/diy/ - Do It Yourself

Guys hands must be calloused to fuck

>>1604081
Do you enjoy baking?
>Yes: Then start baking
>No: Then don´t start baking
Get a job you think sounds at least a little interesting.

A jack of all trades is a millwright.

>>1604081
Bakers have to wake up at 4am to start work

>>1604467
But then those flour caked fags close up at 4

>>1604114
why would handling nice smooth steel make your hands more callused than anything else?
if he was handling rough lumber all day with no gloves then that would probably create those super thick calluses

>>1604467
Earlier. I used to deliver to a bakery, I'd get there at 4 and they'd be in full swing already, so maybe start at 3, wake up at 2-230? Granted they made shit for a lot of the restaurants in town so they probably had to start earlier than most

>>1604525
Smooth steel will get ya

>>1604081
Heavy equipment tech. I live in the southeast and starting pay for a half way intelligent mechanic with tools is mid $20's per hour. $30 and up for experienced techs in larger markets.

>>1604534
That’s what I applied for, I don’t have certs or tons of experience, but the guys in fleet were telling me to go for it. $27.50/hr. It’s about the same money I make now, but un 40hrs instead of 50-60, and I will bank if I get OT. I figured worst case scenario if that company keeps being a pain in the ass, I rack up a couple years of experience and go somewhere else for mid-$30s.

I’m still waiting to hear back. I think that job doesn’t get many applicants because they want the techs to have a Class A, and not many mechanics do. They have been getting a lot of shitty people the past couple years who leave real quick or get fired for dumb shit so I’m just trying to get the interview and go in there like “Bro, I have been here over 5 years, you know I’m not going to do anything too stupid”.

>>1604467
Work starting at 4 or 5 is nice, if it's a standard 40hr week schedule.
I work 5am to 1pm.

Getting off at 1pm is amazing, when you get ho.e it feels like you still have half of the day left. Can go to stores where it's not crowded etc etc.
I'm not much for the night life any.ore, so I go to bed at 9:30-10 and it's great. Being a morning person is pretty nice

>>1604532
looks pretty average at best.. you just need to wash your hands is all

>>1604525
That bar is still hot and he's holding it with no gloves. I would think the not glowing part would be a few 100s degrees if the tip is glowing

>>1604588
Well, maybe not. Tip isn't fully orange.
Why post a blacksmith when you wanted a bakery thread?

I'm an HVAC apprentice making 38$ an hour. Very simple and light work most of the time and hard stressful shit sometimes. Lots of guys in this trade make more depending on your specialty($60+). Can be a tough and dirty apprenticeship.

Electrical seems to be nice, as long as you have a brain. Instrumentation looks awesome, Elevator guys are paid the most where I'm from but it's really hard to get in to; it has its ups and downs.

If you're not the brightest you can make bank as a welder or plumber (no offense to the smart ones).

go work for a carpentor or elecrtician, thats what i did, if you cant take the physical and mental abuse from a journeyman then it aint you. You'll probably reconsider after all the labor you'll be doing, I did, but then i went to trade school, now im an electrical apprentice

>>1604596
there are 2 types of tinners, 2% are smart and run the jobs.. the rest are just a bunch of dumb tin bashers.

Make sure you dont become a dumb tin basher

>>1604424
if cocksuckers had a local union, millwrights would be scabbing off them too.

>>1605018
I don't even consider those guys HVAC although it's a huge portion. I mean the gas/refrigeration side of things. I work as a service tech so no bashy bashy for me

>>1604596
>ups and downs
i like that

>>1604596
Electrical is great to learn (you learn a diverse amount of tasks, skills, challenges to figure out that you can take home), but I never found it good to work long term.

>>1604529
Donut shop in town would open at 5am but the guy would get there at 2am. On weekends we would close the bar down and the 3 or 4 of us would just open for him while he sat around waiting for donuts qith the rest of us. Was a cool dude. Let us make all kinds of goofy shit and play with fryers hammered.

Fried crusfed durrito balls aint bad m8

>>1604553
Must be fucking nice. We tried that shit to beat the heat. Then the fucking bosses drag they ass out of bed and want us to work until 8pm anyway.

Like, fuck man. 1,000 bales a day aint bad when stacking in the 3 story barn when it's fucking 112 degrees.

But ahhhh fuck no. Let's haul 2,500 bales a day.

You kids want to know what man work is. Fucking find some old rancher that still stacks square bales. Or worse fucking 80lb alfalfa bales.

>>1604588

Nah. It's not bad when you get a few inches back

>>1605857
I stack a two horse’s worth of square bales for my mom twice a year and I’m FUCKINNNG sick of it. Respect.

>>1604588
Hell, even if the tip was burning it might be cool to the touch on the other end.

>>1604525
It's from the hammering. That hammer weighs about 4 pounds m8.

>>1604424
Millwright is just fancy word for butcher.

>>1604081
There's too much shit in the world to decide what you're going to do for the rest of your life from a post on 4chan.

I'm a tool and die maker, its definitely some interesting shit. Use your brain alot more than some other trades, can be extremely stressful at times.

>>1606809

>I'm a tool and die maker, its definitely some interesting shit. Use your brain alot more than some other trades, can be extremely stressful at times.

My internship as a tax preparer / staff accountant recently ended. I was looking to get into some kind of trade and saw there's a small workshop near me that is willing to train someone in machining / tool & die. I have absolutely no experience in blue collar work besides helping out at the warehouse at my folks' old electrical contracting business ( out of business now ) back when I was in highschool (6 - 7 years ago) and occasionally acting as an electrician's helper on some jobs.

Any kind of advice on how I can get this job? I am interested in machining and just started looking into tool & die as well but I'm certainly not well versed on anything related to machining yet and may seem "soft" to a guy running his own machine shop.

>>1606908
I got offered an apprenticeship through the factory I was an operator at. Honestly nobody expects you to know anything (how to machine, dies etc) when you start an apprenticeship.

Good mechanical aptitude, math and knowing basic tools will get your foot in the door. Alot of placed would rather take a brand new apprentice on then a 2nd or 3rd year one just because its alot easier to teach someone who doesnt know the way you think is correct than it is to teach someone who has their own way of going about something

>>1606993
I appreciate the response. Another question I have is would it be better just to walk in and introduce myself and tell the owner I saw his ad rather than sending a resume with accounting stuff all over it and having to write a lengthy cover page?

>>1604081
Baking is tedious and hard work, lots of lifting, from 50 pound sacks of flour to large mixing bowls of batter/dough in the same range, it can be fun especially if you work your way into a small bakery where you can experiment and develop recipes and are not stuck making huge batches. Just realize, most baking jobs are considerably more work than you would think, especially bread.

>>1604467
Bakers hours depends on the type of bakery, could very well start at midnight, generally if you bake with yeast and things need to rise you will work something like overnights, if you bake cookies and muffins you will start at like 4am, but it really depends on the bakery.

>>1605882
>>1605858
Oh. Why must stainless be a magnet for hate? :c

>>1607064
I worked for flowers bakery... wonder bread, ideal, natures own, etc they own all that shit.

>hair follicle test to get hired on
At a fucking bread factory
>100+ degree heat in the bread and bun factory
>mandatory overtime
You could get up to 14 “points” before being fired.
Missing one day, was 2 points. Took an entire year for each point to roll back.
Need to leave after 8 for college or an appointment? Snow days? Your sons graduation? Car broke down? Pointed.

Arguably the worst place I’ve ever worked, and still angers me how much advantage they take of their workers.

>>1604081
10 years baker here

Don't do that to yourself. Im a baker and I look for a customer service job. Beeing a baker crushes your soul, mind and body. Plus breathing a lot of flour isnt good for your health. I just finished work and my body feels likes its shattered to pieces. Lower back pain,feet burning, fingers hurting from forging the dough, everygod damn thing hurts. Oh and will need wrist surgery un a few years for sure. I just wasted 15 mins of sleep for trying to save you. If you think beeing a baker is far from cooking you are wrong.

>>1604553
for real tho. My schedule varies a lot but I start at 5-7 usually and being out early is def the move, especially considering traffic in Chicago, and how far my commute sometimes is. I still can't get to bed before midnight but desu if you're doing physical work you don't notice how tired you are imo

>>1604081
I started doing a/v installation / systems integration 2 years ago, and desu I'd heavily recommend it. It's still physical work, lots of drilling, carrying heavy shit, cutting shit with saws, mounting shit on walls/ceilings, but it's really not that difficult/stressful overall. You work on new construction sites alongside most of the building construction trades, so you'll get a glimpse of what each job is like, and you end up learning a lot about hand/power tools for somebody who's never worked in trade. No apprenticeship required and it'll get you some real construction experience. Also there's a well-paid a/v programming job up the ladder a bit if you stick with it for some years.

>>1604081

Tradesman here.

I say plumbing or HVAC is best.

I would say electrical, but it can be hard on the hands (carpal tunnel) and there is the risk of getting badly electrocuted.

>>1607261
Aren't hvac and electrical similar?

>>1607261
HVAC (air conditioning), because it is literally electrician which is also a plumber.
There is a down side though. They braze water pipes.

>>1607283
Commercial electricians do a hell of a lot more digging than tinners

>>1607049
Would probably be a good idea to go introduce yourself to them. Majority of the people in this trade are 50+ with that boomer mentality.

>>1607306
Yeah I figured that would be best. Thanks!

Are there any trades that might let me work my way into close proximity to the aerospace industry? Or hell get somewhere in the stratosphere of Space X?

I've been a stay at home dad for fucking years and it's crippling my fulfillment.

I figure a tradeskill is my best chance at decent employment. No way in hell i'd pull a bachelor's degree out of my ass and get into Flight School at 32

>>1609306
>at 32

if you got this far without achieving anything, forget it and enjoy the bliss of being a retard.

>>1609306
>Are there any trades that might let me work my way into close proximity to the aerospace industry? Or hell get somewhere in the stratosphere of Space X?
>I've been a stay at home dad for fucking years and it's crippling my fulfillment.
>I figure a tradeskill is my best chance at decent employment. No way in hell i'd pull a bachelor's degree out of my ass and get into Flight School at 32

Or is this some new hilarious troll pasta. If so, well written.

>>1609308

>>1604081
instrumentation and controls

>>1604081
Plumber / AC repair

there’s always a high demand for those jobs and the pay is really high

>1609352
1+ for AC Repair

HVAC Techs can make upwards of 50$ an hour on the higher end.

>>1604596

>apprentice making 38$ an hour

>>1609352
I just applied to the plumber/pipe fitters/HVAC union.

One time, a journeyman Ironworker yelled at the pipe fitters to move out of the way of the crane. Followed by “that’s the fastest I’ve yall move all week”

They get paid more, and don’t have to bust ass like Ironworkers due. Fuck, all Ironworkers got going for us is the machismo of working a back breaking job. Fucking apprentices make as much as journeyman rodbusters, unless you’re a foreman.

In the meantime, I’m stuck in this position a majority of the day. It’s fucking miserable. Why would anyone want to do this for 35 years before being able to retire?
>pic related

>>1604596
>apprentice $38 an hour

>>1609389
At least those good union gigs will let you retire with a pension. There’s a lot of jobs where you can bust ass for 40+ years and won’t have shit to retire unless you stack away 15%+ of every paycheck.

>>1609494
You should be trying to do that regardless of a pension.

>>1609533
Meh I suck at life so I’m just trying to keep my 401k going plus a smaller pension. Stupid company only matches 50¢ to the dollar up to 4%, so if I contribute 7%, they still only give me 2%. Having that started in your early 20s isn’t too bad, but who knows what the fuck social security will be like in another 30-40 years.

>>1604081
>>1604081
Whatever you do, the only possible way to move up when you're just jumping in fresh is to prove beyond any doubt you can be trusted with tasks. Do that, and companies will always rehire you later. And you also probably have enough drive to handle doing your own small business or contracting arrangement if you want. When people can SEE that they can trust you not to fuck everything up, you'll have a much better time because yours skills are too valuable to waste of brain-dead back breaking work. So really work to git gud as hard as possible when you're starting out and you'll be glad you did when you're a few years into it and already feeling those aches. And don't get discouraged. It takes a good amount of shitty learning experiences to get really good at something. No plumber who has any real amount of experience can say he's come home 100% clean 100% of the time.
And always make sure those fuckers sign hours for your apprenticeship. Nag and bitch and moan and fight to get your fucking hour sheet signed and don't take any goddamn excuses. Lots of places will fuck you on this constantly.

I have to take a TABE test and if I fail I have to spend 25 more hours in a classroom learning things that won't help me on the test.
I have no idea what to study because it's not that long of a test and I only struggled in a few sections that I forgot after being out of school for 2 years. I don't even remember what was on the test because I assumed I would pass since I wasn't too bad at math. Didn't know how much I forgot.

Anyone who took the test recently, or at least remember what you need to know, what should I focus on studying?

>>1604081
>I have a shitty call center job that is crushing my soul
Nigger, this is my life as well

>>1609687
>Call center
Why

>>1604424
Redpill me on this please. I'm very interested.

>>1604081
Any of you guys know about locksmithing? It seems like fun.

>>1605013
>if you cant take the physical and mental abuse from a journeyman t

What kind of abuse?

Any other crane operators here?

I'm an apprentice right now, can't wait to get it over with. Crane operators run shit on the construction site

>>1604081
is programming considered a trade?

>>1609306
I guess aviation technician

>>1613363
That’s always seemed like a cool trade. I think those dudes are in pretty high demand and as long as you don’t work for Spirit Airlines or something, they will let you do the job right and you’re not going to be dealing with dirty and corroded shit all day like auto and other machinery.

>>1612649
Not him but in my experience they often have deadlines to meet and if you fuck up they often have to start over. That's where the frustration starts building up. I dropped out of the apprenticeship due to that and right now I'm about to go to community college, learning in a relaxed environment suits me better

>>1613380
yes but the cheapest and fastest way to get training is to enlist in your country Air Force, that will be a problem or not depending on how trilled you are about doing service. I think in USA with 5 years of service you have enough knowledge and experience to leave the military and join the civilian workforce but you should ask in /k/.

>>1613397
well, be careful in what you choose as a career. Brokers, salesman and marketing can be very high stressful careers (they pay a lot) also software development depending on the business and specialization it can be very fucking stressful. Being a doctor can be too, just choose wisely but you will have to deal with stressful situations (with variable degree of intensity) your whole life.

if you are young, learn to control it and build a thick skin for criticism.

>>1613415
Kek I'm taking HVAC classes now, I'm a slow learner so that affected my apprenticeship as well, and like I said the have deadlines to meet so me screwing up a thousand times was gonna get to them one way or another. Maybe it wasn't for me..

>>1613417
ah ok, well every trade is different and do not worry about being a slow learner, there are "smart" people who never settle for anything because everything looks easy and dull. Just keep learning.

>>1609306
I work in material and product testings as a machinist and my company does a lot of work for aerospace companies. My location is more oil and gas, but I have done work for SpaceX and I'm sure our aerospace focused locations have been doing much more. I know Tesla has hunting tool and die makers, they were recruiting hard when I was in school, not sure about SpaceX. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to get in to something like that though. Look for smaller companies in adjacent fields. A lot of these places are more than willing to train, they just need someone that will show up, learn fast, not afraid to get dirty, and always get the job done. I'm a machinist, but I'm also a forklift driver, receiving clerk, CNC programmer, fixture designer, and maintain and repair all sorts of machine tools and test equipment. My education is a one year machine tool technical diploma and all prior experience is retail. They hired me because I seemed curious and excited about what they do, and I liked to work with my hands.

>>1604081
as an electrician I think carpentry is something everyone should learn... at least the basics. It's skills cross over into pretty much all the other trades.

>>1613572
Agreed. Angles confuse too many people. A few weeks with a trim Carpenter would solve that.

Sailor / wood worker. I work on and sail wooden boats. Primarily classic racing yatchs. Fuck fiber glass shit.

It's hard work and the hours can be brutal, but there are a ton of perks. Mainly getting to sail and work on super sick boats that the average person could never afford. Also, tons of free alcohol and food from charters.

>>1613409
I wanted to do that but wasn’t about to go into the military. If you don’t do that, it’s tricky to rack up the hours unless your family has money and can shell out $$$ for you to joyride in your 20s. Also flying for commercial airlines doesn’t seem to be nearly as prestigious as it used to be. That shit is like a middle class job these days.

>>1604114
yeah its called being a man ..should try sometime

>>1604532
>fleshlite wear

>>1609389
Fuck Fitters
lazy fuckers think theyre gods

>>1609411
uncle scam gets 50%+

>>1614166
wait, I am talking about aviation technician (mechanic for planes) not about be a pilot.

>>1613570
How'd you find out about the opportunity? Through school or just applying?

https://www.acctech.us/training_center_info.cfm
Was recommended to train here. I doubt people here will know, but should I go for it?

>>1614730
Nevermind, if I keep being hesitant I'll probably stay on my butt doing nothing forever. Anything's better than what I'm doing now.

>>1604529

There is a small bakery near me in a small town (not even 4,000 people) but has a lot of traffic from adjacent smaller towns and when I am coming home from a booze cruise you can smell baking bread at 3:00am.

I would say don't look into anything too specific. Most of my best career choices that have opened the most doors and given me most choices have been applying for jobs I have never thought about until I looked out of the "box" of my preferences.

>>1604081
Don't be a drywaller. Only really stupid people end up being a drywaller.

>Bachelors of computer science
>hate it and want to workwith my hands. Filled with regret

How do i even start? I want a career crafting

>>1604596
HVACs are really shitty plumbers and shitty electrician, and they are only allowed to air conditioners, since leaking freon won't hurt anyone.

>>1615669
Make something. Build something. Anything of anything. Start it as a hobby and see if it sells.
The attached pic is my computer. I wanted a new one with a little style, so I bought a 1941 Philco POS radio and a 1946 Silvertone slightly less POS radio from garage sales for maybe $10 each, cut them down and joined them together with the maple from another garage sale table. All-in, the case cost me $25 and 20 hours or so actual work. How much could I sell it for? (I make other things for a living, so this was just for fun.) But, what could you do? What do you think would be fun and engaging?
Do it!

>>1615690
So says the guy who never worked on commercial ammonia

>>1615690
Another do-it-all trade, which involves HVAC, are operating engineers. It's not a bad gig because most end up on maintenance; that is you sit in front of a bunch of computer screens most of the day. If something goes wrong, you shut off the valves, and figure out what went wrong. Most guys I see who call themselves operators manage facilities from refineries to manufacturing plants.

That said the awful part is working near compressors so loud you're required double hearing protection. It requires the skills HVAC, boilers, plumbing, electrical and welding,

Plumbing, HVAC, or Apartment Maintenance Technician?
I hear apartment technician has benefits but there are also a lot of cons that come with it. I get an apartment but I'll be miserable on-call with money-hungry bosses that will trade me out for lower-paid workers if I ever work my way up.

Kinda want to do HVAC or Plumbing but that free apartment is tempting. Is it not worth it at all?

Everyone always forgets about aviation technicians.

Military experience and/or a two year school will get you a starting gig at an airline now for more than $30/hr. There is a severe shortage of us, and kids are getting hired straight out of tech school because of it.

Most places have a five year top out around $50/hr, with some outliers at $60.

When I was getting started in this field, an airline slot was the end game goal. Now it’s the starting point too, if you're somewhat competent.

>>1615730
My problem is not knowing how to start at all. I'd like to but I'm also not sure if I'd be able to handle it at all.
Any tips on beginning?

>>1615717
If you want to work engineering/maintenance top tier is hospital, 2nd tier is hotel, bottom tier is apartments.

>>1615735
Ah, so should I just go through this 10 week program and then take the offer for the apartment company? Then during that, apply for hotel or hospital maintenance? Or at least deal with the apartment garbage until I save up enough for my own place?

>>1615733
Join the air force or go to tech school. They'll teach you enough to get a job.

>>1615737
If you have a shot at a job opening in apartments take it. Then work on getting whatever you need to work your way up. Lots of apartment and hotel engineering jobs are ojt and they got the job because somebody knows somebody.

I'm a welder. I fucking hate it.

>>1615733
Many community colleges offer a two year program that teaches you the skills needed, and will offer the license testing as well.

If you do go the military route, you'll have to get pretty specific jobs that will allow you to meet the experience requirements for the FAA licenses.

Air Force - you need to be a crew chief, and not some specialized skill like avionics.

Navy, Marines, and Coast Guard - you need to be power plant or structures. The Navy and Coast guard calls these jobs "AD"and "AM" respectively.

Having been in this business for almost twenty years now, I can tell you that the Navy, Marines and Coast Guard guys are superior technicians. Their training is much, much broader.

Hope this helps.

>>1615709
Ammonia smells so bad it is safe.
>>1615715
Also brazing.

I'm gonna be living in my car soon, I failed military basic and I'm getting to be a burden on my mom who can barely support herself and my sister.
What are some good jobs I can get without a degree while working on getting one? I don't care about if it's too many hours right now, I just need to get stable

>>1604596
I have a lifelong buddy in HVAC and I wanted to replace my 2.5 ton central air to a 3 ton. He got me a 3 Ton Ducane with everything for $1800 at a discount. I was excited for the deal and went ahead and ordered it and he said he was going to charge me cheap. Pretty much all he was doing was switching out the unit inside the house and outside using the same connections. He is fucking charging me $1000 in labor for what he says is a 3 hour job. I told him that was too much and he says his company would have charged me 4500. I work in concrete and I only charged him $300 for a 30 x 32 slab, poured and finished. Is that a normal rate for changing out your central A/C?

>>1616049
If you’re open to living in a car, you might as well go enlist with Swift or Werner.

>>1616049
>I failed military basic
How the hell did you arrange that?

>>1615744
why

>>1616171
>$300 for a 30 x 32 slab, poured and finished.
Tell him to go fuck himself. I would offer him $200. If he says no, just sell the unit.

newfriend here. Is machining/CNC a good trade to get into?

>>1616229

I have to be on the road to make the good money and it's almost impossible to get a long time gig at a good company. It's also destroying my body.

>>1616171
Yeah he's ripping you off. Unless he's re-running ductwork (welding sheetmetal), insulating, full freon recapture, and has 2+ man crew.

Cost of labor is $70/hr, and that's skilled labor, licensed, union.
Cost of materials. Well the 3 ton HVAC unit is $1500-1800.
Cost of disposal. Freon does cost to dispose, I don't hear of charges more than $100

Anyways, that's why you have to sign contracts before work is done. Don't pay for it. If he sues, tell the small claims court he improperly installed the work and you had to pay out of pocket to repair.

Don't pay.

>>1616273
If he were installing a new unit, and then subcontract out the electrical power/controls to an electrician, then yeah. Electrician would run wire for two lines and install a new circuit at the breaker. Then we're talking about money.

>>1609306
you'd be surprised as far as college goes. A lot can be done online, but also community colleges are pretty easy and open

>>1604081
Learn anything associated with handyman / construction shit while studying rehab and buying shithole houses to fix up and rent. It's not fun at all but i bought a house 6 years ago and fixed it up. Paid like 13k put like 4k in it and rent it for $100 a month over mortgage payments. The extra cash accumulates in the bank for the next one.

Build momentum doing this while you learn the ropes.

The buy shithole, fix it up, rent it out, reapraise if for mor money, pull 80% or whatever max is when you refinance.

Why does everyone want to slave away for a lifetime qhen you can essentially get paid cash to aquire a house that someone else pays for?

>>1616599
To add to this anon, I come from a more white collar family, you can also put your money in blue check accounts during a safe market and it will most likely accumulate faster than it would the bank. Also somewhere around 90% of self made millionaires in America make it through the housing market

>>1616236
>>1616273
Yea I talked to him and told him I would pay 400 or for him to return the unit back. He sounded pretty desperate for money and he accepted the offer.

>>1605049
Correct me if wrong but I thought "tin bashers" were sheet metal workers. A different trade from HVAC, although a lot of them work for HVAC companies.

I'm actually looking at sheet metal work simply because it seems to be one of the less popular trades. Where I live everyone wants to be an electrician or plumber but the opportunities are so few that the only guys who get hired as apprentices are those who already have a father or uncle in the trade.

>>1604596
HVAC is the southern boys Craigslist Catcall.
>apprentice at 38 USD
Unless you forgot your canadian currency symbol you'd have to be giving your company CEO a fucking rimjob daily to be starting this high.

I do furniture restoration and it's a great trade if you like to be creative and work with your hands. People are willing to pay a premium for you if you do above average work. The best part about it is you are generally dealing with people that aren't penny pinching, and the fact that the job market isn't flooded. I tried several trades before I stuck with this one, and eventually I want to learn woodworking so I can create furniture myself. Dip your toes into everything and see what really clicks with you. Don't just do it for the higher pay grade. If you enjoy what you do and do good work, the money will come.

>>1617448
I know a boomer who learned furniture restoration while in prison for drug smuggling. Dude is based, he has gotten very good at his trade over time and now he just stays at his house all the time smoking ganja and doing his furniture thing.

>>1609494
Lot of Ironworkers can’t even make it to retirement because of their bodies giving out, and someone told me most die within 5 years of retirement.

Just yesterday I was talking with other Ironworkers on the job site about our annuity going up as one guy said
>”I’m 32 now. There is no way I’m going to live long enough or still be able to do this in my late 60s before I retire”
Also discovered of the union trades, Ironworkers pretty much make the least, just ahead of laborers. Even carpenters make more!

I’m 4 months in. Not even putting my 2 weeks notice, since they’d probably just shit can me and call the hall.
I have no shame, especially working around the meat grinder culture of crews and foremen. Chew you up, spit you out, and call the next guy.

The whole “rush rush rush...alright, go home early” is fucking retarded. I’ve seen so many injuries in just 4 months. Fuck this shit. 4 more working days, and I’m out.

>>1617534
based and redpilled

>>1617549
>The whole “rush rush rush...alright, go home early” is fucking retarded

I’ve been working on getting a carpenters apprenticeship started and I’m getting the impression that this and lay-offs will be the norm. What are you thinking of doing instead?

>>1617549
Quit being such a bitch. Hard labor isn't that bad on your body. I was an iron worker for 2 years, now I'm a welder. I still work with iron workers daily
There are 50 yr old guys all over the place. In great shape.

>>1617753
Maybe its just the specific place he works at

>>1615692
Based

I'd like to become a stone mason, but I don't really understand how the fuck to get into trades to begin with, if you're not going through a vocational school.
Do I just find a guy and ask if I can apprentice?

>>1617753
Oh shut the fuck up.

Ironworking is the most retarded meat grinder job I’ve worked, and the first job offer I got since needing a job on land. Know why? Because the turnover rate is astronomical because it’s a shit job. 80% of apprentices never journey out.
They used to teach welding in first year, then everyone would get their certs and fuck off to a better paycheck and career.

>multiple career guys who have a fucked up gait
>foreman who hurt his back back by 35
>journeyman who fucked his back just lifting bar on his shoulder
>apprentice who sprained his ankle
>2 guys who needed carpal tunnel surgery
>guy retiring this week in his 60’s who needs both hips replaced
Every Ironworker I’ve asked, over 20 and including myself, are chronically in pain. Moving literal tons of iron by hand all day is terrible on the body. You’re fucking retarded if you think otherwise.

>>1617755
All rod outfits are pretty much the same from what I’ve been told. Use you up, lay you off. 2k lbs of iron an hour per Ironworker.

>>1618831
Unions. Google apprenticeships on job sites. Make phone calls. It’s not hard.

>>1618868
Sounds like your union needs a few more crane operators. I would have left too.

>>1604081
>I need some advises
>advises
>advises
I see now why you're looking into trades.

>>1604081
>>1609687
>call center
You're very likely making more than my last IT offer for senior support specialist for Dell on ground at Boeing Aviation: $12/hr

Maybe not what your thinking but nursing is pretty good for me I been at it 10y but make 80k as a night icu nurse. Warm in the winter, cool in the summer, day or night shift, always jobs, relocate or travel nursing in any place in the country with a 3 year degree. Great for dudes too, pussy everywhere, tons of incompetent or new staff or crazy bitches which just solidifies your usefulness your a level headed dude. I’d do emt-b and hire into an Er tech job to build skills and do the RN at a community college while working.

>>1609354
Should have mentioned I'm a 4th year apprentice. Started at 18. Then 20, 25, 30, to 38 where I am now. I asked for this last raise the others came to me. Should be getting 45 when I get my ticket in September.

>>1604532
As a hardcore NEET that is what my right hand looks like after stroking Richard for 10 years straight.

>>1618869
Oh, every job has union crane operators.
The rods simply don’t place themselves.

Just was talking with a guy in the pipefitter/plumbers union. He’s a fucking apprentice making $45/hr!
Ironworkers top out at $41/hr. They just said “come on man, join us. You’re smarter that running with rebar”

It just upsets me, that for such a back breaking job...the pay ain’t there and many guys have to boom out to other locals once the work slows.
And rushing jobs, to get done early, so the crew makes less money.

So Friday is my last day. I’ll be breaking even or getting further ahead with the new job I’ll be taking, while I wait out my pipefitter/plumber acceptance.
I have no reason to keep being a shit lifter, when I could learn more in another job for the next 3-9 months.
Also, not being as much of a grumpy 24 year old fuck.

>>1618877
Dude I've made more an hour doing landscaping lmao

>>1618910
Second this. I'm a doc now, but did almost a decade of nursing first to pay bills. Amazing amount of work to be had all over. Paid for my med school. Met my wife there too. Just don't work at a big metro gen ER unless you want to triage nogs with beetus and gunshot wounds all day forever.

>>1604534
>Heavy equipment tech. I live in the southeast and starting pay for a half way intelligent mechanic with tools is mid $20's per hour. $30 and up for experienced techs in larger markets.


what about truck mechanics?

I got into a program that'll apy for my truck / coach mechanic but i'm thinking HET guys make more.

any huge diffs in the market for the two?

>>1619119
Hey man congrats. You made the right choice.

Tons of pipe fitters are oil refineries. They got work.

I did trade school for welding this year, but I domt feel like Im ready to be on my own yet. Is this normal or am I retarded?

I can use an acetylene torch, GMAW 1g 2g and almost 3g, Mig 1g 2g 3g and Flux core but I dont know how to set it up. At schoool I was welding with quarter inch plate but if you give me any other thickness Ill probably blow right through it.

>>1619119
My brother is busting his balls for 28 dollars per hour and hes been in the business for almost 7 years. Its not easy work he claims and you can see it in his face.

I really doubt some retard on 4chan is just going to stroll into a union and start making almost 50 dollars per hour. Stop with the bullshit

>>1619737
Apprenticeships are a 5 year program. After the first 2 years, pay really scales up. I'm a sparky and 5 year apprentices work alone and earn those wages.

4th and 5th years of high paying trades: electrical, pipefitting, etc, and in the right region will earn those wages.

How do you prepare yourself to be a tradesman? What kind of math, skills, etc can you teach yourself? What kind of physical abilites are necessary?

>>1619749
Just go get a job. There are plenty of fucking idiots with jobs, it whats the worst that happens?

>>1619671
Job I was looking at is $27.50/hr, but they want you to have a Class A and I think that turns a lot of people away. They are asking about experience rather than schooling.

>>1619737
Why would anybody lie on the internet?

>>1616208
A lot of people fail out of basic. About 1/3rd of the guys I went to boot camp with failed out.

>hidden medical issues (mental issues)
>smoked weed at MEPs right before going
>many just can’t handle the “stress” or whatever

Less than %70 of young people today are fit for service without some kind of waiver.

>>1619759
>Class A

I'm looking to work on the trucks rather than drive them.

Arguably if you're working on them wouldn't a company help you get the license?

>>1619737
Your brother is clearly non-union.

And cutting the bullshit, you have no clue how unions or apprenticeships work or pay.

>>1604081
I just got into plumbing, I'm an apprentice

>>1609306
Jeffrey?

>>1614197
I'm not that anon you were talking to but I can provide you some info on becoming an aircraft maintenance technician. It's usually 18-24 months of school to get your airframe and powerplant licenses. You might find places doing it in 15 months. If you're willing to relocate to where the demand is then you can make a comfortable living.
Depending on what type of operation you work for determines if you're going to be doing constant labor or if things are more relaxed.

what'd would be the most literary tradesmen i dont want my soul to be given to the borgeous capitalist machine

>>1620093
You’re working for the man either way.

A company/corporation is buying you time/labor, for profit.

Start your own company, and you’re just on the other end of the stick.

We are all working for the man, you filthy commie.

>>1620093
Construction. Learn to handyman. Buy a shithole house. Fix it up nice. Refinance it for the improved amount now and pull all of the equity out you can (wich is more thathan initial cash invested.) Rent it out for sell owner finance and take any extra cash and monthly income and repeat. Before long you'll have a handful of rentals and some kid to do the heavy lifiting. Keep growing and then do deals from a tablet while shitposting from the beach.

>>1615692
50$ or 75 if you can get the cd drive to match the surrounding case

>>1620093
farmer. just be a farmer. there is literally no nobler of a blue collar profession.

>>1620093
Woodworking, furniture repair, furniture restoration, cabinet making, bladesmithing, anything you can offer as a personalized service. In order to get to the point of working by yourself and for yourself, you have to be dedicated and grind it out. It takes saving money and strategizing. It's not an easy thing to do, despite what people may larp on here

any gas fitters around?
what can you tell me about your trade? do you guys think that you can handle water plumbing with your training?

is working fundamentally serving the jews?

>>1621739
Well, in Nazi Germany it was easier to start your own business so...

>>1606993

This applies to a lot of jobs. Work ethic > training for new hires imo

If I were going into the trades right now, I'd go for welding. Huge money there all over the USA. Then pivot to machinist later.

>>1617739
>>1617549
That just sounds like a bad local

>>1620079

R-rolanda??

To the retards calling other people retards about high apprentice wages. No one claiming to make that much said they were first year. Look up apprentice wages in the chicagoland area. Local 134, 597, 1, 134, 135, etc

Pipefitters scale is 19.40, 27, 31, 38, then 45 as a journeyman

>>1604081
Prostitution if your cute, or at least willing to do disgusting things

>>1615717
Was an apartment maintenance tech thought most of college, would say its worth it for a yonger guy. You get exposed to a lot of different types of work like basic heating, plumbing, eletrical, & carpentry which will help you figure out what you wanna get into later down the road. Plus you save a ton of money on rent.

I actually signed up for HVAC AND Welding.

Can someone point me to some good begginer HVAC and or Welding guides?

I co-own and operate a small farm with family. Looking to pick up a trade to supplement our income when times are lean. Needs to be something that I can do part-time since I have farm duties. Any suggestion?

>>1620599
terrible pay, long hours, everything you own will have farm stench. Don't recommend

>>1613409
This is what i'm doing, would like to join the RAF as either mechanical/avionics engineer or using aerospace comms systems. Biggest problem is not having enough GCSE's, and fitness for the bleep test. Kind of a brainlet in maths too

https://www.raf.mod.uk/recruitment/roles/roles-finder/air-operations-support/air-space-operations-specialist-aerospace-systems

>>1604081
Become a stagehand (IATSE is the union). The work ranges from laughably easy (Broadway shows) to soul crushingly brutal (big repertory theatres like opera houses). And anybody who isn't a complete idiot is making AT LEAST 100k per year (up to 400+). Other perks are:

- You're always in a wild, theater environment.
-You'll probably be working in an interesting city.
- No HR feminazi lesbians breathing down your neck all day about thought and speech crimes.
- Great benefits.
- A passport to find interesting work just about anywhere you please once you get your union card.

You WILL be working crazy hours though.

>t. Stagehand for 14 years.

>>1625272

stagehands can make $400k?

>>1625283
If you make it up to head of a department in a big theater (carpenter, electric, props, sound, automation, etc)... then yes. One of my bosses is the most useless, clueless piece of shit I've ever met. He's making at least 300k/yr, and isn't even a department head.

My old department head was making ~430k/yr. So were the heads of electrics and props. And the bosses next door to me (and also at Carnegie Hall) are making more than that. Even lowly general assistants in my theatre are making over 200k. And there are 7 of them. I'll be a general assistant myself in a few more years (and not looking forward to it desu). I'm already breaking 150.

>>1625287
Correction... there are 7 of them in every department. This business is a fucking money tree.

>>1625287
>>1625291

So a handful of people in the most expensive city in america make decent money. WOW. How much does a stagehand make in Pittsburg? Charlotte? Houston?

>>1625293
Last time I checked, bus tickets weren't that expensive. And you can get an apartment in Harlem, queens, or Washington Heights that's not much more than anywhere else in the country. Nothing's stopping you but fear and air.

>>1625297
>an apartment in Harlem, queens, or Washington Heights that's not much more than anywhere else in the country.

You've been in NYC too long, anon. Escape if you can, but it might be too late.

>>1625303
>>>1625297 (You)
>>an apartment in Harlem, queens, or Washington Heights that's not much more than anywhere else in the country.
>You've been in NYC too long, anon. Escape if you can, but it might be too late.

I'd love to "escape." I'm sick to death of this job and this city. But I DID think it was pretty awesome for the first 7 years or so. I used to work in a shitty call center just like OP before I started this job. He might really enjoy it (at least for a while). And, if he's smart, he could sock away a ton of money by the time he decideds he's had enough.

>>1625297
>the retarded Dominican who mops floors in Manhattan can't do math
Surprise

>>1624240
Tradies are too numerous in rural zipcodes for making any kind of money. Pick your poison.

Healthcare is way hotter than trades. Cashin in on the boomer death while you can.

You’ll never go hungry again for being a baker... Just saying.

>>1618831
I would see about calling up your local headstone store. Maybe they might have a supplier.

>>1607203
Ive been late to work twice in 5 years. Never called in sick here once yet. Got wrote up for being 10 minutes late.

Just kill me now

>>1609389
Ooooof.

No thanks

>>1609569
It'll be gone is what it'll be.

>>1616193
DO NOT fucking get scammed into truck driving school. Especially for those crooked cocksmokes at swift.

With this elog shit you can't even make any money.

3 miles from your drop. Out of hours? Well now you sit and stare at your drop for 8 or 10 hours or wtf ever the HOS os now.

The desk jockey retards thst regulate the trucking industry shouldn't even be allowed to drive.

>>1616611
2 of the biggest problems getting rich is finding money and taxes.

Tax law favors real estate and its easy to take back if you default

>>1617434
Kek

>>1617448
YouTube has anything you'd need to learn. I took wood shop in high school and wish i could do that all day.

>>1617739
We in a bubble. Good luck getting work

>>1620189
This. Socialists are scumbags

>>1622546
Same. Still kicking my ass for not just going to 9 month welding school and going pipelining. 18 year old kids with a work ethic making 6 figures

>>1627049
All welding jobs are 16 an hour in my area
>>1627031
Is truck driving really that bad?

>>1625303
No. We don't need anymore yankee faggtos

>>1625309
>be me
>interview to mop floors
>need 2 years of janitorial experience.

2 years experience to mop a fucking floor..

>>1627051
Yeah. It's fucking just aweful.

Maybe if you got a dedicated route or delivery driver but driving over the road is aids.

>charged for idling the truck. In arizona. In the summer.
>elog machine beeps constantly wakes you up


I drove for a subsidiary of Swift. All big mega carriers will cuck you into a 3rd party lease or run you off before your first year is up so you have to pay the full $3,000 for training. They put you with a trainer for a month but really just team drive you on salary.

My school had 75 or so average class size. 75 people a week for 2,000 company trucks.

There's a reason turnover is 98% and every retard has a cdl now

>>1604467
roommate is a baker, 2am wake up for 3am start.

>>1609306
Aluminum welding will get you a $100k aerospace job fabricating parts for spacex

>>1627041
Haven’t had any luck even though there’s “so much work coming “. I call every monday and all I get is “we’re good on guys, call next week “. Probably going to have to take nursing anons advice.

I have a cushy state job but i do blacksmithing and redwork as a side-gig. Some jobs are too big and some orders too tedious for me to easily handle by myself, how would i go about hiring or offering an apprenticeship? I'd be willing to teach someone with no experience.

>>1619017
that lower faceguard is the most convoluted, poorly designed mechanism I've ever seen in my life.

>>1628965
>it worked

>>1614172
fleshlights go around your cock, not your hand. try harder.

I'm a plumbers apprentice with an HVAC degree. Plumbing and HVAC are pretty good trades. But I think electricians really have it beat. Those guys always impress me with their skills. Carpentry too. Plumbing is a lot harder than people give us credit for and is pretty hard on the body. Elevators are a good trade too. My dad was making 45/hr as a mechanic and he was a massive drug addict.

>>1627260
Associates in nursing is probably easier than carpentry school tbqhfamily. Only downside is that carpentry is about 100x more fun than dealing with arrogant shit patients.

>>1629050
Am in ibew which is the electricians union. Can confirm, some really good guys in the trade. Before the pay got good, many people with trade backgrounds got in. That is a famil ugh of carpenter's or plumber's will send their kid to become a sparky. I've met pipefitters families, iron workers, fine carpenters, sheet metal workers, millwrights and a whole mess of auto mechanics.

>>1629158
Nursing is a profession that has excellent scaling. .>Get your CNA in weeks
>shit work but good pay
>can got back to school for RN
>can go back to school for BSN
>can go back for Nurse Practitioner

Physical therapists and Resp techs make a killing too.

>>1629050
Carpentry sucks. It shouldn't even be considered a skilled trade because it is not paid as one. Do yourself a favor and just sell some diy palletwood bullshit on Etsy.

>>1629171
I wouldn't climb all that. Most people just associate or BS and roll. If you want a big payday and don't mind a time investment, get into med school and go cardiac. Just don't forget you're gunna send half your salary to the medical malpractice insurance company.

>>1629180
>half your salary for mmp
More like 20%, but you're still making half a mil after taxes so who really cares?