/diy/ - Do It Yourself

In order to find land, you must ensure above all that it is close enough for you to drive to if it turns out to be good, and also has an aerial photo marking the property lines so that you can find it on a topographical map and post it here (opening pic related). Which in itself can be a challenge.

For a topographical mapper go to ( http://mapper.acme.com/ ). Look at the city and county where the property is, study the roads and rivers and things around it (names of roads and addresses are best) then compare the picture to the hybrid mapper, mark the boundaries, and look at it in topographical mode.

What you're looking for is high ground, that's not marshy and is well above the water table. South slope is a huge bonus (extra insolation).

Insolation is the amount of sunlight a site receives, and is important for solar energy applications (pic related). It's not as important, but it's still very nice as it determines what we can do on our land.

>>161828

>you must ensure above all that it is close enough for you to drive to if it turns out to be good

This is why I think Alaska isn't such a good idea. According to the Population thread on the forums, we don't have a single member located in Alaska.


By the way, large amounts of rainfall/nearby water sources are also a huge plus in terms of location.

By the way, if anyone's interested, we have a forum:

http://bneweden.runboard.com/

It's a bit of a mess right now, but there's a ton of details there.

Precip.

Also mind that Texas is supposed to be under 8 years of drought.

>>161853
Alaskan here. Got any questions?

>>161873

What part of alaska? We were wondering about how land prices were in the more temperate coastal parts, how available internet was, and how sunny it gets or if its constantly pea soup fog. Among other things.

>>161873

Are there any lucrative industries that we could get into without having a great amount of capital?

>>161868

If we want both good insolation and good precipation, it looks like we should aim for the southeast.

Avoid South Texas... There's currently big oil drilling in Eagle Ford Shell down here and land is crazy expensive.

I wonder how true the stuff about bering sea gold is. I personally doubt that 75k boat with vacuum can make profit. I mean the stupid licenses have to be as much.
Can somebody please shed some light on this?

>>161886
Shale not shell

The reddit scum have been talking the talk for years, but lack any balls between themselves to do anything. Their leadership has evaporated.

http://www.reddit.com/r/redditisland/

What does 4chan think about drafting some of these unfortunate dreamers? With 3k members, at least some of them would be serious and not insufferable, right? Right?

>>161874
I'm from the rural Prince William Sound area. The winds are too high where I am to accommodate much agriculture. The best spots are in the Mat-Su valley and the Copper River Basin on the road to McCarthy, though the Mat-Su is more temperate and more developed. Palmer is the most established farm town.

The Basin is mostly sparsely inhabited primitive homesteads with a lot of characters. The Kenai Peninsula might be good too, I don't have much experience with that area.

Delta Junction has a dairy, but I wouldn't recommend living there.

Generally, the more rural you get, the more likely your neighbors are on the run from the law and/or are trying to build a nuclear reactor in their backyard. This actually happened outside Fairbanks.

I am not really keen on land prices (houses, building materials, and utilities are expensive as fuck), though the state has regular surplus land sales and you can probably get a load of acreage for much less than any region in the lower 48 that has a reputation for agricultiure.

>>161887
None of the guys on the show are certified divers. I bet OSHA or MSHA is going to crack down on them next season. The thing about the Bering Sea is that it's crazy windy up there, and you are at the mercy of the weather as to how many days you'll work. A buddy of mine did his first season as an owner operator and has maybe an ounce to show for it. Another thing is that now that it's on TV, people are going to be going out there and trying their luck, and people are going to be selling out of the business and will probably try to rip you off.

If I were going to plan a settlement, I would go for land that has some geothermal activity. You can grow vegetables year round, power and heat your infrastructure, and have a place to soak at the end of the day. There are a few derelict hot spring resorts in remote Alaska that have been on the market for decades.

>>161973
I figured. I knew Gold Rush Alaska was bullshit, so I figured the other show had to be also. I think you only need diving license if you use a tank, they use air compressor and hoses. I would go up there and sell the equipment. Reminds me of Klondike and the guys who made the most were the ones who were selling the shovels.

I didn't know about the geothermal, that's very interesting. I will look it up. Any chance you have a link to the sale website?
Thanks

>>161977
Just checked and it looks like Melozi got bought up, but the area surrounding Manley Hots Springs resort has acreage for sale, and I believe it's one of the few that are the road system too.

Eastern Oregon has tons of hot springs, but the most you can get out of the land in the basin and range area is probably a cow-calf operation.

>>161984
http://www.landwatch.com/Alaska_land_for_sale/Manley_Hot_Springs
forgot the link.
Note that they don't say which ones definitely have geo.

>>161985
Also they don't mention that it's deathly buttass cold in the winter.

>>161984
>>161985
>>161988
Thanks, those places are pretty expensive though. East Oregon has hot springs? MAn this board is educational as fuck.

>>161991
There and southwestern Idaho. outside SLC Utah too. Took a road trip and I'd keep spotting steam plumes off the side of the road. Most of them were on private land though.

>>161878
I think innovation is your advantage here. You'll have a bunch of weird people on a bit of land doing things most engineers and programmers aren't doing. Technology and creative works are what you'll be able to do best, although it might be nice to have something that churns out enough money to keep you afloat.

What's the governance procedure for this town? It's not anywhere obvious on the forums.

I'm thinking a form of democracy where votes are weighted expertise or experience on that particular issue, e.g. if we're deciding whether or not to buy some new equipment someone who knows their shit writes a 5 question quiz for the vote, and each vote is weighted by the score on the quiz. Just an example, mind you, and I've already imagined a scenario where it could be corrupted. We need to have a very clear self-correction procedure in the case of rising corruption.

>>162024

I believe the system we would be using would be direct democracy (at least at first). However, a system like the one you proposed was suggested in a previous thread. Our form of government may still be subject to change.

>>161878
The wedding business. Have a nice field with a view, some outbuildings where the bride and groom can get ready, a flower garden for photo ops, and a barn for the reception, and you're good to go. Do some organic catering along with that and you're in the money.

>>162103
Heck, you can skip the barn and erect a large yurt.

>>162103
>>162104

I'm kind of surprised. We would really get business out in the middle of nowhere with nothing but a nice view, a handful of outbuildings, a garden, and a yurt?

>>162105
My best friend had her wedding here and that's about all the facilities we used. There were bathrooms too. It was summer, so the outbuildings and barn weren't heated. The caterers were uniformed and they took care of dinner, dessert and bartending. A lot of time and love went into tending the lawn and gardens, and there as seating inside the barn but she rented chairs from elsewhere for the ceremony.
Everybody either spent the night elsewhere on the island or commuted from Seattle.

So yeah, there's more to it but usually the bride rents out most of the secondary decor and flowers. You're just the venue.
http://www.fireseedcatering.com/index.html

>>162107
And despite it being kind of close to the ferry, both the rental houses for the guests were 45 minutes away.
I think more than anything the venue needs to be charming and/or rustic.

I'm not home to look up prices. But have you checked out Maine? It cam get cold but there is a lot of old farmland that was abandoned in the 19 and early 20th century when the canning industry collapsed. The soil can be a little sandy but rich and plenty of trees and fairly good hunting. You might get lucky and even find an unused cove for a fishing village.

>>162109
Maine is cheap that is true, somewhere around 1k per acre, which is a good low price for land that's usable. The only land cheaper than that is either a desert or volume discount

One more idea for the profit part:
Arabs love goat, but the hoat has to be killed somehow to make it possible for them to eat only because of religious reasons. Imagine Kosher but instead it's called Halal or something like that. We could raise goats and sell them for meat. One goat goes for $175+, which would be an awesome business for us. 100 goats would be 150k+ income

>>162149
afaik you need an imam to bless the goat while you slit it's throat, or something similar

or perhaps you just meant to raise the goats and sell them to a slaughterhouse

>>162153
Yes, there are those 2 options. The problem is that I doubt that we could get iman in such a remote place, so that would result in slaughter house and less profit.

I just saw this posted in /sci/. (>>>/sci/4410606#4410804)

http://biolite.myshopify.com/

Could we DIY a system like this? Not that $129 is prohibitively expensive, but the wood it burns has to be really small which is impractical. We're going to need wood burning stoves regardless, in every house for heating. How could would it be to also provide our electricity? The ashes double as biochar.

>>162144

I've seen decent land go for a lot less than that - you just need to know where to look.

>>162244
Care to share where?

>>162244

I applaud your efforts to add nothing to the discussion. Faggot.

Aside from the finding of promising sites, it seems the only other major thing to do is to organize an LLC or nonprofit, and set up a bank account in its name to collect funds.

That means it would require a framework for building trust, which is to say transparency in seeing all donations and 'auditing' the bank account to make sure they match and there are no withdrawals, and a legal guarantee of the ability to receive refunded money if the project falls through. Anybody know how such things work? I want to do it right to ensure there is no fraud or even credible accusations of fraud. I want every cent to be accounted for but I've never done anything like this.

No one person should be able to run off with all our jewgolds. I know escrow is basically what I'm describing with reliable third parties like banks holding the money for a fee, but apparently there is no paypal escrow service so it's confusing. Any suggestions?

>>162328

Forgot mah tripfaggotry.

>>162328
hmmm,
There are few options, but it all depends on details.
Do you want to put the profits back to the community?
Do you want to have shareholders, who would get the profit?
How is your vision, when it comes to money? Say someone raises 200lbs of pork, what do they get? A certificate to redeem later on?
I would propagate inc because the profit can be shared among everyone, so everyone is an employee basically.
It would be great if you could post your vision on how things would work.

can we share our women? ill put in 2k if the winter isnt fucking -20 and 6 months long

>>162348

Well we wouldn't be incorporated, we'd be an LLC at most. There are two problems; the first is subsistence vs profit, and the second is residency vs investment.

On the first matter, let's say we spend $1000/year on food (flour, rice, beans, spices, ammo for hunting and so on), $1000/year on internets, and $3000/year on mortgage payments and taxes, and sold 4 cattle per year for $6000 in revenues. Now, we've subsisted, and fed ourselves, secured our shelter and so on, but the profit is only $1000 for the whole year. Presumably people would be able to work off farm as well since raising cattle isn't particularly labor intensive, but it paints the picture well. Subsistence can be achieved without significant profits. Having people classified as employees would obviously not work well when their showing for the year was $200.

On the other matter, how do we decide who gets to live on the farm. We've got people in college who want to invest but only want to work the farm on summer break. How is that handled? What's their motivation to work when they're not being fed and sheltered by the product of that work? Obviously the value of the land will rise as a result of improving it, but how will that rise be reflected in the price of shares?

We don't want to go through all of this and be transformed by 'market forces,' into a run of the mill corporate farm. I think we all just want to live sustainably in peace off grid. That's the goal that has to be kept in mind.

>>162363
That's a very tough decision. I think the whole work during summer is not viable. Maybe buy in have a secured plot/space but won't get any benefits or profits. It is very complicated, I thought that it wasn't, but the more I thought about it the more difficult it seemed.
There are 2 options, basic differentiations.
Either have people work on shared land and work on everything together, or let everyone have few acres and "tax" them from it, like feudalism just not as harsh. Since, everyone wants to keep to themselves and do their own thing, number 2 seems as a good fit.
I have a similar model, but mine is a business model, which to me is lot easier, though it has a different purpose. I can't seem to figure out how to get around lets say 20 people living on one property in different dwellings. Since, many will live there permanently, will there be one address? Some one posted something about co-op, which could take care of that.
Also, are you there for profit or just to live? I am not saying profit as in 500k a year, yet it is possible, but you don't want to live by, right?

>>162363
forgot to ask, where is that picture from?

>>162381

I did a GIS for 'Czech Hedgehog.'

>>162509
I have been to that exact one

>>162512

That's crazy. Where is it?

Oklahoman here. While I can't say that I will be able to join in on this project (things might change however, future is uncertain for me currently) I will attempt to look up some prices for land and such.

>>162525

Appreciate that! Which part of the state do you live in, the western half or the eastern one? According to the insolation and precipitation maps the eastern part is progressively more wet with almost the same amount of sun.

>>162551
Sorry for late reply, I'm in Central Oklahoma, however I'm closer to the west than I am to the East, I should still be able to look up land prices on the Eastern side of the state though, post some whenever I'm able to.

>>162514
NE Czech Republic. I was there more than 16 years ago as a little kid. Them walls are thick as shit, it's almost unimaginable, well untill you walk into some old churches that have 6 foot thick walls.

>>162750

If we were going to have Earthships, we'd have to look into counties with lax building codes. You should check out these links for some examples and more information:

http://earthbagbuilding.wordpress.com/2010/01/24/counties-with-few-or-no-building-codes/

www.greenhomebuilding.com/building_codes.htm

>>162861

Fuck the po-lice. I don't need no stinking building codes.

Don't forget about severe weather preparations. In areas like the Southeast and the aforementioned Oklahoma, tornadoes and severe thunderstorms are common.

Bamp for chats

How do we DIY low-power, sun-readable laptops with wireless mesh networking?

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Building_a_Rural_Wireless_Mesh_Network_-_A_DIY_Guide
_v0.8.pdf&page=1

PDF for building internodes bridges.

trying to build the ultimate basement to dwell in? good luck kids

>>163326

A wild heckler appears.

He used "Childish Insults!" ...But it wasn't very effective.

>>163328
you responded with some cheap off topic nerd insult. effectiveness was had

>>163331

Whatever bumps my thread, chum.

>>163328

attack is blocked by mass delusion

If the connection to the internet is a satellite uplink, what's the fucking point of the mesh network? Why not just cut out the middle man and have satellite internet? The connection has to be a high bandwidth cable connection somewhere along the way.

>>163319
Atom netbooks run on around 22w
>>163376
Satellite internet is unreliable, shits when it gets too cloudy, and has a bandwidth cap. VERY SLOW

It would be cheaper to build a tower in the middle of the property and mount antennae with amplifiers.In US FCC limits the signal to 1w. We could also communicate via skype over the wifi with each other. Like emergency, important news, meetings etc.

>>161822
Can we buy more that one share? What about Louisiana (where I am)? There is a great deal of cheap land in the northern part of the state. Good land that won't break the bank. How much land are we talking about?

>>163504

Northern Louisiana sounds like it could be good. I generally look at land between 10 acres and 40 acres. Budgeting for south eastern land is difficult because the land is so expensive. Find some ads you think are doable realistically (IE don't cost $200k) that have aerials with the property line marked and post them. I'll do the topographical part if you don't want to be bothered with that.

Wait, so how much land are you guys looking to get (in acres)?

I live in Washington state, and sometimes you can find land for pretty cheap around here. In addition, we have a pretty stable climate without too much extreme weather (at least on the western side), and lots of things grow around here.

Plus, people tend to have a more environmental spin, so you won't seem too crazy to the locals.

>>163514

See above, and post some sites that you could investigate personally.

http://www.landwatch.com/Mason-County-Washington-Land-for-sale/pid/200010589

http://www.landwatch.com/Thurston-County-Washington-Land-for-sale/pid/200011234

http://www.landwatch.com/Thurston-County-Washington-Land-for-sale/pid/200005104

I mean, there's lots of places around here.

What's the price you guys are looking for roughly?

>>163520

None of those have aerials marking the property boundaries. The 70k one for 15 acres is the most realistic in price of the three.

>>163531
Is there a specific website that has properties listed with that information? Most everywhere I look doesn't.

>>163514
Washington is very cool place, but I think good land costs a lot.
>>163513
depending on a state or maybe IRS to get better taxes of a farm or something similar you need 20+acres. That is if you want to go that route.

http://www.landwatch.com/Stevens-County-Washington-Land-for-sale/pid/113437045

Well, power and septic installed, on a paved road,

>>163549
Western Washington definitely isn't super cheap, but can be in some places (far away from Seattle).

Eastern Washington is basically uninhabited outside of Spokane.
>>163552
This is a good example, with 55 acres costing ~$65,000

>>163513
http://www.landsofamerica.com/land-for-sale/49-acres-in-Franklin-County-Louisiana/id/1056205

Is this the sort of thing you are looking for?

>>163552

Wow. I wonder what's wrong with it. That looks fantastic. It must be all marsh to have a price like that. This is where being able to look at the site's topography (using an aerial pic with the property boundaries) is critical.

>>163562
That's probably the case, as it is listed as hunting land and not pasture.

If I lived in Eastern Washington I could check it out (I could check out a lot of cheaper lands if I lived in Eastern Washington). Also, Eastern Washington has a higher-varying temperature and is much more dry.

>>163561

Also a good price, and the topography looks good. No legal access or easement though.

Another Oklahoman here, been lurking for a while and this has definitely piqued some interest. 19, currently in college at OU, but I'm not really sure if college is right form me so the next few years are kind of uncertain.

My mother is also a real estate agent in northeastern Oklahoma, so I can easily look into land in the area.

>>163568
Is that a no go then? It looks like Mauld road is very close to the property line. Can we not make an easement.

>>163576

Dunno. If you look on the topo there's a dirt road leading to the prop, but apparently we'd have no legal access. The road might be gated.

That's the kind of thing to find out if we were to send someone to visit it. From the topo I'd guess the land is about 4 - 6 feet above the water table and so would likely have some buildable spots.

http://www.landsofamerica.com/land-for-sale/50-acres-in-Grant-County-Wisconsin/id/1057642

Somebody tell me what's wrong with this land.

>>163583
What about this one then? http://www.landsofamerica.com/land-for-sale/27-acres-in-Richland-County-Louisiana/id/1055207

Not as much land but still a workable amount.

I'd love to contribute more to this thread but I don't know much about buying land.

But, whenever you get past that. I used to work on a chicken farm and I make bread and cheese as a hobby. If that's any help.

bump for interest....nobodys in the IRC

>>163619

Did you go to the one in the OP? Or did you bookmark the old one? We moved to http://mibbit.com/?channel=%23AgrarianEven&server=rizon.mibbit.org

In other news, I want this property. If it's legit. It's right outside the town where most of my family lives, including an aunt who owns a cattle farm.

LAfag here. Land is cheap, and fiberoptics installations have been rolling out in quite a few places, most notably in lafayette. We could either set up mesh to one of those places, or get a line run out to near wherever we live. Mesh would probably be more feasible.
In LA you can grow year-round, rather than growing 1/3 of the year, and running up heating bills the other 2/3 (Wisconsin)

Kentucky is most rural state. INB4 Guns n Meth.

>>163642

Post up some props.

Although LA and Orange county are highly hostile to farmers. They want to sprawl.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw3RiMdS7sE

>>163663
>>163663
>lafayette
>not in california
>mfw you're either retarded or trolling
IT'S CALLED LOUISIANA YOU FUCKINGMORONSHUTHTHEFUCKUP

>>163696

Take a chill pill.

I honestly can't see this project amounting to anything, or turning any kind of profit.

>>163650
Kentucky is cool.

>>163642
It's cheaper to heat with wood than run A/C the whole summer. We need in between Wisconsin and Louisiana.

>>163696
In all honesty I thought you were saying LA as in Los Angeles, but then I figured it out.

>>163708

Summer is hot everywhere. Climate control will be expensive and requisite no matter where we go. By using small structures, we will save energy/money.

>>163707

My jimmies remain unrustled, El Serpentino. Go heckle some OWS guys in /pol/.

>>163708
Wisconsin winters aren't even that bad. This entire winter it's only been under 25-30 degrees for a month. Of course, that's anecdotal, but it's really not that bad, especially in the southern part of the state.

>>163717
Yes but using A/C for 5 months instead of 2 makes a big difference especially if it's humid as fuck.
HOWEVER, if we sprung up for geothermal, we could live like kings for few pennies.

Found some articles about farms specifically in Wisconsin in case somebody is interested
http://www.smallfarm.org/uploads/uploads/Files/niche.pdf
http://www.smallfarm.org/uploads/uploads/Files/FARM%20BUSINESS%20START%20checklist.pdf
http://www.smallfarm.org/uploads/uploads/Files/SoWantFarmr.pdf

>>161822
>4chan marijuana farm project
FTFY

>>163837

Every time you try to rustle my jimmies I'm going to post a pony.

I made a list of stuff just because. Please feel free to add and critique.
Thanks

>>163930
Solar is not cheap. That money could get put towards more cost effective, longer-lasting energy solutions.

>>163837
That's really the only plan that makes any sense to me.

you'll need a generator... also how about just growing shitloads of edible mushrooms and selling them to grocery stores. Not fucking psychedelic ones.

OP, I am going to the U of M for horticulture in the spring. I wont be done for a few years, but if this takes off I will come down and help your project out.

>>163941
solar panel from HF is like 150 and is enough to charge laptop and cellphone, maybe run some lights at night. The solar is only temporary.

Are you wanting to build homes on the site, or just get a site with a large home on it and share the house?

>>163962
Very good question, though lot of small homes seems like a good idea a big house would get taxed differently. Ultimate stealthmode would be a barn with small living units on the inside.
http://thelcn.com/2011/11/11/barn-on-outside-home-on-inside/
There few other people who did this, I think I have seen it on the small cabin forum.

If you have everything under one roof, the A/C and heater will be just one, but also many problems can arise. Cleaning shared spaces, loud music, loud people etc. So as much as I like one house idea, I think itwould hurt the community.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB-MhZkYVo8&feature=relmfu

Should start looking into building homes like this

>>163976
It could be considered a mobile home, thus different laws/regulations/taxes.

>>163979
sorry meant like this

>>163987
>>163987
forgot link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qghZ2ao7GKM&feature=relmfu

Who's to keep the op from running off with the money and moving to Argentina?

>>163988
I followed this guy, he does it to sell his ebook. Either way, most regulations are anything under 100 sq ft is permit free some places are even 200 sqft.

Good question is this:
If we have multiple dwellings how do we deal with septic?

>>163989
No one person is able to access our funds by themselves, definitely not op.

>>163989
There will be fail proof measures in place.

OP's just randomly kicking everybody who joins the irc channel now

>>164005

Thou upset, Serpentino?

>>163991
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99RaYL2GPJk

$10400 dollars in-hand money tallied for the project.
+ $.50 pledged by our resident babby troll Serpentino.

>>164011
Got it, forgot about stuff like saw dust toilet etc.

I'll chip in $1

>>164249
Mods are gone and left the irc to default muting. Try chatting them up tomorrow, earlyish.

I have an idea about land
Southeast New Mexico
its about 500-1000 an acre. there is an underground river system so land comes with water rights and every home has its own well
Hunting is good and many animals such as wild hogs and coyotes are encouraged to be hunted.
there is a nearby river although the water is to dirty to drink it produces large 56-90 lb fish(of all the times i have gone fishing we came back with just a 20 lber ONCE).
summer is hot but the winter only goes down to 50-60 9/10 days.
It might seem like a bad one but i know entire extended families who do nothing but live off the land.this place has always been an agricultural community.
plus the cops in Chaves county in particular rather just leave people well enough alone

>>164259
That sounds sweet as hell. What kind of fish are you catching?

Catfish mostly
theres also gar in that river and those fuckers can be dangerous
I feel the need to mention that im not talking about fishing with a pole . Ive never seen someone catch good fish with a pole you've got to go graveling or "noodling as they call it on tvbasically go right up to its burrow in the side of the river stick your hand in his mouth so he bites down on your whole fist and pull him out(they cant take your hand just scratch real good

http://www.governmentauction.com/

I assume you guys know about this, right?

Why buy land if you can simply rent? Takes much less capitol and if you find a good landlord, you can secure a lease for 10 years or even more. Then, when it's up, just roll with it or buy the land with your accumulated capitol.

>>164259
That would be an ideal project for huge aquaponics operation. We could grow lettuce all year round and other veggies for profit along with fish.
Very cheap land btw.

>>164294
Yes, very good idea. I have suggested that in previous thread. Some land can be rented as low as 5 bucks an acre. However, I have suggested buying 5 acre plot to own, and then we would rent the rest around us.
There is actually exactly one town who did this in the early 1900s late 1800s. And now? Now they own thousands of acres, have their own community and nobody fucks with them. Pretty smart if you ask me.

>>164290
it's a scam

>>164302
River Cottage fan here, and to whom you replied. My 5 year plan is to secure a job-independent source of money and move to Dorset. I live in continental Europe and the winters are way too harsh for my taste, I'd much rather have a bit more wet and a lot less scorch that Hungarian summers are right now. Winters are about 3 months long, with plenty snow. High summer months are a disaster, three months of 35+ celsius with minimal rain. Unbearable in the city, and needs way too much watering if you are a smallholder.

>>164306
Pretty cool, I really liked River Cottage, have all the seasons. What are your plans as far as veggies and animals? Something similar to Hugh? I can only imagine that land there is expensive; however, if you move there I will greatly envy you the seafood.

Have you guys considered Missouri yet? I've been doing some research and it actually sounds perfect for our purposes.

>centrally located, so most of our members won't have to travel too far to get there
>not too hot or too cold, land is quite suitable for farming
>great insolation and rainfall
>a bunch of other ecovillages/intentional communities are already located there
>not devoid of people
>very safe from natural disasters

Honestly, I could go on and on. Unless somebody knows about some terrible flaw with Missouri that I'm just not seeing, I'm going to check out some suitable properties.

>>164334

Misery would be good too, but unless you live there and can do due diligence on potential sites by driving there, there's no point.

>>164334
http://www.landwatch.com/Howell-County-Missouri-Land-for-sale/pid/223998533
looks interesting

>>164342

And? Do you live within range to investigate or not? If not, my face when.

>>164356
no reason to be dick

>>164361

Just try to think of it like you're buying land for yourself. I assume you want to own land. For myself I said I'm going on May 1st, no matter what. Which includes a scenario where this project being all talk and no one but me was serious at all. So I focus on land around me that I think I could afford.

That's the strategy I want all the people looking at land to have. It'll get us a lot of high quality info on sites that can actually be investigated.

>>164362
So you are basically ONLY interested in Wisconsin land?

>>164363
He wants you to only look at land that you yourself could investigate to make sure it isn't marshland and if it would be suitable to farm on.

And so you could make a video or picture slideshow to show everyone so we could also comment on it.

>>164365
OK got it. In that case I can investigate anything around Houston, in case anyone is interested.

>>164356

I would be able to go out to Missouri in just a few weeks' time. I could check out some properties.

By the way, about what acreage are we looking for? And are there any other traits I should be looking for in properties? Is wooded land okay?

>>164397

40 acres is the traditional family farm size, but I feel we could do with as little as 10 -- the only problem is that as plots get below 20 acres they are more and more bound by covenants and owner's associations and other things that make the property useless for our purposes.

If anyone finds land within 50 miles of Scotia, NY I can check it out.

>>164428

I've got ten acres, and I'm not seeing how you plan on having a decent amount of people living there while being able to turn a fair profit. Given, not all of my land is cleared, but most of it is. If you've only got around five people living in one house, then yes, ten acres is fine. Possibly splitting up into smaller residences it could be okay. Just remember, for every building on the property, that's less space you have to grow food. Unless you plan to turn a profit in other ways by running a small machine shop or blacksmith type service. Yes, people still have those, there's one in a nearby town.

As a general rule, the more land you have the better you'll be. I'd recommend shooting for 20-40 acres to start off though, again, depending entirely on how large your group is.

Out of curiosity, how many people that are wanting to do this have ever worked land before? For that matter, how old are you guys? That should be something you consider as well. If one of you is a divorced 40 year old that's going through a midlife crisis and wants a new chance at doing something with his life, you may not enjoy living with a bunch of 18-24 year old kids that have little to no real-world experience.

Why is it that immediately after reading the word "farm" I began to read this in old crumby redneck voice...

>>164462
How many people that are wanting to do this have ever worked land before?

I'd like to know the answer to this, too. There are so many intricacies to small and large scale agriculture that one can really only learn through personal experience. To start a project of this scale without knowledgeable farmers could be disastrous in the long run.

>>164493
also the people need to be diligent and have almost military schedule and endurance.
I grew up on a farm, and I also worked on a farm. Waking up at 5:30am and going to bed by 10pm only to do it over and over again. Sat or Sundays off? That does not exist. There is alway something to do on a farm, something to fix, improve etc. I can only imagine how many of the "enthusiasts" are thinking that's easy and so on. Farming is the opposite of 9-5 job, get ready for 90+ hour weeks in cold, rain, heat, mud, sick, and pissed off.

>>164511
>>164493

Personally, I don't think farming should be our main occupation. A handful of unskilled workers slaving away on a measly 20 acre piece of land just wouldn't be able to compete with the larger, more efficient factory farms.

>>164524
niche farming
Artisan bread, cheese, meats, exotic poultry. Something the big factory farms have not caught up yet. Something like craft beer 8 bucks for a six pack? Yes, there are people who will pay that.

>>164524
Yeah, this. We're just trying to be self-sufficient, not turn a profit.

An interesting read (fairly short) for anyone curious is "Possum Living", here's a link.

http://www.4shared.com/document/jCVlCrFp/Possum_Living_-_How_to_live_we.html?aff=7637829

>>164531
If you do decide to go that route, I've built wood-fired ovens and make "artisan bread" on a semi-consistent basis.

I have a little bit of knowledge in cheese making, but I've only made non-aged cheeses.


I highly recommend going the route of craft beer. Making it wouldn't be too difficult and it's very scaleable. Plus, people will pay out the ass to out obscure each other with it.

>>164539
craft beer was a comparison, it would have been a paperwork nightmare trying to sell craft beer

>>164531
>>164535
Niche/small farming and homesteading are very different from each other and can still be difficult without experience.

But before I get into a self-righteous rant, I must ask: is the point of having this land partially so anons can have the space needed to first try small farming and homesteading?

Discuss it with us here:

http://cbe005.chat.mibbit.com/?channel=%23AgrarianEven&server=rizon.mibbit.org

>>164578

>Is the point of having this land partially so anons can have the space needed to first try small farming and homesteading?

That's how I see it, yes.


>>164531

Even so, I still think we should make money through other methods as well - just in case the farm doesn't work out.


>>164334

After a little searching, I found a few Missouri properties that would be ideal for our purposes. All have utilities of some kind, are larger than 20 acres, and are priced well under $50,000:

http://www.landsofamerica.com/land-for-sale/20-acres-in-Vernon-County-Missouri/id/1031137

http://www.landsofamerica.com/land-for-sale/21-acres-in-Saint-Francois-County-Missouri/id/875330

http://www.landsofamerica.com/land-for-sale/26-acres-in-Crawford-County-Missouri/id/1020052

http://www.landsofamerica.com/land-for-sale/38-acres-in-Ozark-County-Missouri/id/1059254

http://www.landsofamerica.com/land-for-sale/38-acres-in-Douglas-County-Missouri/id/1044287

http://www.landsofamerica.com/land-for-sale/40-acres-in-Wayne-County-Missouri/id/842340

http://www.landsofamerica.com/land-for-sale/40-acres-in-Shannon-County-Missouri/id/1002229

>>164718
Definitely, I cannot but agree. I have read through few magazines and the whole "small farm" movement is coming back. Jams are ridiculously easy to sell for high prices. But I think we could sell wood, Christmas trees, do some arts and crafts and so on.

>>164767

Christmas trees are literally money growing from the ground

If the project were in OR or NC I would suggest truffle farming as well, but only long term because the trees take 10 years to grow

>>164804
Yeah I looked into truffle farming and it takes indeed 10 years, but the success rate is less than 50%.
We could sell Christmas trees in big cities along some other stuff during Christmas to carry us over financially until Spring.

>>164809

even with that success rate its worth it because the truffles are "worth their weight in gold" and require very little effort. Just pick them and they grow back, unlike xmas trees which take years.. all thats needed is a good sniffin' dog.

A Bed and Breakfast could be a good venture in addition to weddings. Brew your own beer offer it to guests and give them an awesome breakfast with truffle omlettes with fresh onsite eggs and you have a winner!

>>164840
Oh man I am loling about the wedding being planned by 4channers.
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>>164840
yeah I know how much truffles go for, didn't they gre back though. So if I understand correctly, once the truffles start growing they will be coming back time and time again?

Also, christmas trees take less than 3 years to grow, it's not like we would have trailers that big.

Bed and breakfast sounds great, but that's business license, insurance, and so on. We would have to have beer brewing license and alcohol serving license for that.

>>164846

yeah they grow back. its the tree thats infected, so the truffles grow back at the roots of the tree and will do so for years and years.. its not uncommon to get at least 30 lbs an acre..

I don't think b&b licenses can be that hard to get, and beer sale permits are a lot easier to get than full on premise liquor sales.. of course it varies state to state..

No love for Canada?

>>164925
We are all murrikans, so moving there and immigration could pose a problem for us.

>>164925

Sorry, but the overwhelming majority of our members are living somewhere in the United States.

On an unrelated note, we really need to narrow down our search for properties to just a few states. So far I think we've eliminated:

-Coastal areas (south florida, western california etc)
-Far north
-Totally barren areas (e.g. Death Valley)

Anything else?

>>165161
Texas? (obviously coastal) but Texas is huge. Anyway supposed to have 8 years of drought, and last year was not fun at all. I personally would prefer at least hills, flat land sucks.

>>165161

I hate all the crazy revenue schemes. To me it's not much better than the 'herp derp we'll make money by reading fortunes' thing the /x/philes did.

My answer to most of these things is: if they're so easy to do, why not do them now? Grow truffles now, do weddings now.

I know all of this is, just like, my opinion, dude, but I am concerned that this will breed conflict over land use now that I think about it. If someone wants to grow christmas trees, and someone wants to grow truffles, and someone wants to start a B&B.

There be dragons there. I don't really know an intelligent way to resolve this impulse, either.

>>165244

Oops, disregard the reply quote.

you'd guys be better off buying a building and taking in e-waste to sell for scrap metal

>>165252

Wut.

>>164316
Sorry, I went off to sleep and didn't check back for a while.

I'd move with my girlfriend who's into academy and would like to work at a university, so we'd be living 'close' to a city with a university with a linguistics department.

We'd like to go small and expand as our experience ads up. Rent enough extra land so we can plant fruit trees. Cherries, apples, pears. I'd rather have them out as soon as possible, I think you understand why.

In-season veg with 2 poly-tunnels, raised beds and plenty variety. We do not eat peas and beans (paleo diet), so that is out. I'd try my hand at everything, but plans will be set up when we see what we have on our hand.

As far as animals go, three piglets and a handful of chicken. We eat 2-3 eggs a day each, so I'd go for at least a dozen chicks, half for eggs, half for meat.

Gotta get a shotgun licence asap when we move, as well as contacts for fishing. I'd like a small river near the house, for obvious reasons. The closeness of the sea is grand, it would provide us with plenty extra food. Hedgerow hunting is a must. I fucking love that guy who did all the beers and wines, and who wrote the mushroom book. I'm starting at a shroom club this year so I'll have plenty experience by the time we get there. Gotta take exam too sometimes, so I know I'm good to go without relying on people to identify whatever I pick.

We'd expand on the scale annually. Sheeps and goats are must, goats for both cheesemaking as well as meat.

>>165280

We are also clear on the psychology of human relationships and are looking for people who share our passion and who would be interested in the whole venture. We'd like a small house that we can expand upon in the future so when kids come and grow they would have their own privacy. Small, minimal size rooms with one big living-room. I believe a room shouldn't be used for anything else than sleeping and romance. We're such shut-ins these days, it makes me weep. I was pretty much the same. I'm working towards something completely different.

>>165282
Our long term goals are getting a land rented that would last us a lifetime with me having freelancer ways to provide an income that would secure things such as gas for a car, bills until we get solar and windgenerators going (that will take a while, but ultimately, we're planning to go full-grid independent) as well as a broadband internet connection. The lady would have a sidejob too, so that's cool. I cannot be bothered. Would rather learn woodworking and smithery so I can provide services and goods to sell for nearby folks and villagers.

Also, making profit on farmer's market when we sell our surplus crop with added value, Hugh style. We are both good cooks and cook our own food on a daily basis.

>>165179

When I suggested excluding "coastal areas", I just meant coastal areas of states, not entire states that happen to be bordered by the ocean on one side. Beachfront property tends to be more expensive is all.

Also, it might also be a good idea to exclude extremely isolated areas. These areas would lack many of the utilities (power, phone lines, roads etc) essential to our continued existence.


>>165244

Wouldn't every person own their own share of the land? If someone wanted a B&B, they could just build one on their share.

Wow, I am impressed of you guys thinking of this in 4can :D

Good stuff. I am here though not to join you but to paste this link to a web archive of stuff that could help you out on various topics: files.uniteddiversity.com

Have a nice one!

>>165303
Fucking genius. Thank you, anon.

>>165295

The factionalism allows for that, but if everyone is just going to do their own thing there is no reason to collectivize. Then everyone should just buy their own 20 acres and do their own thing. Building a permanent structure on a crazy revenue scheme plan is a permanent 'fuck you' to everybody else. And after it fails we're stuck with your shitty half finished B&B.

Now, realistically, would a lone individual be able to buy the materials for and construct a B&B on their own? No. But it represents the sort of half assed pea brained project that could pockmark the property and devalue it.

>>165303
I don't think that this is going to work, I have visited a group of people who tried to do this but they couldn't be completely self sustained.

But this link is AWESOME. I am downloading every single document.

Thank you.

>>165371

I agree with you, residents shouldn't be able to build just whatever the fuck they want on their land. Something like a B&B would be pointless anyway unless we had a reason for tourists to visit. However, do we actually have any measures in place to prevent this sort of thing from happening?


>>165392

Personally, I think we should focus on making a profit first, then attempt to become self-sustainable once we've attained financial security.

Keeping this place clean sounds awfully problematic from my point of view.

What kind of sewage system are we going to be looking at?

Are we going to have insane chicken coops like they have for the big industries?

Could we get an institution to back us financially?

>>164302
Excellent idea

>>165418
Thanks, it's not my own, but damn it's smart as hell. Basically it lowers the risk of failure and frees up finances.

>>165418

1. Probably compost toilets, although septic tanks are a possibility.

2. No one's brought them up before, but if farming/raising animals is going to be our main occupation we'll probably need them.

3. I doubt it.

>>165439
I think that even if farming is not the main source of income that we should still have a greenhouse, couple chickens, and few goats at least, though pigs would be nice too; low maintenance and good return on meat. We could buy weaned pigs and just fatten them by Winter and slaughter them. Plenty of food for few bucks if that compared to buying that garbage in the store. Also, we could barter with surrounding farmers.

>>165439

compost toilets seem like the best bet, as the only inconvience they have is the smell which diehards willing to do the FP would be able to overlook

Then again Im not sure how how intense septic systems are, and non-potable water wells are relatively easy to make..

>>165479

I did two seconds of research and septic systems dont look complex at all. But Im remembering that even if you collect rainwater for toilet use its supposed to still be treated for no good reason, so I dont think it would be easy as "dig a well, have infinite toilet water"

>>165450

I dont see how farming could ever be a source of income. The goal of the project should be to reduce need for income as much as possible and live off the land, so any farming should be done strictly to feed the inhabitants.

That said, youll make far more money growing luxury items such as mushrooms than you would vegetables. And even more crafting items such as jam. I suggest having vast berry bushes that grow fruit with no effort/cost whatsoever, and can be turned into jam that can be sold.

>>165486

A well for toilet(and drinking) water flowing into a septic tank is exactly what I have at home. As long as you have lots of land, septic isn't a problem but having everyone install their own septic or even to go with a centralized system is going to cost a pile of money. You also lose the land used for the septic field for any worthwhile use.

If you really are starting from the ground up, it may come down to dealing with an outhouse and bedpans at first before you can afford to install better facilities. If everyone is responsible for their own septic, the ones that install first are going to be the targets of some pretty jealous envy until everyone else is up to speed.

Just give up

For wanting to be an off-grid settlement on cheap land, it's completely quixotic to be so hung up on getting super high speed internet into the place.

>>165545

Agreed, a bigger priority would be generating enough electricity but after that perhaps setting up some kind of local WAN would be useful and fun.

I know a friend that has 134 acres that is selling it for $144,000 ($1,074.62 per acre). It has free natural gas, a pond, an old house, a new house, 3 water wells, recently developed flat top hill area, an overgrown stone labyrinth, some bottom land, it is about 1 mile from a rail-to-trail parkway, and is located about 3 miles from a semi-major "highway" in the middle of nowhere WV. Population density in that county is 23 people per square mile (most are in towns and this place is in the hilly country side). The closest town has a population of 1,200. The nearest mall is over 50 miles away in either direction in small cities of about 10,000 pop. each.

There's no building codes in this area, fyi. Only the electrical box on the outside of the house.building needs to be to code of any kind; which they already are of course. Gun ownership is almost a must in order to "fit in" around the area since everyone is literally a hunter.

The terrain is hilly, cold in the winter, hot and humid in the summer, has a pretty good growing season, hunting is good, there's a local river a few miles away and a few local state lakes so fishing is also good. Greenhouses do exceptionally here, though most people just farm normally.

>>165497
it's been mentioned already in the thread

>>165611
>>165611
If your friend would cut me off a chunk about 10 acres or so, then I would buy it up immediately.
I want to build an ultimate utopia complete with green house and solar panels.
If he can't split his land up, then I could probably buy it as a whole in about a few years, or sooner if my mother gets her settlement.

>>165659
From what I understand, it's all or nothing, unless there's a bunch of buyers to get it all and divide it up accordingly. It won't be on the market, "in about a few years". Land is extremely cheap in this area for some reason.

>>165611
>>165716

Can you tell me what county it's in? Or better yet, give me a link to its listing on a real estate site?

>>165738
>>in the middle of nowhere WV
WEST VIRGINIA
US of A

>>165741

>county

You only read half of it, didn't you?

>>165746
My bad, looked like country at first. Used to foreignfags, just please don't call me kid.

>>165738
The property overlaps both Ritchie and Doddridge counties.

>>165716
Cool. give us an update when he's gonna sell his property.

My dream is to be a beekeeper and use the delicious honey to make delicious mead.

>>165935
Nice dream, relatively easily achievable. Are you going to do just for yourself or to sell?

>>165935

The level of disillusionment in this thread astounds me. At least half of the members, if you can call them that, in this project aren't even of age. To boot, if you did buy land, sustaining yourself and complying with local law is going to be more than any of you can handle. You're all going to waste your money and/ or die.

>>165985

Cool story, Serp.

For the record, all our members are over 18.

CCan somebody make me a summary of this ? (I just discovered this board).

>>165994
Then an awful lot of people on your forum are lying about being underage for some reason.

>>165985
>>165985

And not just that but look at the amount of butthurts they respond with if anyone just asks them the obvious quesitons in an online forum.

Can you imagine what would happen if you said anything IRL to any of these neckbeards? They would probably run off and cry or act like those butthurts that shoot up their whole school for people looking at them the wrong way.

>>165995

We want to make a farm. We have $10,400 pledged for the project. Those who buy in will own a stake in it and make a profit off of their investment if it succeeds while helping to create a grorious 4chan utopia (and if it fails then you'll get most of your money back when it sells, and helped make one of these stupid projects that gets brought up constantly but never acted on go further than anything else ever actually has.)

You can either come live and work on the farm or just help it along (there is talk of summer work crews for collegefags). Or you can just watch from the sidelines and cheer us along. Or troll us if you're a petty cunt. :)

We're usually in the IRC but it's dead at this time of night. Prime time USA is when it's most active with a dozen or so regulars.

-We will likely have to get a lawyer and incorporate for this to have a legal basis.
-$2k is minimum buy in for those wishing to live and work on the farm.
-Cattle will likely be raised.

>>165995
>>165995

The basic summary of this is for about the past four or five years there has been this developing movement within the 4 Chan community to build their own community.

On the surface it seems like a running joke that these basement dwelling neckbeards think they could not only walk in the light of day but actually build a functioning society in some place where more capable and thicker skinned individuals have failed.

I predict you will continue to see these threads. They are pushed by a small handful of narcissistic individuals that believe they could actually do anything of value with their lives and a load of hangers on that like to look at websites and post comments in anonymous forums.

This thread and similar threads will NEVER go anywhere. They never have and never will.

There was another laughable one recently where their 'leader' actually started to give himself grandiose names and even started to right some sort of gospel for the group.

All this before anyone had even left their basement.

>>166071
>>166071

Says anyone that disagrees is a 'petty cunt'. Yep these are some pretty advanced individuals.

>>166074

You mad that I beautifully pre-empted you 1 minute before you made your shitpost, Serp? Yeah, you pettymad. Tears.

>>166075
>>166075
>>166075

You consistently show your colors for being the actual 'petty cunt' in this thread.

It is both tragic and humorous that you and your band of neckbeards think you could ever accomplish anything let alone a project of some magnitude.

These little petty back and forths you spend all day engaging people in are indicative of the immaturity with which neckbeards approach life in general. It is this behavior pattern which dooms them to foreveralone status living out their fictional little lives online where no one can ever get a good look at them and the shambles of their life.

Take my advice. Just stick to playing WOW. You will have much less chance of being honestly called out for being a fake, neckbeard poser.

Oh LOOK! I made a comeback post before the other guy could!

And I'm like five.

Also I like dicks.

hi op, I could supply you with chicks when the time comes.

>>166079

It's deliciously ironic that you call us neckbeard basement dwellers when you spend literally hours every day trolling a group of 5 people and making petty conservative shitposts in this thread.

Take MY advice and CANCEL your WoW Account; get a life. :)

>>166083
>>166083

This is the first time I have wasted my time to comment on your pathetic little thread.

The fact that you think it is only one person commenting on the obvious fail inherent in your project shows you to also be a deeply paranoid individual.

Paranoia is another trait common with neckbeards.

Everything you say is indicative of the petty mind set of basement dwelling neckbeards.

I know you are what am I. I got the last word in. I got a better insult.

Just childish. This is why you types are foreveralones although you will of course always blame the outside world.

>>166082
>>166082

No thanks I prefer dudes. Nothing I like better than some man meat.

Me and the others in this project like to share photos of our junk on our chat. Maybe you would like to join?

>>166086

Yeah okay, cool story. You sure have strong feelings and absolute assurances of the furriness of our necks and the subterranean nature of our abodes for a first time poster.

Give it up; stick to heckling OWS threads. You don't have the creativity or talent for anything else.

>>166088
>>166088

Oh look at me Imma get the last word in.

Typical neckbeard behavior.

>>166089
>>166086

Is it just me or is this guy guilty of doing and being everything he accuses his opponents of?

>>166090
>>166090

Samefag is obvious. Dude you think dropping your precious 'moniker' isn't as transparent as your fail project.

This all started when I called you out for calling non believers in your project 'petty cunts'.

Go on make another five hundred posts proving just that.

I'll be up for hours. Be as petty a cunt as your wish.

>>166091

Still going? Feel free to bump my thread all you like. Saves me effort.

>>166095
>>166095

Also shows you to be a petty and ignorant neckbeard.

Its your thread dip wit. Shit in your house all you want.

>>166095

Dude, come on.

>>166099

A bump is a bump, I don't care if it comes from a troll or not. When it starts saging I'll stop prodding it.

>>166099
>>166099

Anyone that disagrees with OP is a troll. Yeah, sure whatever.

All I did was point out the ridiculousness of his project and his obvious mental state.

He refers to anyone that disagrees with his mania as a petty cunt.

He wants to get the last word in like a five year old. Why should I let him get the last word? Lets do this for another fifty posts so everyone will finally start to report his threads for sage/spam.

He is just a little jerk that can never leave his basement.

>>165280
>>165282
>>165288

>mfw noone read the one person with a good mind-set

Especially >>165282
I'm shutting down this fucking PC and going out for a walk. I'll be stuck here forever if I do not.

>>166118

I read it, I just wasn't sure how to respond other than with "Thanks for the input".

>>166121
>>166121

Maybe you should have just called him a petty cunt.

You need to keep reminding the peons this project is about your ego. If they don't want to stroke you they can just fuck off right?

I'll say what I said before in the last thread

This isn't going to work because there isn't enough of a driving force to get competent people to join. There's a reason that most communes like this are started by religious fundamentalists or hardcore communists/anarchists/whateverthefuck: If you're a competent person that is capable of supporting yourself already you're not going to uproot yourself and your life for a trivial reason.

Mite B Cool isn't going to get the people you need or hold the project together.

>>166163
This whole thing originally piqued my interest, but now I'm rather disgusted by it.

The autismal, I'mma insult you all cause it's 4chan lol attitude doesn't work at all when it comes to dealing with people you are trying to get to cooperate with you. Or people you are trying to convice to live with you 24/7 in primitive conditions.

Additionally, the bankroll-my-project-plz, aggressive $ solicitation is a turn-off when nobody in the project is interested in a business plan or model, can't guarantee the return of your $2k or tell you exactly what that buys you, and is basically uninterested in realistic methods of bringing in revenue.

You aren't likely get your $2k back for a long time if they buy land. The real estate market's in the shitter, some of the properties have been on the market for years.

Nobody can agree what the land will be used for, or how much land will go toward what.

Everyone is more obsessed with getting internet on site than tallying up the actual cost of land+living+building before anyone makes a cent back. I guarantee living there will cost far more than the $2k a head, and nobody is going to get paid a living wage for a real long time.

Hilscher routinely alienates people from the project because he just randomly flips out on people, even the poor fucks who've just wandered into chat. I can't go out there and live with someone that fucking insufferable.

That said, if 4 or 5 people can go through with it on a reasonably priced piece of land, with a couple on the farm full time caretaking and the rest weekending after their real jobs, it might work out great. Having too many people on the project at the beginning is slowing it down and causing conflict over the goals of the project. Sure you need money to buy the land, but if the core group can't afford the investment together, the banks won't let you buy the land. Simple as that.

>>166186
This. Why would I want to share land with a lot of shut-ins from 4chan when I can do it on my own like the guy mentioned in >>166118

>>166186
>>166216

Yup, you're better off finding some cheap local land and homesteading it yourself. Then, if you're mildly successful you can invite some of your likeminded friends to join you. Trying to incorporate a small business and then buy land with it under the direction of a bunch of strangers on the internet is a ludicrous idea.

Start a local group where you can meet face to face and get to know each other. That way at least you know who you're dealing with and that you live close together enough to make running a business and owning land together a feasible venture.

one option for the broke plan is to buy 2 acres, park trailers on it that have toilets and shower and then rent out the rest for grazing animals on it. THEN rent at tops $30/acre around 50 acres Buy few weaned cows, which take 2 years until they are big enough to sell. Each cow could be sold for at least 800 bucks. Then there are goats, and since the population of arabs and indians is rising, the meat industry has a harder time to keep up with the demand for goat meat. 10 acres can easily accommodate 100 goats. Takes about 8 months to raise a goat. Then there is the stupid proof rabbit raising, the whole carcass sells for 18 bucks a pound. They only take few months from baby to adult. The rabbit skin could be utilized too.
So here you go, pretty easy business plan. The biggest initial investment would be the animals,supplemental feed, and fencing.
Fool proof? Nothing is, but if a little kid can have a pet rabbit, then so can the so called "neckbeards" raise them.

Math (pessimistic figures)
100 goats x $100 (lot more if Halal) 10k/year
5 cows x $800 4k/every 2 years
100s of rabbits 10 bucks each, hell we could sell them as pets and even make cellphone cases out of the skin, sheaths etc.

>>165775
Its for sale now.

Mesh networking?
>Mesh networking.

>>166186

Shut up faggot! No one asked for your opinion.

>>166332
Yeah meshnetworking, it would be cheaper to just have a 30 foot tower or a pole like a telephone or power pole and have 120 degree antennas on it. Cheap, quick and works. Well, cheaper than mesh networking.

>>166389
Nah, wider beam angle = less gain.

An old C-band dish with a biquad or other directional antenna reflected into it would give the best range. It's the setup that record setters use.

+50 miles is not unreasonable. Remember, VHF+ is line of sight. The higher, the better.

>>166389
>>166389

LOL You guys can't even get a chat set up that works and you want to take on real world technological challenges.

>>166393
So how big do you think the property will be? And how big of a radius do you need?

>>166395
>>166348
>>166224
>>166216
>>166186
>>166163
>>166122

Do go on.

>>166397
Better too much gain than too little.

Data transfer does not like weak signals.

>>166402
You are going overboard, FCC has regulations to 1 watt anyway on the 802.11 a/b/g/n, and 40 acres is only 1320x1320 feet. 1 watt antenna will cover most, besides, aren't people going to live relatively close to each other? It's all great and fun to have 50+miles DLOS interent, but what for?

>>166404
I have an FCC amateur radio license.

I have secondary privileges within 9cm.

Meaning, I have a 1.5 kw limit.

It's better to have a high gain antenna and less wattage. Heat is a killer of electronics. Amps generate heat.

It's better to upgrade in the following order:
1.) Height (As high as possible)
2.) Type (Directional antennas)
3.) Coax (LMR400, LMR600, Heliax)
4.) Wattage (As much as you can keep cool)

Mind you, wattage is also the most expensive one to up, and has the least effects. Which is why it is last.

A setup like the one pictured would be most effective.

Two routers on a telephone pole, multiple telephone pole stations. Mesh each pole together with the yagis, then run off of each pole an un-meshed distribution router that utilizes a simple omni-directional vertical.

>>166404
I thought the upped the allowed strength? Besides, you can get around that by using more than one antenna.

>>166404
Also, the limit for unlicensed users is 1w output, 4w EIRP (so, a 6 dbi antenna).

God why don't you stupid fuckers just get a room already.

Face it you will never get farther than babbling on the internet. You don't have the ability to meet anyone in the real world and accomplish anything!

>>166427

>MFW you're so butt threatened that you can't stop heckling with nonstop whining.

Your whole worldview is threatened by the thought of someone making a sustainable farm, isn't it? Keep on being insecure, cuntservatives. Dohohoh.

>>166408
I know who you are, I have followed many of your threads.
Are talking about scenario, where the internet has to be brought to the property via wireless, or a scenario where the internet is available on the property (modem) and just needs to be made available to the others?

>>166455
>>166455

The first part of your business plan should literally be who has to live nearest this douchebag.

All he does is bitch and pony on his thread all day. Fucker obviously doesn't work.

I can't imagine having to live with someone or work with someone that childish and intollerable.

>>166455
>>166401

>Do go on.

>>166163 here

I'm a competent handyman/journeyman carpenter/journeyman plumber that has great skillset in everything but electronics, and my best skills are probably carpentry and masonry. While I'm far from the only one with such skills and I don't have a staggering level of expertise I think we could agree that these are skills which your farm project would need. Currently I'm doing well for myself where I am.

Give me a reason to come out and be part of your project that isn't "Mite B Cool."

>>163930
I could be a buisness/accountant
But we would also have to ditch the cars. Gas is too fucking expensive. get a bike or a surrey.

Greetings fellow /diy/angos
I don't have the time to read the whole thread.
How is the 4chan Farm Project going?
pic unrealted

>>166474
if you don't know what a surrey is, it's picrelated.

>>166474
How do people get there? that could be arranged
It is a remote place AFAIK.

Emergency? Someone hurts themselves, and in this case it is inevitable.

Also, what about transporting animals? Buying supplies?
One diesel truck would be great. We could do WVO and they are relatively easy to fix, last a while (cummins in ram)
While I do agree that not everyone needs a car, I feel that one at least is a necessity.

>>166477
Yeah I didn't know what surrey was, people call them something else here (Texas). Good to know.

>>166476
>>166476

They are pretty much sitting around insulting anyone who tells them their project is seriously flawed.

4 Chaners calling each other fags.

You know. The usual.

I can just imagine one of these guys trying to milk a cow. FAG! Give me your milk! FAG! FAG! I said milk FAG!

This is a really good idea!

Planned communities have and will always be a shitty idea.

Clan society is far better and what is naturally human. Just get some mobile homes (house on a bike, trailer house, RV, etc) and roam around the world as a clan of vagabonds. You'll have a much better time of it.

>>166477
>kid seat in the front
>to soften frontal crashes

>>166478
yeah, I feel like if everybody had a huge truck then we wouldn't be able to travel the acrage in the lot once the price of gas reaches a rediculous price. Get a surrey, they're about the price of a motorcycle.

>>166488
you're not going to be zooming down a highway in this thing. at max this thing gets 15mph, and that's if you have a 6 seater and everybody is pedaling.

>>166489
Just how big do you think this property is?

>>166494
> at max this thing gets 15mph

Head on collision with another one both traveling 15mph is equivalent of hitting a brick wall at 30mph. Combine that with the weight of 6 people in each one and you have lots of killing power. A kid won't live through that most likely.

>>166496
I frankly didn't see an acreage measurement in that guy's post. I was just assuming >20 acres. But I mean for general travel and getting around in a gas pinched society.

ITT: people don't know how big an acre is let along the amount of acres you'd really need for a planned community.

You need at least 600 acres to make a nice planned community. Most of that is buffer zone with the community in the middle or everyone is spread out with a meeting place.

>>166500
You could easily use a surrey for a 200 acre property even if it was 1x200 acres in shape. 200 acres isn't that much. I grew up on a 220 acre farm. I live on a 30 acre farm now and it's pretty damn small.

>>166499
Then cut the kid seats off of the front and sodder them into the middle bar.

>>166507
That's better.

>>166507
If you get a 4 seater.

There's a pagan retreat and planned community called Wisteria in Ohio. It's a little over 600 acres. They use electric golf carts (was gas and electric, but I think they've finally converted all of them to electric, not too sure though.) There's several families and they are for the most part self-sustaining, but they host massive festivals a few times a year.

One of the festivals (maybe all of them) have workshop classes usually including one on planned communities.

>>166509
like this.

>>166500
the property is pretty remote, like 20miles to the closest town of less than few thousand. Add hills, shitty weather, and the last thing you want to be doing is peddling. I like bikes, don't get me wrong. I also like the electric golfcart idea.

>>166529
Ah, I didn't think it was that remote.

>>166529
Meet Kei truck.

5-spd, 4WD, available in diesel configuration, 60 mpg, 1000 lb bed capacity.

Downside? No DOT/NHTSA/EPA certification, so it's not legal for use on public roads.

Run it on biodiesel for easy conversion.

Or get a gas one, and put a wood gasifier on a small trailer...or in the bed.

>>166555
how much?

If you are interested in the project please feel free to join the discussion here: http://cbe005.chat.mibbit.com/?channel=%23AgrarianEven&server=rizon.mibbit.org

The most active time are after 5:00 pm Central standard time.

For those of you who say nothing is getting done you are incorrect in that assumption. I have been finding/searching for properties constantly we have discussed several way's for money making and sound investing. Hilscher may be abrasive but he is working on this and is the primary driving force behind it (he is also quite knowledgeable about it). He is not the only person involved though. There are several regulars in the chat who can answer some questions.

>>166583
Around $3000.

They're usually pretty low mileage too.

They're popular in the USA as ORVs.

>>166502

>>166555
Around wher I live you can't get those street legal because of some shitty grey area. The sheriffs office says it isn't road worthy until it has a proper license and the DMV says they can't put a license on it because it's an ATV. Around and around the circle jerk goes. My boss (millionare) had so much trouble with his that he finally just sold it. Some guy slapped "FARM USE" on the side and that's that. lol

>>166617
You're an idiot, during this entire thread.

>>166618

I know it, bb. Gimme a kiss.

Hilscher farms.

>>166621
>>166621

And that's the nature of narcissists. They truly have no idea how ignorant and annoying other people find them.

Can you imagine being in a project with someone so idiotic as this.

If this project ever did go through (thousand to one shot at least) I predict someone would find this idiot's body dumped in the woods some place.

>>166705

I'm pretty. I can take a hint. You've been trying pretty hard to get the next door neighbor slot cleared of any other people. Say no more, you can take it and be close to me.

>>166705
It's fine. I don't know why he's doing this in the thread but in the chat he's fine. I think he has an overly broad definition of troll.

http://cbe005.chat.mibbit.com/?channel=%23AgrarianEven&server=rizon.mibbit.org

We really do talk in the chat and it's quite productive at times. We aren't going to kill him either. Don't go by the thread. If you fell like you have anything at all to ad please come to the chat.

>>166186

>The autismal, I'mma insult you all cause it's 4chan lol attitude doesn't work at all when it comes to dealing with people you are trying to get to cooperate with you.

If you're having personal problems with Hilscher, I just want to say that he does not represent the entire project by any means, nor do his views necessarily reflect the views of its members.


>Additionally, the bankroll-my-project-plz, aggressive $ solicitation is a turn-off when nobody in the project is interested in a business plan or model, can't guarantee the return of your $2k or tell you exactly what that buys you, and is basically uninterested in realistic methods of bringing in revenue.

I don't think that stating that you can buy a share if you'd like seems very aggressive, but that's just me. And for clarification, each individual's $2k would be held in escrow so that if the deal did not go through, the money would be returned to them. If the deal does go through, each individual would receive a portion of the property we ended up purchasing.

By the way, here are a few proposed (not final, obviously) business plans:

>>162103
>>162149
>>164531

And if you think all of these methods are totally ridiculous, then could you please propose some more realistic ones?


>Nobody can agree what the land will be used for, or how much land will go toward what.

We have not decided upon a property yet. This is to be expected.

>>166719

Cont'd.


>Everyone is more obsessed with getting internet on site than tallying up the actual cost of land+living+building before anyone makes a cent back.

As I stated above, we are still looking for property - we cannot tally up the cost of living and building, much less land, until we've found a piece of land that is suitable for our purposes. Internet, being the sole utility which we have no way to produce ourselves, is seen as essential for any property we might choose.


>I guarantee living there will cost far more than the $2k a head

Keep in mind that $2k is the minimum price for a share and nets you a smaller tract than, say, $4k or $8k would. Many members, keeping their own interests in mind, will contribute much more than that so as to secure themselves a larger share of the land.

>>166720
>>166719
Very well said

My suggestion for stopping this bullshit talk is for one member to buy 10 or 20 acres, divide them up to sell (if county allows/possible) to smaller tracts. SO 2k will get a member 1 or 2 acres, which will be their own. This way there is no dispute as far as who gets what or who owns what etc. People can have their own land, but still be part of the project. The rest of the land could be rented if possible for next to nothing, some land goes as low as $5 per acre..
Basically this concept is same as subdivision, with more control in the beginning with choosing who can buy the small tracts of land.

>>166736

I like this idea. I was originally excited about this project, then backed off and said I would come and help out if it was close to me. If that's the deal (and it were close to NE oklahoma) I would definitely buy a share or two. Don't think I'd live there for a while, but I'd definitely build some stuff and probably make it public-use, which I imagine would help the project.

Yeah sure enough I checked out there chat and this hilschler douche is in their being a douche too.

Just a bunch of tards speaking 4 chan tard speak like they are ever gonna do anything than potato on the internet.

LOL they like their ban hammer. Unfortunately real life don't work like that.

I hope they find some rich sucker to fund this. The fail would be fucking epic.

I don't know if more than 2 4 chan tards have ever been in the same room at one time let alone some huge undertaking like these asswipes are talking about.

>>166825
Thanks, I just try to help solve some problems. I still have school, so at most I would buy few plots and leave them out for grazing in exchange for partial or full coverage of my tax bill.
>>166831
It's sad, I stay in this for the sheer enjoyment. In the end if this were a business model, because of more delegation, smarter choices, better drive etc. I would work lot better. However, I think the main problem with this project is that the objectives are not clearly stated nor clearly outlined. Is it a refuge? A co-op? A B&B? There are no updates and so far there is not even a sketch of the progress.

i can hook up solar panels

>>166842
>>166842

Are you kidding? The main problem? The main problem?

The main problem is that the drivers of this project are guys like herschler that spend all day name calling and acting like general assholes.

Your chat room even sounds like a bunch of 4 Chaners talking retarded. It only serves to pump the ego of the few douchebags that opened it up. They sure get a lot of joy out of issuing bans. Can you imagine giving idiots like this any sort of money or power in the real world?

This project is driven by extremely emotionally immature adult children. That is the main problem.

>>161868
>>161828

Using complicated scientific methods, I have combined these two maps into one that reveals the ideal location for the farm. You're welcome.

>>166870
Thankyou based meteorologist Anon.
My state's of interest are all nicely in that green shape.
Mostly NC, WV, western part of VA, or if necessary TN.

>>166870
I'll start compiling my facts and plans in a document tomorrow. (Can't screen cap right now.)

>>166870
>Bible Belt

Nope.jpg

>>166864
I was talking in general, forgot to add to that. Hilscher is either the best troll on diy or forgot to take his meds. Like I said previously, I like this project more so a s a concept because I am working on something very similar but a s a business model. If you look at all the "power" and responsibility issues, the best solution would be village like setting.

>>166870
Forgot to modify the map with the FUCKING TORNADOES
that the NORTHEAST gets.
>>167099
Know of any other gun friendly, cheap, well situated states? Please, do share.

>>167115
>>167115

Well if that fuckstick has the power to ban people in chat then he apparently does speak for your group.

And if you let a fuckstick like Herschler speak for you what does that say about you? Hmmmmm......

>>167171
I am not letting anyone speak for me. Where did you get the idea anyway? Either way, he is quickly becoming the reason for a new thread without him however.

>>167173

What part of he can ban people in chat do you not comprehend.

Also the way your little crew ponies on this thread for days on end and responds within minutes to everything is pretty strange in and of itself.

>>167177
I have no crew, I monitor this thread often that is true. I went to chat twice, and yes he was a total douche in there, but I never got banned.

>>167177
>>167171

Waaaah, I can't be disruptive and troll without getting banned! This project is doomed! DOOOOOOOOMED! You vexed, childling?

http://mibbit.com/?channel=%23AgrarianEven&server=rizon.mibbit.org

We're thinking about questions to ask a person who runs a working cattle farm. Come on in.

>>167262
Do you have any questions already?
I have few:
Udder care.
Good brand/type of salt lick/vitamins.
How hard is birth.

>>167856

These are the questions we ended up going with.

You guys just have one pasture and never rotate it at all, right? How many acres is it?

Then you grow fodder on two other fields? How many acres are those, and what do you grow?

What is the most labor intensive part of raising cattle?

Is calving the most risky part of raising cattle?

How many cattle do you sell per year, and at what stages, and for how much? To whom do you sell?

Do you transport cows to be impregnated, or is the population self-sustaining?

Do you often need to use a livestock vet for any thing?

How are they managed in the winter? Do they all take shelter in the barn where the machinery is?

>>167207
>>167207

Dude you got like four or five little dupe followers for your little chat you set up.

You act like a douche in chat like you act like a douche here.

Nothing will ever come of your project because you are a douche.

I think on some level you know this. But right now the mental masturbation from this project is the only thing that legitimizes your existence.

Insulting random people on 4 Chan and controlling a douche board is pretty easy.

That doesn't translate into being able to do anything in the real world.

You would place a priority on making childish insults against others as it compensates for your childhood over ever being able to actually accomplish anything in real life.

>>167881

It would be good to ask cows/acre

>>Do you transport cows to be impregnated, or is the population self-sustaining?

It's cheaper to have self sustaining, dairy farms sell bulls for next to nothing like less than $20 for newborn, some just straight kill them.

>>How are they managed in the winter? Do they all take shelter in the barn where the machinery is?

never put cows with machinery, and depending on winter they need shelter.

How many cows do you want to have?
You could do one milking cow (Jersey cow)
Few dexter cows for meat.
Cows are not expensive to buy, when they are young (babies) Less than $50 per head. The expensive part is the weaning of bottle. Milk supplements cost pretty penny, but if you bought already a milking cow from your aunt, then you could just get few babies and let them drink the milk from the already milking cow. You would save good money. Remember, it takes 2 years to slaughter a cow. Other than that, pretty good questions.
One thing to add, though bit more expensive, seperate field, it is better to rotate than have one pasture, unless you have goats and cows together on pasture that is too big for them. Hugh from River Cottage had one pasture for cows, goats, chickens and it looked like everything was alright.

>>168184

Why not just have herschler fuck all the animals himself?

That seems about where his mentality is at.

>>168184

You seem to know your stuff. One thing I didn't ask about is bullcalf castration. If bulls are worthless like you say, why would anyone bother to make gelded steers? Why not just turn them into veal?

>>168263
Depends on the operation that the dairy farm is doing. Some dairy farms keep the bulls for veal, but most of them don't bother. They are set up certain way and they stick to it. I have gathered this information from many message boards. I personally would not bother castrating bulls, just keep them separate. If you go for dexter breed, they are very manageable with out castration.