/diy/ - Do It Yourself

>>1678571

uhm... you only have to worry bout cancer if you have asbestos in your walls

any modern day insulation is safe. also once its enclosed in the wall, theres no way for you to be exposed to anything. google some knowledge retard

>>1678573
>doesn't answer any questions
>Based on the total experience with humans and the findings of scientific research (animals, cells), it can be concluded that elongated dust particles of every type have in principle the potential to cause the development of tumours providing they are sufficiently long, thin and biopersistent. According to scientific findings inorganic fibre dust particles with a length-to-diameter ratio exceeding 3:1, a length longer than 5 μm (0.005 mm) and a diameter smaller than 3 μm (WHO-Fibres) are considered health-critical.

I'm sure it is, now go snort some more rockwool and get the fuck out retard.

>>1678575

well unless you have open walls with insultion and are sniffing it in 24/7 sure but once its behind drywall you are not breathing it in and it doesnt get airborn

why are you so retardeded?

>>1678576
>lol any modern day insulation is safe
>oh well yeah... it might be carcinogenic b-but it's inside the wall haha
>u r retardeded

Look, I couldn't give less of a fuck about your opinion on anything being carcinogenic, safe, or whatever, that wasn't a question in the OP. My advice is that you learn to both read and type, as you are embarassing yourself here.
I'm not your tardwrangler so I won't reply to more posts about it being carcinogenic or not.

>Why do I need to put carcinogenic stuff between my walls just to save some pennies on the AC bill?
Who says you need to put carcinogenic stuff in your walls? Nobody does, you're tilting at windmills because you're a fucking nutsack european or australian retard.

>>1678571
You don’t need insulation. Or cooling. And not much heat.
It’s just to feel more comfortable by modern standards.
Castles and huts of 400 years ago were shelter enough then, and could be, still, for you, if you wanted.

There is natural insulation not saying building department will let you use seaweed or straw but its a good insulator

In Japan I hear they don't have insulation in their houses. It can get pretty cold. Ask someone who lived Japan. There's your answer.

>>1678581
That's what I was thinking but by modern standards they make it seem like you would die or something with no insulation. I'm guessing your house would be more insulated in the wood example I provided rather than in the metal one. But would it be a substantial difference?

>>1678582
Yes I know about this.

House made entirely of metal would be impervious to termites. You just have to make sure you coat your house with rust resistant paint. Also get paint that blocks 5g signals while you are at it. You don't want to be microwaved to death in your tin can.
As far as temperature wise it would probably be super cold in winter, but you can make it nice and cool in the summer.

https://www.japan-talk.com/jt/new/japanese-houses

Part 12 and 15 the rest is pretty interesting too

Where do you live? If you have a cold winter you would have one hell of a time staying warm and keeping pipes from bursting. If you want to live in a shack with a wood stove or something I'm sure you dont need insulation. As for metal I don't know what you mean. You dont really need insulation so long as you're willing to be uncomfortable with the temperatures.

>>1678591
When I think of a metal house those junk houses from fallout come to mind.

>>1678586
>As far as temperature wise it would probably be super cold in winter, but you can make it nice and cool in the summer.
So it doesn't go both ways? Won't it become super hot in summer? I only ever have problems with heat. I can tolerate cold a lot.
>>1678589
Nice, gonna read it.
>>1678591
It never freezes here, temp never goes below 15ºC in winter.

>>1678591
>If you have a cold winter you would have one hell of a time staying warm and keeping pipes from bursting
Pipes bursting is actually fairly rare, 99% of the time they just freeze and then thaw, it is part of life in the frozen north. My house is from the days of cellulose insulation, so all of the insulation long ago turned into a little brick at the bottom of the wall and it is essentially uninsulated at this point. If I was the sort that wanted my house to be 70+ all winter long I would consider doing something about it, but my thermostat stays at 55, I generally do not even close the windows until daytime temps hit freezing and do not turn on the furnace until they regularly stay at freezing. Heat and insulation are over rated, put on a hat and pull on a sweater. Pipes freeze every couple years when we start breaking -30, but they are simple enough to thaw.

Frankly, being connected to a sewer is a bigger liability than pipes bursting, at least you can turn off the water if a pipe bursts, if the sewer backs up all you can do is wait for the city and try and guess what the neighbors had for dinner.

>>1678577
Calm the fuck down, nigger

>>1678571
I have no insulation and it’s not fun in the winter my nat gas bills are very high

>>1678573
>any modern day insulation is safe
According to current safety standards. Tomorrow it could be deemed unsafe.
Asbestos was safe according to installation day standards too.

>>1678581
Castles and huts of 400 years ago had a shitload of mould in them.

Air by itself kinda sucks as an insulator. It works, but there's a reason we have air insulation 2.0: aerogel. Or you could just rigid foam your house. In fact most forms of insulation just reduce convection to a minimum, so anything that accomplishes that would be good.

>>1678571
>Is insulation a meme?
No
>Why do I need to put carcinogenic stuff between my walls just to save some pennies on the AC bill?
Up to 50% less heat and cool bill.
>carcinogenic
Only in state of Cancer of California
>What if I don't give a fuck about that?
You pay too much to juice.
>What would happen if say, you lived in timber frame house with just siding and wooden boards as the internal walls just having the air between the siding and the internal wall as an insulator?
Unless you seal everything (to the point you can safely pull vacuum and no air will leach in), it would be pretty shit.
>? And what would happen if instead of wood everthing was metal?
Even worse, since metal absorbs more heat from sun than wood, plus it is better thermal conductor.

>>1678571
Another episode of Americans do anything to save money!

>Castles and huts of 400 years ago were shelter enough then, and could be, still, for you, if you wanted.

Back then, in the autumn, they would stack huge mounds of leaves, hay and whatever other crap they could find all up against the outside walls of their dwellings as a kind of ghetto peasant insulation.

Theres actually a name for doing that but I can't fucking remember it. I was just reading about it though.

>>1678707
i get it europoors don't have the room for additions but here in north america sans mexico we can add on to our homes.
so having 1 foot of brick and bullshit in the way makes an addition look like shit.
also brick should be relegated to a facade.
it's porous and allows water and weather in.

>>1678575
holy shit the retardation is painful

>>1678730
>it's porous and allows water and weather in.
If installed properly it keeps water and moisture out.

>>1678571
Just use PIR. Depends on where you live, but here in Europe we're gradually fucked in the ass by the communist government because of muh climate, so insulation is a worthwhile investment

>>1678571
lol you were stupid enough to buy a cancer home? jeeze learn to do some homework and research on the surface level gentrified shit hole you bought.

>>1678637
The reason why asbestos is unsafe is because in its fluffy insulation form, it likes to break into micro sized fibers which are small enough to be easily breathed. Fiberglass doesn't do that. Rockwool doesn't do that. If you shredded either into a powder and inhaled it, they'd be as dangerous as asbestos.

>>1678827
You don't get my point. All I was saying that in the future we may find a property of fiberglass that makes it totally unsafe

>>1678863
But you can play that game with anything. You're obviously just reaching for post hoc justification. Do you have any evidence to support your position?

>>1678584
>That's what I was thinking but by modern standards they make it seem like you would die or something with no insulation.
our ancestors lived in breezy log homes in winter, natives lived in fucking igloos. It's not so much about not survivin winter, just the government insists upon minimum building codes because they are very very concerned about energy costs (whatever)

>>1678972
>because they are very very concerned about energy costs (whatever)
It's less about costs and more about use and availability. When the same resources that heat homes also power military equipment, home heating efficiency becomes a matter of strategic security. And while the US is currently a net exporter of fossil fuels, that has not always been the case. Depending on other countries for resources is generally undesirable, and increased efficiency can reduce that.

>>1678972
Then go live in a fucking igloo and enjoy dying at 40. Insulation makes a home tremendously more comfortable. Even if heating was free, it would have value for its property of evening out temperature differentials through a home and reducing drafts from cold walls. And try keeping a reasonable humidity when the walls keep condensing it all out.

You would have my house, built in the 30s, no insulation, steam heat. It's surprisingly comfy in the dead of winter even though if the gas bills are a little high

>>1679003
gay. temperature differentials are awesome. cozy fireplace radiating heat vs regulated same-temperature all throughout the house? no contest brother

>>1679011
You listen to vinyl too, don't you?

You're from US aren't you anon

>>1678583
Can confirm, it doesn't get THAT cold in winter here (I'm from Wisconsin) but the interior temperature usually gets down close to the exterior. My apartment has basically an entire wall of 4 glass sliding doors and it's super-thin single pane glass like it's still the fucking 1700s or something. In summer we have to keep the AC on constantly because it'll get unbearably hot within 10 minutes of turning it off.

Stupid Japs don't understand thermodynamics anyway, always running AC with windows open and also opening windows in the winter and complaining incessantly about how cold it is.

>>1679003
>living without insulation makes you die at your 40s

It’s not about hot or cold it’s about the moisture condensing in your walls. The last thing you want is mold in your walls. With mold you might as well tear down your house and start over.

>>1679043
>it doesn't get THAT cold in winter here (I'm from Wisconsin)
It got to forty below last winter.

>>1679050
Sorry, my syntax wasn't so clear... I'm in Gifu, the hot sweaty asshole of Japan, which has little bitch winters compared to what I'm used to.

>>1679047
>Aireated Brick Lovin' Croat: Insulation makes water condense in your walls and rots your house to the ground.
>You: Not having insulation makes water condense in your walls, you might as well tear down your house and start over.

What?

>>1679045
>Living without insulation is the same as living in an igloo.

>>1679055
What he is saying is that he is in the mold abatement business, the boom is over and now he needs to scare up some more customers.

The fact that you faggots think an igloo is cold shows how stupid the average fuck on this board is

in my country (uk) you get fucking black mould everywhere if you don't have any insulation

Igloo actually has good insulation, lol.

>>1679003
>dies at 40 anyway since cancer kill you from the insulation

>>1679106
>living in an igloo magically kills you at the age of 40

>>1679165
Not really. If you raise the temp above freezing, the igloo melts, which eats shitloads of energy in the state transition, and ends up turning the air filled snow into very heat conductive ice.
An igloo is a temporary shelter to avoid dying. It keeps you warm enough that your heavy clothing is enough to keep you alive.

>>1679271
Nah, snow is good thermal insulator. It just doesn't work so good at temperatures above 0 C

>>1678676
most efficient form of insulation is a vacuum

Op just needs to Vacuum his whole house.

>>1679321
Vacuum is only good against conduction and convection. Radiation gets through just fine. Copper-lined vacuum is a better insulator than pure vacuum.

>>1679301
That's essentially what I said

>>1678571
I have a house in Augusta Georgia that had little to no insulation left. It was made in the late 40s so everything was matted down or removed.
2017 winter heating bill was ~$200 a month.
Added insulation and replace about half the windows in 2018.
2018 winter heating bill was ~$125 a month.

I cant compare summer months since I was doing alot of construction with open holes in the exterior (replacing windows and doors) and my AC is electric versus heat is the only thing on natural gas.

>>1679370
$200 a month heating in Georgia? Jesus Christ. I'm in NH, where for four months the air burns your face. We're talking 15F highs and -5F lows for weeks. My heating bill is never more than$400 a month for an old 1,800 sq ft home. The average lows for Georgia in January is above freezing. The average highs are a downright tropical 52F. Do you have big holes punched through your ceiling or something?

>>1678571
Hi OP. I live in a 100 year old, stone farm house. None of downstairs is insulated but upstairs is. Insulation is less important than air tightness imo. Cold was never really an issue back in the day because there would constantly be a fire lit for cooking and the stone walls retain the heat quite well. It was a very holistic approach to heating.
A single, large air gap would be a poor insulator. There are natural products available like hemp or sheeps wool or you can use modern materials, either is good and better than nothing.

>>1679271
A well made igloo can easily last an entire season.

>>1679461
A well made human can easily suffer from fostbite and hypothermia in a single night in a well made igloo if they aren't dressed for below freezing temperatures.
Who the fuck wants to do that for an entire season? Retarded people, that's who. Nobody said the Eskimos were smart, just that they figured out how to not die in the climate they inexplicably put themselves in.

>>1679529
mong

where I live, there is a company that makes organic insulation out of phonebooks and other paper etc. HYPER based if you ask me. pic related

>>1679536
That's been common forever. Usually it's blown in attics and shit. I had a full foot of the stuff in my last house's attic.
It was still in good shape, but I'm sure the lofty quality of it will eventually fall out with gravity, and you'll have to replace it.

>>1679536
won't it just rot?

wouldn't polystyrene boards/beads be excellent insulation?

>>1679541
Cellulose won't rot if it stays dry.
Polystyrene is a decent insulator, but it's also flammable and expensive. Fiberglass is cheap and inflammable. I like rock wool as well, but it's a bit more expensive. It provides a better overall insulation quality if fit correctly, and is pretty good at deadening sound too.

Metal conducts heat faster than wood, so it would harm your insulation not improve it.

Your walls without insulation don’t really have an “air gap” for insulation since the boards on the walls aren’t air tight, that air flows in and out of the wall gap so your house would feel a very cold draft always. The insulation helps prevent that.

So it’s a trade off between fear of getting cancer or living in freezing cold(or heat where AC can’t help). You can always roll up news paper and stuff it in your walls, but that absorbs moisture and grows mold. It’s also way more flammable. Definitely don’t roll up news paper and stuff it in your walls.

Now, let’s talk about the fact char marks on food cause cancer.

>>1679547
>inflammable
Look up what this word means, anon.

>>1678571
>Why do I need to put carcinogenic stuff between my walls
you don't
there are better insulating things
you can also grow ivy on your walls, it helps insulating a bit, looks nice, gives loads of living room for small birds and spiders(which keep flies and other insects out of your home)

>>1679370
replace your furnace next.

>live in the north east
>buy house from 1890s
>first winter heating bill 300/ month keeping house at 68
>tear off rotting siding and bad lap board
>sprayfoam the bitch
>5/4×8 to use a lap board (original was rough cut 1x6 under the siding
>new windows etc.
>.5 inch foam panels
>boral siding

the next year my heating bill was 150/month, then i added ductwork so i could add an ac and hooked up a new furnace literally 5 times smaller that produced more btus and last winter my heating bill was $90/month at its highest keeping my house at 72 degrees

>>1678601
It may be rare but it will completely ruin your house if it does happen. I do like 3 or 4 jobs every year where a pipe burst and practically everything needs to be replaced and you have to live in a hotel for the 6 months it takes 5o replace.

>>1678571
>Is insulation a meme?

Yes. You should live in a cold shed.

*reproduces by the billions eating your organic insulation then moves to eat all the structural wood, your pictures, your documents, your wallpaper, your clothing, your glue and your soul once your home has crumbled into dust*

>>1678581
Castles 400 years ago were so cold they had fireplaces in every room, needed boxed-in sleeping cabinets or 4poster beds (literally a camping tent in the bedroom) and on top of that they needed warm gowns and hats to sleep in and hot coals nestled under the mattress.

>>1679560
In my defense it was very late and I was very tired when I posted that.

>>1679043
they do that because they use kerosene heaters indoors. if its really small with no mechanical air exchange you should cra k a window for those. but for a jap apartment and 23k btu units you would not even notice a 2 inch crack

the insulation is polyurethane, the same stuff you finish floors or furniture or deck with. having that kind of thing exposes you to more than would using it for insulation in a sealed wall cavity.

>>1678573
>any modern day insulation is safe.

LOL
O
L

>>1679624
>live in a hotel for the 6 months
That would be the worst case of a pipe bursting while you are out of town and water spills all over for days/weeks. Generally it is one wall that needs work and some basement work, perhaps a little floor and ceiling work near the wall, no need to move out. I have not known a single person that needed to move out for the repairs, just clear the areas with damage, generally things are back to normal in a week or two, pull out the damage, run some heaters to dry things out, new pipe and insulation, then drywall and finish up.

I do not believe you work in any trade that has deals with the aftermath of a burst pipe, should have said 1 month.

Most burst pipes tend to happen on a line feeding a rarely used bathroom, owners never use it so do not notice the pipe has frozen which allows enough water to freeze and pop the pipe. Use all of your sinks/toilets/tubs/showers every morning when things get cold, if something freezes put a pipe heater on it if you can, if not, disconnect the line somewhere past the freeze and pour boiling water down, have someone ready at the shutoff, water is going to gush. If you catch the freeze early it is simple to deal with and there will not be anywhere near enough pressure on the pipe to cause any damage.

>>1679393
$50 of that is just fees. $1.433 per therm for gas here...
>>1679596
About 2 weeks ago I started doing some heavier repairs. Ripped out a 30 ft long 16 ft high exterior wall and replaced it. The wall was all 2x4s with OSB on one side and drywall on the other. The one "support beam" made of 4 boxed 2x4s.
I replaced it all with 6x6 beams, treated 2x4s, rolled insulation, tyvek, solarboard, and shiplap siding.
The beams stick out ~4 inches inside the great room but I routered a shallow channel in them and inset some diffused leds to raise the over all light level in the massive 30x30 room.

>>1679834
laughing is not an argument

Hey retard. Floors, ceilings, walls are all insulation. Theres no such thing as a house without insulation. Without insulation you are outside.

And your stupid bungalow house will be fine
Your electric and gas bills will just be about 20% higher or so.

>>1679812
To be more accurate, they DID that because they USED kerosene heaters. I've worked at a lot of different schools and with the exception of one room in one school they haven't used kerosene heating in decades. I've heard plenty of people try to tell me that keeping the room at 8° C with the windows open and the AC heater set to 30° keeps germs away and prevents the students from getting colds. Meanwhile the poor kids aren't allowed to wear sweaters or anything...a lot of schools don't even allow girls to wear tights or stockings under their mandated skirts. Colds and flu rip through like epidemics because everybody's freezing. When I explain that cold suppresses the immune system and ask them if hospitals and clinics keep their rooms cold their eyes glaze over and their brains short circuit.

As for that single kerosene-heated room, it was something else. It was at a model school, allegedly staffed with Japan's best and brightest. Anyway, it was a wall-mounted unit with an external exhaust right next to the big window above it. Most mornings I would get there and the thing would be chugging away at full blast with that window directly above it wide open. All the heat went out and the room was always full of the exhaust.

I've also witnessed schools paying a couple jumpsuit guys a shitload of money to check all the electric AC units with carbon monoxide detectors.

This is a place where logic goes to die.

>>1679875
>$50 of that is just fees
That's a sorry state of affairs.

>>1679871
Most of the repairs I do are people that were on vacation or due to massive incompetence. For example the most recent one was a leak on the upper floor. The plumber who fixed the leak also detached the drain pipe for some reason and didnt tell anyone (no one seemed to be able to give me a reason) and when the crew came in the get the moisture out of everything on the upper floor they had a bunch of dehumidifiers and were draining it in the sink. So all the moisture in the upper floor got dumped into the main floor (which already had quite a bit of water damage) and seeped into the basement, completely ruining that. And the basement had just been renovated the year prior.

>>1679879
I renovated a house that had a door like this. I had to move the door and the wall in the bedroom (to make room for the door to fit inside the bedroom) to pass the inspection. I don't know what the hell the person though they were doing that put that in there.

>>1679878

My home does not have insulation because it was built in the 1920's and there is no way to properly heat/cool it efficiently. There's insulation sold as panels, which are more or less solid, and easier to handle than the fluffy batts or the sprayed on insulation.

Your best best is cellulose panels.

>>1679834
You have to wear PPE no matter what your spraying. Breathing aerosolized anything is bad for you dumb fuck.

>>1680326
Reminder that this is the guy who talked mad shit about tyvek wrap and made multiple posts about how it breaks down in the sun without knowing it goes on underneath siding.

Croat poster is a dumb piece of shit who doesn’t even know how any of these materials are used.

>>1680662
>Croat poster is a dumb piece of shit
Anyone who has seen a single post of his can figure that out.

>>1679321
I really should. There are crumbs all over the carpet.

>>1680326
This is why you build house from metal studs and asbestos.

The reason we insulate buildings isn't to keep the building warm, it's to reduce the heat lost through our bodies. It's all based on thermal comfort.

By insulting the building it reduces its rate of heat lost. As we occupy a space our bodies are warmer than the surrounding air, so we're effectively heating the spaces around us. By having walls with lower rates of heat loss, the equilibrium temperature would be higher and we'll therefore feel warmer.

It also has to do with surface temperature too. A big part of our thermal comfort isn't just air temperature, it's based on surface radiation too. A 23deg room will feel warmer next to a warmer wall than a cold single glazed window, even though the room is the same temperature.

Similarly, well insulated spaces tend to have less drafts. Sitting next to a blazing fire in your shack will feel warm until a windy draft caresses your neck.

So it's less about saving shekels, more about making your body not work as hard.

>>1678571
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNTfLGt59qo

>>1681784
>home build in finland
>no insulation needed

Everyone ITT BTFO

>>1678573
>any modern day insulation is safe
>safe
In 20 years they will be saying that 25% of stuff being used in this day and age are actually harmful to health. Remember that once smoking too was ok.

>>1678571
Depending how cold/warm your climate is, you could always go full ancient store and burn logs straight in your living room

I have a tangential question, I live in a house with a lot of thermal mass in the walls (mud brick) but no insulation - would it be better to insulate the inside or outside of the thermal mass? or insulate both sides?

>>1682300
Nah, asbestos are safe. People are retards.

>>1682300
not at all. consumer safety is much better since the 50's or 60's.

>>1682309
Insulating the outside would keep the thermal mass in the inhabited area, and thereby reduce temperature swings a lot. Insulating the inside would also help, just not as much. There are possible issues with both with insulating an existing structure, and those may take priority in determining where the insulation goes in your case.

>>1682296
It has insulation. Wood and stuff

>>1682329
Can you even read?

>>1678571
>carcinogenic stuff
>over 100 replies
Man, /diy/ is so fucking easy to troll it seems.

>>1682695

>Who's the master??!!

>>1680662
to be fair i've seen too many tyvek wraps put on and left for months before siding is put on

>>1678571
>pennies
Hoo boy are you retarded. Not only does it save you money, it makes it much easier for the houses temperature to stay consistent because AC isn't going to be able to keep up with an uninsjlated shithole. It also keeps pests and humidity out. Have fun living in an uninsulated house when it's humid.

>>1682306
Full stone is always superior. The only problem is that it's ridiculously expensive.

>>1682806
>Full stone is always superior.
Seismic codes would like a word with you.

>>1678584
Insulation is meant to save you up money. If you can blow 300 euros per month during winter then good on you

>>1682826
You can make seismic buildings out of brick. Chileans can prove it.
But I personally don't like brick they use, it is one layer and no insulation, like at all... I like metal studs more, though wood is fine too.

>>1683169
>save 30 bucks monthly
>have to pay trillions of dollars later on on chemo

>>1683251
Get asbestos insulation. Safe as fuck.

>>1683242
>You can make seismic buildings out of brick. Chileans can prove it.
In that case, it's steel reinforcement that holds the wall together. "Full stone" as mentioned earlier doesn't have that.

>>1678571

>>1683482
Well, yes. In some houses concrete box around bricks.
Full stone can work too, but only if stones are this sort of big and heavy. I'm 100% sure Peru is seismic too.

>>1678571
It's not pennies in a cold climate, but you need to run a heat recovery system instead of open windows for ventilation.

>>1678571
Yes it's a meme created to justify building macdonald houses out of cardboard and shit materials
In older houses with stone walls (and wooden walls as you say), you didn't have insulation issues

If you dont want insulation make an underground home. It stays a pretty constant temp when you get a few feat down and you dont need insulation. You also dont need a bunker so construction is more about finding a suitable place to build above the water table.
Alternatively you could build into a cave and have one exposed wall which wouldnt be that bad.
Google million dollar cave homes to see some amazing ones.

>>1684254
They had plenty of problems, which were solved by burning twice as much wood and coal to stay warm and keep the dampness out.

>>1678571
You might be on to something. What if we used water to insulate between walls? Keeps the moisture out!!

>>1684286
Basically this.
Europoors BTFO, they waster two times as much on heating, if you consider average europoor house area.

Only frozen shitholes like Russia, Finland, Sweden could into warm houses in Europe.

>>1678586
>House made entirely of metal would be impervious to termites.
OH GOD IT'S RAINING. I CAN'T HEAR MYSELF THINK ANYMORE.

>>1678863
>in the future we may find a property of fiberglass that makes it totally unsafe
No, we won't.

>>1678586
>Also get paint that blocks 5g signals while you are at it.
Why? An all-metal house will shield you from most RF including 5G (not that it was going to boil you anyway...)

>>1685351
Having attic insulation turns the pings of rain on a steel roof into a pleasant sound.

>>1685275
>can afford twice as much heating
>poor
Is that what your wife's mexican bull told you?

>>1682300
yeah - look to all the unregulated materials that come in from china. 90% rise in autism is direct result of increased direct to consumer shipping from overseas.

>>1685275
retard

>>1678575
Oh it's croation house fag
he wants his house to breathe better than he does

>>1685453
>Is that what your wife's mexican bull told you?
Let's have sex. Tu y mi. Solo dos.

>>1685453
>need to pay for twice as much on heating
>less money left over to spend on other things
>less money than the average American to start with, along with higher energy costs
Have you considered that a lack of understanding of basic economics contributes to Europeans' lower productivity?

>>1686215
>said the amerishart while reminiscing of the economical prowess that his country has achieved by wasting trillions of dollars on negro welfare, letting illegal spics run amok on his job market, having a currency lower in value than the euro, and managing to have similar purchase power to a western european despite not being even able to have free healthcare

Shart in mart, cletus. At least our houses last centuries unlike your OSB "mansions", paying "twice" as much for heat is a better tradeoff.

>>1686218
>the economical prowess that his country has achieved by wasting
That economic prowess is in spite of those things you mentioned, not because of them. Think hard about that. Tangentially, here's another basic economics thing:
>having a currency lower in value than the euro
This is entirely unrelated to the strength or wellbeing of an economy. The amount of value a country, economy, etc. has is unrelated to the size of the units used to quantify it. When economists talk about a currency being "strong" or "weak", they're talking about something else.

>At least our houses last centuries
This is only a good thing in an economy so stagnant that people living centuries apart would want similar living arrangements. American houses are typically demolished and replaced every few generations. meaning that American homes on average are larger, newer, and are built to make use of modern technologies like electricity and forced-air ventilation. And, on topic, effective insulation that makes American houses not just cheaper to construct and nicer to live in, but cheaper to maintain at a comfortable internal temperature and humidity as well.

>>1686227
>can't detect sarcasm
>doesn't refute anything
This is what a non sharter reads your post:
>getting a mortgage for a shit shack that will be demolished in 30 years is good, we, somehow, need to constantly change our living spaces because homosexual interior decorators and pinterest #justgirlthings say so

Pathetic.

Meanwhile we don't have to worry about our house crumbling down and can leave something of worth for our children when we pass away.

>>1686232
>my sarcasm wasn't refuted
>this means that it wasn't detected!
And if you want to leave something of value for your children, you should dismantle the European Union immediately. Political solutions are still possible, but they won't be for much longer. If you don't get your affairs in order, the most useful material goods to pass on will be weapons and ammunition, not a house that will likely be destroyed in the fighting.

>>1686235
>Political solutions are still possible
No they aren't, both america and europe are going down. Now if you ask me who's gonna fend off the brown horde for longer, me with a house made out of stone or you with an OSB shack that can be punched through, take a guess.

>>1686232
>Meanwhile we don't have to worry about our house crumbling down
This is shit that euros worry about because they have no real perspective. I've lived in hundred year old stick built homes that weren't exactly extremely solid even when brand new. Generally the biggest problem is all the organic insulation has fallen to the bottom of the wall, making it hard to heat economically. Structural problems only happen if the home was neglected for many years, as in a decade or more. Wood lasts hundreds of years if kept in good shape. As long as you fix leaks quickly and do preventative maintenance occasionally (caulk windows and openings every 10 years, reshingle the roof every 15 years or use metal), the house will last a long time. Modern homes will do even better, with stapled fiberglass insulation and better water mitigation techniques you'll have a still comfortable and easy to care for home in 100 years.

>>1686738
>implying termites and insects don't exist

>>1686743
>Implying they're a problem everywhere
>Implying it doesn't take years of not giving a fuck to get damage bad enough to affect the structure.
If you live in a termite infested area then you're going to construct with more pressure treated wood and greater ground clearance. Termites will eat any wood not toxic enough to kill them, but they're only attracted to rotting wood in the first place.

>>1686751
They can't eat through metal though

>>1686751
>this level of cope
>implying termites don't cause trillions of dollars in damage worldwide

>>Implying it doesn't take years of not giving a fuck to get damage bad enough to affect the structure.
>Implying you can do anything short of wasting thousands of dollars in pest control and wacky shit like that

>>1686755
Metal is expensive and conducts heat like mad. Steel interior beams are common in US houses though.

>>1686757
I live in New England and I've literally never seen a termite outside pictures. Few places have them bad enough to warrant different construction technique. I'm sure there's more masonry in such areas. I'd likely go with CIF if there was a 10% or better chance of infestation.
And yes, it takes a long time for them to do a worrying amount of damage. Meanwhile you'll hear little noises in the walls. Exterminating them isn't difficult either. Really making mountains out of termite hills here.

>>1686762
>Exterminating them isn't difficult either
How so.

>>1678583
Can confirm. Slept in an abandoned Jap home and it was cold as fuck. Just a bit less cold than outside, barely.

>>1686768

just get some ants, most invasive species will wipe out termites

>>1679541
It's also treated with chemicals to make sure it dosent burn.

>>1679655
And they had carpets hanging on every wall to insulate as best as they could. People still think they had bare walls.

>>1678571
use foam or polystirene u tardlord

>>1678571
In the Netherlands all new houses are built with insulation and an air cavity (see pic). We've been doing it like this since the 70ies/80ies. It works really well.
I think the Germans and Belgians use a similar system.

>>1688088
Rockwool with air gap is superior to fiberglass in many way. Some homes in the US are done like this, or with a fully filled gap if the builder is loaded, but most are still made with fiberglass because it's cheaper is does a reasonable job.

>>1688336
Rockwool is nice but it's already on its way out in NL. To be able to comply with the more recent building code (and not end up with a 500mm thick wall/roof) most houses are fitted with insulation material such as:
https://www.kingspan.com/us/en-us/product-groups/insulation/insulation-boards/kooltherm-k8-cavity-board

>>1690000
Also, almost always with a cavity though since that solves a lot of potential moisture problems and even adds a small bit of insulation.

>>1679535
cutie boy

>>1687889

>sleeping in an abandoned Japanese home

For what purpose

>>1679043
>Stupid Japs don't understand thermodynamics anyway, always running AC with windows open
There is another reason to run AC with windows. Fresh air.
Americans can have fresh air intake and sensors in ductwork, they use mini splits, which can't suck outdoor air. So they use windows.
> and also opening windows in the winter and complaining incessantly about how cold it is.
Propane or kerosene heaters.

>>1678730
Your dumb. Many houses in europe have extensions built I got a garage and 4th bedroom done a couple of years ago.

>>1688088
Hey I'm sure you're a cool guy and I bet your Dutch system is fine, but I have a Dutch coworkers who is always bitching about how they do things better in Europe (building codes, nutritional recommendations, etc) and he's a fucking little bug person bitch, so I'm going to have to go ahead and tell you with all due respect and apologies to go fuck off