/diy/ - Do It Yourself

>>1889515
No OP, it's for real. A table saw killed my mother. Lots easier to lurk /b/ now, but at what cost?

They are the most inherently dangerous common shop tool, because they involve using your hands to push the work towards a cutter, whose teeth surface speed happens to be ideal for slicing and dicing meat. So they're the most likely to cut your fingers off but probably not kill you.

Same reason why the mandoline is the most dangerous kitchen tool. You use your hands to move food towards the blade.

>>1889515
A chainsaw is more likely to kill you. Well not the saw itself, but the tree you are cutting.

>>1889515
My uncle was using a tablesaw once and the piece of wood kickbacked straight into my grandad's skull like conan hurling an axe at golgotha. It ricochet and hit my cousin festus and he's been retarded ever since. It's a shame because he was always such a bright kid.

>>1889522
>>1889524
Has anyone ever died using an impact driver? (not suicidally)

>>1889515
>most dangerous tool
You're thinking of angle grinders.

>>1889529
>sparks
>dangerous

>>1889527
I'm sure plenty of people have electrocuted themselves drilling into the wrong thing

No. Anything fixed in place is safer than something mobile like an angle grinder. Just take your time and understand that the machine you are using can hurt you.
There's also the saw stop if you've got the money. A bandsaw is a lot better for beginners but you won't be able to make large panels. A cirular saw jig(I forgot the name, it allows you to cut panels vertically) is a cheaper alternative and will perform as good as a table saw for panels but at a slower pace.

>>1889531
>sparks

>>1889531
>sparks

How many of these angle grinder accidents had no disc guard installed?
Any tool can be dangerous. The most dangerous tool is the low IQ moron operating a tool in a dangerous fashion.

>>1889531
>sparks

>>1889543
I saw one explode on a guy with no guard. He was lucky that not one piece hit direct skin, just his pants but nothing major. If his work partner was in front of him like he usually is, it would have hit him in the face.
The guard and PPE is no gaurantee, just like a seat belt.

>>1889543
I'd wager all of them.

You could still get hurt by a cut-off wheel failing with the guard installed, but I'd think it would be more likely to get you in the leg, or hit your coworker.

>>1889531
>sparks

The most dangerous is the chad angle grinder chainsaw disc.

The design is all fucked up. You literally can't use it safely because angle grinders don't have a proper tool path or fence or whatever like the shoe on a skilsaw or jigsaw to arrest kickback and obviously it's really easy to fuck up and feed the chainsaw wood so that it climb cuts and immediately throws itself into the users leg, which has an uncovered disc with flesh destroying teeth spinning at 9000 rpm. I have no idea why they sell these things.

>>1889556
Imagine dual wielding those on the jobsite

We can do better

>>1889556
>I have no idea why they sell these things.
They're nice for carving.

>>1889561
My god

>>1889577
Who the fuck trusts harbor freight for such a life or death tool??

>>1889520
A table saw stabbed my father. And raped my mother.

>>1889561
At least at that size its probably just a meme fun pic. Mostly because I'm not sure if the sheer torque and gyroscopic madness that will happen when it hits peak rpm is going to be fucking titanic- which should stop all but the most retarded and retard strength from having much to do with it.

However, the smaller ones...

>>1889515
I have a high quality table saw, I used to have a low quality table saw.
Each come with their own quirks that you can easily maim yourself with.
People get hurt when they lose focus and go on auto pilot.

The table saw is a tool you should never lose focus using because of its inherent nature.

>>1889543
>Any tool can be dangerous. The most dangerous tool is the low IQ moron operating a tool in a dangerous fashion.

The people you see get hurt are always experienced guys who take tools for granted because they are comfortable with them.
When you are comfortable, you get in a hurry, you lose focus and bad shit happens.

>>1889522
The only way to really kill you is kicking back a piece of wood and hitting you in the head or something.
If you dont have an industrial monster table saw, it probably wont be powerful enough to kickback and kill you.
Even a 100$ home depot special will break your fucking ribs with a kickback though.

>>1889556
The concept of those things is so irresponsible that I laugh anytime I remember that they exist.
Like, they shouldn't exist. But, they do. I can only imagine that what motivated the person who first made them, to put them in shelves was a cartoonish malice toward mankind.

>Well sonny you see the most dangerous tool is a dull blade

>>1889675
I bought a plain steel plywood blade for my table saw to cut MDF and plywood
It dulled after about 10 cuts, but I dont do MDF or Plywood a lot.
Every single time I go and use it, it burns and binds and is dangerous and I say "i need to replace this" but I never do.
Im surprised I havent had a kickback yet.

>>1889578
>when even ned flanders almost.loses his hand.

https://youtu.be/IIQu1e8DGUw

>>1889529
This. Absolutely this right here. I know so many people missing some fingers or at least part of then, because of angle grinders

>>1889556
Angle grinders without speed adjusters should be illegal desu. I can't say how many times this nigger decided to jump out of hands just because motor produced too much power than needed.

>most likely to maim you
Table saw
>most likely to blind you
Angle grinder
>most likely to kill you
Pic related.

>>1889522

>using your hands to push

Just don't, it's nice and all but fingers don't grow back and if you do the job for 30 years, you don't need that many accidents.

Nah, these things.

>>1889835
>most likely to kill you
>Pic related.

I've painted houses for 23 years with some of the stupidest crackheads in the world, and nobody has gotten killed by a stepladder, or even injured for that matter.

>>1889515

my old neighbour had a woodworking shop next to his house. He also missed a finger duo to said table saw tool. So yeah i guess its not a meme.

>>1889854
>So yeah i guess its not a meme.

Table saws are very dangerous if you don't know or don't follow the rules. Otherwise they aren't that bad. I know a guy who held on to the wrong end of the board and the blade grabbed it and pulled his hand in; he lost two fingers.

>>1889515
It's lathes.

>>1889834
Eh. I disagree. I've had more problems with binding and climbing while using 4-1/2" grinders spinning at <12,000rpm, than I have with 4-1/2" grinders running at 12,000rpm.
If my grinder had a speed adjuster, I'd basically never use it.

>>1889515
Check out a radial arm saw.... The old instruction manuals are now used as "What not to do" guides.

>>1889903
It is not about rip-ems, it is about powah

>>1889912
There's really only two operators of these left, survivors and people who know better
Mostly the fun times like running work parallel to the blade just hanging out at penis height and using yourself to manoeuvre it, just the joys of working with stuff across multiple axis of cut!

>>1889835
I worked with a guy, he was a roofer who fell off the top of a ladder. He destroyed his back, he was young but bad enough to be on some sort of disability. He sort of walked with a limp.
He smoked weed in the bathroom, he would take pain pills at lunch, and I would watch him crack open a beer on his way home from work every single day. The man was an alcoholic , had the splotchy and bloated alcoholic face and everything.

His relentless self medication is the only thing I think about when I see a ladder, it makes me sort of sad.

>>1890180
I should say he was early 20s when he broke his back, when I worked with him he was almost 40. So yeah, he actually drastically made his life worse that day, he didnt just suddenly get better 20 years later

>>1890180
Working at heights is kind of a funny business, I did it for a few years training people in rock climbing, double lanyard technical rigging, fast roping etc and it seems that the higher you go, the more care and attention that people pay to their safety and the training they absorb once they're in the death zone of a fall not being survivable. Everyone else in that 2-3 story high zone tends to be a bit cowboy and casual about it, you're not high enough to get vertigo, lot of the time they're just fucking around with chainsaws, paint brushes, power cleaners and the like + you don't really need any training to do it. Just turn up and essentially its 'don't fucking fall' as your job safety pep talk for the day.

I probably wouldn't ever do that stuff again professionally unless there was no easier way to feed my family, but its not the worst way to make a living either. Until your knees go!

>>1889527
My great uncle was taking a big trucks tire off with an impact. Old split rim. It exploded and took his head off.

>>1890192
Hesus

>>1889637
exactly, being experienced, I am no longer afraid of them, but you bet your sweet ass I respect them.

>>1889675
this but unironically

" just a meme " What the fuck.
No, a powerful spinning sawblade that can easily rip thru the hardest wood shouldn't be harmful at all. Find one and grab the blade while it is running, you'll see that they are as safe as a bowl of jello. But, its a " MEME so your hipster status in intact. Moron.

>>1889844
How is that going to save you when you get kickback and the saw bites into your push block?

>>1889846
Love my Olfa, but yeah I've nearly taken a finger off twice being a complacent arsehole.

A family friend got killed by a circular saw. Doing a vertical cut and got him right in the jugular.

Dude knew his shit and worked in construction for like 2 decades. We were thinking it was probably murder or manslaughter by an incompetent worker, but who knows.

>>1889679

I inherited my dad's old Black & Decker skillsaw that he bought in the late 80s and he never changed his blade, or so he claims. Pretty decent saw.

I worked at a cabinet supply hardware warehouse for close to a year and half. Most of our older clients in their 60's or above were missing a finger or two. This was because they worked in the field before OSHA, table saw sleds, or any concerns of safety.

Table Saw Kickback is the largest concern AFAIK these days.

>>1890947
What is there to be saved from? If the saw bites into the push block, you're safe. It's not your hand.

>>1889524
you have trees in your shop??

>>1889522
Nope thats the jointer

>>1893570
>he doesn't have an indoor tree

>>1889587
You should check out the garagejournal.com forums. Its amazing how many pro mechanics get their shit from Horrible Freight.

>>1889531
Cutting discs aren't bad but Bubba won't stay out of the plane of rotation and sideloads the disk.

The real savages of the angle grinder world are flat knotted wire wheels.

Bubba doesn't wear a FACE SHIELD AND glasses. I do. And I leave the guards with cutting discs and grinding rocks which is not a problem unless you're a dumbass. There is a place for a very few unguarded uses of cutting discs and there is a safe way to perform those jobs (like using a different disc on a Milwaukee 4196 die grinder to keep them the fuck away from you and letting the confined space you're working in do the rest) but there's always some dumbass who gets in a hurry.

Do not be the dumbass.

>>1889679
>Every single time I go and use it,

Throw it away NOW while you're thinking about it. Blades don't cost enough to matter. You're online, order a new one.

>>1889852
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6316a2.htm#:~:text=In%202011%2C%20work%2Drelated%20ladder,nonfatal%20injuries%20treated%20in%20EDs.

>>1890192
That's failure to remove the valve before removing the tire. Skilled people getting complacent....

>>1889527
Impact wrench could be dangerous, there are stories of people shattering chrome sockets and doing some damage. Also they can get quite hot so I wouldn’t be surprised if somebody burnt a shop down by laying it on a greasy rag.

>>1893803
>>1890192
We have a mechanic who refuses to put air in tires. He used to work for the county in the bus fleet and he had a bus tire explode years ago and almost kill him.

>>1893831
M

I use regular chrome sockets on my M-18 impact all the time. No shatters yet. I use regular chrome sockets on Stanley hydraulic IW-24 impacts all the time, no blown up sockets yet. I don't know if it's ever happened to anyone or if it's just a myth

>>1890943
Hear me out. Let's take a table saw blade and mount it to an arm. Now, this arm will have no kind of stop or return action. It is literally a spinning blade on the end of a pendulum. We'll use it to crosscut wood and have it operated by people that couldn't graduate high school. Oh, and the handhold will be on the right side but that is also where the belts will be so you have to look at the left side to see if your cut is true. We're gonna sell millions and nothing bad will happen.

>>1889520
>this
My father made short work cutting up my mom. the cops had a hard time identifying her. he used the rip fence, cut her up into 1 1/2" slices and fed most of her to the dogs

>>1889555
>trips of truth

>>1893833
it happens with some frequency with changing big rig tires.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Nljji3wNs