/diy/ - Do It Yourself

I think one of the SOG multi tools might be a better option in the long run.

lookin at getting a multi tool i can put on a keyring with my keys. not a tiny toy or a proper big multi tool, know anything good thats inbetween?

>>160054
I would go SOG too.

Leatherman is anti-gun. =(

The Charge TTX.

>>160057

Leatherman Squirt PS4

I went for a Wave because it has a file.

But yeah OP. I mostly agree.

Had a gerber multitool that lasted a mere 3 months of farm carrying.

My Leatherman Wave has lasted me well over a year now with no signs of rapeage.

I have a old leatherman from...97 or so that took alot of abuse, bought a wave awhile back.

It's nice, pliers are decent too which is unusual.

surge is my favourite. have'nt gotten enough saved for one yet though. i am using the original super tool and skeeletool cx. waiting for the new oht.

The oxide finish is bullshit. If you go to the store, you can see it's already rubbing off INSIDE the boxes, just from shipping. Sure it looks cool in the promo shots but it's gonna look shitty after a while when it all wears off in different spots.Just get the regular version, it makes no difference to the functionality..

>>160725
I myself like regular knives/multi-tools without anything on them. However some people like it. If it doesn't cost more, and it is aesthetically pleasing to the owner, then they should have it. I just think once the coating starts to come off it looks funny.

>>160725
...unless of course you're leet military operator and need black multitool for night-time spec-ops, in which case the shiny bits where the coating has rubbed off will only give you away to the towelies 50% of the time.

>>160051
i love my surge but id say get the supertool 300 if you intend on using the wire cutters a lot because i dulled the fuck out of the ones on my surge trying to cut a ramset nail.

>Buy Leatherman Freestyle CX as a present from me to me for Christmas
>Leave on desk
>Come home to find top of the blade broken off
>The fuck?
>Brother used it to pry out a rubber seal on his car, snapping it.
>Rage ensues

I'm still pissed about it.

>>160772
I should add that the bit snapped off is tiny, but now the blade has no point. I know I can grind it back to make a new one, but it's a tiny blade as it is, and I'd probably fuck it up.

>>160054
>>160075

Was in the Army, my shop LT has a purchase catalog and says Leatherman's for all. And there was much rejoicing. Week later the shipmen arrives, SOGs. MFW, pic related. It was those ones with the sprocket-type hinge that "give you more power" but are shit for larger things cause you have to open them hella wide. Blades had only a single bevel so cut like shit, can opener/screw divers broke in a month, file was worthless and the matte black finish wore off really quickly. I returned it after about 2 months, LT said "Keep it, its off the books." Left it with him anyway. 6 months later got an official issue multi-tool with similar features, Gerber brand, over 9 thousand times better than the SOG. Still worse that a comparable Leatherman but not by much. Personally I use a Swisstool.

Let me explain - no, it will take too long. Let me sum up.

God Tier - Leatherman
Epic Tier - Victorinox
Good Tier - Gerber
Meh Tier - Everything else
Suck Tier - A fucking rock.
Shit Tier - SOG

>>God Tier - Leatherman
>>Epic Tier - Victorinox
>>Good Tier - Gerber
>>Meh Tier - Everything else
>>Suck Tier - A fucking rock.
>>Shit Tier - SOG
Fuckin' hilarious

I've had my Swiss Army Knife for 10 years now and it hasn't let me down. I don't understand how blades on Leatherman's and Gerber's break off so easily.

>>160859

Its a different (and lesser IMO) grade of steel.

>>160828

Had an excellent victoronix, loved it. Was perfect. Until I broke off one side of the pliers. I was devastated and absolutely incredulous. If I had to go by experience, i'd put victoronix lower than my gut tells me it should be. Gerber makes excellent multitools, but I just feel like victoronix should be better, but alas, breaking off one side of the pliers doing standard shit is unacceptable.

>>160950

tl;dr:
>>God Tier - Leatherman
>>Epic Tier - Gerber
>>Good Tier - Victoronix
>>Meh Tier - Everything else
>>Suck Tier - A fucking rock.
>>Shit Tier - SOG

>>160952

I was basing my earlier post on my experience. In the Army I broke many a Gerber but for the price, about $30, it was good. It also helped that you could find them all over the place cause soldiers kept losing them. I had 3 at one point. My $50 Swisstool never let me down though. I also dislike the fit and finish of those Gerbers. The sliding pliers and the need to open them to fish out other tools never sat well with me. I liked the fold out design of Leatherman and Victorinox better, it jest feels stronger. I also found many Gerbers abandoned by soldiers where the locking clip broke off and the pliers became useless. Not an issue with the other design.

>>160962

I've since stopped even bothering with multitools. This workhorse is a godsend, and anything additional I need I make sure I have the proper tools with me, or my godly Kershaw knife when camping. I literally never let this box cutter leave my side (i am a residential general contractor).

Anymore when I go out into the wilderness, I just take this random multitool that came with my buddy's Jeep; hasn't let me down yet.

>>161078
I hate those things. Closing them up is harder than it should be.

Give me a standard box cutter with a retractable blade any day.

>>161081

Hate retractable blades. Can't count on them not to retract in the middle if doing something. Same thing with those foldable box cutters like my model, but they have the push-button blade release... can't begin to tell you the times I sent a blade flying across the room.

>>160075

>Leatherman is anti-gun. =(

I bet you still believe in Santa Claus, too.

>>160075

And you only support companies that agree with you politically 100%?

Sounds painstaking.

Got to agree....If you know someone does not support your views and there is another company out there that makes a product that is just as good, then by all means, buy from the company that you agree with. Make a statement with your dollars.

Protip: No one gives a fuck about your political views, especially not manufacturing corporations.
>did this cow support my political agenda?NO???well take back this goddamn burger.

Well quite honestly I think the Super Tool 300 is Leatherman's best.

I carried a Blast for a few years (and still miss that mini driver) but these days when I do carry a multi its a SOG Pocket Power Plier I customized. I took out the combo blade and added in a SE blade and a Robertson driver. Compliments my PE blade Ka-Bar Dozier nicely.

There is only one good sliding utility knife and thats the Lutz 82. My favorite utility knife folders are the Milwaukee Fastback and the DeWalt Folding Retractable model.

>>160051
I think the definition of "best" multi-tool depends on what you want to use it for.

For example, if you use the blades a lot, an outward-opening design like the surge would be better than e.g. the Super Tool 300.
But if you have to cut a lot of wires, go with >>160771. Leatherman will release some interesting new multi tools soon, though, so you may also take a look at them since they also have exchangeable wire cutters.
The blades are made of OK-grade steel, if you want something better, you will have to choose something from the Charge line. However, it seems like the handles are a little bit fatter near the plier in the Charge, so the Surge would be better suited for tight spaces.

About the black oxide: I have read somewhere that it is not as rust resistant as stainless steel because black oxide is porous. Thus, you will have to treat that thing with oil.
Wear is quite a personal thing, I guess. Some prefer worn stainless steel, but I think worn black oxide looks better. And you won't get annoying light reflections when working in bright light.

I want this so badly... I've been creaming over it for years now

>>161217
Idiots like you are the reason that capitalism will never work properly.

>>161105
Not really. All of a company's contributions are widely available.

I don't buy Ruger because of Bill Ruger's anti-civilian firearms ownership philosophy.

>>160075
SOG's are uncomfortable, and aren't designed as
well as a letherman
>>160054
Leatherman is not anti-gun,
They have the MUT for a reason, with firearm
dis-assembly punch.

OP it depends if you are looking for extra attachments
or if you are looking for a tool with the most leverage
I have a surge and love it, going to get the bit kit soon.

>>161755
Trying to sell military oriented products does not make one pro-gun. It just makes you a contract-whore.

Tim Leatherman regularly donates time and money towards supporting anti-gun/anti-hunting politicians.

>>161768
as an European I really don't quite understand why many Americans view owning guns as some sort of fundamental right.
Could anyone explain it briefly? Is it because of the history of settling in potentially dangerous areas that owning a self-defense weapon got ingrained into cultural memory?

I mean even without liberal firearm laws violent crimes happen in Europe (just look at all the pointless deaths by some violent youths that attack random people in the subways that shook Germany in the last years), so the argument of self-defense is rather moot in this case?
I am arguing under the assumption that the perpetrator would have a firearm in the US in this case.
And while the example above is an extreme, the streets here are normally mostly quite safe even without being armed.

Nothing against owning guns, I am just curious.

>>162070
Back when the constitution was written the defense of the country was dependent on state militias. It required citizens being able to access and own guns for the militias to be able to form and protect themselves.

>>162070
ah, I really suck at explaining my thoughts.

TL;DR:
Noguns -> other weapons will be used to commit crimes -> this same sort of weapons can be used to defend oneself -> shifting the problem to another context (-> ban everything, lol)

>>162076
thanks, man
But nowadays this dependence on guns in self-protection is not absolutely necessary anymore, is it? So it is more a cultural heritage, as in why some still practice journeyman years with the traditional costume, stick and all?
That I can sort of understand, why some would like to keep certain (although maybe anachronistic) aspects of their culture.

A gun is a tool, a knife is a tool, an axe is a tool, a car is a tool. Can they also be weapons? Yes, but that is a result of intent, not the tool itself. Any of these things can be used to kill someone and, while some may be more efficient at it than others, none can harm a soul without a person controlling them. I am less concerned with restricting the type of tool a person can get their hands on and more concerned with restricting the type of person that can get their hands on such tools. Cars kill more people in the U.S. than guns do, by a lot. Many of them are preventable deaths such as repeat offense drunk drivers. So should we ban certain cars? Too many drunk drivers are driving Ford 150s, so they are now restricted and you have to have a special license that requires a bunch of paperwork to drive them. Yeah, that will fly. Yet thats what we do with guns. Some types of guns can't be bought by anyone, anywhere yet Arizona lets a freaking psycho buy a handgun without so much as a second look and he shoots up a grocery store. This isn't a gun problem, its a people problem.

Captcha: urgazi of poetry

>>162118
is a tool

>>162118

Haha, yeah. You know whats funny shit? The day of the shooting a Walmart clerk wouldnt let him buy ammo cause he thought looking like a wacko yet a gun store sold him a glock like a month before the shooting without so much as a second look. When a chump working at Walmart is a better judge of character then the guy running the gun store you got a problem.

dear
>>162118
you are missing the fact that the only purpose of a gun is killing things.
How come you bombed iraq for the nuclear weapons then? they weren't tools?

>>162122

Sometimes things need killing, I only take up issue with that when that thing is a person that has done no harm. Want to use a gun for hunting? Sport shooting? Home defense? Collecting? I have no problem with that as long as you're a stable individual that knows what they are doing. When you want to kill someone else without legitimate cause then I have a problem.

Also, I was totally against the invasion of Iraq. We did not have the support of the international community, our intelligence was crap and we had no clear indication that we were in any direct danger (unlike with Afghanistan, where we had known for years that Bin Laden was out for blood). That said, I still served my country and spent a year over in that shithole "defending our freedom from terrorism." Plenty of good people, innocent or not, get killed on both sides over there but i can;t tell you if anyone involved is any better for it. What I can tell you is it wasn't the fault of guns.

>>162122

So are bows, ban them? So are mouse traps, ban them? So is gopher poison, ban it? So is bug stray, ban it? There are many things out there who's soul purpose is to end life. Many of these same things can be used to end a human life. The point is, its not the tool that is the problem, it is the person. Banning something because it is dangerous does not solve the problem of the PERSON using it. Gun violence is a symptom of a human problem. Ban guns and it will simply come out as some other kind of violence. Knives, poison, vehicles. Humans are ingenious things and they love to find more and better ways to kill each other. Blocking one path just means they will take another. Better to stop the person from trying to take any path towards death.

Sorry, OP. My question about gun culture totally derailed your thread.

Back to topic: If you have some kind of store nearby that sells multi-tools, how about going there and trying them out?
I tend to think that no matter how good technical specifications are, if you cannot get used to a tool (e.g. uncomfortable / a hassle to operate etc), it is not of much use.
So try them out and read some Amazon reviews. They sometimes reveal QC problems and other issues.

>>162127 Essentially, that is what I am thinking. However, I would still ban weapons that are designed for warfare (e.g. automatic rifles, destructive devices etc) from public use because they obviously do not belong in the hands of the general public. And as I said before, weapon bans just shift the problem to other categories. Besides, malicious people will still get their hands on firearms if they want to.
I don't see the need for people to EDC firearms, but if they want to, good. Fine with me. Just don't whip them out and stuff.
However pacifistic I am (not even able to kill insects, lol), I do not mind guns and would also try target shooting if I had the chance.

>>162122 What about sporting guns? Or using firearms for target shooting?

>>162130
derp cannot into greentext / post linking

>>162130

Assault rifles kill less people in America then any of the other types of firearms. Handguns are the number one killers by far. Rifles and shotguns are also quite far back on that list. Also, what makes an assault rifle an assault rifle? Generally its a gun that fires a medium size rifle round (30 cal or less) and has some or all of these features: a flash suppressor, bayonette lug (lol, gunknife), pistol grip/folding stock or a large removable magazine. So an AR-15 with these features is an assault rifle but one without them is not. It fires the same bullet with the same accuracy at the same rate of fire. The only difference is it can't hold as many rounds, is easier to see the flash and you can't strap a knife to it. Oddly, being semi or full auto does not an assault rifle make. Also, old school battle rifles (M-14, Garand, etc) are considered on par with hunting rifles and are not covered under assault rifles. Just an FYI.

>>162138
But I was not specifically talking about assault rifles?
I just mean that automatic and destructive weapons generally should be controlled much more strictly than non-automatic ones.
For example: Someone tries to assault you (with a deadly weapon). You pull a non-automatic weapon and shoot / deter him.
Now if you had an automatic weapon, the chance to hit innocent bystanders is much higher since with recoil and adrenaline you would not be able to control such a weapon as reliably as say, a semi-automatic pistol.
The same goes with destructive devices that have much higher destructive capabilities. It would just be overkill for self-defense.
Not saying that no one should ever handle those things, but these weapons should not be used by the general public for obvious reasons. (Not considering shooting ranges and so on here, btw. These are an entirely different matter and I have absolutely no problem with people using whatever they like there as long as the weapon stays at the shooting range.)

Lets talk about something more important: people who EDC knives like this with no good reason.

>>162197

>>162155


gb2/k/ Fudd

>>160828

C'mon, SOG tools aren't THAT bad.

The compound leverage is a SIMPLE, yet very effective design. Sure, you might have to open the handles a little more than your standard pivot multi-tool, but it also allows the jaws to be opened even wider. The design isn't as finnicky as Gerber's shitty sliding mechanisms/button sets which is always prone to failure, and as much as I love Leatherman - their Wave, Charge, and Surge series have breaking points on the outside of the body - the pivot bend where it meets the liner-lock (which can also snap too, but thankfully they have awesome no-frills warranty)

They even encourage you to disassemble the tool for cleaning and swapping/custom parts available on their site (I know you can disassemble a Leatherman with proper tools, but god forbid trying that on a SwissTool)

>>162083
The purpose, is to defend against tyranny. Hard to defend yourself from a tyrannical government when they have all the guns. The problem of crime has nothing to do with guns, as shown by a disparity of data and gun laws. California has some of the most restrictive laws in the nation, and still has a top 10 crime rate. Vermont has the least restrictive gun laws in the nation (You can open carry at age 16, concealed carry at age 18. No permit/license required) and ranks in at 49th place.

does anyone make a multi tool with a channel lock type plier thing on it? Somebody should do that.

>>160088

I have the Charge TTi, but yeah, any Charge model is the creme de la creme of multi-tools.

>>162232
Not OP, but the problem with the SOGs is that they are not readily available in Germany (just discovered that they are available through Amazon UK, though). So if anything went wrong, you would not have to send it all the way back to the US probably. Whereas Leatherman is widely available, so in case of a defect, I could just go to the store I bought it from (plus, actually seeing the tool before purchase also reduces the chance of lemons).

I like their compound leverage and customisability, though. Btw. have read that their Phillips screwdriver was of bad quality and broke in a lot of instances. Can anyone confirm that?

>>162253
This sounds logical. If my government turned against its own people, I would have no means to defend myself against it. Then again, a lot of regulations are in place to make such a thing unlikely to happen. And if that actually happened, there would be signs like political tensions beforehand.

>>162253
>California has some of the most restrictive laws in the nation, and still has a top 10 crime rate.

You know, if they abolished all laws, there'd be no more crime.

I've got a Brüder Mannesmann that I got from my father. It might not be as versatile as a Leatherman, but it makes up for it in style. I love the wooden handle on it.

>>160828
Probably got issued the economy model. Every brand has one, yes even gerber (ESPECIALLY GERBER) and leatherman

and they're all pretty shitty, gerber especially

leatherman wave isn't bad either

it's nearly identical