/diy/ - Do It Yourself

>>1659493
Then rains . kek

>>1659493
Ok, we’ve hard about OSB. I’ve experienced the stuff going to oatmeal consistency when hept soggy.
What about the other cheap substitute sheathings used by mass-builders of low-end US houses- foil covered foam, and that fiber board stuff. Aren’t they also pure crap?

>>1659493
it rains on these structures constantly in east texas and nothing happens, i think you are just ill informed.

>>1659493
what's wrong with plywood?

>>1659493
It's florida, they have to rebuild it every few years due to cat 4 hurricanes and tornadoes that strip the asphalt from roads, or massive sinkholes that swallow neighborhoods while they sleep

>>1659640
that's not plywood

>>1659519
foiled foam is an OK material. usually mold/pest resistant and decent air seals.

>

why?

>>1659800
As has been pointed out countless times, that's not an OSB problem, it was a siding problem. Water intrusion would have destroyed plywood sheathing, studs, rim joists, and any other wooden part of that wall just as it did the OSB.

>>1659644
Most of florida's houses are concrete block houses from the 60s/70s. Only retarded rich people build houses like OP.

>>1659830
Just use brick then.

>>1660124
bingbong

>>1660125
Not an argument. There are houses in bongistan that are older than the US, and in better condition.

>>1660128
and they're dank as fuck on the inside. A house doesn't have to last 200 fucking years to be good. Who gives a fuck how long the shithouse is standing? Gimme a house that has 50-70 good years of comfortable living in it.

>>1660129
>and they're dank as fuck on the inside
No, that's modern shit with little to no ventilation.
>A house doesn't have to last 200 fucking years to be good
Didn't say it did. Seethe harder.
>Gimme a house that has 50-70 good years of comfortable living in it
Good luck finding a McMansion in America like that.

>That feel when your house is solid brick with plaster walls

Feels very comfy living in a bomb shelter

>>1660124
Brick is a veneer, it hasn't been a suitable building material for a long time.

>>1660305
In euro countries it certainly is a building material. They just two layers of bricks with a moisture gap.

>>1660138
Brick suck.
No, really, what the fuck. I lived in stick house before, and now I had moved to brick house. What the fuck, during summer it is fucking too hot, AC can't keep up (I bought system thinking that brick has same thermal insulation as fucking 10 cm of fiberglass insulation and drywall). During winter (mild winter, rarely gets below 0C/32F), AC and oil heater can't keep up with heating the shit.
I ended up installing thin sheet metal studs, thin (2,5 cm thick, 1 inch i guess) styrofoam insulation (because I don't like fiberglass, it required PPE to work), and drywall. Now I can use AC only to heat up the house (thank got I had some slack in copper lines for AC).
Also, this is reason why people in cold places used wood to build fucking houses.

>>1660337
Also, brick is shit for earthquakes (and bombs), unless you add rebars, which means you're better with concrete box, which would have way better thermal insulation.

>>1660305
>Brick is a veneer, it hasn't been a suitable building material for a long time.

t. Matt McContractor Risinger

>>1660337
>No, really, what the fuck. I lived in stick house before, and now I had moved to brick house. What the fuck, during summer it is fucking too hot, AC can't keep up

you are doing something very wrong if that is the case, can you give more info on that brick house

>implying anyone likes OSB besides contractors using it to cut costs to sell to consumers that don't care if their house is made out of used toilet paper
Lumber and actual plywood is a completely antiquate building material.

>>1660417
>you are doing something very wrong if that is the case,
Not me, someone who had designed that house, and who though that one layer of bricks would be a good insulation. 14 cm thick wall, and apparently reinforced with rebar, because I hit that shit twice when I was hanging TV first time. Brick obviously has cavities, but they don't help a fuck.

>>1660553
Also as a bonus, I have now nice smooth walls.

>>1660305
>Brick is a veneer
lol no

>>1660305
>Brick is a veneer
lmao, the mental gymnastics on this one are out of this world

>>1660553
>one layer of bricks
There's your fucking problem, Anon. Cavity wall is a must with brick built houses, and don't forget the damp proof course.

>>1660583
Cavity wall is a meme. Literally 1 inch of Styrofoam insulation and drywall would fix the shit.
Brick is a shitty building material. Only reason why Europoors were using is because clay was cheaper than wood, and they had sun to dry the shit. People from frozen shitholes were using brick only to build a fireplace.
Wood is better, because it is a better heat insulator, and allows for 10 cm (4 inches) of insulation inside outside walls.
Metal studs are better, because they allow thick insulation, and it is much easier to deal with than wood or brick.
Concrete is better, because it is stronger than brick.

>>1660590

>>165949
arent you tired of spamming this shit, faggot?
we got your message. you build from stone and brick in your shithole.
what's your end game?

>>1659527
shout out nacogdoches

>>1660616
No, really, cavity wall is a meme.
Siding and thermal insulation would be cheaper, and better.
Or like I did, thermal insulation and drywall.

>>1660678
Also, wood is your friend, because it reduced CO2 emissions (actually negative CO2) and shit.
Look, Finland is frozen shithole. Wooden house, because it is better thermal insulator.
Or America, where it is fucking hot, and fucking cold. Majority of buildings are wooden.

>>1660305
>Brick is a veneer
nigga, a single wythe of bricks is more than sufficient structure for a single story home. framing it out on the inside with 2x4 is just makes finish work and plumbing/electrical easier.

>>1660553
>one layer of bricks
The absolute state of amerishart building standards.

>>1659527
This. OSB gets rained on during construction and it doesn't hurt it. It needs to be in constant contact with water for prolonged periods for it to start fucking it up. And that is usually caused by improper siding/flashing installation, not a flaw with the material itself. If all the exterior finishes are installed properly, a house built with studs and OSB sheathing can last a hundred years. It just gets a bad reputation because mass produced homes are build using bargain bin labor that can't do shit right.

>>1660305
euro's, you realise that when Americans do use brick, they still build their houses out of sticks, but then tie brick to it for decoration.
so from the american perspective of being retarded he is right

Brick has shit for lateral stability, it's only strong under a vertical load. It's why in the US you can't build a house using a single layer of brick for the exterior walls, it doesn't pass structural code. If you want a brick exterior it has to be done as a veneer over either a wood frame structure or a masonry block structure.

The only reason europoors care so much about brick vs stone is that they had to rebuild twice now because of American bombs lol.

We don't have to fear it because europoors cant into navy.

>>1660979
brick is better material.

but america has lots of managed forest farms + canada, which makes wood products cost essentially nothing (although "brands" still make americans pay through the nose for it)

also america doesn't have a history, so the idea of a building, let alone your house lasting for hundreds of years is anathema to them.
houses are just another consumer product in America. houses are not their "castle" like europe.
they have paper walls and guns instead.

>>1660979
This is the most retarded post i've read in a long time.

>>1660973
Still better than living in commie block.

>>1659519
total garbage imo... yea. i dont understand why they cant throw a tarp over the damn thing for a while.

>>1659830
THIS. Sub-standard installation of siding. I'm putting my kids through college because of this sorta mess. Unskilled, untrained, meth head, trailer park, redneck, cuzzin bubbas, working off the books for $10 an hour is the main workforce in my part of Alabama. This is the sort of problem they cause, and I'm makin' bank because of it. I seen one house so messed up, it was cheaper to tear it down and rebuild from scratch on the old foundation.

>>1660992
socialists on literal life support

>>1659493
this makes me want to be an american builder so easy to make so much money, I can't believe they're willing to live in doll houses

>>1659493
murica fuck yeah

>>1659800
Well for one the dipshit cunts used plastic instead of housewrap...

>>1660131
Lives thousands of miles away. Seethes and talls shit. Never steped foot in america.

K

>>1660340
Concrete box. Thermal insulation.

U best mean the new preformed foam concrete shit.

>>1660572
>>1660579

Typically over the last 40 years brick siding isn't really structural. Helps durability and shit some but the house is wood and osb just like all of america and then brick around the outside.

It's extremely uncommon to see a newer brick house sinpky because of cost and efficiency

>>1660690
Thats the opposite tho.

Facepalm

>>1660973
Fuckoff to your damp and moldy 700 year old basement newfaggot. We would rather spend money on shit like a social life and funs than a mansion thats inevitably going to be full of immigrants andtrucks of peace.

The absokute state or eurocucks

>>1660976
This. I have a pile of 3/4" osb from a defunct project given to me. The top sheet has had like 2 feet of rain this year and the rest is fine. Top sheet only slightly swollen and probably going to wind up a disposable work bench top

>>1660979
MY FUCKIN SIDES.

>>1660982
So much this. Not to mention i firmly believe in economic collapse. Why build a legacy just to have it bomned by russians or china?

>>1661005
Because you dont need to. I'll get pics later. A buddy started a shop a decade ago. Its all osb and in better shape than mcmansion fuckups because he never put siding on it. So it gets wet and dries. Doesnt hold water. Doesnt mold. Its brown and swollen but ffs if it takes a decade to build a hoise give it up anyway

>Fuckoff to your damp and moldy 700 year old basement newfaggot. We would rather spend money on shit like a social life and funs than a mansion thats inevitably going to be full of immigrants andtrucks of peace.

>>1661766
this october

>>1660590
>Wood is better

so why do you use gluecompounds like OSB instead of wood then?

>>1661743
>Seethes and talls shit. Never steped foot in america
>talls
>steped
Jesus Christ. Get an education, you retarded mutt.

>>1661837
>OSB
Shit is cheap. This is why. Also sandwich-panes are available, which are badass.
I would use plywood though, since it is nicer to work with.
>>1661758
This. Fuck living in 500+ year old house. Who knows what rare earth ebola it has growing inside the wall.
>>1660978
True, it requires rebars in order to have some strength, at this point you're better pouring shit out of concrete.

>>1659493

>>1660129
Unless you're building it yourself on the cheap, the point of getting a mortgage instead of renting is that idea you can pass it on to your children in some sort of usable state.

>>1662200
Buying instead of renting is so that you accrue equity, then if/when you sell you can get the money out that you've paid in. This opposed to paying equity into the landlord's account that you'll never see again. Passing it to your kids is a nice thought and entirely possible, but fraught with issues and potential problems.

>>1662200
Your kids don't want your fucking house, when you die. Why do boomers think this?
>>1662208 is right. Make your fucking money back and sell.

>>1659493
This reminds me of that house built from popsicle sticks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ept5lAWcmXU

>>1660305
>Brick is a veneer
Only in stick frame McMansions.

>>1660305
Do americans really

>>1664030
It's not viable when you have 200 circuits to run and several thousand feet of network cable. Plus plumbing is also a nightmare.

>>1660305
>brick is a veener
Most houses in Chile are made of brick and they support earthquakes that makes every amerilard get a massive cardiac attack every time.

America houses are built so cheap well most of them...

>>1664056
You can route channels in ytong and gypsum blocks easily.

>>1664086
Not nearly as easily as a bunch of wooden sticks.

>>1664068
>Most houses in Chile are made of brick
I don't think so.
There are more wooden frame or poured concrete, than brick ones.
Also metal frame houses are sort of popular.
> they support earthquakes that makes every amerilard get a massive cardiac attack every time.
Because earthquake spics were smart enough to add rebars to equation. And in many cases pored concrete box around it. Or steel beams in bigger older buildings.

What really pisses me off in your chilean brick house is its thermal insulation and its thermal capacity.
It is not that cold outside now (I can wear shorts), but fucking first floor (which is brick) is a frozen shithole.
In summer it is the opposite, it is cold outside, but unbearably hot inside.
Second floor is metal frame construction, and it is like 8-10 cm thick, including siding... Shit never gets that hot, nor that cold. Even with that thin 5 cm fiber glass insulation.
>>1664090
Also this. I needed extra outlet. I made a hole in the wall, fished flexible cable conduit, and boom. Ready.
With brick - forget about neat job.

>>1659800
>vapour barrier on the outside

must be some southern state

i have found the superior building material senpaitachi

>>1664097
>There are more wooden frame or poured concrete, than brick ones.
Wooden frame only is seen in rural places here. Santiago is full of brick houses under loads of stucco.
>What really pisses me off in your chilean brick house is its thermal insulation and its thermal capacity.
>It is not that cold outside now (I can wear shorts), but fucking first floor (which is brick) is a frozen shithole.
Al these houses where built when Santiago had a real mediterranean climate, but now Santiago its more desertic than ever.
Also, nobody has intention of insulate here. Its too costly and wages here are shit as fuck. And nobody knows how to do insulation jobs properly anyways.

>>1664171
>i have found the superior building material senpaitachi

looks airtightTM!!

>>1664086
>>1664030
>>1664097
>With brick - forget about neat job.

yes american do really.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHjl9q74tfo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x1pimy0Jt4

>>1664698
Now, try the same, but without ruing wallpaper or plaster. Or just fucking brick look/texture.
>pro tip: you can't

three pigs

hay house - blew away because it's shit, pig is eaten
stick house - blew away, cannot keep wolf out, eats pig
brick house - wolf goes hungry because superior building material

they knew the superiority of bricks in the fucking I don;t know 12th century whenever when they wrote the story about the pigs

fucking dawn of time cro magnon man knew this and you dumbfucks don't know this with people telling you it;s the case

you know who makes houses out of sticks and wood? africans in africa who can't even agriculture. are you not smarter than an african african?

>>1664705
That folklore thing is just as misleading as "cats hunt mouse and sheit".
>Wooden stick house
Superior heat insulation, earthquake proof.
Remodeling is easy.
>Concrete house
Poor insulation, but strong and will withstand tornado and earthquake if designed properly.
Remodeling is complicated.
>Metal stick house
Superior earthquake resistance, and good insulation.
Remodeling is even easier, than with wood, since it uses screws, not nails.
>Brick house
Shitty insulation, worse than wood in earthquake, unless you use rebars, at which point, you're better of with concrete poured structure.
Remodeling is fucking mold fighting hell

>>1664718
>bad insulation
This confuses and enrages the american.

>>1664731

I'm an american and that looks pretty cool to me.

>>1664735
Not sure what that guy is on about, if the foam boards are thick enough the heat flow rate through the walls becomes negliable regardless of the building materials.
As for his "muh earthquakes", if it's really that much of an issue base isolation exists you know. And i'd like to see him mental gymnastic his way out of the obvious fire hazard and water damage risks that come along with wooden structures.

>>1664731
>undulating brick course
>insufficient mortar
>irregular spacing
Someone needs to learn how to lay brick

>>1664731
I would pay good money to see some bonglander come out to Southern California and build something like that right before an earthquake hits.

Also this. >>1664759 It's pretty shitty work. It is a bad craftsman that only cares about the parts you can see when work is complete.

>>1664731
I knew that such things exist, but that is unnecessary work anyway. Plus, this structure won't be earthquake-proof. Also, outside veneer seems shitty to me.
>>1664748
You don't really need base isolation for 1-3 storie building.
You either need rebars in brick, or/and concrete beams around bricks. I'm EE, not architect, so I don't know details.
I mean, it is possible to make earthquake proof brick buildings. But it is only viable if brick is cheaper than concrete and you have cheap working force. This is why you will never see brick house in Japan (earthquake chinks), but you will see a lot of them in Chile (earthquake spics). Which are pretty old, which means they don't collapse.
>fire hazard
Not every type of brick is fire resistant. In most cases you would need to rebuild the wall, which is a fucking challenge.
Thing is, metal beams, brick, concrete don't burn, but all loose their strength when heated.
>>1664835
You can actually build brick to withstand earthquakes.

>>1664835
>>1664835
>building housing in places where there's earthquakes
yanks: providing shitty solutions for problems they created for no fucking reason

>>1664855
Earthquake is no big deal. Tornado is.

>>1661597
Please tell me how you are making money? Are you doing siding repair or full replacement ?

>>1664387
wena po sapo ql jajajajajajsjsja

>>1664387
>Wooden frame only is seen in rural places here. Santiago is full of brick houses under loads of stucco.
Maybe, I don't live in Santiago, but in Valpo, where you have more diversity when it comes to building material. Still, they are not your typical Europoor brick. They have some sort of weird concrete box around them etc.
>Al these houses where built when Santiago had a real mediterranean climate, but now Santiago its more desertic than ever.
Interesting. Why?
>Also, nobody has intention of insulate here. Its too costly and wages here are shit as fuck. And nobody knows how to do insulation jobs properly anyways.
Well, when it comes to Metalcon and similar wood stick shit, you have no option but insulate. Even that shitty 2-5 cm fiber glass insulation is enough to keep nicer temperatures inside.
Electricity is expensive. Insulation would pay for itself in no time. Sure, you can burn wood, or kerosene... But wood burning thing would be expensive, and kerosene smells horribly.
I think for your climate mini split AC is perfect heater. I installed one, and now I have +22 C inside, while spending same amount of electricity.

BTW, Pro for brick.
You can easily hang 30 kilo box on it, without worrying about anything. Try that with metal frame or wood.

>>1664852
I'm a ME specialised in energy engineering, your uneducated attempts at trying to educate me about insulation is hilarious when i had to retrofit older houses to passive house standards as a uni project.
>I knew that such things exist, but that is unnecessary work anyway
Not an argument whatsoever, just admit that you don't know what you're talking about, it's pretty much the standard way of building in all of western-europe nowadays where they have one of the strictest building regulations in the world.
>Not every type of brick is fire resistant. In most cases you would need to rebuild the wall, which is a fucking challenge.
There's this fun little experiment you can do even at home! thrown a brick in a fire, and a piece of OSB, see one of the two will last the longest!
Or what about an 800 year old cathedral on fire built when they still didn't know what they were doing. Guess what parts were undamaged, it weren't the wooden constructions.
Try to do the experiment where you submerge the two in water for a couple of days, to simulate a leaking pipe, see which one comes out the best.
Just admit your glue-woodchip-drywall-wood abominations are highly inferior in terms of durability and stop embarrassing yourself.
>b-but muh earthquakes
Yes all our medieval buildings are destroyed by now because of earthquakes. Oh wait, they aren't.

>>1664919
>There's this fun little experiment you can do even at home! thrown a brick in a fire, and a piece of OSB, see one of the two will last the longest!
OSB doesn't carry load. So correct comparison will be with 2x4 (10cm x 5 cm) in the fire.
>Or what about an 800 year old cathedral on fire built when they still didn't know what they were doing.
800 years ago, there were no different bricks for structures and for fire places.
>Try to do the experiment where you submerge the two in water for a couple of days, to simulate a leaking pipe, see which one comes out the best.
Galvanized steel beam.
>Just admit your glue-woodchip-drywall-wood abominations are highly inferior in terms of durability and stop embarrassing yourself.
Who needs house to last over 200 years anyway? It is unsanitary.
>Yes all our medieval buildings are destroyed by now because of earthquakes. Oh wait, they aren't.
Hm... Why every time when slight quake hits Italy, their fucking shithoues collapse?
>just admit that you don't know what you're talking about
Yes, just admit that 99.9% of brick houses that are already built have piss poor insulation, compared to 99.9% of wooden houses.
>western-europe nowadays where they have one of the strictest building regulations in the world.
Oh, look, we made finally insulation standards in 1980-90... While US had those strict heat insulation standards for years. While Russia had proper insulation standards for years. While Finland was building proper insulated house for years. Know why? Because in -20 C heating is expensive, and you need it, because you would die without it. Because in +100 F air conditioning is expensive.
In your westen europe, it rarely gets below -5 C. No big deal having shitty insulation there.

>>1661817
>its not even transparent its just the color of blueboards
I hate you and all your retarded ilk

>>1662214
>he didn't want his parents house
Why should I bother paying goldstein to rent a shitty apartment when I can just own the home I've lived in since childhood?

>>1664928
And speaking of insulation, you need at least 10 cm of fiber glass in Russian climate.
That is a really thick wall you got there, with 2 layers of brick. Thicker wall - less area.
With SIP panels, you can reduce it to 7-8 cm, and in case of fire you just rebuild the shit, since it is dirt cheap.

SIP panels are the future. They need to find a way of attaching steel sheets and drywall to Styrofoam.

This confuses American, and enrages European.

This confuses and enrages European really badly.
Imagine building a house it 1 day!

>>1664928
>OSB doesn't carry load. So correct comparison will be with 2x4 (10cm x 5 cm) in the fire.
OSB is used extensively so yes it's a correct comparisan. And as if 2x4 wood would come even come close to brick in a fire, lmao. Brick may crack in extreme cases but that doesn't matter really much in a vertical load, prefered to an ash pile imo.
>800 years ago, there were no different bricks for structures and for fire places.
Yeah obviously everyone used the same bricks and they were all superior to modern technologies especially in fire safety.
>Galvanized steel beam.
Doesn't stop your walls, lungs, roof, and floor from turning into a mushroom farm.
>Who needs house to last over 200 years anyway? It is unsanitary.
Yeah building things to last is so stupid (wtf?).
>Hm... Why every time when slight quake hits Italy, their fucking shithoues collapse?
Have you ever visited Rome?? Last time i checked the Colosseum was still there. I'm not from Italy but our 500+ year old buildings are doing pretty well.
>Yes, just admit that 99.9% of brick houses that are already built have piss poor insulation, compared to 99.9% of wooden houses.
see>>1664731 and >>1664919
You don't know what you're talking about. Cavity walls were pretty much standard early 20th century and the vast majority of buildings were built after WWII so i really don't get where you're getting this from.
>Oh, look, we made finally insulation standards in 1980-90... While US had those blah blah blah..
Still no arguments here. There's literally nothing that prevents you to build a highly insulated masonry house and it's done all the time now. And most efforts for olders houses for better insulation usually go to the roof that's ironically a wooden structure.
And using Russia as an example to support your case, how desperate are you? They regulate the temperatures in their commieblocks by opening their windows in -40° weather because the local power plant doesn't give a fuck how hot it gets in your room.

>>1664937
Also, the east coast of the US which is also the oldest and one of the colder regions has plenty of masonry buildings, it's literally a non-argument.
Text was too long

>>1664933
>a few cm thicker walls, huuuuger area loss!!!
get a grip

>>1664935
Built in one day, destroyed in 10 years. 10/10 investment.

>>1664937
>Doesn't stop your walls, lungs, roof, and floor from turning into a mushroom farm.
This is what was happening with brick, when it was getting hit with water, and got soaked really bad. I had hard time killing fucking mold. Tons of bleach and detergent was wasted.
With siding/drywall/fiber glass insulation/metal frame, I would just replaced affected area, since it is literally held by 20-30 screws. It would be much faster and easier, than trying to kill mold inside of brick pores.
>They regulate the temperatures in their commieblocks by opening their windows in -40° weather because the local power plant doesn't give a fuck how hot it gets in your room.
See, really good insulation.
Do you know why they are giving so much heat? Brick commie blocks always don't get enough heat, despite cavity wall and shit.
>>1664940
Oldest SIP panel buildings are at least 30 years old now, still working. Huh.

Why don't we use vacuum for insulation?

>>1659493
Typical American house

>>1665141
Too expensive and inconvenient

>>1664731
>cavity with rock wool

are you dutch? Here we use external wool and plaster it, layer of aeratedTerraTM bricks is the same but our aeratedTerraTM bricks are much wider and we frame the whole thing with RC, do you have issues with stability of cavity walls or mold build up on rock wool?

Is the design of a neo-cavity wall with rock wool different than old school cavity wall with freeflowing air?

>>1664855
>yanks: providing shitty solutions for problems they created for no fucking reason

lol, and then eternal yank goes again >>1664856
>Earthquake is no big deal. Tornado is.

>>1664933
>And speaking of insulation, you need at least 10 cm of fiber glass in Russian climate.

well shit, we use at least 10cm of external rock wool or styro, its an overbuilt thermal wise, what are SIP panels?

>>1664934
>labour intensive
>expensive materials
>suboptimal use of materials

and still can survive a serious wind unlike a chep o croatian shitshack with CHAD REINFORCED CONCRETE

>>1664935
as if OSB wasnt toxic enough, you do a double and ad extra toxic foam between

>>1664934
also, that brick wall is terribly unstable since it isnt top loaded (=expect cracks soon), its low built so it can pass but I know that you build taller facade brick walls that way. very dangerous and such a waste of nice masonry. many such cased. not housepilled!

>>1665742
>what are SIP panels?
these >>1664935
>well shit, we use at least 10cm of external rock wool or styro, its an overbuilt thermal
Huh. OK.
It is often done as retrofit in Russia for brick houses (usually after owners see their gas bill).
>and still can survive a serious wind unlike a chep o croatian shitshack with CHAD REINFORCED CONCRETE
Maybe, idk.

>>1665141
for the same reason we don't use vacuum balloons

>>1659644
Nope. Florida houses have to be built by either cinderblock or concrete on the first level after 2015 for some reason

>>1665805
>It is often done as retrofit in Russia for brick houses (usually after owners see their gas bill).

many commie block apartments do the same thing here and it works quite well, I just took a few pictures of a retrofit process of a commie apartment, I should upload it, its either styrofoam or rock wool, but always external

>>1660138
Same here, comfy af

>>1660340
>bombs

No one is going to bomb my Rust Belt home

>>1665742
No idea m8, i posted >>1664731 because some uneducated twat kept rambling about the inherent insulation issues that come with brick even though that's a flat out lie, no idea what the details are about the particular example i posted.

>>1660128
hilarious that the yurop vs usa house materials argument never involves japan, who have the same practises: cheap materials, meant to be replaced. of course based nips can do no wrong because everyone likes jacking off to their cartoon girls

Imagine building your home as anything other than a Monolithic Dome.

>>1666277
You never heard of the stereotype of Japanese houses having paper walls? Fucking Honda designed a car that young couples could use to shag in. That was the only way they'd have some privacy.

>>1659718
I THINK HES ASKING WHY THEY DONT USE PLYWOOD INSTEAD OF CHEAP CRAPPY SAWDUST PANELS

>>1666282
Geodesic. Only geodesic.

>>1666493
thanks m8, that's exactly what I was asking.

>>1664731
Amerikanen will never understand quality Dutch building

>>1666459
>Fucking Honda designed a car that young couples could use to shag in
[citation needed] mainly because I am curious.

>>1667682
>Amerikanen will never understand quality Dutch building
Nothing wrong with using engineered local materials.

>>1660138
This, solid brick, added insulation on the insidr though. Shit is /comfy/ af. House literally survived German invasion, Market Garden and 1945

>>1664695
'fine craftsmanship' he's not even joking, is he?

>>1667682
>Amerikanen will never understand quality Dutch building
Prolly because most Amerikanen don't live on reclaimed swamps.

>place a penny on the completed project
>house collapses like legos

>>1667974
Florida lol

>>1659800
need to use house-wrap its meant to breathe,unlike the plastic wrap used in pic related.
This is a nice troll pic but seriously whoever wrapped this house in vapor barrier needs to suck start a 12 gauge.

>>1666277
>yurop vs usa house materials argument somehow should involve japan

>>1666277
>whataboutism

>>1668314
cos you make house of paper but it ok in earthquake but not big waves lololol

>>1659493
Why do Americans build these in tornado zones?

>>1668398
because the odds of getting your shit destroyed from a fucking tornado is minuscule

>>1668408
>because the odds of getting your shit destroyed from a fucking tornado is minuscule
>Tornadoes accounted for 40 percent of inflation-adjusted insured catastrophe losses from 1997 to 2016 - https://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/facts-statistics-tornadoes-and-thunderstorms
>40% is miniscule
Americans can't into maths

>>1668421
>Americans can't into maths

whatever you are, you're not good at logic. 40 percent of miniscule is miniscule.

>>1668437

>>1668437
>miniscule
Cope harder

>>1668421

>>1664928
>4 inches insulation
>huge space loss

pathetic yuropoors

>>1667865
>builds houses that yuropoors cant even dream of