/diy/ - Do It Yourself

>>1826785
>I'd be content with most McMansions
No you wouldn't. They are constructed of the cheapest materials possible by the cheapest labor possible. Within 5 years you'll be replacing everything because it's all cheap Chinese junk that didn't last.
Steer far clear of these cookie-cutter houses in developments. If you want a new house build to suit and make sure you have the final say over materials.

>>1826793
I've considered building my own and I've heard it's not THAT much more expensive than buying an already made house, is that true?

>>1826785
Looks like vinyl siding.
Invented for people who are too ignorant or lazy to paint wood siding every few years.

>>1826809
THANK YOU, that's exactly what I was looking for. Easy to look up replacements now, appreciate it.

>>1826801

Depending on where you are, it should be far cheaper. The vast majority of a house's cost is in labor and BS upcharges all over the place. Even a large house will have well under $100k in materials, unless you go nuts on the furnishings. Only real exceptions are if you want to use some unusual material/construction technique, or you're comparing against a lot that's stupid cheap because nobody wants to live there (middle-of-nowhere/dead boomtown situation).

Back in the 90's everyone fell for the "vinyl siding from sears" meme. Litcheraly

>>1826809
The house I'm renting has vinyl siding. Every month or so a strip will come off half way and start flapping in the wind. It's pretty easy to push it back into its plastic retaining track but that shouldn't happen in the first place. No way I'd ever buy a home in this neighborhood. All of the houses were built like this.

>>1826856
Sounds like whoever installed it was a fucktard and didn't space the panels correctly. Gonna be residing part of the house I just bought later this summer for similar reasons. Pulled off a big section of it and checked the lines, there is up to 1/2" of variance from one course to the next, so the tension on them is all fucked. Honestly don't know how you do that. All you have to do is set the starter strip correctly and pull the courses up.

Ausbros its worse than we thought

The yanks are nailing flooring to the cardboard walls of their stick houses. We thought they'd lost it when they were flooring their roof. Now we know.

>>1826924
American here, some of our houses have gone 60+ years as section 8 nog habitats and are still standing.

>>1826785
I hate looking at a hundred grey houses with little to no variation. Fairly sure some hoa's won't even let you do something like paint or throw on new siding. Much less add stuff like a garage or trees. Ghetto neighborhoods are better in that regard.

>>1826801
Nope nope nope more expensive to build. Get a good home inspection it's worth the money. In a build project it's the fucking movie the money pit. Living in my car until we get a camper this week.

>>1826983
AMERICAN here too...what's a nog?

>>1826983
That's old brick stuff in the big cities and even that is falling apart due to lack of maintenance.

Stucco E S W master race. Paint it if you don't care for the color, just hose it down a few times a year.

>>1826818
>>1827004
>>1826801

I should clarify that, when I said it would be cheaper, I was assuming you _literally_ meant "building my own". As in, you're the one actually doing the work. Not paying contractors to build something custom, which, no shit, tends to be more expensive.

>>1827006
His racist attempt at comparing a low income housing community to a fucking zoo exhibit. The poster you highlighted is likely a basement dwelling incel.

>>1827022

My nigger! Stucco is based as fuck.

>>1827004
>>1827037
lmaoooo thanks I probably would've went through what Tom Hanks did, heh

>>1827022
>>1827045
Damn Stucco it is. Seems cheap, easy, and it looks SO much better than the vinyl.

>>1826785
OP is a Communist trying to attack America.

>>1826793
define everything. millions of people live in those houses and nobody replaces much. also how the hell are you going to "steer clear" if thats what most houses look like and thats the price range most people can afford especially in high cost areas. and you are giving this advice in a post corona world. nice. get a reality check.
> "steer clear" of mass produced cars and buy a custom made ferrari instead

>>1826801
What are you talking about. Of course it is much MUCH more expensive. The economies of scale.
Various inspections alone will cost you half the price of the materials which you will be buying at basically retail prices. Why do you think your bank wants you to have a certain minimum hazard insurance coverage that well exceeds the market value of your house

>>1827064
That is what everyone uses out here. Boy howdy do you get tired of it fast though. Everything from houses to Walmarts are made out of it. Makes everything look like giant blocks from a distance. Also can have problems with cracking if done cheaply or on the wrong kind of building. If you have an old home don't think you can just pull the old siding down and stucco it. If your place has any flex to it, which old buildings often have, you will have cracking in the corners and around openings within a few years. You can't 'fix' these cracks, only temporarily repair them until it happens again.

>>1826793
I'd be content with a fuck McMansion over this shitty one bedroom apartment I live in, fuuuck

>>1826793
NO ONE needs a brand new house built. Theres millions of unoccupied homes across the country. If I see one more bullshit unnecessary ugly middle class subdivision be built in place of what used to be a patch of trees im fucking setting them all on fire and slashing the tires of the construction vehicles.

>>1826785
before stucco it was the way people protected the sides of their houses from weather, it used to be made of wood or galvanized metal. now people do it because they like the aesthetic.

why are you so obsessed with Americans?

58.66 in

>>1827043
You'd think a black tradesman would be a bit tougher than that.

Being a monkey and all.

>>1827203
You can buy houses from Wal Mart in America!?

>>1826801
>>>1826793
>I've considered building my own and I've heard it's not THAT much more expensive than buying an already made house, is that true?

it is way cheaper. The people saying it would be more expensive are construction shills. The materials are very comparatively cheap. The labor will cost nothing if you do it yourself.

The reason houses are so expensive is because construction companies are making money hand over fist. Think about all the house flipping shoes. The margins on homes are so great their is literally a market to flip homes.

>>1827004
>Nope nope nope

Sure thing boomer. Home inspection is a faggot industry for dumb boomers. Your grandparents build homes on their own and didn't have any faggo inspectors.

>>1827043
Nothing racist about using the terms nog. What is racist is the nogs themselves. It is also sexist to use the term incel, so I think you need to become a little more progressive. It is the current year meme after all.

>>1827186
>Of course it is much MUCH more expensive. The economies of scale.

Economies of scale only apply to lowering the cost of the business. The business will only pass those savings along to the consumer in a competitive environment. We don't see that in construction which is why house flipping exists. The margins are way too high.

>>1826785
For me its brick with painted ribbed ply

>>1827629
ok then maybe i shouldn't be using smart words :) i mean whatever you call that, more like wholesale vs retail prices. you can't compete with the builder since they buy their materials in bulk at much lower prices since they build a lot of houses. something like that. and then they pass their savings on to the customers by selling mcmansions at lower prices (that doesn't apply to the cost of land of course so in expensive markets thats the more important factor). thats not considered an economy of scale?

>>1826990
Yeah, but if you live in a ghetto, you pretty much need to invest hard into building fortification, never let you kids play outside, and send them to a charter school.

>>1827635
I want it so bad :c

>>1827043
Grow some balls fag.

>>1826856
Caulk it back in so it won't happen again.

>>1827635
It's not structural.

>>1827689
Still around today

>>1827770
This your house Anon? I'm mad jelly.
You made it in my book!

The UK is a depressing peebledashed shithole full of fat retarded cunts.
The US is a cheap plywood nightmare full of undocumented faggots and idiot niggers.
Each english speaking country is a shame in therm of buildings and culture next to any other country. Go to Japan, go to Italy, go to Strasburg
Fuck mutts

>>1827916
>go to Italy
You realize mostly everyone in Italy is poor as shit compared to the US right?

>>1827918
I'd rather be poor there just and enjoy the manifiscent villages and catholic waifus.
Money is nothing considering that you can live with 1500 euros in europe if you don't fancy retard stuff.
Americans buy 2K fridges
and 30K vintage cars but the country is fucked. You got cancer you die lmao.
Oh and you are surely unemployed at this time, not me and I have 2,5 years in benefits to go to training or chill when I loose mine

>>1827043
Low income isn't a race...
>>1827549
You can't move houses and some of them are beyond repair. Im not buying a house that I can't live in and Im not buying a house in a location I dont like. Do we need huge new neighborhoods in/near the bigs cities? Hell no. If that's what you are referring to, then I agree wholeheartedly. But those of us who live in small town USA have legitimate reason to build rather than buy a house with water damage and a destroyed foundation.

>>1827922
>the country is fucked. You got cancer you die lmao.

Wait so people don't die of cancer where you are? I'm going to go ahead and call bullshit on that.

>>1826876
Judging by lots of the weird shorting comings in this house, I think the landlord bought it in poor condition and then did a lot of the repairs himself. I'm constantly coming across dumb things like electrical boxes not screwed into anything, or there's a screw but it is screwed into insulation. Most of the interior design elements were well done but the infrastructure parts are questionable. Everything screams "done over the weekend after watching a YouTube video". When the lease is up, I'll probably move.

>>1827617
Only whites can be racist. Only incels can be sexist so incel isn't a sexist term. It's like saying that calling a racist racist is racist.

>>1826785
they have to get rid of the chlorine somewhere.
when you make NaOH from salt you're left with tons of toxic chlorine. that's why Americans invented PVC-C with even more chlorine.

when it burns it creates hydrochloric acid and Dioxins and youre house is doomed after a cable fire or something.
they recently banned it for use in public buildings.

>>1827877
It was my house once,
But not for 20 years..

>>1828334
sorry anon

>>1828151
>whites
you are a racist.

>>1828334
saved the first image for comfy 90s flair.
Looks like a good neighborhood.
I always marvel about your way of building homes and mixing up styles.

>>1829573
Seems like up until the 2000s in my area, subdivisions had a variety of designs, so no two houses were the same next to each other. By 2001 every new house going up in the area was shitty identical homes and it made me sad

>>1829641
pic related are the new homes that have gone up in the past 2 years. god awful

>>1826801
Depends on where you are. I live in a relatively cheap area where a used home is about $130k on average and new non custom is $250-300 on average. Builders won't touch custom for less than $600k. The big ass kicker is plans and regulations. If you live in a liberal regulation heavy area expect to pay almost 50% of the build cost to fees, licenses, taxes, and regulations.

>>1829647
god that looks awful
no character no history

>>1830379
>no history
yeah those are new buildings

>>1827203
Stucco is pure labor to install. Then there's a decent bit of technique to doing or matching textures.

I think the osb Smart panels ate designed to rot, but fuck doing stucco if you're not being paid well.

>>1829647
Would still rather live their than any apartment. I hate not having a back yard.

>>1827043
T. Ricedick

>>1827518
that pic is not a mcmansion my dude, infact that is a full blooded mansion. pic rel is a mcmansion

>>1826809
>>1826856
>>1826876
>>1826785
BROS I NEED HELP. What should I do about the siding on my 1920s craftsman bungalow? I'm the only house left in the entire neighborhood that doesn't have vinyl because FUCK THAT SOULLESS VINYL BULLSHIT.

The wood shingles are pretty fucked, super worn. Should I spot replace the one's that fall off and then paint the whole thing? Pic related

>>1827748
>waah
So?

>>1832388
>fuck your souless new tech
>help my shitty old tech is literally falling apart help

>>1832388
cedar shingles are one of the simplest sidings to repair.
buy a shingle ripper tool to safely pull individual failed/cracked shingles.

replacing shingles is super easy.

then prime in oil alkyd primer and paint the whole thing.

NEVER EVER NEVER POWER WASH CEDAR SHINGLES. EVER. DO NOT DO IT. It only causes them to rot faster.

>>1832388
Fiber cement shingles. They look decent but their longevity is fantastic

>>1832400
lol some are 100 years old tho. what's a vinyl lifespan?

>>1832406
thanks for the inspo. how should I get the replacement shingles past the old nails or the nails holding the shingle above? I've seen videos where they cut out the nails from the old shingle?

are paint sprayers a meme?

>>1830445

You don't install stucco yourself, you hire the local crew of mexicans to do it for you.

If you prep the site well before they show up they'll do a good job, for example remove all your old siding, and provide a nice spot for them to stucco down to. On my house I removed deck boards in the front of the house to get down to the concrete foundation, then I used 1.5" angle iron and anchored it to my foundation making sure to seal up behind the angle iron anywhere there were gaps with silicone. This left them a nice shelf to end the stucco on at the bottom. I did that on 3 sides of the house and the 4th side (a walk out basement) had a concrete slab that they went down to. Then remove any deck railings and add proper anchoring points for them so that they can stucco around them and you can add the railings back after they are done. Make sure your window sills are in good shape, etc. Basically think like you're going to do it yourself and provide a good base for them to do their job. Another thing I did was I had a mast for electricity coming down one wall. I added standoffs to hold it off the wall so they could stucco behind it instead of butting up to it with the stucco.

Then you call them up, a few of them come and tar paper and chicken wire the house one day, the next day they bring a crew of 7 or 8 and completely gray coat the house. Then it is your responsibility to wet the house down as much as you can for the next week or so to slow the cure down and stop cracking as much as you can. After a week or two they'll come back for a color coat and knock that out in a day.

Fuck stuccoing yourself, those guys are good and fast, and not terribly expensive.

>>1832427
>how should I get the replacement shingles past the old nails or the nails holding the shingle above?
you'll need a shingle ripper tool, like I said, it'll pull/cut/break the nails.

here's a article.
https://www.oldhouseonline.com/repairs-and-how-to/replace-a-shingle-in-5-steps

>>1832427
>are paint sprayers a meme?
No.
Airless sprayers are great.

>>1832428
>On my house I removed deck boards in the front of the house to get down to the concrete foundation, then I used 1.5" angle iron and anchored it to my foundation making sure to seal up behind the angle iron anywhere there were gaps with silicone. This left them a nice shelf to end the stucco on at
Holy fucking shit have you never heard of weep screed? You homeowners and engineers need to stay the fuck away from my job sites, especially with your tubes of fucking silicone. While we're on the subject if any of you put silicone on a piece of vinyl siding that makes you an asshole as well.

>>1827549
>Theres millions of unoccupied homes across the country.

No there is a housing shortage. Unless you mean that houses in Wyoming count against the lack of them in San Fran.

>>1832427
>>1832497
Those shingle rippers work, but I never use them. Cedar shakes are easy, just go get a hammer and pry bar and go at it, you'll figure it out.

The shingles are staggered and overlapped. They also are installed bottom row first (obviously, so the higher ones overlap for water to run off them) which means that nails in the upper shingles will be holding shingles in lower rows. See like the one with the red arrow in the drawing. If you wanted to remove that shingle, after you pull the two nails that are visible, just eyeball where the nails in the higher shingle are, split the one that's getting removed with your bar and hammer so it breaks around the nails (split where red lines are) and pull out the pieces. With the shingle out you can pry on the higher shingles a little just to lift the nails, then pull those nails out. Then reinstall and nail.

>>1827635
>painted ribbed ply
It's called T-111 and there's not a competent carpenter alive who thinks it's anything other than complete garbage. One of the only possible siding choices crappier than vinyl, right next to board and batten.

>>1827922
Uda all about trying to become mega rich. We all talk about who's the richest among usand the nice things they have.

It's a very driven mentality many people like the competative nature but we do not have good basic programs its all catered to the wealthy.

>either you came from a country that you wre gonna be be headed or you do minimum wage in the US.

>natives play the rat race hard and thinky our a pussy commie if you look for piblic funded services.

>if you dont over pay is wont be good.

I hate the USA sometimes like dude can I work my ass off in school and not be 100k in debt like that's not smart at all. And like can I not whipe the wallet out when I think I'm dying. Who makes conical decisions when they think they arw dying FFS.

500 buck to have some cunt put an iv in me so I could stop vomiting from food poisoning.
Like dude id help you out if you were dying, no questions.

>>1832634
can you retype this post in english so I can read it? thank you

>>1832388
>>1832515
The ripper makes spot replacement much easier, and it's not like it's expensive.

But if the shingles are really fucked, instead of constantly doing spot replacements, why not rip them all and redo it. You can do a side of the house at a time, by yourself each one should only take you a couple of days.

>>1832691
Yeah he should probably rip them all off his house with a flat shovel or some other long-handled tool like that.