/diy/ - Do It Yourself

>>1562267
>Well I'm thinking of going for the shipping container meme, but I want to know the pros and cons before I do so.

pros: there are none

cons: everyone will realize you want to make a single-wide house trailer that is worse than the ones already available.

>>1562267
You can build a bigger house for cheaper than a container.
Not huge, but bigger than the container

It gets really hot

>>1562277
Im just looking for some cheap alternatives to conventional housing, I plan on buying land and I don't really need or want much space to live in.

>>1562406
Thanks any directions towards how to do so.

>>1562408
Yeah because its metal it conducts heat too well, and living in Florida could turn it into a furnace, but I did hear you could use some type of foam to provide insulation.

>>1562606
If your house has a small foot print, you can build it like a deck.

Posts set in footings that go down to below the frost line. Pour concrete around the posts, frame house on joists that are set on the footing posts. Every house in Alaska is built like this.

Trailers are cool, but you’re paying minimum $1000 for a tiny base when a treated 4x4 post costs $5 and 2x12x16’ run less than $30. Cement costs $3/bag.

If you’re crafty, you can go 2 story by using decommissioned light poles. Same principal, just hire farmer brown to use his ground auger to dig a wider hole for each post, make sure they’re plumb. He would probably help you move the posts also if the city won’t.

Notch for your joists low and high and frame it all in square.

People don’t like this construction cuz larger houses weigh a lot more than a deck, but in rural areas, no one cares and the foundation would last longer than a concrete one poured into newly moved soil.

Build a surrounding wall with cinder blocks or something un-diggable by animals and insulate. You have a 2 story house frame that costs less than a container and is waayyyyyy easier to work on (no metal work involved)

If you’re where it’s warm, you can pour a 4-6” thick slab of concrete for cheap with a couple buddies and have a “solid” foundation. The next option would be digging a trench and brick laying to below the frost line.

>>1562626
I described the easy way to do it. New magazines prescribe pouring concrete footings and attaching posts to the top.

Either works.

>>1562626
>>1562627

Thank you very much I really do appreciate this information.

Shipping containers, power poles, spray foam and sheet materials off gas a bunch of toxic shit. Stick build with pine and use blown paper insulation, you now have a somewhat cheap and easy to fix house for proper white man living.

Anon, that you?

>>1562809
Not anymore according to the answers I got from this board

>>1562755
are you retarded?

>>1562267
I live in a commercial one
I don't really reccomend unless you're single and don't have people over ever
The lack of width space alone makes it a pain in the ass to move around in, especially if you have junk everywhere
It's bearable but still I can only deal with it because I'm out of it most of the day

I don't think you can build a house any cheaper than how "proper" American houses are already built.

Enough of these meme homes.

These prices are in AUD so convert according

Old Caravan $3,000
Shipping container $5,000
Builders hut $8,000
Tiny house $15,000

I actually bought a block and did the work of finding the most affordable option, I'm in the process of making a builders hut liveable. They are the small structures you see on construction sites.

Good luck

>>1562809
>tree falls during hurricane
>crushes side of container
>$5000 fix + labor because containers aren’t made to take pressure from the sides

Sounds like a good plan to me

>>1562267
just build one with wood frames on some kind of foundation, that container shack build with wood framing and some cladding is probably half the cost and modifications of a container

Idk OP, I've seen people praise it, and people shit on it. It looks good, you'd probably need to insulate it and maybe throw an AC in there.

check this out: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-l69It3hxAY3tkBH_utLNQ

>>1563200
>I don't really reccomend unless you're single and don't have people over ever

Thats pretty much me now

But how much did it cost to build ?

>>1563212
Very interesting,how much volume do these builders hut provide

>>1563265

>>1563840
From what I can tell there's no middle ground when comes to this subject.

>>1563202
We can always go cheaper... probably. But home much would it cost to build an average tiny home as compared to buying a container and modifying it?

I still live with my parents and the property will be mine when they die

should I bother with a granny flat in the back? I really want my own space besides my room and I feel like moving out would be a waste . plus I work really close to home

>>1562267

Construction site office trailer. Has plumbing, electrics, water tanks, ventilation, and mediocre insulation. Can also be towed with a standard ball hitch.

>>1563856
If you can do it affordably, sure. My life would be considerably better if I was able to have a carriage home at my parents.

But it's got to be affordable, mainly because if you want to move, you can't sell the place if it's on your folks' property.
You might be able to work out an agreement where if you do move, your parents can rent it out and you get some portion of the income in consideration for your build costs and the additional income they get. Or if parents sell, again you get a consideration for your additions to the property.

>>1562267
it is a meme. Containers don't make sense for architecture. They were designed to be dark trunks for moving goods long distances. If you want it to be nice inside (windows/doors), you lose its structural integrity and end up re engineering the interior. You are better off just paying upfront for a well designed prefabricated dwelling like a trailer home or cabin

>>1564252
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRN0uClnJBw
watch this

>>1562267
How do you have a basement? Do you get another container to put in the ground under the house one?

>>1562267
Isnt it illegal to put a container on a piece of land?

>>1562267
Try OSB. Made this 3 years ago, still standing. Cheap as fuck. Plan on building something bigger & isolated for winter.

>>1562267
The real meme is the 'cheaper', because it is commonly misunderstood for 'way, way, way cheaper' (just like people crying "I'm broke, so I will start vandwelling to save money").

>>1564252
While it's true containers were never intended to build a house, it's also true that your design choices ("use a container") will imply a number of consequences ("limited doors/windows, limits to shape/size, etc"), just like trailer homes and campervans.

If OP didn't fall for a meme, he actually means "container lifestyle" more than "el cheapo home bigsavings"

>>1562267
>Also I live in Florida
>>1564484
>Try OSB
>>1564484

Ship container is onions, total crap for housing and not very durable actually, and OSB I dont even, how new are you 2, Ive been posting here 2 months already.
Consult pic rel infographics for any build but I suggest the croatian shitshack especially since tornado (RC beams + red aerated terracota brick tudor style filled).

t.

Humble croatian red aerated terracota brick salesmen

>>1564492
>how new
>2 months already

Over 10 years. Sorry for not wasting my life spending all the time with my dick in the /diy/
Guy said cheap, not everlasting.

And yes, I do remember threads where we made fun of americucks for building their houses from cardboard.

i know you did research
tell me why you are going for this instead of cob, rammed earth, or stawbale?

>>1564496
>Over 10 years. Sorry for not wasting my life spending all the time with my dick in the /diy/

sorry bro, either way the principles of almost everlasting construction can be trickled down into "may it last 100 and I dont want to do any major repair for at least 40 years".

His best option is RC beamed house

>>1564507
I remember that pic. Might as well be from Polaand or any other central europe cunt.
You're probably right, if he has the $.
Somehow wooden houses arent liked in our part of the world.

>>1562726
Need to get the ground surveyed first to find out how big you need the footings could be a drama

>>1564513
>Might as well be from Polaand or any other central europe cunt.

yep, krauts and swiss also do it that way

>Somehow wooden houses arent liked in our part of the world.

wood is a very expensive build if you want to do it properly.

>>1564259
I live in florida, I don't think its possible to have a decent basement here due to all the aquifers and what not.


>>1564308
I live in florida, there' hardly any standard here unless you live in the tourist trap cities.


>>1564525
>wood is a very expensive build if you want to do it properly.

So what would the cost basis of wood frame vs shipping container frame?

>>1564491
I just want a home I can build for under 30k. I

>>1565252
cant, unless you have a trailer.

>>1565247
>So what would the cost basis of wood frame vs shipping container frame?

depends on a lot, shipp cont is such a meme millenial build. but since >>1565247
>I live in florida just do concrete bro

>>1562267

> Cons

everything.

In life there are things that look cool in a photo but are atrocious in reality. Tiny homes and shipping container homes are just that.

What costs money in real estate is the LAND and the foundation+utilities. Once you have paid for that you might as well build a proper home. You've staked out your claim, putting a tiny piece of garbage on it is a waste.

But here's some info on shipping container homes:
> very loud if it rains
> cold in winter, hot in summer
> rust prone
> small

>>1566036
>What costs money in real estate is the LAND and the foundation+utilities.
Talk out ur ass much? LAND? SRSLY? In few key locations vacant lots might pull serious cash. Remaining 95% can be had for peanuts. On any developed property aside from the ritzy zip codes, the structure will always account for the majority of its value.
>But here's some info on shipping container homes:
O boy, here we go again.
>very loud if it rains
>cold in winter, hot in summer
>rust prone
Solved with simple insulation. Same as traditional build.
>small
Who says you can only use one container?
As for OP, just get a boss fifth wheel. Pretty much wat a shipping container would offer and, being a Floridian, set up for rapid transport. In case, yaknow, hurrrricane.

>>1566225
>solved with simple insulation
Now your tiny home is even tinier :^)

>>1562755
Just make sure the house is very warm,
Have a high powered fan circulating fresh air in and gas out
Let it run for a few days
insulation and now outgassed
done

>>1566225
>Talk out ur ass much? LAND? SRSLY? In few key locations vacant lots might pull serious cash. Remaining 95% can be had for peanuts. On any developed property aside from the ritzy zip codes, the structure will always account for the majority of its value.

Total horseshit if your country isn't in economic recession and is part of the anglosphere.

>>1564202
Yep. Trailer is the cheapest way to go. But it's Florida. So you probably gonna die.

>>1564484
We call these fishing shacks up north.

I am an experienced welder and was about to do shipping containers until I realized I might as well just buy steel and weld it all up myself. More freedom in design, cheaper, no need to worry about chemicals or hidden corrosion. The only question now is the best way to do the insulation, particularly the floor. I want to do it like >>1562627 so I don't have to do a whole big expensive slab but I also want to maximize insulation and thermal mass. I am willing to invest a little more money/time in the insulation up front to cut down on long term heating/cooling expenses. Lots of products out there beyond fiberglass and sprayfoam so I'm having trouble narrowing it down.

>>1562267
Having been in a container home I can tell you that unless you weld two of them together side by side they're borderline unlivable. The width of a single container is just uncomfortable. If they were 50% as wide again I'd be all for it, but at their current size they don't work, and when you get into welding two units together and engineering them to take out the central wall you reach a point where you might as well investigate a free standing structure.

I've been researching construction methods for a few years in anticipation of building a off grid innawoods home. Earthbag is the way, its all labor and needs no foundation. Hire a couple of strong highschool kids and build it in a summer, you basically fill sandbags with a clay mixture and the sandbags set up like adobe bricks in place. Then you cement over them and end up with a adobe looking house which may look out of place in FL but will be cheap, well insulated and burly, immune to small arms fire. Check into it, heres a timelapse of 2 guys building a small one in Alaska in 2 months with no power tools or excavation machinery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPz61MWn8xw

>>1568653
What do you think of aircrete?
I've been looking into the same thing.
I like earthbag homes, but I think aircrete might be better.
Earth ships are the greatest things going if you have the know how.

>>1564492
Thats an interesting thread, but isn't reinforced concrete designed to have similar thermal expansion between the concrete and steel rebar?

>>1568693
Earth ships are great but depending on where you live they could be super hard to get official approval for, if that's something you care about.

That said, I think it could be easy enough to take the core ideas of earth ship building and dial it back a little to suit local regulations. It would probably mean you'd need a septic tank for black water treatment and that you would have to find something other than tyres to use for the rammed earth sections of the house but I imagine it's doable.

>>1562606
https://youtu.be/4yanopKcmUw

>>1568790
Watching women do hard work is like seeing nerds play sports.

>>1568790
is she retarded? is that the theme of her vlog?
it's pretty hot, desu

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LTa9cqioRDY
This Op, you just need free shipping containers and 5 free acres of land

>>1569765
>free shipping containers

stop with this onion meme, use REINFORCE CONCRETE AS BEAMS + (not hard to guess which ones are those ayy) TM

>>1568726
>isn't reinforced concrete designed to have similar thermal expansion between the concrete and steel rebar?

its not about thermal expansion of steel but rust based expansion of rebar which is crazy unpredictable on big builds, RC is fantastic on smaller builds when you have roofs and can prevent most of water damage.

Just imagine all those big bridges made with RC, all will end up like Mirandi bridge eventually. many such cases soon. very mcmansionesqe.

>>1562267
>pros
None.

>cons
Bad ventilation
Not load bearing
Bad noise abatement
Bad at staying cool or warm.

The ONLY time you want to use a shipping container is if you need a storage shed right now and don't have the time to build one.

>>1568002
>a whole big expensive slab
I think the more attractive aspect is that when pouring for a post you don't really need any help

>>1570421
Does that roof have rebar in it?

>>1570517
yes

>>1570526
Wow. This is some amazing shit.

>>1570526
what is this wizardry

>>1570530
>Wow. This is some amazing shit.
>>1570532
>what is this wizardry

its nothing new, reinforced concrete roof. Its bigger mass obviously, so it needs RC as beams, from what I know some Florida houses also use that system of roof framing for tornado protection.

Its almost standard in Med Europe, to my knowledge superior than mixing a house with mortar with wooden roofs - because of mixing, nothing wrong with wood btw.

>>1570541
>mixing a house with mortar with wooden roofs

*house with cement

since cement is damaging to timber

>>1570541
>>1570548
Fascinating. I wonder if these work in hot climates as well, it gets very hot here..

>>1570548
How it would perform in earthquake?

>>1568741
Earth ships are a meme, research about tires off gassing carcinogens, and how their floors are uninsulated heat sinks

>>1568653
That nigger tech might fly in Africa but I’d love to see what that shit shack looks like after 10 Alaska winters.

>>1570575
it would be a smash

>>1564104
kek

>>1570556
>Fascinating. I wonder if these work in hot climates as well, it gets very hot here..
>>1570575
>How it would perform in earthquake?
>>1570623
>it would be a smash

this is a standard build in most continental europe, how come you havent seen it, what country are you guys from?

Works brilliant in hot or cold climates (you just add external insulation if cold climates, terra bricks make it cool in summer), Florida uses similar method of builds and its hot there, also brilliant in earthquakes since RC is probably the best building material against quakes. Survives tornados, bazooka shots, antiaircraft shelss, its just a very reliable method for house builds.

Very cheap also! Only issue is more time needed compared to an OSB shack due to setting of concrete. Here is a timelapse of a similar build but with wooden roof

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0DYt1Papf0

inside look on a house site with concrete roof option - more popular on coastal areas, probably due to hotter climate and more optimal concrete setting speed (?). notice the molds for concrete and how much support you have to have on the site.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1DxwGOuCcc

>>1570556
I've seen them do it in some of the smaller towns of Northern Mexico since I can even remember; these were places where Adobe was more common during the 20th century.

Although I can't recall the last time I went during a hot summer they were decently insulated to the point where I can't even recall if my godmother has an A/C system.

>>1570858
>where I can't even recall if my godmother has an A/C system

true, most of coastal homes have AC only as an addition, its simply not needed if the house is right. Why have you stopped doing Adobe houses in USA?

>>1570851
>this is a standard build in most continental europe, how come you havent seen it, what country are you guys from?
Australia. Only ever really see metal roof or tiles.

>>1570858
>northern mexico
>godmother
you have to go back, paco

>>1570851
https://youtu.be/E4yzBjN4HXw
Here have a timelapse.

>>1571072
And another, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRrvuxZe3Zs

>>1571077
>>1571072
>50 workers
>framed with cheap young timber
>put some tyvek shit over it
>THEN cover it with bricks that arent even loaded but serve just as decoration

Im not saying to insult you or smth, but this is just bizzare method of building - totally antiintuitive.
Why not use bricks for walls if you use them already or leave a wood outer if there is a wood inner?
This kind of method is also very labour intensive, but it brakes my heart seening all that nice masonry left just for decoration.

>>1571136
>all that nice masonry left just for decoration.
A lot of it isn't even visible it just gets rendered over :^)

A lot of our older houses did use wood exterior as well though, but I think termites made them fall out of fashion to some extent.

>>1571072
another problem that vertical layering creates is moisture building in walls or in the house since water travels at different speed trough wood and at different speed trough brick wall.
If you have a thick monowall of whichever material the movement of the material is far more predictable.

>>1571149
>wood exterior
like pic related. note metal sheeting as roof material

>>1571156
I think this might by vynil siding, but metal roofs are great, they arent common here, but Australians really do like them

>>1571162
Yeah I think metal roofs are probably desirable bc reflects more sunlight than tiled roof and doesn't keep the house as hot in the evening

>>1571164
tiles are very cool in summer, but distribution is a big factor that dictates builds, if you dont have clay, youll be short on tiles - Im not sure how present clay is in Australia but in Europe you have plenty of it

>>1564484
Did you just slap in wooden pallets as a foundation? Does it not fall apart?

>>1562606
>>1562408
>>1567602
>>1571164
>>1571184
>It gets really hot
>Yeah because its metal it conducts heat too well, and living in Florida could turn it into a furnace
>tiled vs metal roof

That has nothing to do with it. The reason it will get hot is because of the dark color and lack of a roof (for trailers/boxes). A roof blocks the sun, but also turns any adsorbed heat into thermal energy that gets vented away from the house. Which is one of a few reasons why house attic spaces need big vents. If you painted the building white, it would be much cooler, even without a roof. If you put a roof over it, it will be way cooler. Combine both and it will be even cooler.

So, no matter what you decide to make or buy, do yourself a favor and put a roof over it. Some states have subsidies/tax credits for "green roofing colors" or "cool colors" which are colors that reflect sunlight, preventing much of the sunlight converting into thermal energy. Flat/matte white is the best color for this. A cheap dimensional lumber frame with cheap metal roofing painted white would be the cheapest and easiest way to do it. A south-facing roofed porch will also go a LONG way to helping keep the place cool.

https://www.energystar.gov/about/federal_tax_credits/roofs_metal_and_asphalt/

>>1568002
>maximize insulation

Wool is also an option and it can be pretty cheap for shitty wool. For thermal mass, just about anything heavy will work. That can be bricks, soil, clay, sand, gravel, etc. or even 2-liter soda bottles of water. You just need to control condensation properly. One way to hide thermal mass is to use it as your flooring. For that, a masonry floor will be best. If you combine that with in-floor heating you are golden.

>>1562627
3-4 feet deep cement pilings like this are best. Deeper and more numerous if your area's soil sucks.

>>1571156
>metal sheeting roof
Must be fun in rain

>>1571712
That depends on the thickness of the insulation. It can be pretty comfy with a thin roof, but in a attic space with lots of lofty insulation you can't hear it.

>>1571712
You might not believe me but from inside you can't actually hear it.

>>1562267
Put it in the ground and use the earth as an insulator for the heat/cold. Just make sure you have a fresh air exchange and a dehumidifier

>>1564202
The company I worked for in the Yukon used one of these as their mobile camp for mining and exploration. They installed a hippy-killer wood stove and we used that for heating and as a stove for cooking. It would actually be pretty great if you had a way to distribute the heat from the stove around the trailer

>>1571825
>It would actually be pretty great if you had a way to distribute the heat from the stove around the trailer

For future reference, a box fan hanging up on the ceiling about 1.5 feet from a wall near the stove with its bottom angled and touching the wall so it blows downward makes all the world's difference in moving the air around for that type of situation. Those trailers are normally too short for a standard ceiling fan so the ceiling-wall mounted fan stays out of the way and does the same job. The down side can be that some box fans are fucking noisy while others are okay, but you never know which is which until you plug it in. The modern cheap plastic ones seem to be noisy (white noise of the blades) while the really old ones that are all metal from the 1980s are much quieter.

>>1568790
>>1568802

>I love my mom
>Let's build her a shit shack next to the ruins of the old shit shack.

>>1562267
I don't know what the coast of a sea bin is, but I can't imagine it's significantly more expensive than pooring concrete walls the way they do in Florida and using hay for insulation.

Conversely, you could buy a cheap fifth-wheel, connect the water and electric to permanent lines, and then build essentially a parking structure around it with a couple extra rooms for storage and living space. The whole thing would run you a similar cost to refurbing a sea bin into a livable space.