/diy/ - Do It Yourself

stop starting these threads you brain-damaged faggot

>>1578576
Fuck off

>>1578576
if the siding isnt right plywood would do the same thing you lifeless goat shlogging faggot
build your house out of cinder blocks and we cab watch it crack you lifeless ground sloth

>>1578578
>>1578588
Butthurt burgers conned into paying small fortunes for homes built using the same construction materials as a backyard doghouse.

>>1578576
>Why is Oriented Strand Board (OSB) a legal building material in the US?

because goodolboiiis named Chip Lee and Billy Bob + Jews run enitre McConstruction

>>1578578
>>1578588
>>1578592
look amerifriends this OSB construction is just bad, that is all

>>1578576
>Wood is bad enough

Im a Humble croatian red aerated terracota brick salesmen and I strongly disagree with this, wood is God-tier, but calling OSB wood is an insult, OSB = glue basically

>>1578854
>https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/newer-homes-can-burn-8-times-faster-than-older-homes
>Underwriters laboratories, UL, an independent testing company, says it has discovered that these OSB beams burn 800 percent or eight times faster than solid wood beams, which were used to build older homes.
How is this shit legal?

>>1578576
Because this is a free market and the customers will determine the fate of any given product by purchasing it or not.
we dont live by your socialist "committee of sheathing materials" commie dogshit policies, ok?
Why the fuck are you so overwhelmingly obsessed with US markets?
Worry about the shit quality of life you and your cave golem people endure in your superior stone cave dwellings.
Im going to ask you nicely to stop calling it an American problem and instead direct your shit flinging toward the manufacturers of these products you hate soo much so I dont have to fly to your garbage nation, enter your cave and go on a sex rampage with the female family members of your household.

>>1578889
>OSB beams burn 800 percent or eight times faster than solid wood beams

>How is this shit legal?

Its a bizzaro world, that is why

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5wcwy_njB4

Been awhile since there's been another of these obsessed threads.

>>1578857
Is that a metal roof? What style is that?

>>1578943
yes, its a metal roof, the style of the house is swiss challet, they are now selling for 3-5 million euros

>>1578941
>cant go 3 min without thinking about them

correct, actually

>>1578949
Since you seem to be informed on the matter, I hope you don't mind me asking a bit more. What do they coat the wood with to keep it from fading? I've been using teak oil but I feel like there's something historical I could be using. And generally, what kinds of woods are used? I'd imagine they share many traits with fachwerk woods, yes?

Can someone tell me whats wrong with OSB -> house wrap or tar paper -> 3/4th or 1 inch rigid insulation -> siding with air gap

seems like this combined with a decent size overhang should be good. I have never built a home though but have been doing a lot of research for a future build

>>1578952
>What do they coat the wood with to keep it from fading?

I dont think they used anything on those chalets older than 100 years (pic rel is 150yo I think), watch this youll find some answers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrI4ykDSjiQ

>>1578954
A light breeze will knock your house over and any kind of flooding or water damage will absolutely destroy everything. You will forever be shackled to lightweight roofing and will never know the joys of slate or tile.

>>1578956
Thank you, Cave Johnson

>>1578958
I do not live in an area where flooding or wind is an issue and I plan on using metal roofing which seems better than slate/tile anyway

>>1578960
>I plan on using metal roofing which seems better than slate/tile anyway
Maybe if you hate aesthetics

>>1578959
>Cave Johnson

who dat?

also
> teak oil

this is a good option in my book, but I have no idea what they were treated with

>>1578576
This.
Steel profiles (beams), fiber cement siding are the best thing available now.
>Doesn't burn
>Can't get mold, since there aren't much pores
>9.0M earthquakes aren't the issue
>Doesn't need circular saw, simple tin snips would do
>Easy to work with it. Beams (thick ones) are straight. Literally a meccano house.
>Cheap

Yes, sure, filled concrete walls or bricks are better, but there is a problem. Bricks don't like quakes, and concrete requires special skills.
Also, imagine wiring this stuff (if you forgot to put conduits)...

>>1578965
False. Timber framing with stone or brick veneer will remain the best for a long time.

>>1578966
In non-seismic termite-free zone - maybe.
In seismic -nonono, steel has more flexibility before breaking.
Anyway, why make brick veneer, when it is literally 3/4 of work required for true brick house?

>>1578964
>Cave Johnson

Portal 2 reference

>>1578576
OSB also off-gasses formaldehyde
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqYQIdPJ2zM

>>1578889
Jet fuels can't melt OSB beams

>>1578956
>MOON WOOD
my house is full of moon wood
Pic related, the wood is (mostly) perfectly intact while the foundation is crumbling beneath it.
One of my many to do list items for when the ground thaws.

>>1579104
But Jet fuel can burn them

>>1578923
9 x faster you nigger

>>1578576
I don't know much about the US but why the hell are most houses there wood anyways?
Wood is usually a bad choice because it degrades over time easily, especially in areas with high moisture.
If you consider the fact that some areas of the US also see hurricanes and tornadoes it really makes me wonder what the fuck are the construction workers thinking.

>>1579263
>If you consider the fact that some areas of the US also see hurricanes and tornadoes it really makes me wonder what the fuck are the construction workers thinking.

Hurricanes and Tornadoes are quite literally the reason why houses are made out of wood. And severe straight line winds.

Bend dont break.
Wood is the better option until you get into the heavily reinforced concrete buildings which isnt really a good option for houses.

>>1579268
>>1579263
>>If you consider the fact that some areas of the US also see hurricanes and tornadoes it really makes me wonder what the fuck are the construction workers thinking.

>Hurricanes and Tornadoes are quite literally the reason why houses are made out of wood. And severe straight line winds.

>Bend dont break.
>Wood is the better option

Yeah, that had me thinking. What if you replaced that way stiff OSB sheathing with something that has a bit more give, say, like cardboard. You know, for that tornado safety.

>until you get into the heavily reinforced concrete buildings which isnt really a good option for houses.

It actually is. concrete is cheap, many companies that do concrete work have the necessary heavy gage steel preforms around for casting for quick rent, and orderning concrete from a concrete plant is quick easy and surprisingly cheap.
A ton of concrete runs you mere 200 bucks.

Sure, nobody is doing it, but there aren't really many reasons against it. If you live in a tornado area and actually care for your family and your belongings, totally valid option. Order today, and these half inch steel window shutters with decorative wood covers are free!

>>1579271
>but there aren't really many reasons against it.

Except you know, having to live in a reinforced concrete building that you cannot retrofit or repair easily.
Also stating that raw concrete is cheap doesnt mean that construction with it is cheaper at all.

>>1579273
>>1579271
>>but there aren't really many reasons against it.

>Except you know, having to live in a reinforced concrete building that you cannot retrofit

Define retrofit.

>or repair easily.

What repairs. If it is well done, you won't need to repair it constantly as with the 2 by 4 OSB crap. It's concrete.

Inb4 cracked fcundation meme

>Also stating that raw concrete is cheap doesnt mean that construction with it is cheaper at all.

I know thinking for yourself and figuring out shit isn't en vouge on this board, but i am still not used to it. Pardon me.

If you build a typical cardboard house, then you need to frame it. Framing it takes a couple of days, even with 2 people. Lots of cuts to be made, lots of nails to nail in.

In the same couple of days, you can easily set up concrete forms, even if you do it with massive rented steel plates. If you go with modern foam blocks, even a girl can do it in a day without breaking in sweat because shit weighs nothing.
Then you order a concrete truck and have it poured. Not much work. On a cardboard house you now need sheathing on the outside. I don't see how it is magically less work.
Insulation is the same for both, if you drywall it (which you HAVE TO for cardboard, but don't NEED TO for concrete) same shit really.

Plumbing, electrical, etc, is actually less work in concrete. You simply put some foam cores where you don't want concrete, and they MAGICALLY form the empty spaces for your installations. You can do channels or empty pipes for cable pulling easily. On studs you need to drill 9001 holes, so it's actually more work.

So, considering RAW MATERIAL COST and THINKING ABOUT IT LOGICALLY i can't see how the difference SHOULD be vast. If you google quickly, you find meme websites telling people "oh no no, it is expensive" which is fudd tier memes.

If you have ACTUAL real numbers, hit me up. If not, shut the fuck up.

>>1579277
So you googled it and found nothing but "memes" even though "logically" it should be cheaper.

"Logically" you would think that the cold blooded housing developers who will throw children under a bus would try to save themselves a couple dimes would do it.

I wonder why its not a thing? I guess you are right and everyone else is wrong!

>>1579278

So everyone building a house, ever, is a developer. Nobody builds a house for himself in the US?

You're mentally challenged.

>>1579281
>Nobody builds a house for himself in the US?

Sure you can, but then do you want to actually live in a fucking concrete house?

God I wish we had mods. This thread gets remade 5 minutes after it falls off the board, every goddamn time, and it's always the same 5 faggots.

>>1579345
>God I wish we had mods. This thread gets remade 5 minutes after it falls off the board, every goddamn time, and it's always the same 5 faggots.
Let me guess, you work in the (((OSB))) industry, don't you?
You don't want people learning the truth about your shitty product.
You want them to die in homes that burn 800% times faster and constantly off-gas cancer chemicals like formaldehyde.
God I wish I had an oven for you, (((OSB merchant))).

>>1579351
No, I'm a gunsmith.
But every time you or your buddy remakes this pointless fucking thread, another thread dies.
OSB is shitty, yes. Remaking a thread every three goddamn days on a Botswanian papier mache forum isn't going to change anything. Everyone here is either under 25 or over 50 and has literally zero pull in any industry.

>>1579290
Yea, why not?
Concrete outside walls and drywall on thin metal framing inside.

>>1579353
>reee my slow board has a thread on a supremely common US building material!

Fuck off retarded nigger

>>1579263
I’ve posted the explanation many times but Europeans don’t understand how mortgages or real estate appreciation works.

>>1579411
>Euros dont know about muh waste and non lasting construction practices

>>1579411
>I’ve posted the explanation many times but Europeans don’t understand how mortgages or real estate appreciation works.
Europe has a higher ownership rate than America, they understand just fine how mortgages work.

>>1579137
>Pic related, the wood is (mostly) perfectly intact while the foundation is crumbling beneath it.

that is pretty solid timber, have you used cements with those stones by any chance? joke is on you if you did

>>1578965
>Bricks don't like quakes, and concrete requires special skills

only in high rise, drunker peasants here do RC beams with no problems, its not complex if you do a 2 story house, doing bridges and scyscrapers is another thing.

>>1578966
>Timber framing with stone or brick veneer will remain the best for a long time.

to heavy and to hard for timber, with timber frame you usually use adobe

>>1579263
>what the fuck are the construction workers thinking.

they arent, but proper wood builds regularlly last 400 years, that is PROPER wood, not this (((OSB))) crap

>>1579415
>ownership
You don't own it until you have paid for it.

>>1579420
>only in high rise, drunker peasants here do RC beams with no problems, its not complex if you do a 2 story house.
I just realized, that you pour foundation too, so why not to pour walls etc?
Also I found out that in seismic countries they add rebars in bricks.

But yeah OSB sucks.

>>1578592
No, actually it doesn't. OSB seems to act like a sponge and holds water. I wound up doing major surgery on an outside wall because the OSB held water and kept some wall studs wet...

Arab Canadian here.

And I can't understand why Canada or the US still uses OSB. It's shit; they leave the OSB boards to soak in the rain on construction sites without even wrapping them, then the houses get all moldy by the time they're fully built. And when they burn, they burn even better than plywood or even no-composite wood 2x4 because of the amount of glue they use to hold that shit together.

And if it can't withstand an airplane flying into it without collapsing, I'd say it's a shittily built structure (like every American house & the World Trade Center).

>>1578576
OSB isn't the problem.
All wood rots when damp.
If you think america is the only place that allows use of OSB in buildings you are wrong
not only is OSB used for cladding in europe, it's used structurally.

Thats right, i said structurally.

Instead of timber joists you can buy an "I-beam" made of two pieces of timber making up the flanges like a traditional steel i beam where the web is OSB.

The problem shown in all these threads is one of incorrect installation, either the boards are installed damp or there is no damp course or there is incorrectly installed breather membrane or insufficient cavity ventilation.
OSB installed correctly and with proper maintenance of waterproofing protection that is clearly required for all timber frame building (yes even pressure treated, OSB is available preservative treated with water resistant glues) will outlive every shitposter on this board.

there are plenty of reasons to hate americans, houses is certainly one of them, construction techniques absolutely, but specifically using OSB is not.

>>1579502
Plywood also retains water. Actually, all wood retains water, except that their water retention happens to varying degrees... OSB absorbs wood better, but plywood also absorbs water just as bad and it's no excuse to not flash your siding properly.

>>1579502
What the other guy said. if you needed marine grade osb well then that's on you to use it.

This shit is written on the damn surface of the product if it's of any useable quality for building.

>>1578889
who the fuck uses osb boards as "support beams"

>>1579547
>This shit is written on the damn surface of the product if it's of any useable quality for building.
Just because it's stamped on it, it doesn't make it a quality product to use for anything, honestly.

>>1579523

Plywood is much more vapor permeable than OSB, potentially almost 10 times more. Meaning it dries, and allows drying of the wall cavity much more than OSB. There is no reason to use OSB when plywood is available and not significant more expensive. It costs $1000 more to sheathe an average 2-3k sqft house in quality plywood vs OSB.

>>1579567
i joists

>>1579472
>You don't own it until you have paid for it.

fuckin' LOL. Mortgages are literally the best thing about home ownership in the US. having a house fully paid off is dumb unless you really need to put the leverage somewhere else.

>>1579578
$1000 extra in materials per house is a lot friendo. especially when you're building 300+ suburban tract houses.

>>1578853

Fucking Americans can't even use stone. They glue lots of little fucking rocks together with cement and try to use that to build shit. How fucking long will that last amirite?

>>1579522

For me, there is NO acceptable reason to use oSB when at least plywood, solid wood, MgO board, drywall, or other materials are available.
Correct installation of OSB can result in a durable structure, but the thing is Black Swans exist. Water will always find it's way into a building, always. Every time that happens OSB, even if it dried relatively quickly, becomes just a bit weaker. Over time OSB will degrade and reach a point where it can fail if the structure was engineered without allowance for such degradation. Secondly, if there is ever a fire, good fucking luck. I joists with OSB webbing burn to the point of failure in 2 minutes or less. Fire fighters want nothing to do with I joisted homes because by the time they get there the structure heavily compromised.
OSB is absolutely good enough 95% of the time for any application where it is used. It is the last 5% where OSB is significantly worse than other available materials, and I do not want to play odds when health, safety, or people's homes are involved. We've already had old folks homes in Canada made to the modern 'standard' of sticks and OSB burn down, killing everyone inside because the fire spread so rapidly that evacuation was not possible for most people.
FUCK OSB.

>>1579589
>Every time that happens OSB, even if it dried relatively quickly, becomes just a bit weaker.
>when at least plywood, solid wood, MgO board, drywall, or other materials are available.
MgO board is berserker
others are no different to osb when you talk about relative timescale its pointless

>>1579586

Yeah no shit, that doesn't mean it shouldn't be done. Call backs also cost money. Liability also costs money. Quality can be sold, most people wont even blink if you add a couple grand to the total cost of a home. Developers don't need anyone to cry for them, we make enough money.

>>1578941
>3 min
>minutes

Jokes on you, we use the metric system.

>>1579593
>Quality can be sold
no, it can't. nobody wants to finance midgrade materials when they are just going to treat the house like a condo and sell it after 5-8 years.

>>1579413

Didn't France have 20,000 people die a few years ago because it was hot out and all their doctors were on vacation? Asking for a friend.

>>1579597
That is 1,8hs.

>>1579598

Apple and oranges. Shit builders can sell shit homes to plebs. Good builders sell good homes to people that are willing to pay for it. One needs to sell volume, the other needs to sell to the right people. Ones homes are featured in magazines, the others are featured in insurance documents. One has pride in their work, the other just wants money. I haven't met a big production builder that wasn't a greedy piece of shit, but that's just my observation. They do make more money so I guess they're winning.

>>1579610
its not apples and oranges because the short term flipper mind set is dominating the housing market right now. there are no oranges, only apples.

>>1579474
>that you pour foundation too, so why not to pour walls etc?

they sometimes do, but since RC is a bad isolator, you do it mostly for beams on lower builds and fill it with brick half timber style

>Also I found out that in seismic countries they add rebars in bricks.

if you pour RC in brick it has to be a harder wearing brick, not the aerated type you "fill in". That is a faster method, present in Florida and Germany, here we make forms out of plywood and pour it in (btw, you cant make a RC form out of OSB since concrete will glue to it and rip it apart when removing, for that reason it has to be plywood).

Pic rel demonstrates the method here, but even pouring in brick is OK (hard to tell which one is structurally better)

>>1579522
>OSB isn't the problem.
>All wood rots when damp.

yet it is, all laminated timber is weaker than solid timber - it gets wet it stretches it self destructs due to different strech rates since not homogenics like solid timber.

>>1578889
Can confirm, new construction all uses this.

>>1579522
Wood is a shitty building material, it's acceptable as a material for crafts projects by noobs, but otherwise, there is no good reason to use it. Metal, cement, and glass are the only building materials I'd go with if I built anything meant to be even remotely permanent.

>>1579956
>Wood is a shitty building material, it's acceptable as a material for crafts projects by noobs, but otherwise, there is no good reason to use it.

oh shut up you absolute brainlet. wood has God-tier properties for builds, the only issue is that peasants like you cant into it.

>>1579959
Wait until American house flippers get a hold of that place.

>>1579962
>house flippers

a band of Chip Lee/Billy Bob lowlives, why do yanks glorify those scammers as selfmadeHardworkerTM?

>>1579959
>muh high IQ building material
The only reason you're so defensive of wood is because you don't know how to use metal.

>>1579965
>The only reason you're so defensive of wood is because you don't know how to use metal.

you are an imbecile, try building a house out of metal, use it for insulation as well, I hope to see some darwinism in action.

>>1579963
We do because of reality tv

>>1579968
>pretending that I was calling for metal with literally nothing else to go with it
>ignoring the rest of my post
Nice strawman, retard.

>>1579968
Building retard here. Why is using metal bad? Im wanting to get into construction

>>1579971
>pretending that I was calling for metal with literally nothing else to go with it

you must be on drugs
>>1579956
>Wood is a shitty building material
>>1579965
>The only reason you're so defensive of wood is because you don't know how to use metal.

>>1579972
>Why is using metal bad?

metal is a very bad isolator and warps heavily under fire. No materials is "bad", you just need to know its properties in order to use it properly - metal is good for roofs, bridges, tools, high rise construction etc., but horrible for other stuff

>>1579972
For the contractors like those behind the disasters in the OP, wood is a cheaper building material, especially shit like OSB; as for >>1579968 , he is a luddite, and using metal for building structures isn't "natural".

>>1579968
>try building a house out of metal
That is not difficult

>>1579981
>I dont know what oxidation is

stick to OSB

>>1579788
Idk, in Chile they do build brick houses like this, and I don't quite understand this works.
I have never seen anyone else adding rebars in brick before.
I've seen stuff like you pic, or just plain brick wall without any concrete beams...

>>1579984
>I don't know what paint is
stick to legos

>>1579984
>He doesn't know what is zinc coating, and paint

>>1578952
there is no fading. the opposite. real chalet is aged over many decades to give it the black-wood color. pic related. my chalet.

>>1579985
Also they do this...
Can somebody explain this?

>>1579965
in my village there are wooden chalets from the 1100 still standing and in perfect condition...like whati s this mutt tier posting

>>1579992
>real chalet is aged over many decades to give it the black-wood color.

dont they use the pre-burnt wood shou sugi ban weaboo methos as well?

>my chalet.

nice! congrats, how old?

>>1579985
>I have never seen anyone else adding rebars in brick before.

you dont need to on lowrise builds.

>>1579996
>Also they do this...

not smart to layer it horizontally since rebar expands.

>>1579997
>chalets from the 1100

POST PIC

PS-sorry for that half croat politician that wanted to change your falg

>>1579997
>wood
>lasting more than a couple decades
It must be nice living in a desert.

>>1579999
>you dont need to on lowrise builds.
They have earthquakes much stronger, than nips.
Also, I have never seen a rebar even in 4 storie buildings.
>not smart to layer it horizontally since rebar expands.
But why they're doing it than?
Also, I don't think it is the issue, considering that all bricks are installed on vertical rebars.

>>1580006
>They have earthquakes much stronger, than nips.
>Also, I have never seen a rebar even in 4 storie buildings

RC is brilliant for quakes, what 4 story buildings are you reffering to?

>But why they're doing it than?

same reason american build OSB in tornado and fire areas.

>>1578593
agreed

>>1580010
>what 4 story buildings are you reffering to?
European (russian) brick commie blocks, that were built by germans in early 1950's.
>RC is brilliant for quake
Sure, the question was why chileans put rebars in brick in 1-2 storie high buildings, and why they add ladder between layers?
>same reason american build OSB in tornado and fire areas.
Chileans have all types of building, starting from brick (which is not suited for quakes), american cardboard and wooden stick, aussie metal sticks and asbestos (or whatever they use now), and RC.

>>1580014
>European (russian) brick commie blocks, that were built by germans in early 1950's.

that is almost certainly built with rebar.

>Sure, the question was why chileans put rebars in brick in 1-2 storie high buildings, and why they add ladder between layers?

you mean why dont they? The chilean guy just said they dont use rebars with brick.

>>1578593
>using the same construction materials as a backyard doghouse

doghouses arent actually built with OSB, its too fragile. think about that for a second.

>>1580017
>The chilean guy just said they dont use rebars with brick.
Why the fuck I hit a rebar in brick wall, when I was hanging a TV in typical chilean brick house?
>you mean why dont they?
No, they do. This confused the fuck of me, since I didn't expect rebar in brick wall.

>>1578857
>>1578943
that looks like its copper roofing expensive but it will never corrode

>ITT: dumb fucks who don’t know why rebar is used in the first place.

>>1578952
>>1578956
>>1579992
in the past they had no advanced wood treatment

the key with these house is constructive wood protection so that no water can seep into cracks and all water gets directed away from the wood.

paint was expensive and only used for ornamental paintings.

the wood is also so thick that weathering of the surface doesn't harm the stability of the building.

on the other side wrong modern paint doesn't allow diffusion of water can destroy even big 300yo timbers in 10 years by trapping water underneath the paint not allowing the wood to dry. paint should have a SD smaller then 0,5 (idk if that unit exists on other countries than Germany)

>>1578576
based jesus saving jesus the construction worker

>>1580057
>on the other side wrong modern paint doesn't allow diffusion of water can destroy even big 300yo timbers in 10 years by trapping water underneath the paint not allowing the wood to dry.

hear hear

that being said, Ive yet to see newer would build with extra poly2000 laquer that outlasts old stuff

>>1578895
freedom - the post

>>1580057
>paint was expensive and only used for ornamental paintings.
I mean it was expensive but not thaaaaat expensive. Greeks and romans loved to paint all kinds of mundane shit just to make things colorful. The only reason why we think "clean marble" now is because of victorian era explorers and collectors scrubbing the worn paint away and the fact that just faded and chipped across time.

vieja, pal chileno que esta aqui, las cadenas de fierro se usan para darle estabilidad a la construcción, los durmientes se usan para mantener la casa en pie y armada en caso de sismo, por otro lado, las columnas de fierro que van entre los ladrillos es para que la pared se pueda mover sin romperse.

>>1580187
Well, makes sense.
>durmientes
Wtf is this?

>>1579420
>>that is pretty solid timber, have you used cements with those stones by any chance? joke is on you if you did
I haven't done anything with this building yet. I only purchased the property in November.

Have some more moonwood, hidden beneath some awful asphalt siding from the 40s or 50s and even further beneath some very nice (mostly oak and cedar, some cherry and even some maple thrown in) sheathing.

>>1578895
>this is a free market
Delusion, the post

>>1578576
I'm curious what you would prefer everything to be made out of. Brick?

Because so long as the exterior is taken care of, it's not a problem. Also steelworkers are cunts who demand shittons of money and will walk off the job and strike if they hear about some fuckin drywaller or window installer being allowed to scab. Carpenters and mexicans don't have this problem.

Look, do you want to pay 10 guys $20/hr or 5 guys $75/hr + pension contribs? The latter group will also demand $100/hr on Saturday and $200/hr on Sunday, plus another 20% more if it's after dark. And they need two men for any task because "safety".

>>1579355
Where you live are most houses concrete?

I just assumed there was either a big reason concrete wouldn't last, or a big cost reason to avoid it.

But as other anons have mentioned, homeowners here in North America are prone to semifrequent remodeling and home expansions, which are more difficult with concrete.

>>1579384
Fuck you for shitting up the board along with the retarded croat and defending it.
Pretending this is some organic meme and not one or two autistic trolls smdh

>>1580880
>Where you live are most houses concrete?
All Europe is concrete.
>I just assumed there was either a big reason concrete wouldn't last, or a big cost reason to avoid it.
It will last long, but
>North America are prone to semifrequent remodeling and home expansions, which are more difficult with concrete.
Remodeling will require many skills.

>>1581089
Oh. Another thing, is that I hear when people buy houses in europe they tend to stay there, and inheriting houses is common.

People here live in a house typically for less than 20 years before moving for one reason or another and selling it, and moving across the continent for work is a common occurrence.

>>1578576
Complaining about $35 in OSB and two hours of work to demo and replace. What's the matter with you jelly fucks? Upset you need a permit to wipe your own ass?

>>1579981
How about using a shipping container?

>>1580052
>copper will never corrode
Do you think they painted those church roofs green?

>>1580874
Fuck you, scab.

>>1581152
>Fuck people making their own decisions
Unions are glorified gangs.

>>1580874
>Look, do you want to pay 10 guys $20/hr or 5 guys $75/hr + pension contribs? The latter group will also demand $100/hr on Saturday and $200/hr on Sunday, plus another 20% more if it's after dark. And they need two men for any task because "safety".

Only non dumbfuck post in the thread.

>>1578576
precisely why I only buy turn of the century homes

>>1581138
It oxidize, it doesn't corrode. Once it turns green. It doesn't continue to deteriorate like how iron/steel rusts, it keeps so long as you don't strip off the patina.

>>1581224
Semantics. Oxidation is corrosion.

>>1578576
My house is 40 years old and built with Buffalo board, which is a million times shittier than osb, and no problems. You don't know what you are talking about.

>>1581228
Steel/iron continues to corrode though. Whereas copper oxidize / corrode until it forms a protective surface then stops.

>>1581132
This is mobile house of metal frame houses.

>>1581224
Why not build houses from alu?

>>1581242
What are pinhole leaks?
It will corrode through, just like steel, except it is way slower.

>>1580785
>OSB is widely available clearly demonstrating a free market
>posts a squiggly line on a chart somehow trying to imply that the federal Reserve has a direct hand in the building materials industry and OSB is designed, engineered, manufactured and distributed by mandate to the home building market
If for any reason it were not a freemarket, some faggot like yourself would've come along, established some homosexual committee to regulate building materials and forced the public to "build to meet the needs of the people" cuck shed pile of rocks a long time ago

>>1580862
>why specifically the brick your uncle manufacturers in the soviet block
Hes trying to create a demand in the western hemisphere for this uncles product so they can afford to move his 35 person family out of his pile of rocks and into a McMansion in the US mid-west.

>>1581244
$

>>1581248
>If for any reason it were not a freemarket