/diy/ - Do It Yourself

LOOK AT THIS DUUUUDE

LOOK AT HIS RAILS!

AHAHAHAHAHHHHHAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHHAHAHAHHA
*INHALES*

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>1778276
whywhyWHYYYYY do they cover the walls and roof with osb???

I dont understand this meme. The house I bought is old and has plaster walls that I hate, tell me why new houses suck to make me feel better.

>>1778276
what did america mean by this?

>>1778276

>>1778346
osb is a shit material that traps moisture and will eventually start to rot, then they cover that with whatever cheap stuff they find and nail it straight to the osb just to make shure it rots even faster. american standards for building wooden houses are unbelievably poor.

>>1778376
How is it there are so many old colonials and victorian houses 200+ years old? One for sale in my town was built in 1707

>>1778276

Why can't the Amerisharts into bricks and masonry, Eurobros?

Are they too fucking poor or what?

>>1778379
they where not buildt with osb and by your current standards

>>1778379

>>1778379
>How is it there are so many old colonials and victorian houses 200+ years old? One for sale in my town was built in 1707
sheer numbers.

have you ever been inside these houses? they are falling apart. floors are not level, they have been thoroughly gutted by termites, electrical is all nigger-rigged.

the ones that are in good condition are because they have been completely remodeled.

>>1778383
>Why can't the Amerisharts into bricks and masonry, Eurobros?
brick and masonry are not structural materials, they are for facades only. you still either need steel, wood or concrete framing.

I don't think anyone will convince me ever that those stick frame american houses are safe in any way

>>1778407
My house has level floors with no subfloor even. It's just thick hardwood planks laid in shiplap. Never had wood boring insects, it's over 100 years old and only had simple remodels done and still runs heat on a wood stove. The electric is shit I'll give you that. In the basement it's like a museum of how home electrical and wiring standard progressed over the century. The wood shingle siding was redone for the third time about 7 or 8 years ago, but that's regular maintenance.

>>1778383
do you think a brick house can 't stand up to an f5 tornado?
you're retarded.

>>1778430
*can

>>1778409
>brick and masonry are not structural materials

>>1778430
shape matters just as much as material. a dome structure made of brick has a better chance than a box house made of fake wood sheets.

>>1778363
what do americans mean by this

>tfw timber framer
this shit sickens me, literally as well as metaphorically

buy some big ass douglas fir beams and do it right for fucks sake

>bar soap user
I don't let a rag get in the way of doing the job right. My bars get all up in the cut. Are they slippery to hold onto? That's a risk a man has to take.

>>1778472
Maybe if there was no debris. An F5 is capable of driving small branches through concrete, and even pine needles through wooden beams.

>>1778480
Listen bud, I did a test and put an section cutoff of pressure treated lam-beam and a piece of doug fir in my woodpile in the rain and the wet all winter and today, after 8 months, the fir burned nicer in my woodstove than the OSB, so what do you have to say to that wise-guy?

>>1778511
If you're dumb enough to burn osb in your personal stove then there's no arguing with you
I make structures out of douglas fir for a living, they deal with water by absorbing and drying like any other normal wood
osb holds the rot and breaks down

Burgers need to train their carpenters in construction physics. OF COURSE OSB WILL ROT IF YOU NAIL YOUR VERNEER STRAIGHT ON THE OSB WITH NO VENTILATION
fucking sick of this shit meme. 'yall too stupit to build a house that actually lasts longer than ten years??

>>1778383
>Why can't the Amerisharts into bricks and masonry, Eurobros?

I think amerifarts are secretly poor, but they have (((Hollyweird))) to appear like ameriburgeren heroes

FINE

CRAFTSMANSHIP

BRUH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPbVr59a964

fucking burgers are DECADES behind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2yoBNYAosY

>>1778511
your "test" is very unscientific and doesnt mean jack shit or prove squat.

You Won’t Believe What’s Behind The Skin Of This 20 year Old House!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPxzPoyL23I

Make a random guess, just make a guess...

>>1778575
holy wtf? that guys goes around, point out all the crap stuff, brags about how much he learns from rebuilding 20(!) year old houses, but clearly he doesnt learn shit and end up doing it like that over again and the house will need another rebuildt in 20 years again.

>>1778574
even thats old school https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ReMwSp4eqcY

Most of these pics are from people who never maintain a house. If there's a piece of siding missing, you can't just leave it. I've had to help friends make repairs, they're shocked to find out that checking for damage occasionally is something they should be doing.

>>1778579
cope burger. your shit dont even have half the insulation as nordic buildings and all your shit is cheap plywood

>>1778577
but imagine the stupidity of building a non-faux rock facade OVER framing with OSB and not allowing stone to carry the load, so much stone masonry totally wasted. Only purpose - it makes my neighbors jealous.

>>1778580
Okay, kid.

>>1778582
ok boomer

>>1778581
reminds me of this disgusting bullshit fakery https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vYx56-ieI4

>>1778580
>cheap plywood

worse, its cheap OSB. Plywood is expensive.

>>1778583
>disgusting bullshit fakery https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vYx56-ieI4

I dont see their building process in this vid so I cant comment

>>1778585
>I dont see their building process in this vid so I cant comment
because it's a long series of vids: https://youtu.be/H443dZuONp0?t=357

>>1778588
>>I dont see their building process in this vid so I cant comment

gotcha, so its the same mcmansion stupidity and again a totally oversized house

>>1778590
yep

https://youtu.be/KxXZtIl3JhE?t=321

>>1778582
dilate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ0WlbT4flE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGk_Qe31yEY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUthssuOYks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNZhxTkWSdA

>>1778591
>https://youtu.be/KxXZtIl3JhE?t=321 [Embed]

what a bunch of queers, on 5:32 they put a legit mortise and tennon solid timber heavy truss on the front but its it entirely DECORATIVE, while the rest of the house has its loading done by pinewood with nails. So fake and gay.

I'll never understand why Americans build wood houses when they're susceptible to earthquakes, etc. I solid foundation and good ol brick and mortar can sustain anything if built correctly.

A friend of mine had a dry wall house and holy fuck. Everything just feels cheap, you can hear sounds from other rooms, you cant suspend heavy things from the walls easily, etc.

The only pro's I see are that its baby-mode easy to do some interior remodelling/design changes later, as you can nail things directly in to the wall, and plumbing and electrical wiring is easier.

If I can kick a hole through the "wall" its not a house, its a fucking straw hut.

>>1778597
i defent them on this, a wooden house will stand throught the strongest earthquakes. brick and mortar cracks and fall down, wood bend and creak but it doesnt fold. there is a video of a massive landslide from around here that washed an entire farm on the sea. all houses stand until they disapear into the ocean. you can see the house deform and follow the waves of the landslide but its completely intact all the way. brick and mortar would crumble at once.

>>1778276

>>1778597
those things are not really any easier compared to a properly built wooden house, it's just perceived to be

>>1778604
>Be country
>Get free trade agreement with largest economy in the world
>Now 95% of your television programming is American
>Every time u.s. goes to wear your country matches along.
>U.s. politics starts getting more screen time than local
>Realise you're a vassal state
>Americans on the hyperweb say why you so obsessed just mind your own business

>>1778597
>>1778606

No I'm saying those are easier in a wooden house, its the only good thing about them. Chasing pipes and wiring in brick and mortar is a chore.

>>1778602
>brick and mortar would crumble at once.

but brick and reinforced concrete or all reinforced concrete wont, that combo outperforms everything.

>>1778602
pic of a serbian house literaly europoor.
entire house tipped over and nothing cracked.

east Europe is quake territory this is why they use RC Beams and pour the roof from RC.
in Germany where Quakes are not common and Insulating standards are higher there is less RC usually just around the top of every story. (RC is a thermal bridge, since the Red bricks are filled with perlite and are insulating enough that you do not need Styrofoam.

>>1778622
Brick is Insulation
cant get water damaged cant get moldy. good room climate.

>Germany has a official term for room-climate in wood houses "Barackenklima" shack climate.

>>1778624
>cant get water damaged cant get moldy. good room climate.

are you sure about not getting moldy? those weineberger bricks with inner insulation might theoretically get mold inside the pores and contaminate the foam insulation since water will travel by cement that connect the bricks. Is it common?

>>1778581
you know all modern brick/rock facades are not bearing anything

>>1778624
>Germany has a official term for room-climate in wood houses "Barackenklima" shack climate.
lol no, maybe if its an actual shack, otherwise most people prefer the room climate of wood to any others, not just the looks


t. german living in wood house for 25years

>>1778624
>>Germany has a official term for room-climate in wood houses "Barackenklima" shack climate.
Spotted the american.

1. that's not an official term but a colloquial one
2. Baracken are barracks. Barackenklima refers to moist, stinky air caused by having to many people in to little space as you'd have in actual barracks as well as "Mietbaracken", large buildings full of tiny flats. Both are usually made from reinforced concrete rather than wood.

>>1778473
((get out of the way government - I can build massive 40 story hotels with only sticks and no concrete or steel framing)))

>>1778568
>I think amerifarts are secretly poor, but they have (((Hollyweird))) to appear like ameriburgeren heroes
'Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.'

>>1778624
i always wanted to find the r or u value of these kinds of blocks compared to standard timber frame and 30cm glava that we use up north, but the blocks are totally unheard of here so i never found it.
>cant get water damaged cant get moldy
this is such a misunderstanding. a brick wall is by nature not 100% water proof. when you have 25C moist air inside and -25C dry air outside humidity will creep into the bricks and mortars in every microscopic crack there is, somewhere in the cross section of the wall is the temperature at the dew point and voila you have water inside your wall. that water will take 1000 times longer to disapear, and if temperatures drop even more outside or you turn down the heat inside, that water will freeze and create even more microscopic cracks. give that 50 years of winter, summer, winter, summer and it will look like shit and have drasticly different structural properties. it might hold its own weight like new, but a little earthquake and pieces fall out, cracks open up or walls give in.

>>1778473
>>Alberta
what did anon mean by this

I'm from the UK and find this whole argument retarded. Both wooden and brick have there pros and cons but at the end of the day you get whatever method is prevelent in your country unless you want to pay out the arse. Have you seen the state of new builds in the UK? That being said I'd rather have a wooden house in the sun than a brick house in the rain.

>>1778276
Chupa pija

>>1778409
>brick and masonry are not structural materials

I see the concept of anything but recycled wood fibers for housing is beyond the intellectual grasp of the Amerishart mind.

It's like trying to teach a Golden Retriever calculus - no matter how long you spend, they don't have the mental faculties to acquire this skill.

>*A GUST OF WIND BLOCKS YOUR PATH*

Heh, nothing personnel Burger Blasters...

>>1778276
Let the mold take hold

>>1778747
he was probably referring to this >>1778649
although hes wrong anyway

>>1778751
wtf the roof is nothing but osb covered with what looks like huge post-its, and the entire second floor/loft is only empty space used for nothing but a few hvac duckts. im disapointed in the americans now.

>>1778597
>I'll never understand why Americans build wood houses when they're susceptible to earthquakes, etc. I solid foundation and good ol brick and mortar can sustain anything if built correctly.
do you know anything about building? because everything in that sentence is 100% wrong. brick and mortar are the absolutely worst forms of construction when it comes to earthquake resilience.

>He doesn't use ZIP board

>>1778769

Because homes are treated as a commodity and investment fueled by cheap interest rates instead of being an actual house. Also building homes in the U.S is only profitable if their built in big developments cheaply.

>>1778790


Meant to reply to

>>1778597

>>1778738
You know it rains in America too, right?

There is nothing wrong with timber-framing for a house so long as it's done properly. If you live in an earthquake prone area, concrete is an objectively bad idea, and brick can be bad too. Shitty particleboard and flimsy undersized beams must be giving timber housing a bad reputation in parts of the world. Back in the 40s and earlier all the houses where I live were built with unsustainably harvested native timbers, and they all lasted incredibly, at least as far as the internals go. I've seen wooden beams that are half a metre tall as roof supports, solid Kauri. Only when someone puts stucco or whatever on the outside do you get cracking, since wooden frames naturally expand and contract with heat and humidity. Only now all the old town-houses are being torn down in favour of high-density apartment blocks thanks to the chinks pushing our property prices up, and we've got a fair bit of demo-timber floating about because of it.

>>1778397
Quit reproducing without permission

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhjyP_3IqHg

This is how you build a modern wooden house

>>1778383
America has a retarded law where you have to spend 4 years as an apprentice mason before you're allowed to do stuff on your own. Your house would be condemned if an unqualified mason built it.
You have to have connections in the masonry industry in order to get into it. If you don't have connections, they want to bind you to their company to make sure they don't waste 4 years, and you don't become unwanted competition.
The scarcity drives up the price of masonry in the US, so you only really see businesses paying for it here.
Basically it's the standard unionized cartel racket.

>>1778597
Actually, timber framing is the most disaster-proof construction method, IIRC. Takes a lot more than garbage stick framing

>>1778348
>Pick a spot in the path of tornadoes
>Build house out of wood
>Pray to God to save you from your own choices
Americans.

>>1778409
this reply on any other board would already be retarded but on diy?

american education everyone.

>>1778616
I want a house like that so bad.

>>1778397
Takes me back to that little inn just on the other side of lake Rumare in Oblivion. Comfy.

>>1778616
>reinforced concrete or all reinforced concrete wont
No, it gets cancer and rots instead

>>1779164
There's no such law. Yes people want you to have experience, but it's not mandatory. They offer stonemason training courses at technical collages that you can do instead of an apprenticeship too. I've been working in the stucco industry for 10 years, there's some crossover with the stone industry, so I've met quite a few stone guys. There's a big demand for stonemasons (as well as most trade workers). A few months ago they were paying $45/hr + $250 per diem to lay brick in North Dakota

>>1778294
because they are fucking poor and even more fucking retarded

>>1778504
Don't be retarded

>>1778659
It's a cute saying, but socialism was starting to take root until it was brutally squashed out by the fascists in government.