/diy/ - Do It Yourself

I have all milwaukee cuz I'm kind of stuck with the batteries, but honestly they do kind of blow.

>>1936019
They're red.

Rad Coca Cola color scheme.

>>1936019
we already have brand fag threads

>>1936019
The 12V tools, that barrel battery makes the handles fat and it feels like a girthy schlong in my hand.

>>1936019
>american company
>chinkshit
do americans really?
anyway best quality is makita, and best quality for an honest price is Bosch

Go Makita if you can afford it or if you work with your tools a lot, else I'd just buy Bosch

>1970+50
>thinking any complex electrical device that a consumer can afford isn't made by chinks

>>1936019
because you can get good 15 dollar batteries that aren't locked down with firmware and they have the best selection of tools, and some of the best designs. don't buy red shit unless it's fuel though.

>>1936066
>'american' company
>owned by changs

>>1936019
They are good for automotive and electricians but suck dick for woodworking, that's why I prefer Makita/Bosch, not like i give a fuck about brands, 90% of what I use is corded

Their 12V tools have no genuine competition. Every other lineup either uses those chunky slide in battery packs, is too limited, or too underpowered/featured. The ratchets alone are worth the battery tax and if you already have an 18V charger then you also already have a 12V charger. The drill and driver kit(s) regularly goes on sale and since I bought them I stopped using my full-size 18V Makita stuff because they’re so much more convenient and nicer to use. I also have the 3/8 stubby which is fucking amazing to have when working on rusty fasteners up to ~17mm. The die grinders, polisher, right angle impact, and other odds and ends all look like handy tools as well.

>>1936019
Because hobbyists can't afford real tools.

>>1936019
Ryobi>all

>>1936064
Doesn't the battery last like only 5 minutes? I can't imagine you get through even one project without having at least three of those things charged.

>>1936296
Nah. An impact driver will go through quite a few deck screws on a 2.0Ah project, you would be surprised. Not sure how long the 1.5Ah packs would run cutting metal with a hackzall, but you can easily get thru most afternoon projects on one charge with 12v drills and impact drivers. The M12 tools are definitely tech tools though, whether you’re zipping off a bunch of electrical panel covers or dealing with car engine covers and trim pieces, you can easily get a couple days work out of one charge.

The 12V packs are still 60% the power of the full size, so one of the 6.0Ah packs will run nearly as long as a 4.0Ah 18V pack, and 4.0Ah 18V packs in good health hold a whole lot of power, even when running saws pretty hard.

>>1936302
I have a 3ah for my ryobi drill, but that barely lasts 2 hours of constant use. I really find it hard to believe those packs are anymore than .5ah, much less 6.

Their hand tools are good but never was a fan of their power tools.

>>1936305
>.5ah
You have no idea what you are talking about

And if you’re running a cordless drill continuously for 2 hours without letting off the trigger, you are likely using the wrong tool for the job.

>>1936373

are you fucking retarded? "two hours of continuous use" does not mean he held the trigger down for two hours, how the FUCK can you even think that?? it means he used it normally over the course of two hours. fucking autistic piece of shit you are, honestly. and you made your whiny little faggot post to bitch about your gay misapprehension???? what the fuck is the point of this shit?

>>1936500
I use my drill for 2 hours all the time. If I'm driving 5 lbs of screws I tape the trigger. I use it with a screw gun adapter.

>>1936500
>"two hours of continuous use" does not mean he held the trigger down for two hours
Well, actually, I was scraping rust off an awning which took about 5 hours or so. So, I wasn't holding the trigger down for 2 hours straight, but close to that.

I also have a 1.5ah or so, and that lasts 45 minutes or so. But I just can't see those tiny Milwaulkee battery's competing. The ah rating isn't an objective barometer. The chemical make up of the battery and how it's engineered can vary, and I just can't see those tiny battery's performing against larger ones of the same ah rating.

>>1936539
>The chemical make up of the battery and how it's engineered can vary, and I just can't see those tiny battery's performing against larger ones of the same ah rating.
lmoa, fucking what

>>1936541
>lmoa, fucking what

What? He's correct.

t. international battery expert

>>1936530

that's interesting, and it makes sense. thank you for sharing

>>1936539

I agree with everything you said. so many people do not understand that Ah is not an objective rating, it's just a measurement of that particular battery design's technical capacity. real-world conditions, including the details of how the battery and the device it's powering are engineered (and what mistakes they made in the process), will influence the actual performance of the battery.

batteries aren't perfect objects, they're sort of 'alive', in a way, and how they 'behave' is subject to all sorts of factors.

I don't understand the milwaukee hate. Which tools do people hate, and why? My job has supplied us, the peons, with a range of milwaukee power tools and they all work pretty well. we probably have something like 30 milwaukee power tools across all of our crews. I personally prefer dewalt and use my own dewalt stuff most of the time at work, but the milwaukee tools are great. We use the impact, drill, small sawzall, leaf blower (makes cleanup a breeze, seriously try it sometime), box vac, radio, fan, lantern, all kinds of their stuff. none of it has broke yet and it all works great....and this is with us working primarily outdoors in hot, wet environments. for that matter none of my dewalt tools have broken either and I abuse the shit out of them (including dropping them 20' onto concrete floors repeatedly in the past because I was too proud/dumb to tether it). I think pretty much any of the major brands are more than enough for anyone, including professionals, and this brand war stuff is just people with too much time on their hands. just buy whatever you prefer, it's not like they don't let you into heaven if you pick the wrong one (but if they did, they would obviously turn back the people who bought makita)

in my opinion, milwaukee's tools look very nice. I think they definitely win for style out of all the major brands. I also like their random little things like gloves, markers, etc...those are all pretty well-made. their packout 'system' is a scam, people who buy them should have their heads examined...they do look ridiculously nice and work pretty well, but the price attached to them is outrageous. the little details about milwaukee tools like how the buttons feel or the way you attach stuff annoys the crap out of me (which is why my personal stuff is dewalt), but it probably doesn't annoy other people.

>>1936568
Milwaukee has alot of problems with the triggers shitting the bed.

>>1936568
People hate whatever tools they don't have
You have Milwaukee so you like them

>>1936568
loq IQ people develop brand loyalty. high IQ people use the tools that get the job done.

>>1936573
my job gave us milwaukee, I own dewalt, I've used makita, ryobi, ridgid, kobalt, harbor freight garbage, 30+ year old vintage stuff somebody found in an attic...I don't care what color it is as long as it works for me.

>>1936575
I hate to think of them as being low IQ because that's rude and I've known many low IQ people who weren't this way about tools. I think these people are just bored and need to spend more time using their tools and less time talking about them

>>1936560
>Ah is not an objective rating, it's just a measurement of that particular battery design's technical capacity

>it's not an objective rating, it's just a measurement of an objective rating

I get what you mean and it's technically correct, but it's still a retarded statement. The only situations in which a battery should fail to deliver close to its rated capacity are:

1.) It was lied about in the fist place, which happens way too often
2.) It's very cold
3.) It's very old

There are certainly batteries that are made better and batteries that are made worse. However, without getting into the extremes of either, you won't see significant differences in performance. Especially in terms of capacity (again, barring misleading or outright fabricated ratings).

>>1936578
it's a meme that plays on people's weird desire to be associated with high IQ, as if it matters more than actually doing something.

>>1936582
>I get what you mean and it's technically correct, but it's still a retarded statement.

yeah, I didn't word that very well

you're correct, you shouldn't see huge performance differences in the real world unless it meets one of the three conditions you outlined. I'll throw my two cents in and say that you should include a fourth condition worded something like "It is damaged.", which is especially irritating with batteries since it's so difficult to see inside of them and measure what they're actually doing. you can ruin a perfectly good battery by using the wrong charger, or dropping it, or all kinds of things, and you'd never know because it looks exactly the same on the outside.

They're one of the most aggressive R&D because they don't claim to be made in America. They develop and design in the US, and have it made overseas. Much of that dirty secret is hidden because they also have a huge outreach programs to large contractors and to local building unions.

With cheap manufacturing and high R&D, they offer most developed power tool lineup, their powered tools are durable, many of their power tools are top performers in their class, and they make inroads to specific trade related power tools. Sure Makita and Dewalt have their one-off trade tools, but Milwaukee has events where they'll convert an entire line (which often are third parties relying on Makita 18V) into their own thing.

Their hand tools aren't great, and I don't use them.

Most of the electrical contractors I've worked for have migrated to Milwaukee.

I'm DIY, I don't do much side work, and I don't own Milwaukee at home.

>>1936019
Their nailers are very good. I like some of their other tools but I just buy whichever tool is best between Dewalt, Makita & Milwaukee.
Dewalt:
-jigsaw
-router
-palm sander
-oscillating multi-tool

Makita:
-planer
-circular saws (rear handle & subcompact)
-track saw (only Mafell or Festool is better in my exp.)
-angle grinder (need adjustable speed & paddle trigger)
-drills & impacts are good

Milwaukee:
-super sawzall
-sidewinder 7 1/4 circular for framing
-hackzall
-deep-cut band saw
-job site lighting
-nailers & staplers (framing, 15g finish, brad, narrow crown & 12v t50)
-m12 lineup is frickin’ great.

>>1936064
These tools look like they are made for american niggers that love the feeling of putting a "magazine" into a "gun" and pulling the "trigger". Typical Americans.

because they work?

I don't like the batteries but they make alright tools. The chargers are shit as well though. I wouldn't buy anymore but a tool is a tool unless it doesn't do what I want or breaks immediately it's chill.

Seriously though they make some good stuff.

Your deluding yourself if you think any of the other brands aren't also making at least some of their components in China. You literally cannot print a circuit board en masse outside of China without paying a fuck load for it.

I'm in automotive, and I've started using more and more Milwaukee tools. I've got, in the 12v line, 3/8 and 1/2 stubby impacts, the drill and driver set, and the long reach 3/8 ratchet. In the 18 I've got a high torque impact, sawzal and grinder.

The diversity offered by their lineup is unbeatable. I'm planning on buying the right angle impact at some point too, shit looks handy for some of the spaces I get in to.

>>1936979
where else would you put the battery retard

>>1937047

>>1936539
>>1936541
>>1936541
>>1936558
why would they use different cells? they're all 18650s, it complicates things to have a bunch of different suppliers because of the regulatory requirements

>>1936019
Is Milwaukee Chink shit? It sounds so American though. And Makita is the reverse--sounds like chink shit but isn't? Wtf

>>1937528
Milwaukee is owned by a Chinese company, Makita is Jap and manufactures throughout the world

>>1937528
Milwaukee WAS and American brand. They were bought up by TTI which is a Chinese company. Makita IS a Japanese brand, but only select tools are actually manufactured in Japan. The stuff you actually see sitting on store shelves is all made in China, be it from TTI, Makita, Bosch, SB&D, or even the boutique meme tool shit. What people don’t seem to understand about China is that, like anywhere else, there’s more than one fucking guy making all this stuff. Some factories produce better materials/products than others, but also like anything else higher quality tends to command a higher price. This is why India is set to be the next big industrial complex. China isn’t as dirt cheap and exploitable as it used to be.

>>1936979
It’s sort of fun, it would be better if they put the battery release button up by the trigger lock.

It works quite well with 3x 18650s though, and it’s definitely the most compact battery setup on a line of tools that is supposed to be compact, use the empty space in the handle. Makita did it on their last gen 12V tools and their older NiCd tools and then changed the newer 12V it to the slide pack style, which was retarded because at least DeWalt’s 12V slide packs will fit on a 20V charger but Makita doesn’t have that compatibility. Snap On has 14.4v tools with 4 cells, 2 are in the handle and 2 lay flat on the bottom, so at least that design keeps the tool thin.

>milwaukee
>chinkshit
do your research

>>1937830
>brand created in burgerland
>bought and now owned by chinks
>made in chinkland
RESEARCH COMPLETED
CHINKSHIT CONFIRMED
YOU'RE A BIG BUTT FUCKING FAGGOT ALSO CONFIRMED

>>1937947

I looked it up and it says the parent company of Milwaukee is based in Hong Kong and I think they hate China even more than you.

>>1936019
The other two are chinkshit too, just one is "assembled" in the US with chinkshit imports.

>>1936019
Sawzall's are based af

I use a 12v screwgun to drive 10-32 screws 10's of hours a week. Gun tapped out after 3 years, battery life is ok tho.