all the plants with the results of a composting toilet alone?

>>1936368

You may need to contract with a nightman.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_soil

>>1936351
>invest in solar panels

>>1936351
>Don't forget you'll be vegetarian unless you raise your own livestock
Insects are easier to breed and maintain in a smaller home. They also provide more nutrition by weight.

>>1936351
>The Jew fears the indoor chicken farmer

>>1936345
if you use potatos or rubarb you do not need sunlight

>>1936378
incredible

>>1936394
How retarded are you anon? Tubers require light, perhaps not full light, but at minimum 6 hours daily. You weren't one of the "gardeners" at the CHOP zone were you?

>>1936378
if only there was a way to get rid of the lights and the solar

>>1936627
use sunlight for gardening? Are you mad? We must use coal.

>>1936345
>produce my food entirely from grow boxes

thats not how you use grow boxes

>>1936656
he's most likely either
a. an urbanite
b. scandi/irish (i.e. short growing season/bad climate)

in either case, the answer is no; the sheer amount of grow boxes you'd need to supply an average of 2k calories per day is pretty much not gonna happen in an economically feasible manner.

growing a few boutique type things in the winter is one thing. if you have the space start investing in some greenhouses. if you don't have the space for that, then you're SOL.

>>1936379
They also don't properly filter out waste thanks to an open vascular system. Anyone that recommends insect as a meat substitute is a retard. Mushrooms are way better, bugs are only for cheapskates.

I like how this thread has serious replies.

>>1936345
too many m8, too many.

currently running the numbers on growing Saffron, that seems much more realistic.

>>1936345
you can buy a fuck ton of vegetables for the operating costs alone not to mention all the initial costs especially the lights. it makes absolutely zero sense unless you're just doing it for fun.

check out Jeb Gardener on youtube. He has a bunch of video on this topic. Very educational and emotional.

>>1936345
I have no idea how much you would need. I'm not sure what's wrong with natural sunlight.

Aquaponics are an option, the fish produce fertilizer for the plants. You can also eat the fish. I'm not sure what inputs you need.

I hear mushrooms are sometimes grown in war zones.

https://web.archive.org/web/20200809171952/https://www.businessinsider.com.au/syria-refugees-mushrooms-civil-war-2020-1

If you have limited space and sunlight. They might also be useful for surviving the war zone of modern capitalism.

the only way to be somewhat self sufficient is to grow a lot outdoor during summer then bring all your more exotic stuff in a grow tent with a light, a good growlight, if you dont your plants are gonna suffer by lack of light but when conditions arent optimal, a lot more problems come like bugs and mold. ventilation is also obligatory, know what amperage you have on a plug and NEVER overload them. all of this will cost a lot of money especially if you want to do it on a big scale, its rewarding if you like gardening like i do but if the goal is to eat 100% what you grow, you'll quickly realise it cost a fuckload. you can use compost as fertilizer but it will smell funky for a while indoor. If you want to do lettuce and all that stuff, learn about hydroponics, it will save a lot of space and time if well done, herbs are good to grow indoor as they will make everything you make tastier and tend to be compact plants. smaller tomato varieties are also good indoor but prune them as they will take a lot of space otherwise. Forget about anything that has leaves like cucumbers or melons, they take way too much space. Start them early indoor, put them outside. If you plan on doing fruits (outdoor), graft a lot of varieties together for maximum cross pollination and space saving. Citrus are a good choise for indoor as they seem to fruit all year long, again grafting is key cause you will be tired of eating the same stuff. Key to gardening is be patient, be disciplined, see the problems coming before they arrive because they will

>>1937423
>I'm not sure what's wrong with natural sunlight.
most /innawoods/ cucks are 20yo's living in apartments

>>1936378
Kek

>>1936910
is that a big chocolate bar?

>>1937423
>I'm not sure what's wrong with natural sunlight

winter is what's wrong. sure you can try to grow using light coming through your windows but a lot of plants won't do very well plus daylights hours during winter is pretty shit.

>>1936345
Honestly wouldn't recommend doing this at all. Grow expensive plants and herbs or microgreens and sell them for an actual profit. Growing enough food to feed yourself in a bunch of tiny boxes will probably not even cover the electric bill in money saved from not having to buy produce at the store. If you do end up doing this, build an entire room in your house or appartment into a greenhouse and cover the walls with mylar or panda film to reflect as much light as you can to your plants.
>>1937423
Seconding mushrooms. Oysters and lion's mane literally can grow from pretty much anything even cardboard or shredded paper or coffee. Chopped straw is the cheapest and best but the most convenient way is hardwood sawdust. Light isn't required but it helps them grow larger.
>>1937694
What are solar tubes

>>1936378
My sides

>>1937905
>solar tubes
too expensive. the entire point of growing in natural light is to keep costs low. it also doesn't solve the issue of winter having short days.

>>1937905
> will probably not even cover the electric bill in money saved from not having to buy produce at the store.
That's why I need solar palens

>build an entire room in your house or appartment into a greenhouse and cover the walls with mylar or panda film to reflect as much light as you can to your plants.
Would simple aluminium paper work as well?

>>1936378
kek

>>1939344
well just install lights and a sun roof then you can use power only when necessary

>>1937423
>I'm not sure what's wrong with natural sunlight.
I live in Finland. There's no such thing as natural sunlight until March.

>>1936351
Imagine the smell

>>1936378
fucking this

>>1940358
again it's the cost. neither of those things make economic sense just to grow a few vegetables. like i said earlier it's not worth doing unless it's just for fun and you know going in that you're just pissing away money. far better off just growing as much as possible outside and storing it for winter

>>1936376
>not anticipating the opportunity to make an obscure reference to a cable sitcom airing 300 years later by telling your customers on your business card that "the nightman cometh"
but seriously, are we not going to talk about the fact that this guy killed Mr. Inbrook and took over the rubbish-carting business he so coveted

1. it's NEVER worth it
2. You will need a large-ish field or a humongous greenhouse.

2500kcal/day*365 days=912500kcal
Thats 270kg of whole grain wheat.
That's 900 sq. meters assuming 3000kg/hectare yield. If you want to be realistic you'd have to do 1.5-2.0x that area to not starve to death, weather permitting.

If you want to use artificial light, you'll have to block the real sunlight and install a shitton of LEDs, like literally an amazing amount of them.

Best luck to you, and I hope next time you buy a pack of flour for 0.5€ you can better appreciate how nice it is that you don't have to grow it yourself like people did for thousands of years.

OP gets a wild hair up his ass to do something (he has no skills, money, or tools).
OP posts a vague and badly worded description in new thread.
Anons see post and are intrigued but doubtful that OP has any ability.
Anons ask for more info.
OP gives terse responses or one word answers.
Anons ask for more info.
OP rages that no one is helping him, or at any rightly deserved criticism.
Anons alternate between asking for more info and taking the piss out of OP.
OP now has 2 choices stop being a dick and answer the questions with useful info or going apeshit and throwing a tantrum.
Anons help OP or figuratively beat the shit out of him.

>>1936378
KEK

>>1936368
human waste takes a lot longer than regular compost to break down to use safely.

potatoes are pretty easy. is tobbaco hard to grow? alcohol is sorta easy. power the fry daddy with a panel and get oil from plants.

>>1936378
This won't work. You need a proper feedback loop.

just get 2 or 3, grow pot in them
use the money you get from pot to buy groceries lel

>>1936378
If you grow in a greenhouse and use solar panels to charge batteries in the day then run supplemental LED growlights in the morning or evening you can efficiently extend the day period for your plants in northern climates so this isn't necessarily entirely retarded.

But yeah in general converting electricity into lettuce is not good if there are any other options.

>>1942923
works best if you grow potatoes and plug them into the loop potato-battery style for ultimate photoelectrochemical gainz

>>1936345
>And how much daily energy would it take

Power in the U.S. is average of 15 cents per kilowatt hour. So a 1000 watt LED grow light is $0.15/hr to run. How many hours are you running it per day, per week, per month? It will cost $72 to run that bulb 16 hours a day, every day for 30 days.

What do you spend on veggies every month? It might not be worth it. Depending on your crop, it could take weeks or months before your crops are ready for harvest so you'll want to stagger them so there's always enough of the right blend of nutrients ready at any given time. You'll want redundancy too incase of disease, pests, equipment failures etc.

What were you hoping to grow? What do you like?

I eat mostly meat. If we can find an easy way to grow beef and chicken, count me in.