/diy/ - Do It Yourself

Wires.

>>1569188
Idk. Ask the Mexicans.

>>1569188
Norway builds houses from cardboard too?

>>1569188
We don't drill through load bearing portions of the frame in the US because it's unnecessarily complicated and weakens the structural integrity of the house.
That looks like a clusterfuck you'll hit when you try to hang a picture unless you have a diagram of the wiring. Put the wires above the outlet and that's not a problem.

>>1569196
Now that I think of it we don't frame buildings like that either What is the purpose of the vertical studs all over the wall?

>>1569198
To support heavy roof.

>>1569195
>cardboard
The wood pictured would be used as kitchen tops in America

>>1569202
?

>>1569204
Nvm. Its regular Norwegian pine.

>>1569206
No, americans use laminated MDF garbage.

>>1569196
>We don't drill through load bearing portions of the frame in the US because it's unnecessarily complicated and weakens the structural integrity of the house.

What?

>>1569196
Electricians never ask, if it is a bearing, or not, they just drill and hope that playing card home wont collapse

>>1569209
DESU electricians aren't all that bad compared to fucking plumbers.

>>1569188
Why do your wire runs bounce around like a pinball game?

What's wrong with straight lines?

>>1569207
I figured the wood was higher quality. I have no idea what Amerimarts really use.

>>1569212
Whatever the budget calls for as it's the lowest bid that takes the contract.

>>1569188

>conduits with the wires already run
>on the inside

Why does a coated wire need a conduit if it's on the inside of a house? It's not going to save it when you inevitable nail something to the wall with that cluster fuck going on. What are the red things? Outlets?

>>1569208
There is a distinct difference between:
simplifying the path and drilling through as few studs as possible
over complicating your runs and having to drill through as many studs as possible

>>1569216
because look at the fucking mess, can you imagine being the guy having to fish that when its plastered?
FUCK THAT!
the only way this could be worse would be no duct.

>>1569210
Sure, they drill only tiny hole, while plumbers like big holes.

>>1569216
>red things

The red thing is a box that goes into the wall and the outlet itself goes inside it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_tJF2RT2jY

>>1569200

I'm going to go out on a limb and say >>1569198 just doesn't know the difference between "vertical" and "horizontal". The seemingly-random boards running across the walls aren't something you normally see in the US.

But yeah, for all of standard American construction's flaws, that looks like a complete mess of a layout.

>>1569222
so a socket for a socket.
seems pretty dumb.

>>1569225
You may want to replace the socket without replacing the box you know.

It also provides dust protection.

>>1569188
Murrican wiring is all done nice, straight & horizontal, just as God intended.

US residential electric jobs use shit tier romex

>>1569225
Doing it like this would be illegal in Norway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on6VxMLd9HY

>>1569230
'course, sometimes you get some autistic electrician and you get wire-porn.

>>1569224
Sorry, started my thirsty thursday, but yes, I meant horizontal.

>>1569236
wire porn

>>1569208
>can =/= should

Be nice to the customer, avoid doing that.

>>1569239
How you replace cables without removing the sheet rock?

>>1569220
This is what I was thinking. Imagine having to do a repair or find a bit a mouse chewed on. You would have to tear out the entire fucking wall down to the studs.
American houses the wiring is mostly done in the attic and draped down longitudinally, all splices are ideally accessible from the attic.

>>1569241
You don't.

>>1569241
>How you replace cables without removing the sheet rock?

You don't.
Because done once, done right, there should never be any need to replace the wires.

In the instance you're likely to replace the wiring, means you're remodeling, thus you're going to have the wall open anyway.

>>1569246
Yeah It should last the full 45 year lifetime of these new construction plywood boxes. In many older homes made of wood, you still have to remove the drywall to run new electrical.

>>1569236
>>1569239
yeah sometimes

>>1569266

>>1569268

>>1569269
and what some of the commercial guys who thinks they are artists do

>>1569241
you don't. the house will rot and fall down before the owner decides he wants to make adjustments.

>>1569271

>>1569275

>>1569278

>>1569240

My point was that if you cut according to regulation that you don't hinder structural integrity.

>>1569208
I think he is refering to LVL's aka microlams where some inspectors are going to require either manufacturers specs or possibly an engineers letter... its usually middle 1/3's if you do it but getting the proper approvals slows the job down waiting on paperwork and can throw off schedules so bad that the bullshit isnt worth dealing with.

>>1569198
where are you located? they build it more or less like that here.. usually with the studs on 16" centers, OP's looks like 24"

>>1569271
>>1569275
>>1569278
How do I git gud at bending conduit to the point where im this gud

>>1569302
chances are if you are doing this kind of work you arent going fast enough to make money.

>>1569318
>this kind of work
As in artfagging for a living or doing electrical work

>>1569302
truth is this is absolute garbage bending
every single manual swept bend is cut and connected either end.
the art of bending is putting a bend in a single length and it being exactly where you need it.
show me a 6ft run between two boxes with 2 or 3 bends in a single length with no couplers and i'll be impressed.

the majority of bends in the picture are fabbed connectors. great way to waste money and make pulling difficult.

>>1569275
>all those stacked pulling elbows
Fucking artists

>>1569302
If you look closely, they didn't bend a single 90; they are all pre-made. The only thing they bent was the offsets, and they look like shit. Also, they should have used concentric bends for the 90s.

>>1569236

Once saw some rl wire porn. Separators, lines run in a super logical, easy to access, least likely to drill into way. Labeled each wire will with tags in key spots. A main 'highway' of wire with exits direct to destination in a nice ograngaized fashion. It was beautiful.

>>1569291
>looks like 24
Which is legal here if single story

>>1569230
>nice, straight & horizontal
also notice the plates to protect wires from nails

>>1569378
notice he also ran the the wires right where the upper cabinets will need to mount?

Those whips not attached and poking out are probably undercab lights.. that and they sprayed undercabs on the floor in white.

Is it just me or does it seem like there should be a sink roughed in on the wall somewhere, like where the duct work sort of is... maybe its on the shear wall?

>>1569275
>>1569271
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>>1569279
this art installation brought to you by your friendly local eletrical supply house.

>>1569289
But you do. You just hinder it a deemed acceptable amount by some engineer 30 years ago.

Wow that's absolutely horrible.
Would be completely against regulations in Germany.

>>1569194
I've literally never met a mexican electrician.
Plenty of framers roofers and drywall/paint guys though.

They don't do electrical, too many fractions ese.

>>1569230
>>1569378
It's like this for a reason. From time to time people used to cut holes in walls. Location of a service and it's feed from the attic gave a solid indication where to expect death-by-saw

>>1569188
>>1569230
what the fuck

you just install the cable in all over at every height through the wall? are there no rules on where to lay cables in walls?


here in germany atleast there are standardized installation zones so you dont hit a cable with every screw i.e. you know where in the wall cable should be and where not

>>1569466
top kek wanted to upload the exact same picture

>>1569507
The US has no standards like location, just about how the wire has to be supported. Some locations require all wire to be in conduit, but that is rare.
Screws issues are mostly avoided by using metal protector plates.

My favorite weird rules are using "ring circuits" like in the UK where the circuit is connected at both ends to the fuse box.

>>1569507
Since we only use orthogonal wire runs you need to just not drill anywhere orthogonal to a visible outlet, and you have to know to stop it you hit a metal plate.

>>1569474
Local 583. Lots of us are eses, ese

>>1569266
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>>1569269
I wonder if this guy's ever played factorio

>>1569654
>My favorite weird rules are using "ring circuits" like in the UK where the circuit is connected at both ends to the fuse box.
It does make for some interesting allowances for DIYers.

>>1569380
I'm sure there's more than 1 side to their kitchen.

>>1569466
This looks based.. So orderly, so logical.

>Installing electrical cabling other than vertically in a house
Why the fuck would anyone do that?

>>1569691
hence why I said maybe its on the shear wall.... you know that wall to the right covered in plywood to prevent racking of the house

>>1569654
>The US is a fuckhuge place and different locales have vastly different codes, just because the Fed says one thing doesn't mean the state or township says even more.

>I don't know what I'm talking about and where am I

Ftfy

>>1569194
I know one Mexican Electrican. He was born in the US. Because you need to be licensed/apprentice to even start in US, you must speak English. There are also school requirements. You need so many class room hours to progress your license. Most non English speaking people avoid it.
>>1569188
Really unique box placement. I wouldn’t do that because it’s too easy to hit a line later. We use staples to keep the lines attached to the framing. Your runs of wire make me seasick. If I’m doing lower outlets, all my wire is straight through at a single level. If it goes to a switch, it parallels the 2x4. I think your voltage is 240. We run 120 for almost all residential. Your work looks clean, but no joke. You’d be fired for running wires so randomly.
>>1569654
That’s not what my code book says. You’re wrong about everything. The metal plates are only needed if you can’t hit center of a 2x4 (according to code). Although local code can be MORE than the National Electric Code, it is the minimum standard and applies to ALL electrical installation in the United States.
Just stop posting if you have zero knowledge. You’re probably going to get someone killed.

>>1570191
>National Electric Code, it is the minimum standard and applies to ALL electrical installation in the United States.\
>He thinks the federal government even has the constitutional authority to tell the states how they have to build houses
get a load of this retard everyone

>>1570215
Anyone who won’t do things by code is a joke. That code exists as a minimum safety standard. Enjoy your joke life, it probably will end in an electrical fire.
You don’t have to wear safety glasses when you’re cutting things, but it’s easier to wear them than get rushed to the hospital and wear an eyepatch the rest of your life because you’re too stupid to wear them.
The NEC is the same principle. If it’s going to be inspected, in the twenty states I’ve been working in, the NEC is the standard. Your experience is Wikipedia. Mine’s a journeyman license.

Even retards would pick my advice over yours.

>>1569239
>fucks up
>puts a nail in one of the wires
>has to tear down walls and roofs of several rooms to replace it.

americans should not be allowed to post about diy electrical stuff. that shit there is straight forward illegal here.

>>1570221
I'm not disagreeing with you on the necessity of codes, I just wanted you to know that the states have voluntarily adopted uniformity in this code, rather than it being tyrannically imposed upon them from above. Afaik only 3 states don't use it.

>>1570224
*sighs in burger*
How would someone put a nail in those wires? That panel would be in a utility room. Nobody I know hangs artwork in a utility area. To put nails into anything, you’d need to hit a stud. All those wires are clear from studs, except the sub panel has one odd wire that isn’t running through the fire blocking.
The work is clean and organized. If You don’t like it, just stay in whogivesafuckistan. You’re the only poster to have a problem with that picture. More likely you don’t know what you’re talking about. Show me work you’ve done that is that clean.
I bet you can’t, because you’re just trolling.

>>1569239
this pleases me and gives me nice feelings of calm and serenity

Lol, residential

>>1570288

>>1570288
Who designed this boring, grey room?

>>1569246
>Because done once, done right, there should never be any need to replace the wires.

*new affordable super conducting wire is invented*

>>1569275
>subtleswastika.jpg

>>1569380
>Is it just me or does it seem like there should be a sink roughed in on the wall somewhere, like where the duct work sort of is... maybe its on the shear wall?

That's an easy one. Sinks are always on exterior walls with a window above them. Always. Americans have bastardized every architectural convention up the ass except that one.

>>1570288
>When your date bought out all the scissor lift seats and you finally get to use those opera glasses you sucked dick for

>>1569380
maybe where the two pipes poking out above the waste pipe is where the sink will go

>>1569329
you can't artfag with pipe for a living

>>1570637
Look at the mf’ing pictures. Obviously someone can. Nobody could bend that much conduit, that well with out years of experience.
People like you make me sad. Every thing I do as a worker is art to me. If I rope a house or lay pipe (pun intended) I want everything I do to look beautiful. It might not be art to the layman, but if my brothers in arms find the merit and beauty in my craftsmanship I’m satisfied.
If you get to the point where someone wants you to artfag, you’ve already made your living.

>>1570695
1. it's all prefab 90s and couplings. like the other anon said, just look at the saddle bends. they're kinked and off.
2. you can't do it as your day job, forever. this was a side assignment some employee that works for a shop got or some sparky with a artistic spark that did it for display.
3. fuck you

>>1569195
They hjave a huge forestry industry so ofcourse they have a long history of wooden houses. From Denmark and below you get almost exclusively masonry of some kind. Or a mix.

>>1569291
And its not a load bearing wall so who gives a fuck.

>>1569228
>You may want to replace the socket without replacing the box you know.
Why the fuck would you ever have to replace the box unless you're replacing it with a larger box? If an outlet needs to be replaced, just pull it out of the box, detach the wires, attach wires to new outlet, test, and then insert the new outlet into the box.

>>1570738
obviously you do... besides its ok to take up to 40% of bearing walls.

One notable exception to NEC standards is in Chicago. All residential wiring except low voltage is done in conduit.

>>1570942
>Chicago

b/c city is drowning in rats

https://patch.com/illinois/chicago/chicago-most-rat-infested-us-city-until-further-notice

>>1569239
Still looks like shit compared to nicely done plumbing.

>>1571011
nice hole plugs lel

>>1571013
You mean the fire foam?

>>1569188
You fucking people and burgers to. STOP building your fucking houses from plywood. If you don't stop feeding the tornados they will keep coming back.

>>1571014
I mean the two holes that were cut in the wrong place.

>>1571011
why are they so high, could have placed them at half the height
wait, why is there a supply from the left/top anyway? water isnt going to go up

>>1571031
if you're referring to the white pipe that's not a supply my dude, that's for venting the drain pipes.

>>1571011
Well it's certainly interesting!!!!!!!

>>1570748
Pretty sure that is what he is saying

>>1571071
He's saying that you need what is pretty much a socket to hold a socket, in order to do that, when in reality, it's completely unnecessary.

>>1571011
>homemade hammer arrestors on lavs and water closets

why?

>>1571078
Well it's not like the bladder in a commercial one is gonna last that long anyway

>>1571075
No you ducking mouth breather. You need a box to put your wires and socket in so your shit doesn't burn down when there's any spark in there because it's pushed up against say the paper backing of your insulation or a rats nest in your wall.

>>1571087
>>1569222 fucking describes the outlets in his country being plugged into another socket inside of the electrical box, which is completely unnecessary when pic related (attaching the wires DIRECTLY to the outlets) could easily be done instead.

>>1571085
No, I mean why hammer arrestors on non quick closing valves? Or are the lavs going to be electric eye solenoid style?

dont be a nigger
build your home with propper material

also dont run your cables through walls randomly

>>1571100
plus there is a code/ recommendation to do it properly

>>1571100
I prefer to run wiring in floors/ceilings, and then run them up/down only if I'm either going to a different floor, or if I'm going to a receptacle.

>>1571104
depends on wether you build something new or redo a house
when redoing a house I prefer to stick to the walls since you usually dont touch the floor and its easier to cut brick walls than concrete floors

>>1571110
Maybe I've dealt with a lot of unusual cases, but a lot of the houses I've worked on have unfinished basements and/or attics, and even most of the finished basements used drop-down ceilings.

>2019
>being a residential wireman

>>1569271
>alright kid fish this pipe run for me
>dont forget the jetline

>>1571123
Why do it like that?

>>1571129
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHabIlm-ORg

>>1569188
amfags skjonner ikke at man kan trekke om i ror

>>1570993
No because we still have policy holdouts from burning down once before and unions make more from it you illiterate ignorant dipshit.

>>1569188

What sort of fuckup is building this sorry excuse for a kitchen?

> Electrical wiring all over the place, no straight lines whatsoever
> Water lines above each other. Thanks for making me run back to the store to buy another connecting hose because the equal lengths that came with the faucet won't cut it!
> Drain pipe perfectly horizontal - enjoy your clogged drains
> Freshwater lines zigzagging all over the place
> Wet spot and towel near drain connection - no, these black rubber things are not a penis rings!

>>1571178
The drain obviously has fall to it, and while people don’t usually stub their water lines on top of each other I doubt the supply lines won’t reach them.

>>1571011
That is pretty, but having said that...
>that one pipe without the protective metal
>that one board that doesn't quite make it to the stud
>those three boards supporting the conduit box on one side
>American building """"standards""""

>murrikans build houses out of wood
hahahahaha wow!

t. concrete masterrace

That looks really bad to be honest

A recent trend in Brazil is to use galvanized steel pipes for the wiring. It's one of the very few fads that are actually positive.

this is how civilised people do electrics.

>>1569230
>just as God intended.

God also commanded to build a house on stone instead of on sand fyi.

>>1571195
timelapse (he forgot to put the plastic cable as routing for the electronic)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHjl9q74tfo

>>1571197
> that drill saw

Truly the patrician way to make the holes for the outlets. I still use my trusty autohammer and a whole lot of plaster. But then I'm not an electrician either. If I made my living that way I'd probably get me one of these bad boys, too...

Also if Croatian building code is like German code, the extra plastic conduit is not needed for the kind of proper cable they are using. It would be required for running individual wires. If you've got proper cable the only reason to run it in conduit is the ability to pull another cable through there. But that's usually finicky since even thin stuff like CAT5 gets stuck as soon as there's a bit of a bend.

>>1571192
you keep forcing this meme and its on the same level of retarded as 500ft hole guy.

>>1571216
that drill saw runs trought brick as smoothly as trough wood, trully impressive

>Also if Croatian building code is like German code, the extra plastic conduit is not needed for the kind of proper cable they are using.

that video is actually from Serbia, but Im not familiar with standards...I always got the impression that not running conduit is cutting corners and creating big problems out of small ones is a cable fails but I might be wrong - cables simply dont fail that often so people dont put that much attention to it, but putting plaster on a cable directly cant possibly be good.

>>1571216
>German code

is there a reason why Germans pour RC loading forms differently than here? We often make wooden molding for RC while in Germany its almost exclusively pouring RC into Yandex or similar corner blocks. is there a structural difference?

pic rel

>>1571015
If they made houses out of concrete they would survive tornados. My building was made in the 30s and has survived several major (7.5+) earthquakes, it's not like tornados are worse than earthquakes.

>>1571304

No idea, not a bricklayer. I usually turn to my father (who worked for a construction company for a while) for concrete stuff and he uses wooden molds, too. Might be him being old-fashioned, though. What do these Yandex corner blocks look like (never seen that sort of thing before and searching for it turns up the other Yandex a lot)? If they come with an integral mold (i.e. no need to add molding), that's probably the reason. For even if they are more expensive than wooden molding, labor in Germany tends to cost more than even pricey materials...

>>1571666
>Might be him being old-fashioned, though. What do these Yandex corner blocks look like (never seen that sort of thing before and searching for it turns up the other Yandex a lot)?

Yandex is the name of the company that makes all kind of bricks, but its colloquially used here as that stronger version of red brick (not to be mistaken with concrete blocks).

pic rel - on this local build, the brown/dark red ones on the corner are filled with RC and are the frame loading of the house.

If you find out the answer about mold RC pour VS "yandex" RC pour, please do tell.

>>1569188
Drevi lenge som elektriker? Automatiker her

>>1571908
Tilfeldig bilde jeg fant på google.

Har gått automasjon da på Ladejarlen, endte opp som ventilasjonsmontor.

>>1571913
Fett, ventilasjonsbransjen bra ell?

*tink tink tink* ahem.. everyone, I have an announcement I’d like to make.

FUCK JANNIES FUCK NIGGERS AND FUCK ELECTRICIANS

>>1571908
>>1571913
>>1571914
Jeg har ingen pikk, men jeg må tisse!

>>1572127
>>1571914
>>1571913
>>1571908

Hey boys, there's no use for that kind of language here!

>>1569196
what kind of massive screws do you use to hang pictures then?

>>1569211
not OP, but here in norway we use conduits. you'll want to do it this way if you're going to have any hope in replacing the wires/adding additional wires in the future.

>>1569225
>>1571093
No, that's the outlet itself that goes into the red boxes. it's exactly the same way as in the US. it's the faceplate

>>1569236
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>>1569269
what about the heat buildup from bundling all the cables together?

>>1572484
>what about the heat buildup from bundling all the cables together?

the point of all those wires in groups is so there's many circuits, spreading the load across many circuits instead of few means there should not be any appreciable heat build up.

>>1572500
wouldn't it be easier to not have that many circuits? less cost, less time spent installing?

>>1572502
Yes but then we would have needed a 240v system

>>1572535
I do not see the downside

>>1571197
ja reko zajebi radnju i povuko kanalice par metara. #yolo

>>1572544
Replace trillions of dollars of adquate transformers and household wiring.

>>1572556
>ja reko zajebi radnju i povuko kanalice par metara. #yolo

>>1572556
>>1573132
this is a christian image board, please do refrain from using such vile language

>>1569236
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>>1571011
All I would say is "name your price" to these dudes. That is exceptional work.

>>1571011
>1571011
>wires in emt in wood studded walls.
welcome to chicago.
have one little fire...

>>1574122
>actually wanting to pay for something to appear nice that would be covered up afterwards

waste of money

>>1570358
Also not true. The newest trend is to have your sink and dishwasher in your center island to free up more counter space.

>>1569222
where can a brother buy a hurtigklemmesstikk

>>1572484
>No, that's the outlet itself that goes into the red boxes. it's exactly the same way as in the US. it's the faceplate
it took me way too long to realise the faceplate is literally just plastic. got it. yeah ok thats pretty cool i guess, i spent about 4 months trying to find a matching socket with painted switch for my garage, i would have appreciated this because its easy to paint or whatever? yeah ok breddy good.

>>1569222
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Kun firma de der da.

Privat:

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>>1572063
Kek

>>1571511
Earth quakes generally don’t throw shit at your building at increased speed.

>>1574692
>Earthquakes
Metal frame, wood is acceptable too.
>Tornadoes
Brick
>Earthquake and tornadoes
Get the fuck out of there. Or build from heavy concrete.

>>1569230

Question from amateur here:

If the boxes are PVC then how do you ground your outlets? I have always wired the ground to the back of the metal junction box.

This shit perplexes me because, if I am understanding this right, PVC boxes means you need to run additional wiring just so you can ground everything?

>>1569302

Step one is get a conduit bending tool. They typically have inserts for the angles any sane, rational person would need. Step two is realizing the person who made the art installation had way more time on hand than an electrician would. If it works and does not pose a hazard to life or property then it's fine - it does not matter whether or not your bends are pefect 90 or 45 degrees or whatever.

That and the more important thing when installing wiring is to minimize the amount of conduit you need to bend - AKA where in the grand scheme of things you PLACE the bend trumps the accuracy of the angle you bend.

>>1574718
>If the boxes are PVC then how do you ground your outlets? I have always wired the ground to the back of the metal junction box.
Uh...

>>1569654

At bare minimum all electrical installations in USA need to be compliant with the NEC. Localities typically then have additional compliance rules placed on top of the NEC.

For instance, county A will allow PVC junction boxes for new and old work, while county B will NOT allow PVC junction boxes for any work. NEC (please correct me if I am wrong) only really dictates you use junction boxes as opposed to just splicing lengths of wire and leaving the splices unprotected behind the drywall.

>>1570215

While a contractor cannot face criminal charges for not adhering to the minimum required expectations of the NEC, the end user (homeowner) can totally sue a contractor in civil court for not abiding by the NEC when doing electrical work. Look at it this way - a house with wiring that is not up to par with the NEC is going to be less valuable than an equivalent house with NEC compliant wiring.

>>1570227

Like >>1570221 said - the NEC is about minimum safety standards designed to reduce or eliminate the risk of electric shock, and more importantly, electrical fires.

The NEC is the minimum required set of safety compliance required and different counties, cities, municipalities, etc all add their own regulations on top of the NEC.

>>1570224

Any sensible American would use a stud finger with a non-contact voltage sensor feature before driving nails, anchors, and/or screws into drywall.

The people that would not do this deserve to die by electrocution.

>>1570942

Does cook county still not allow the use of PVC junction boxes?

>>1574720

Question answered to my satisfaction, thanks anon

>>1570942
go google what the word exception means...chicago amended the NEC, emt is allowed to be used in residential everywhere but is generally not used as it is time consuming and expensive... I have even run EMT for residential because the customer wanted above and beyond and I am no where near that city.

>>1574612
what do you mean?

>>1571157
jeg bor i Los Angeles nå, og kan si med hånden på hjertet at jeg ennå ikke har mott en eneste elektriker som hadde fått jobb i norge.

For ikke å snakke om hva slags monstrositeter jeg har sett som mekaniker her....

Man kan altså ikke forsegle bensintanken på en Bimmer med silikon... da må man ha ny loftepumpe

>>1572605
>Replace trillions of dollars of adquate transformers and household wiring.
Imagine the amount of jobs that'd create though!

t. rump

>>1574718
>I have always wired the ground to the back of the metal junction box.
what
the
absolute
fuck
where are you from anon?

>>1574883
This is standard procedure in Bongistan.

>>1574923
i was hoping you would say that but its absolutely incorrect
in a bs1363 socket the cpc should be connected to the earth of the faceplate, a flylead to the backbox is optional as the faceplate machine screws are sufficient to provide bonding to the backbox if at least one threaded lug is solid.
this is quite apparent with high integrity earth arrangements where faceplates have two points for earthing.
the ground lug in the backbox is much more useful for light switches where no earth is required (except for metalclad switches!) or blanking plates i suppose.
the stud is for bonding the backbox, its not really intended for use as a junction point.

>>1569221

If the hole is too small you can't fit your pipe.

Big pipe needs a big hole. You jealous that you only work with small pipe? Not used to big man sized pipe?

>>1574951
Fair enough. I wasn't being too pedantic about the connection process but was more trying to convey that the back box is earthed, one way or another, in Bongistan. I haven't had anything to do with professional wiring in my career since the 15th Edition was just a glint in some nerd's eye (and even then I was only working towards a qualification).

>>1569241

Tie new wire to old wire
Pull old wire

Unless some rat chewed through it then you just hope your fishing line can make the bend

>>1569271

That's good advertising for those specialising in industrial neatness

>>1571011

>Copper pipe in a stick and paper machet house.

Why not just use CPVC?

>tfw 1st year apprentice sparky and I dont know how all the more advanced tradesmen can and have memorized sections of the NEC
Am I too brainlet for to not be good at electrician?

>>1575394
Be interested & read. The more you do something the easier it is to remember details.
I never understood how some friends of mine could remember a bunch of different models of planes that flew in WW2. Fuckin' geeks.
But then I really got into motorcycles. I met a guy who was building a custom car with a motorcycle engine, and I knew just by the shape of the engine what model it originally came from. (Bandit)

>>1574961
You can’t do this because code requires the wire be secured within eight inches of the junction box. I can’t see how you can get to that without more drywall surgery.

>>1574967
It appears to be commercial construction, an apartment building or something. Even if it was just a house, PEX would be the economical choice, CPVC is notoriously shitty pipe, give it ten years and all the valves will be shot and you will begin having sporadic leaks.

>>1574462
Every single tradesman I've every worked with who has the "who cares, it'll be covered up later" attitude is an absolute hack who runs nigger rigged homeowner level bullshit. Guys who care about making things look good care about their name and their reputation for quality. Anything less should be shipped to Pakistan to build mud huts for hill people.

>>1575394
Its repetition and years of doing it in the classroom and again on site., I was to the point with my 1st book that I could flip within 5 pages of the actual code I was looking for, then I tested for my license and the book changed and I stopped having to look up as often. I personally dont have all the sections memorized, let alone all the individual codes that can change completely or just their numerical location every 3 years... but the main sections/chapters dont change. There are also common things you have to look up all the time like certain tables you dont memorize except the table number, like 250.66 (grounding electrode) ,250.122 (equipment ground formerly 250.120), 110.26(working space clearance), 300.5(burial depth) 310.15b16(wire ampacity, formerly 310.16) ect.

Its helpful to understand how the book is designed,
Starts off with general codes that apply to just about everything and then moves to general equipment that is common, then special/specific locations and special/specific equipment and finally special systems. The 1st 3 chapters more or less is what we deal with on a daily basis so it becomes common/basic, I still have to look up wire sizes and whats required for this or that all the time within these chapters cause honestly who memorizes hundreds of pages and tables as well as all the crap I need to remember in order to just do the job on the day to day.

While I was learning the book we were told to use the index as a last resort for finding info. The thought process was that you would get used to thinking about the sections and how you apply the book and also to get really fast at looking for info for when you test... 100 questions 4.5 hours leaves about 3 minutes to read, understand, and find the answer, and you might have a few with calcs that take a few minutes more, like a residential service calc for the entire house might take 10-15 minutes as is. So being quick in the book is always a good thing.

Give it time, you'll be ok

>>1571193
Holy fuck that chandelier does not suit the environment.

>>1574718
You never heard of "twin and earth"?

>>1574967
CPVC is some of the shittiest building material used today.

https://www.cedia.net/insights/cedia-blog-detail/blog/2013/02/14/little-known-installation-risk-can-mean-big-problems
>Often times I’ve seen five or six Cat5 cables bundled together with a nylon tie, draped along the fire sprinkler pipes, and with the weight put on the pipe, it sucks the plasticizer from the cables and blisters pretty quickly,” Priddy says. “CPVC and PVC have a high affinity for these plasticizers. As it absorbs the plasticizer, the rigid pipes swell and soften and lose its mechanical rigidity to hold back water pressure.

Inspectors have been very strict about networking cables (among others) coming into contact with CPVC pipes. They actually fail the wiring installer, which is weird, because I would fail the plumber who used a pipe that crumbles when a wire touches it if I were an inspector.

Any sparkies ITT have any recommendations on work knives? I'm looking for a good pocket knife that can strip 500kcmil wire and I dont really like utility knives due to vanity I guess

>>1575923
utility knife.. wire dulls the shit out of the blade if you are using it.. are you stripping the scrapes or just where you are going to terminate?

>>1575926
Just for terminations. Not even going to be working with any large gauge wire for the rest of the project we're on for this year but I just wanted to replace my shitty wal*mart ozark trail knife with something that could take the role of a "open boxes and strip the middle of ground wires" knife that can also strip 500s so I dont have to also carry a utility knife...or should I just compromise and check out one of those pocket knives that has the removable/replaceable utility knife razorblades

>>1575927
thats up to you but dont spend too much on it... not worth it.
You can try the milwaukee knife, it flips open easy, but if you are anything like me then you will be resharpening it once a week easy.

>>1575923
I have wanted to try a
Tajima knife dk-TN80HST2
But they buy klein knifes for me at work and I cant HD bothered.

>>1575933
the fourth point isn't true, though
you would still need to operate the lever for the water and temperature

>>1575933
DELTA HIRE THIS MAN

>>1569474
>>1570191
I know a Mexican electrician in Mexico.
I also know a Mexican master carpenter who came back to Mexico to take care of his dad.Pretty sad who works for pennies compared to the states, where he would make bank, cause he wanted to take care of his dad.

>>1569190
how do you us this? there like no adapters for connecting to boxes like with pvc.

>>1575946
aww one of the good ones, wish more were like him and leave and then go fix mexico while they are there instead of coming here and trying to turn america into the shithole that mexico is.

>>1569216
Well, cables can be chewed by rats or the insulation can degrade over time etc. When you need to replace that cable, or run a new extra one, you can just pull it through conduit instead or pulling the whole wall apart.

More relevant for phone and data cables I guess but still relevant. I do think modern wire insulation lasts llonger than the old stuff though.

>>1576241
They won't chew through metal conduit tho.

>>1571281
just looked it up cable in conduit is Verlegeart B2
cable in Plaster is C

that means if you run a cable with 2 active wires Hot and neutral and one Earth.
with 1,5mm2 /AWG15 you can run:
16,5Amps over the cable in conduit B2
and 19,5 Amps over the Cable in Plaster C

the conduit has a higher heat retention and you need to use bigger wire or do fewer runs in one conduit.

wire in insulating material for example can carry less amps than cabel nailed on the outside of a wall.

>>1575957
Those red boxes has a latching mechanism.

>>1575936
>the fourth point isn't true

>>1569188
This would be against code in Belgium.

Cables should always go straight up or down not sideways over the wall, only sideways allowed over floor or ceiling.

>>1576511
don't got those here, we got the ribbed cable though, I am better off using pvc cause that has actual connection.

>>1576517
explain yourself

>>1577079
Uh, it's wireless, don't you think the app controls the valve?

>>1572556
god i will never have a croatian bf (male)

>>1569188
Anon showed us this room
It is not good
Norwegian wood

>>1575910
This. Cpvc had lots of problems back in the day, banned for a while, then they "fixed it"... Meanwhile pex came in, and now there is literally NO reason to ever use it again.

>>1569188
Looks like hidden junction boxes. Illegal.

>>1577279
No, they are not hidden.

Outlets and switches goes on top of those.

>>1577518
You also have blank covers for them, so they are accessible from the outside.

>>1577521

DSB er likevel av den oppfatning at roranlegg har en elsikkerhetsmessig fordel
fremfor kabel direkte forlagt i vegg/tak/gulv. Ved bruksendring vil roranlegg gjore
det enklere å oppgradere anlegget til ny standard og hoyere stromforingsevne.
Dessuten vil et roranlegg fore til raskere tilpasning til nytt og sikrere regelverk
fordi mindre endringer som krever endringer i kabling kan gjores uten synlige
14 ELSIKKERHET NR. 71 (1/07)
inngrep i konstruksjonen. Terskelen for oppgradering til et sikrere anlegg er
derfor mye lavere for et rorbasert anlegg.

TLDR

Americans which are using cables directly are fucking retards.

>>1575935
>Tajima knife dk-TN80HST2
those knives are pretty dangerous when your using them as chisels

>>1571304
probably labor costs

maybe it helps to avoid condensation points since the bricks are aerated and more insulating than RC

another method is pic related where the RC is not flush with the Bricks and gets a layer of insulating material.(the pink stuf}

>>1577534
dette

>>1569188
IDK, but that plumbing wouldn't pass code, where is the vent?

>>1578486
They probably put an AAV under the sink during finish work.

>>1570224
Are you fucking retarded?
At worst you cut a hole in the drywall and do a patch repair on the job, wrap it in protective material and replace drywall.

God I hate Europeans so much, you guys show so obviously how you've never owned a house or worked a day in your life.

>>1570942
i don't do any residential, but I do know that even low voltage in commercial needs conduit in chicago. when i'm out in the suburbs tho I've def just b-lined cat cables over a drop ceiling tho

>>1578549
Is it true that in Chicago any multi family structure requires cast iron drains, no PVC allowed?

>>1578673
Cast iron is objectively better because you can’t hear the water rushing through the drain.

>>1578514
how about not doing something retarded from the start rather than doing an "easy" fix

>>1578674
Application determines what is “better”, PVC doesn’t rust or rot out due to chemicals and grease like cast iron is prone to so, and is much more expensive and time consuming to install. It also drives up to costs of any future repairs or remodels. In a smaller structure, drywall and insulation can cover up most of the noise you would get from PVC, but in larger buildings (5+ stories) the settling of the building over time can cause cracks and breaks in the PVC. I probably would never use cast iron in a smaller apartment building or anything under 3 floors, and I would never want to use PVC in any bigger commercial installation.

>>1578692
>cast iron rot
The wall thickness precludes that concern. It would take a century or more to rot from the inside out.

>>1578514
> At worst you cut a hole in the drywall and do a patch repair on the job, wrap it in protective material and replace drywall.

That's how Mexican mutt niggers do it.

So no, you don't do that. That wouldn't be up to code for any connections (and reconnecting the halves of a cable the nail cut in half constitute such a connection you make between cables need to remain accessible). And you'd have to put a power outlet in the spot where you make the patch because connection-only holes are also forbidden by code anywhere you can reach them without a ladder.

> t. European homeowner

>>1578711
>connection-only holes are also forbidden by code anywhere you can reach them without a ladder

That seems unnecessary

>>1578698
Not true, I’ve seen it rot out in less than 40 years. It depends on the makeup of the sewer gasses, especially if it’s on a septic tank, the types of chemicals or grease running through it, and what it was back filled with. Furthermore the interior of cast iron frequently builds up with a thick coating of hard scale and rust, which is time consuming and expensive to remove.

>>1578692
>the settling of the building over time can cause cracks and breaks in the PVC
Have you ever seen this happen?

>>1578796
Yes, although it’s in an area near a river so the settling might be worse than in other areas.

>>1575590
I kinda like it. It's the space invaders that are fucking with me.

>>1578716

These usually have plastic caps simply wedged on them here in Europe, so I can see the rationale (somebody can pry the plastic cap with their bare hands and reach the wires). And depending on the type of connectors a curious kid can easily undo them with their bare hands and touch the live wire.

Not that I see that much wrong with them touching the live wire at some stage. People who do that usually live and it will teach them the valuable lesson "do not touch the fucking live wire" in a much more memorable way than just being told.

>>1579399
Ah. In the us the cover would be screwed down the same as it would with an outlet.

>>1579418
Same in the UK.

>>1579399
But you usually wallpaper over them.

>>1579428
That would be an inaccessible connection which is even worse.

>>1579443
You can just cut it out and paint over it again.

>>1569215
yup.

Up to marble floors, down to.. carpet.
Some rich people in the US are fucking stupid with their money importing all kinds of shit that derp the contractor has never worked with.

>we slap it up to their elation anyway kek

>>1569302
>>1569333
Or get put on exposed lighting. Making a 10' x 3/4" stick get you as far as humanly possible is a great way to learn. Once you have the basics down (deducts, multipliers, stubs, offsets) you can apply those methods to more complex runs.

Ever need to kick a 90? If you think of the kick as half of an offset, you can just measure your distance w/multiplier and make one bend. That's easier, more accurate, and more professional than holding your tape out in front of the 90 trying to bend up to your mark. Shit like that.

IMO the good benders can break down what they're doing into simple, quick segments of a more complex run.

>>1571129
Because tray is for small, weak VDV guys.

>>1571123
>last coupling on the right
you were so close my man.

>>1571193
That looks dope. How are they supported? I feel like one-hole straps with tapcons would be out of the question.

>>1575465
This

>>1571036
American plumbing requirements for venting are completely insane. Literally nobody else vents every individual drain like that. I have no idea why the US finds it necessary.

>>1582093
We don't want our buildings to smell like European dwellings

>>1582093
There are no requirements for individually vented fixtures in the United States.

>>1582094
siphon is for smell, venting is to prevent to pull a vacuum if the fall height is to high and you dont need one every few feet

>>1582093
>>1582106
Just to clarify, before anyone spergs out: each US state has their own plumbing code, but it’s all based on International Plumbing Code. Meaning there aren’t any real differences between venting by code in the US vs IPC. There are multiple vending methods approved in the code book, but each fixture must be vented by one of these methods. For example, a wet vented system can vent two full bathroom groups, depending on DFU load(a gpm measurement based on fixtures), meaning two toilets, two lavs, and two tub/showers can all be vented by one visible vent stack. Different methods of construction call for different methods of venting, but assuming Europe uses IPC there won’t be any major differences between venting in the EU and in the US.

>>1570288
What do i have to google learn how modern conference halls are wired? I'm interested in multimedia aspect of it:
audio/video cables, speaker podium, floor access hatches, stuff like that
All i ever manage to find are sites of companies that provide services, and i want some guidelines and instructions to do it myself.

>>1582094
>>1582147
Same is true fore Europe every country has their own code

Germany for example has NO code thats written in law, Law literally says:
>installations must be State of the art at the time of construction.

because the average tradesman would have to prove he installed everything to the state of the art the VDE (electrical) and VDI (engineering) were founded along time ago

The VDE is a private organization that employs a horde of engineers and labs that define a sort of code which the average electrician than can assume to be state of the art.

and if the house burns down the electrician can say that he did everything like the engineers said and it is not his fault.
but if he didn't do it like the VDE rules say he has to prove that his installation was state of the art to (which he cant so he is fucked).

the downside is that the VDE wants a fuckload of money for their code
if you want to open a electricans buisnes you need to buy a assortment of code for about 7k€

if you want the whole codel about (20k PDF files) including stuff like atomic bombs and their effect on house wiring you need to pay about 100K € and 10K€ for yearly updates.

>>1582127
Vacuum causes smell.

>>1582195
Interesting, you would think in the EU they would have more rigid standards than in the US. I would assume the engineers designing things are still going off IPC and IMC?

>>1569198
It's to strength the wall from flexing. This is due to placing the studs too far from each other and using studs that aren't thick enough. The electrical is also brainlet tier. American wiring is usually straight and at 90 degree angles specifically to ensure that it can be found easily again if you have to open the wall. That wiring fucking meanders around for no reason.

>>1582202
well many newer standarts are based of international standarts
you can tell them apart by the name

DIN 5 means German Industrial Standard 5 (Technikal drawings)
noways its replaced by
DIN ISO 5456 that means they copied from the International standards organization.

DIN German standard
DIN VDE German electrical standard
DIN ISO based on international standard
DIN EN based on European standard
DIN EN ISO

>>1581859
Fuck you, now I can't unsee.

>>1582259

>>1582147
>assuming Europe uses IPC there won’t be any major differences between venting in the EU and in the US

Sure, except nobody in the EU would choose to vent each individual drain the way that is is (seemingly) commonly done in the USA. It's crazy.

where van i Buy it

>>1582666
Nobody in the US runs a vent off every individual fixture drain, satan.

>>1582695
It's literally the picture in >>1571011

>>1582706
One picture. We have no idea what other fixtures are below it, above it, throughout the rest of the building. Like I said, SOP in the US is wet venting, one vent for two bathroom groups. Unless you are circuit venting, which gives you a stack and a circuit vent for a battery of 8 fixtures. You can’t extrapolate all US venting off one picture.

>>1582720
Excuse me, this is an electrical thread and I'm posting about plumbing, I'm a Europoor and this is the internet, and I must certainly CAN extrapolate the entire US from one picture, bub!

>>1582745
You gotta extrapolating loicense for that m8????

>>1576511
oh, so you are making raceways for the cable to run through later. Those are just empty boxes and tubes? That's cool.

Americans typically just run the wires through the middle of the studs with a metal cover over where the wires run through.

Any wires that need to be run after the walls are up either needs a push/pull stick if you're lucky and the cable is loose or we need to cut holes or rip out the dry wall to run additional cable.