/diy/ - Do It Yourself

>>1616813
Mitutoyo

>>1616813
Mitituyo.

Harbor freight

>>1616813
You already know the answer nigger...

This >>1616907 I only had to bend mine back and forth a couple times before they would open past 3”. Still kinda rough though.

What the fuck is the proper air hose material? I was looking at these packages and the rubber and pvc hoses both had much worse grades on this little chart. Why would you ever use rubber that gets hard in the cold, marks stuff, and weighs a ton? And why would you get PVC that cracks and shit? The prices are all so similar between the different types. Do they only keep rubber around to satisfy the boomers?

>>1616813
Also TESA.

>>1616927
>What the fuck is the proper air hose material?
Depends on the application, like equipment materials in general. Rubber is more heat resistant, so it is suitable for use in welding shops or around other hot work. PVC resists weathering, particularly UV degradation, so it's suitable for use outside.

>>1616930
Swissfag here, Tesa is great stuff, but Mit digitals are just a little nicer. Not more accurate, better feel. We have 95% Mitutoyo in our shop for digital calipers and micrometers, the dial test indicators are Interapid and dial indicators mostly Compac.

whats the cheapest 0.001mm accuracy caliper you can get?
>mitutoyo
the cheapest i said

>>1616927
>>1616927
what the fuck anon I run rubber all over my shop, no fucking bullshit installing it and it will last forever in a stationary position.

>>1616813
Mitutoyo

>>1617048
>0.001mm accuracy
>the cheapest i said
It's all expensive shit at that price point you goblin Jew. If you really need that much precision the price shouldn't be the most important factor.

Probably still Mitutoyo though.

>>1617060
>>1617048
Unless you want chinkshit, in that case there's lots of them for relatively little money.

>>1616813
Who makes the best oxy-acetylene torch kit, I don't want that shit to explode on my ass

>>1617048
>0.001mm

Why do you need that much accuracy?
Anyway, no digital/vernier caliper will be that accurate, even an expensive one.

>>1617073
Pretty much all torches for sale in the US are either rebranded Harris or rebranded Victor torches. Neither will explode on you, but I've found it easier to get tips for the victors

>>1616980
>>1617052
I should’ve taken pics of the other packages. The rubber and PVC hoses both had the same little circle graphics, and the Poly was rated at least as good in every spec, and way better in others. Which made me think why even sell the old school rubber if the poly is better in every way and costs about the same?

>>1617128
They sell rubber to the retarded boomers

>>1616813
Every single person on this board should own a pair or two of standard HF 6in calipers. Do not buy the slightly more expensive fractional output ones, they are physically way shittier and fraction output isnt that useful really.
>also note, identical ones are sold at other stores under different names if you dont have a harbor freight, you can tell right away by looking at them

With that said, Harbor Freight calipers are actually terrible terrible calipers.
I had to return my first pair of HF calipers because the OD jaws were ground incorrectly.
They are rough and gritty, and get bad battery life, and their repeatability is wonky sometimes.

You have to pull them apart to clean and polish them. And even after you do that, they are still pretty rough tools.
They are dirt cheap, and they are accurate enough which is why they are revered though.


IMO, get a coupon and buy the harbor freight ones at like $10, and then buy standard 6in Mitutoyos.
Use the Mitutoyos on important stuff. Use the harbor freight ones on rough dirty shitty stuff you quickly want to measure.

Ive used Browne Sharpe/Tesa , Starret, SPI, Fowler and other decent brands.
I stuck with Mitutoyos (I use normal and coolant proof ones at work).
They are really really nice calipers and worth the money for people like you wanting quality tools. With that said, still buy the beater HF ones aswell.


If you dont have a harbor freight, they sell them at Menards under Tool Shop brand, Farm and Fleet under Performance Tool, hell they even sell them on Amazon under the Neiko name.
Its pretty easy to spot them, they look identical with different names on them.

>>1616813
Omfg. My sides.

I picked up this little kit at HF and if you play with all of the demo models you'll find this one is a torquey little fucker. My only bitch so far besides not buying one sooner is that the leds when you pull the trigger only stay on for 2 seconds.

Fuck the name brands. I've got a house full of overpriced name brand shit when the tech is all the same and it's all made in China anyway. Why lay to get unwanted rape?

>>1616927
Flexzilla.

Hate to name brand shill the most expensive one but i promise you will not regret it. Diablo brand at HF is similar if you want to play with it. The "squishiest" feeling one is a poor knockoff but half price

>>1617052
I'ma run PEX

>>1617151
I bought Flexzilla, and it wasnt that expensive. It seems to be a decent hose.

>>1617151
Yeah those are hybrid. And looking at the circles, Hybrid or Poly are the only reasonable choices and the only people who buy rubber are boomers who wish Reagan was still in the White House.
>>1617130

mitutoyo

>>1616813
In case no one told you yet.

>>1617158

"supplied air hose" by 3m

nothing else comes close

>>1617576
>Rubber
You boomer.

What the hell are those? Respiratory hoses? I mean it all looks the same as regular 3/8” air hose but goddamn the pricing is stupid high. Worse than Snappy pricing.

https://www.govplanet.com/Tools?ct=35&kwtag=navbar
What are your guys thoughts? These are cheap as fuck

>>1618137
Just like every other auction, they get bid up pretty high at the last second. Or its too hard and big to move so it goes for a low price, but is a pain in the absolute dick to get it home.

>>1617128
Did you read the reply here >>1616980 ? The circles on the box do not cover every performance criterion that matters for some applications.

>>1617581

holy shit those prices are whack. maybe supplied air hose is the medical line.

either way, im not even a boomer and i would still pay it

>>1618184
But it’s on the package! It’s obviously all I care about.

That little 25’ poly line is hella better than the coiled thin hard plastic one that came with the little compressor. It’s a little stiff but nice and light and easy to work with. Perfect length for the garage. When I get a bigger compressor I’ll probably get one of the reels so I can pull the line down the driveway.

>>1618191
Yeah I think the 3M one is medical. But you already know Snap On doesn’t make those lines. I’m sure they’re made by a much more affordable brand but Snappy sticks their name on it and charges triple. There was an AvE video where he gets like 10 leaks and bulges in his Snappy air hose and it made me laugh. He would cut out one section to fix it, turn it back on, and it bulged in another spot because it was boomer rubber and sucks in the cold.

>>1617136

>Pair of Neiko calipers

Get out of my head! 6 and 12" here. They burn through about 1 battery per year for me but I wouldn't flip out if I dropped one.

Corded, battery powered, or butane soldering iron? I don't do much soldering, but it's come up occasionally and I'd like to have the right equipment.

>>1618822
Corded.

Any reason not jump on the $120 Rigid drill/impact combo deal for diy home projects?

Only the best

>>1618291

be a cold day in hell when i bought snap on air lines. i like the flexible rubber though. it may actually be goodyear brand. easy to coil up. it gets -40 here in the winter and +40 in the summer and thats the only hose worth keeping around

>>1618822

weller p1k

Nobody asked, but if you're in Australia:
Toolpro brand from supercheap.
Also sign up for a supercheap card, It costs $5 and comes with $10 credit, scan it when you buy something and if it goes on sale you get the difference back in credit. And you can spend the credit in part or in whole.
Have a long socket set and verniers from them, both great.

>>1618865
If that’s all you need, it’s not a bad deal. But I think that one is brushed with a couple smaller batteries and it’s not a hammer drill so hopefully you never need it for masonry. Other than that, solid tools, especially for that money.

The Octane drill+driver kit is expensive, but the Black Friday deal was really good. The Gen5X brushless hammer drill and impact driver with 2x 4.0Ah batteries, plus a free tool (got the Octane sawzall). I wish I knew if that deal was going to be around again because I would tell you to wait for that.

Ridgid gives you the lifetime warranty on batteries that come in the kits, but it’s only 3yrs on batteries purchased by themselves. So if you get that $120 set and later decide you want to add a saw or impact wrench or other high power/drain tool, you will likely want larger batteries. And you can pick up a 2pk of 4.0s for $99 a lot of the time, but you’re only going to get 3yrs on them. If you go for a sale on one of the more expensive sets, you will get a hammer drill instead of the basic one, plus they will be brushless, and you will probably get bigger batteries with the LSA on them. The $379 set gives you two better batteries plus pick two free tools, or you could get the $120 set plus the $180 battery-charger-free tool deal and would end up with 3 tools, 2 chargers, and 4 batteries all covered by the LSA for $300.

End rant.

>>1618141
Bought my main mill from govliq, I managed to buy it for 1300 (1100 plus 200 in taxes plus renting a truck and trailer to haul it back home). Luckily there's a machine shop across my house that has a forklift which helped remove it from the trailer. But I had to remove the bed and then roll it on rods to get it in my garage, which involves fitting it through a 28 inch door.

Don't cheap out on tools.
Buy once, Cry once.

>>1619912
Eeeeeeeh, with return policies being as liberal as they are, try and buy is pretty applicable.

Measuring tool tiers, keep in mind that there is some overlap due to budget product lines or premium product lines in some of these companies.

>top tier
Mitutoyo, TESA/Brown and Sharpe, Interapid, Etalon, Starrett, Mahr
>OK tier
Asimeto, Accusize, Pro-check, Fowler, Shars, NSK
>avoid if possible
Harbor Freight, no-name Chinese, Power Fist, Mastercraft, eBay knock-off

>>1617048
There isn't one.

>>1617048
>caliper
>0.001mm
>believes it exists
L O L

>>1616813
Starrett makes dial calipers too if you're into that

post testing

>>1616813
markforged 3d printer to print workholding for your CNC

not sure how my little ender3 is going to match up, but I'm willing to try it

btw here's what happens on some thin unsupported edges when you don't have soft jaws wide enough

>>1620057
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVaSo3ys1Tc

>>1617062
There’s actually a high end Chinese brand that was set up by the company that makes China’s molitary aircraft.
I forget the brand/s they use.
Alledgedly really nice, and high quality.

Please recommend a miter saw for building a deck and a shed, and any other home projects me or my family might run into. Budget up to 500 usd. I've been looking at the DeWalt 10in compound miter saw (DW 713).

Please recommend a miter saw for building a deck and a shed, and any other home projects me or my family might run into. Budget up to 500 usd. I've been looking at the DeWalt 10in compound miter saw (DW 713).

>>1622251
I’m not recommending it, but I’m simply saying you can get that Hercules saw for $300 and almost all of the reviews are saying that it really does stack up to $600+ DeWalt saws. Call it $350 because you probably want the replacement plan since the HF power tool warranty sucks.

I wouldn’t even consider any other tools from Hercules because they don’t seem like a steal over the well known brands, but I think they did that saw right and it may be the best bet for a 12” contractor grade saw for <$500.

It's finally time for my to buy a 3/8" cordless impact... I don't want to start any fights tho

>>1622274

Amazon has the Milwaukee Fuel 2754 for $128 right this second.

>>1622293
looks like a good deal, I double any other one at the same price level is any different at all

>>1622295
>3/8”
You have a 1/2” already, right? What brand?

>>1617048
You will need to go to surface plates + very expensive indicators / micrometers to get close to that (and that's still going to be hard. 1/10 thou is reasonable at surface plate kind of precision though)

As far as calipers, igaging is the best cheap calipers I have found. Biggest thing is they are absolute measurement instead of relitive

I'm from south america and here tools are expensive
I will go to toronto in july and I want to know were can I buy tools, specifically a 1/4 socket set and some Felo screwdrivers

Shitty ass Knipex can’t even make proper end nippers. They work ok for pulling staples though.

>>1623349
>Felo screwdrivers
Order them on Amazon when you’re there
>1/4” socket set
Not a leaf, but they have Canadian Tire with cheap ass shit. They have Home Depots in the Leafland so you can find a Husky set for cheap in store or order a Milwaukee set from their website.

I think the canucks still pay a bit more than us in the states though.

>>1620057
Markforged is shit, their prints are very bad and I would put the ender 3 above it every time.

>>1616813
mitutoyo

Got a couple hundred quid to spend on plumbing, bathroom fitting tools. Got your standard ones, looking for new fangled shit, anyone got any recomendations

>>1616907
my harbor freight calipers died within 2 weeks of using them for several hours daily. I'm sure they'd do fine as a hobby set but if you are gonna be measuring hundreds of parts every day I'd just skip em

Should I buy an impact wrench or just get a breaker bar? Its Mostly just going to be used for working on my car and maybe getting stuff off parts cars and from the junkyard. If I should get a breaker bar I’m just going to get one from harbor freight. If I should get an impact wrench, what should I get for around $200?

Is mitutoyo really the best or it's a meme? like bosch being the best tier

>>1626773
Get both. Breaker bar for spots you can’t fit the impact. And impacts just work better for certain things compared to the constant torque of a breaker bar.The 25” Pitt Pro black and red handle breaker bar is one of the best buys in that whole store and it’s only $15 on sale.

Do you have an air compressor big enough to run an impact? I’m guessing no. Any cordless impact for <$200 is going to be more of a mid-torque model. Do you own power tools already? If you have a DeWalt drill, get the DeWalt impact since you have batteries already.

Don’t have cordless tools? Consider Milwaukee because they have the best cordless 1/2” impact right now, Home Depot often gives you a free battery with the bare tool for ~$250 and you can get a charger cheap from eBay. DeWalt and Makita also have good high torque 1/2” guns but they will cost you. HF has the Earthquake on sale for $239 all the time but beware of the 90-day warranty, you might as well get the Milwaukee if you’re going to pay for the extended warranty.

Less powerful, less costly options: Ridgid and Kobalt both have mid-torque 1/2” impacts with a big battery and charger for ~$160 right now. They won’t bust loose the most stubborn rusted and seized axle nuts, but they will work on stuff that had you struggling with a breaker bar. Even less expensive, you can go corded, the Porter Cable for $80 on Amazon or the Bauer for ~$100 w/coupon (just don’t believe the breakaway numbers on the Bauer)

>>1627270
Their calipers are very good.
In fact everything they make is pretty good, but your everyday handyman is pretty much only going to use the calipers.

Its like asking if Starret is good, sure it is but you wont have a use for any of their tools.

Pro measurefag here.

Ask me anything (related to measurement).

>>1627411

which system do you prefer, sae or metric?

im sae no doubt. thousandths of an inch for shit thats gotta be precise, like pins, bushings, etc. then 64ths/32nds/16ths for everything else. whats not to like

>>1627411
How are the ultimate, most accurate measurements made? Like how are calibration-grade gauge blocks calibrated?
Laser interferometry? I feel like there's something optical that can be worked back to fundamental definitions of the meter.

>>1627419
I work for a Rolls-Royce subcontractor primarily supplying parts for Airbus so almost everything is metric and precise. Some stuff is now going to Boeing and other NA customers so that gets drawn in decimal SAE but as it's all derived from metric since the early 60s so not much of a difference to me. Nothing I do really calls for fractional units so there goes that argument in favour of SAE. Prior to that I worked in fiber transceiver engineering which called for single micron tolerances.

Fair to say my professional life is strongly biased toward metric but like most Brits I still drink pints, drive miles and measure my knob in feet.

>>1627426
Yes definitely interferometry. I used to accurately profile the lensing surface of 8 micron diameter single-mode fiber using a similar technique.

Pic related, from Mitutoyo's Metrology Handbook probably explains it better and faster than I could.

>>1627431
neat. thanks

Got a HOLEX caliper at home. They are cheap and very well made. Used alot of brands since i am a machinist.

>>1627521
Gotta admit I haven't used Holex ones, though we have a set of their Grade 2 slips at work and they're fine.

The thing I like about the Mitutoyo ones are the top quality machining finish and they have great response, no lag or stuttering like a lot of other brands I've tried. Good battery life too.

My job involves calibrating a couple of dozen 500-196 every month and very rarely am forced to withdraw a pair unless it's been heinously abused or left in a running machine. They're simply good dependable calipers, plain and simple.

>>1626773
Mechanic here, you really should have both, but a 1/2 inch impact will do for almost everything. Get a 3/8 too when you can afford it.
Why? Because an impact gun works differently from just torque. The hammering action of it helps to break up corrosion. What it won't do, but a breaker bar will, can be figured out with different tools you might have already.
For example, put a pipe on the end of your ratchet for extra leverage. Not good for the ratchet but in a pinch it can be done.
As for what an impact does with its vibrations knocking out rust, you might be smarter than me but I can't think of any way to do that even in a pinch.

I'd recommend something aircat but I can't remember what I paid for it. Other than that, Google Ingersoll rand thunder gun. Been made for years and I've got 2 old as fuck ones at home still going.
If there's an aircat in your price range though, they're even selling em on the snap on truck, go to Amazon though.

>>1627870

Have you tried pic-related? I have one, in addition to my 1/2" gun, and the butterfly is great for tight places and is pretty strong considering its size.

>>1627877
Honestly no and I've got access to one. I've never really needed to, although I'm sure you're right. Thing is that I work with hand tools when I can most of the time. Generally the impact comes out for wheels, or when I've got a bear of a job where corrosion is really a problem. Ford 5.4s where the spark plugs break in the head for example brings out the 3/8. Sometimes they break anyway. Or if it's something I'm welding nuts to like ford's 302s water pump bolts. Otherwise, they honestly stay in their drawer collecting dust.
I know I should use shit more, but I was taught how to wrench by dad, and dad didn't want me breaking things so hand tools were all he gave me, and the style stuck.

>>1627904
Is the impact more effective at not breaking spark plugs when they’re stuck in an aluminum head?

>>1627870

tapping on the end of your breaker bar with weight on it does pretty well the exact same thing as an impact does

Get an "absolute" one I highly recommend. iGaging IP54 is 40 bucks on Amazon and it seems great (my 3rd calipers, by far the best, but never owned a expensive ones. I use for machining and 3d modeling)

Fell for the meme

>>1627941
I've had better luck with it on those 5.4s specifically. Couldn't say in general. They will still break though so I'd highly recommend having that extractor for it
>>1628141
I really doubt it as it won't vibrate it the same, even so I've whacked at stuff with an impact for very long periods of time before they'd start to move, can't imagine how man wacks on a bar it would equate to but a not practical number I'm sure.

>>1628316

an impact works exactly the same way. the weights slam towards the nut youre loosing. they dont impact in the direction of rotation. they also weigh a fraction of the weight of a 3lb hammer. sure they hit more, but they have a lot less force per hit than a constant whacking with a sizable hammer.

try it, you'll be surprised how well it works

>>1616927
RUBBER.

>>1616927
rubber if stationary, one of the composite ones if you have to carry it around because rubber is heavy

rubber hoses are just plain nice to install in a shop, more flexible than black pipe bullshit or that aluminum fast pipe kits

>>1617150
>Fuck the name brands.
This is the most redneck thing I've read this year. If you need a set to keep knocking around your desk/bench, perhaps this is a good call, but if you want precise, repeatable, accurate measurements, just Mitutoyo.

>>1623922
Bullshit it's a $4k printer you can get service from the fucking company if the prints are shit. Plus it puts strips of fucking glass fiber into the prints for reinforcement.

>>1620225
>the company that makes China’s molitary aircraft.
Xerox?

>>1628734
I went to the fucking fabtech show last year and my ender 3 prints were smoother, better quality, and didn't cost 4k. I can use any type of material in my printer including nylon with glass.

Go be a shill elsewhere.

What about Empire for measuring stuff? I know it’s not Starrett, but is it a reasonable choice for the weekend warrior?

>>1628809
Yep good shit

>>1628714
I know how they work but trying to get an impact all the way through a bar into the nut just doesn't sound like it should be all that effective in creating a good vibration. Kinda like how an extension will weaken the gun. I guess it's worth a shot though

>>1628714
>the weights slam towards the nut youre loosing. they dont impact in the direction of rotation

where does nonsense like this come from. Jump to 2:43 and claim that the vast majority of the impact is NOT in the direction of rotation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=158&v=f0gSJa3L_7c

>>1629011
>. Kinda like how an extension will weaken the gun.

A big pile of adapters and extensions weaken the impact partly due to play and partly due to flex. Imagine hammering a nail with a spring on the head of your hammer. If you've ever tried to use an impact on a long bolt sometimes it does nothing because the elasticity of the bolt absorbs the impact. Like pic related; if they are froze you get the saw or torch out and cut the bolt because an impact does nothing.

>>1629018
Damn I knew about extensions and joints but I never even thought about this. Now I know to grab the sawzall before wasting a whole can of PB.

Somewhat related, I wonder how altitude effects air compressors and impacts. Like does the compressor take longer to fill in Denver? Or is it all the same because the pressure of the tank is relative to the lower pressure outside?

Also kinda related, had the roadside tire guy helping me out at work a couple weeks ago, big gas power compressor with fat air lines and 1” Ingersoll ugga dugga was struggling with one of the lugs. After half a can of PB, we’re about to call the wrecker. One last shot, he gives it a good squirt of air tool oil and finally the thing spins off in a cloud of rust. That nut must have been like 1000F.

>>1629018
Again I know how they work.

I’m a very young fire alarm tech, and I can not eat for a while to get the BEST tool for the job. What multimeter will make it so my only limit in diagnosing problems is my own stupidity?

>>1629628
Fluke 87V

>>1627411
have you taken measurements of your penis with micrometer?

>>1629692
I did. 2.8 micrometers in length, 0.7 in width.

>>1627411

noob here. what are the biggest/most common precise measurement mistakes?

Anyone have recommendations for a good (small) tool pouch/bag? I bought one of those AWP elechicken pouches from Lowes but the bottom is already almost about to tear. I'm just a 2nd year apprentice sparky so I dont carry much (11 in 1, 3 pairs of channel locks, strippers, linemans pliers, dikes, torpedo level).

>>1629848
How big are you trying to go? I refuse to pay $40 for a couple canvas pouches stamped with “Klein” or “Milwaukee” and I found these Husky pouches at Home Depot. I think they’re called “Document Pouches” and they are a lot wider than the Klein bags and are made to stand up when they’re full of stuff. I bought a bunch of them for random crap, especially when it’s a little more bulky so the zipper on the Klein pouch would struggle to close.

>>1629867
I meant more like something I can put on a tool belt

>>1629873
Are there any Klein options? You’re a sparky so it’s the only logical choice. The Klein stuff is expensive but everybody who uses their backpacks and stuff seems to love it.