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Its been a while so here is an update on my shed I am building. My last post I think was about adding door frames and exterior sheathing. Since then we have been hit by day light savings...which sucks balls since I have less light to work with now. Its also gotten much colder (MN), and we even got snow which was a pretty large set back.

Here is a pic of my commercial hollow metal doors.

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Hollow metal pair

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Putting up the rafters wasnt too bad. Having the loft flooring helped. But the loft only extends 3/4 of the building, so the last few rafters were tricky. We had to put down the extra floor beams I had to walk on.

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End rafter sheathed.

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Here is a view from the loft.

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Just before we got all the final rood decking on it snowed. So, we got the last of the decking up, then it snowed again. Fortunately all this week has been warm and sunny so all the snow melted.

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Just today we got one side covered in ice/water barrier. I decided to use i/w barrier over the entire roof rather than standard roof underlayment. The downside is shingles typically bond to the i/w barrier, and doing a whole roof means you need to remove all of your roof decking when its time to reshingle/redo your roof. Im 35, so by the time this roof needs redoing I will either pay someone, have my kids do it, or I will be out of this house.

>> No.1730337

>>1730329
As you might be able to see I dont have a fly rafter on the double door end. When we were trying to hoist it up my help's shoulder tweaked and he dropped his end. The gussets on end and fly rafters can only go on one side. So, with only half the gussets, they sheared when the fly rafter hit the ground. So, I have a new fly rafter built, but I need to call in new help to raise it up and get it screwed in.

Also, barn (gambrel) roofs suck to work on. With a normal pitch roof you can get down decking, then walk on it. Not with a barn roof. Also due to the different angles there is a lot more cutting of roof decking. And I went with the roof kick out/sprockets to help move water away from the foundation. But this makes putting ladders up to the roof slightly awkward. My drip edge got bent up today by the ladder as we were putting the i/w barrier on.

I think Im going to sub out the shingling of this roof. Its just taking too long and its awkward. Im not a fan of having to tie off and deal with all of that.

The loft space is great...and I sure do need it, but barn roofs are pain in the ass.

>> No.1730339

Very nice, senpai. I've been watching the progress.

>> No.1730340

>>1730337
I picked up my window this week, and want to install it tomorrow but Im not sure if I will have time. I need to make sure I get the other half of the roof covered in the i/w barrier as we have snow coming early next week.

Im using a ridge vent, so I have a gap in the roof decking at the top which lets snow in. Im running my i/w barrier long to cover this and will just cut it when I put the ridge vent on. This will keep snow out and allow me to run electrical without issue. It will be nice to get light and outlets in this beast. Running extension cords has been a pain.

>> No.1730342

>>1730339
Thanks. My buddy who is a licensed residential contractor stopped over to take a look and gave his seal of approval....which was nice and reassuring.

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Posting my superior shed that I'm still kinda working on.
>>1730311
It looks good anon. I helped my neighbor finish his 16x16 gambrel then built this 12x20 post frame. Lifted it off the ground to make sure we didn't have to worry about flooding or water wicking. Plus it's cheaper than pouring a slab.

What are you doing for stairs? A ladder? Attic stairs? A regular stair case?

>> No.1730372

People think they gain so much space by having a loft. Do you know how much of a pain in the fucking ass it is to get stuff into/out of a loft? Even WITH a little dumb waiter thing.

>> No.1730374

>>1730372
lol amerifat

>> No.1730375

>>1730372
B.M.I. >60% detected

>> No.1730376

>>1730365
I was planning n using a ladder, but I might throw a stud across a rafter and attach a pulley. I do plan on storing some larger items up there.

How tall is your shed? Mine is coming in at 16.5' and max height is 18' or the same as your house.

>> No.1730377

>>1730372
Not everybody gets to live the easy life anon. Plus, I have 5 kids....so lots of season shit...bikes, sleds, trampoline etc. A loft is perfect for season shit.

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>>1730376
It's 16ft walls from the bottom of the metal, just under 18ft from the ground. The picture was supposed to show the garage door trim, but you can see my 'stairs' sometimes calls ship stairs/ladder which are just steep ass stairs to save space. I went for 70 degrees. Id have to do the math again but they only span ~4ft from front to back and climb about 9ft.

>> No.1730401

>>1730390
>>1730376
To add the idea was it'd be solid to just slide the boxes or whatever up on the stairs. Thought about trying to do a pulley system for lifting stuff but just seemed like I'd lose more floor space and I didn't want to dice up the floor joists too much.

>> No.1730408

>>1730401
With my loft only being 3/4 length of the building, I have 6" of open air from the slab up to the rafters. So I have plenty of room to fit large items up there, and for the pulley.

The reason I left the loft a little short and have one end open is because I have a pretty nice wait set in my garage that will be going into the shed. I have nice treadmill in a downstairs room of my house as well that will most likely move to the shed. I like the idea of being able to do overhead presses and clean and presses without having to worry about bumping a ceiling....and my rubber mats on the concrete slab will be nice and sturdy. Its gonna be awesome...I just gotta get the damn thing finished.

>> No.1730447

>>1730365
How was building the post frame? I take it you set the posts yourself? Im gonna buy some land in the next few years and might put a pole shed on it....depending on how big I might build it myself.

My coworker who used to build house said he sets the posts and leaves them long. Then takes a laser level and trims them down to height....

>> No.1730466

>>1730365
Lucky mutherfuckers. I got an uneven muddy floor barn with FUCKING 4 foor 10 inch rafters. It's been a chicken coop for 70 years but its a 30x40 barn. Stupid fucking walls on the sides are like waist high. Piss fucking ignorant. I gotta rent or buy a whacker packer. Spend 300 bucks on rock for a floor. Raise the faggot trusses. Then stack it full of all of our shit and sell or shitty other house. Then she wants a fucking shed which is fair because i am a hoarder.

THEN maybe I'll bless myself with a fucking cuckshed finally...

>> No.1730467

>>1730372
KEK. Agreed. It's absolute fucking aids. It's like having a 2 or 3 story house. Fucking cancer. I can see having a basement but ffs.

>I'm tired. Gonna go to bed. Let me hike 2 flights of stairs first...

>> No.1730468

>>1730374
lol 3rd world shithole dwellers jelly as fuck

>> No.1730471

>>1730375
>eat delicious fried chicken, bacon, steak etc...

>be a cuck and eat fucking salads. Get ran over by a truck at age 26.

I'd rather live the good life and have a grabber at 50 then be a faggot fruit swilling cuck and best case scenario get treated like shit while someone else wipes my ass.

Go be a faggot somewhere else

>> No.1730473

>>1730376
Harbor freight has sweet deals on winches sometimes.

>> No.1730475

>>1730447
I built them for a couple years then took a tumble off of one, and broke my arm.
Built the whole thing myself with a helping hand here and there.
I 100% recommend a post frame building over stick frame even if it's for a home. They are stronger, last longer, insulate better and can be built faster (read cheaper), further cheaper if you do it yourself. The issues with them are, it could be harder to sell as it's not common for the appraisers and banks might not want to finance because they aren't common (they are becoming more common), and hoa/code/covenant might not allow them even if they look no different from a 'regular' home as some places have it written all post frame = agricultural building and not allowed.

If the soil/location allows, setting posts into the ground (4ft) is best, don't concrete them that's amateur shit (and wrong), if soil/location doesn't allow, I recommend Perma column brackets either the precast concrete posts or the wet set brackets, if too expensive, then use post protectors. They are plastic covers to keep water away from your posts. I used the wet set for this shed.
I leave them long until the roof is done being framed then Sawzall them down to roof height as they can provide extra strength. I can't imagine it's too convenient trying to set up a laser level 20+ ft in the air.
If you have any questions I'll do my best to dump my knowledge and the little things that make life easier.
Also you can have a slab poured after it's framed because it's actually a bit cheaper since they just use your grade/skirt boards as the template.
>>1730408
That makes sense and sounds like good planing. Make sure to update us with your pulley idea.

>>1730466
It almost sounds easier to burn it and start over.

>> No.1730476

>>1730466
Sounds like you got your work cut out for you. It will be worth it. The other end of my shed will be one long work bench for my saws. Overal its 14 x 24 (exterior dimensions) and my slab at the end of the double doors is 14 x 8. It will be my shop, storage, and weight room. Again, i just need to finish the fucker.

>> No.1730478

>>1730329
Anon, you realize your wall are on upside down?

>> No.1730487

>>1730475
Im in Minnesota. Once you get to rural parts....like northern MN where I want to buy land there are pole sheds (post frame buildings) all over. But I've just now seen them as actual homes. In the cities, that doesnt fly. But up north you might be able to get away with an actual post frame house. Lots of people build them for storage then wall off a section and use it as a living space on their up north/get away land.

The issue with up here is you have to make sure to use additional wall sheathing and that roof insulation? Isnt it big rigid foam panels? Either way, the problem is once you do that with a post frame, its not much of a jump to go back over to stick framing. Especially if its not too big. Doing something huge like a 60 x 40 it will always be cheaper to go post frame.

But Im probably not gonna get land until 2021 or 2022 baring me finding a suitcase of money.

>> No.1730489

>>1730478
Ill just flip the shed.

>> No.1730493

>>1730489
thumbsup.jpg

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>>1730447
>>1730487
To add 'barndominiums' are becoming more common too, I wrote most of this before your second post, but seriously look into barndominium ideas. Which can be as complex and beautiful or simple as you please. Pretty much a building that's mostly the shop/garage with a place to live. Which is what I plan on making at some point when I get back out west. You could have Pic related with a machine shop/garage on the bottom and the 2nd floor is your home.
We built them often as a summer homes, room to put your RV, ATVs and boat, and often the living space was around the size of a trailer or so. I was building in Montana, so it also gets chilly.
With post framing since you have no load bearing walls inside you can really do whatever makes you happy inside for design. Depending on your level of finishing. You could build something then in a year or so trial say no this layout isn't for me and just take it down and reconfigure yourself. Obviously if you sheet rock everything in it won't be convenient but it you just throw together some plywood you can get an idea.
The insulation is better because. Instead of every 16" having a stud to break up the insulation you can span 10' then have a 6-8" wide post that breaks it up. Roof insulation should be fairly heavy stuff tho.

There are post frames that you would never be able to tell. They don't have to be metal or even resemble a barn type building.
I'm personally planning something like a 100x40 maybe wider monitor building. Being a monitor building it makes the trusses smaller and easier to work with. I'm thinking make a 2nd floor, it'd run down the middle roughly the length of the building for ~2000sqft of living space. I've only started planning and thinking but looking like materials to get me a little bit past the shell should be ~50k.

>> No.1730524

>>1730512
I didnt know those were called monitors. I've seen those with the upper center section as living space. Thats a great design. Plenty of space and options.

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>>1730524
Yes they are nice. The first building I built was a monitor. Instead of the roof of the middle section being lifted though it was flush all the way down. It just gave him an addition 6 or so ft to work with in the middle section.
This is what I'm thinking though for myself. By breaking the trusses into three sections (instead of a single 40ft truss) it's feasible to do it with 2 people. I might think of something smaller as I get more drawn up.
Using metal is nice as hell in the snow too because if you pick something reasonable like a 4:12 (up 4 inches ever horizontal foot) the snow should slide off pretty easily.

>> No.1730537

>>1730533
Do you do this for a living or on the side? Also, eventually after I buy land I plan on buying a used Kubota or Deere sub-compact tractor/mower. So I might have some slight lift options....but yes the Monitor makes it much easier for just a few people. And my friends and family arent really DIY like I am....so man power isnt always easy to come by.

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>>1730537
Its what I did for a living until I had a little issue.

That's my ulna (with the plate) in the picture, my radius is actually what I broke initially. I had what's called ulnar impaction. When my radius broke and healed it got about 4mm shorter, which meant my ulna was grinding against the other bones in my wrist. They cut out 4mm and now it's healed and honestly feels amazing compared to before. It took almost a year after it broke to get the correction surgery.

You'll probably need a bobcat with a boom or similar though to lift the trusses unless you're particularly skilled at climbing walls with objects that are heavy.

For trusses in the 40 ft+ range you'd need 4 guys to do it conveniently, someone using the boom to lift it in, someone guiding it with a tether and a guy on either wall to catch it and get it set.
Smaller you can get away with 1 guy booming it and one guy on the wall pulling it in with a tether.

>> No.1730778

excellent work anon OP, well done. interested in more updates thru finish...the barn roof has a great aesthetic ... pain in your arse but looks better than simple pitch and the storage area is more..

>> No.1730782

>>1730311
Can I recommend Tyvek brand housewrap instead of everbilt? Everbilt will allow liquid water to pass through and tyvek will not. I'm a licensed contractor and it's all I use for that reason.

>> No.1730823

Do your neighbors hate you for obstructing their sunlight?

>> No.1730863

>>1730823
Ancient Lights Law isnt in effect in the United States.

>> No.1731129

>>1730782
Can i recommend tar paper instead of house wrap? I mean, no matter how long your tar paper is exposed to UV it won't turn into an impermiable moisture barrier like house wrap does. Also, those pesky tannins in natural wood siding? They won't do anything to tar paper, whereas housewrap once again gets buggered. Tar paper does not contribute to the plastic pollution problem, house wrap does.

>>1730311
Also, OP, OSB?
Really?
That shit shouldn't be used for a dog house.
The difference in price for a 1/2 inch sheet of OSB vs Plywood is about $2.50. There is literally no reason not to use the better material, unless you're just that much of a cheapskate.

>> No.1731132

>>1731129
OSB is stronger than plywood, and doesn't delaminate if you accidentally water.

>> No.1731144

>>1731132
Dumbass detected.

OSB is a shit material that was invented so greedy assholes could sell their wood chips instead of throwing them out. It burns _fast_. It doesn't hold a screw or a nail worth a shit. And it is especially vulnerable to water, exposure to such making it expand and rot very quickly as compared to plywood. It has been, is, and will always be shit until every last fragment of it has been consumed by the all burning wrath of a vengeful god.

>> No.1731151

>>1731144
You have any sources for that? Besides "that humble croation terra firma guy said so"?

>> No.1731184

>>1731151
25 years of working in residential construction. Mostly restoration and remodelling of old homes. At least half of it coming in behind some godforsaken idiot that didn't know what he was doing and having to clean up their mess then do the job correctly so the homeowner would never have to worry about the issue again.

But if that's not good enough for you.
Here's your flame spread performance data: https://www.awc.org/pdf/codes-standards/publications/dca/AWC-DCA1-FlameSpreadPerformance-1706.pdf
Here's a study of screws in both plywood and osb : https://www.agriculture.purdue.edu/fnr/faculty/eckelman/documents/d200206a.pdf
As for water exposure, I can't find a paper to quickly cite.

>> No.1732316

>>1730778
Thanks. It gets dark so early now Im only working on the weekends. This weekend I get my window in and my fly rafter screwed on. Then my framing inspection. After that I run electrical which will help me speed things up inside since I will have light.

>> No.1732318

>>1730782
I ordered everything through HD and had them deliver. They had to order Tyvek...I was impatient and didnt want to wait.

We were going to build this next spring....then the wife said lets do it now so the time frame got shortened up. Going forward I will use Tyvek.

>> No.1732320

>>1730823
My back yard is shit, so its probably an upgrade. We bought the house foreclosed years ago and the back yard was rough...lumpy and patchy. I tried to spread dirt and overseed but it didnt really work. Although, either next year or the year after Im scalp the lawn and aquaseed.

>> No.1732321

>>1730863
I should mention my house faces north, so the shed is in the south. That means my neighbors house faces south....(we are in MN) so nobody cares about looking north.

>> No.1732322

>>1731129
I read up on OSB vs Plywood. And if the "experts" can be believed there isnt too much difference. each has its own strengths and weaknesses

>> No.1732325

When I finally get around to it, Im planning on going with plywood walls on the interior. Not sure what color Im going to paint them.

>> No.1732856

>>1732318
Tyvek guy here. I forgot to say it looks great. No criticisms implied just a suggestion.