/diy/ - Do It Yourself

You could dig a hole, but I have no idea how deep it should be.

Mix it with a base

>>1560304
So, just dump baking powder into it? I was thinking of taking one of those 10 gallon aquariums from a Goodwill and dumping the acid in their.

>>1560306
>their
why do you want the lead exactly? is it to make paint chips to eat?

>>1560310
Mobile's a bitch, get off my back.

It's just for bullet casting. My buddy owns a used car dealership and has a bunch of batteries he's happy to part with. Saves him the trouble of disposing of them and he won't charge a dime for them.

>>1560318
your story is falling apart. lead acid battery disposal is usually a profitable business.

>>1560322
The 'story' is what it is. I'm not here to convince you.

>>1560324
Sell the batteries and don’t give yourself acid burns. You can make a few dollhairs. Dude I know used to go around to Walmarts and Sears at night where they would leave the old batteries in a little cage outside and load a pickup bed full of them from a couple stores. By dawn you can drive down to the West Side and wait for the recycling place to open and trade them for $1000 worth of heroin.

>>1560330
There's no part of this story that I did not enjoy reading.

>>1560340
I think he’s out of prison now. You would be standing there smoking a cig with dude and a truck would drive by and he would point at it and say “Man the batteries in that thing are huge, they pay $30 for one of those!” Dude and his brother were junkies in their mid 30s and lived in their mom’s basement, I think my bro met them through community service and would buy pills from the junkies.

He would ask me all the time if I would drive him around to steal the batteries and say “don’t worry, it’s not even a real theft charge because they’re basically trash” even though they would bust into cages and sheds in back of the stores to get them. He found some 19 year old kid to drive him one night and while they’re in back of some Walmart, a cop pulls up on them to see what they’re doing behind the store at 1am. Junkie dude tells kid they gotta run and drive away, and they go on a 120 mile police chase which finally ended after they crossed state lines and troopers from the next state were waiting there with spike strips.

save it in a bottle, sulfuric acid is pretty useful

>>1560297
Do the world a favor and drink it

>>1560322
>lead acid battery disposal is usually a profitable business.
What's so valuable about it?
What are you doing with the lead sulfate and water of an old spent battery?

>>1560594
It's the lead that's the profitable part.

>>1560599
How?
Not even a bar of pure refined virgin lead is all that valuable.
And the shit left in a battery is even less immediately useful than shitty scrap lead.

Not to mention all the regulatory hassle that handling lead is.

>>1560318
>take them to scrap yard
>get paid
>stop being a nigger

>>1560602
>>1560599
I>>1560594
>be scrapper
>take batteries to scrap yard
>get paid
I dont know anon but they give me thier shekels for them.

>>1560671
What do you get per pound?

>>1560297
Most municipal landfill sites have a hazmat related disposal areas. Take it to them. Or if you know a chemist ask them on how to neutralize the acid.

>>1560675
https://www.cmcrecyclinglexington.com/current-pricing/

>Lead (Soft clean) - $0.42 per. lb
>Dirty lead - $0.01 per. lb

Lead from batteries should be considered "Soft clean". Lets make the math easy and say...30lbs of lead in the average battery, that's over $12 each. Not bad, if you've got a stock and are quick.

>>1560679
>Lead from batteries should be considered "Soft clean".
How is that soft clean lead? It's not even dirty lead.
The electrodes of an old battery are all formed into lead sulfate.
You'd have to return it to actual lead through electrolysis or something.

>30lbs of lead in the average battery
That's more than double what an average starter battery weighs fully.

From the same site.
>Incomplete Cars (missing motor and/or transmissions, tires, battery, etc)
>$ 4.25
>Whole Body Cars (with engine, transmission, converter, battery, etc.)
>$ 5.75
Notice how having no battery makes barely a difference

>>1560675
A pickup bed full is worth about 3 days worth of heroin for two junkies. Do the math.

As someone who casts lead bullets, here are a few bits of info you might find useful.
First, getting rid of the acid is really not your biggest problem. It is NOT the environmental hazard it's cracked up to be unless you drop it in a lake or stream. I literally have a limetone boulder in my yard, dump it in a big depression up top, it bubbles and eats in (not much) until it gets to a perfectly neutral state and then the only "foreign" component is sulfur, which is massively present in soil and groundwater where I live anyway unless your well is over 200 feet deep. I scrape the sulfur and use it for other projects. Bottom line, don't dump the shit on fish or let birds drink it. It isn't fucking plutonium.
The bigger issue is reclaiming the lead from the plastic battery housing. That's a bitch, involves an angle grinder or band saw (flush the battery really well to remove the acid.)
Once you do have exposed lead, getting it into a crucible, you're going to have clumps and hunks and little scraps, it doesn't come out as one big piece.
>>1560683 said you have to return it to "actual lead through electrolysis or something." Um, no. Crucible that stuff and any sulfation comes out in the slag which you're scraping anyway as part of the melt. It isn't much, by volume, even on a heavily sulfated battery. In fact, battery lead is usually TOO pure for decent bullets, you'll need to add tin/antimony. Look into dropping in some tin solder at least.
Getting to the battery's innards is enough of a bitch that I don't use it as my main lead source, though. You can get a 5 gallon bucket of wheel weights free or cheap from a mom and pop tire shop.
Consider what lead alloy you want for your purposes, though. Purer lead is pretty soft and usually undesirable. Alloyed lead is harder, wheel weights have decent proportions of tin and antimony and are about right; quenching them in water straight from the mold helps too.
Ventilation and respiratory protection are your friends.

>>1560696
Is that you, dick shaped fishing line weight guy?

>>1560602
People steal the lead from church roofs, so it's worth enough to risk the wrath of god for

>>1560867
Isn't that much more valuable copper?
Just looks more like lead because of the patina.

>>1560833
Lol, nah but i do have a pile of old batteries. I was doing to just best them up with a backhoe and thow them in a bonfire to get the lead.

Anyone know if that will work?

>>1560867
Wow man. Directly to hell.

Lead isnt worth shit. But with so many states banning it i predict it to be outlawed nationally in my lifetime.

May be pretty valuable. May not be. Either way I've learned how to make rolled lead for rooftops. And they used to line basements in florida. 100 years leak free in basically a swamp.

I'm going to dig 2' wide trenches one day and line it with lead for a bitchin gun room.

>>1560318
You cannot cast decent bullets with battery lead.
Too much alloying elements like cadmium and arsenic.

>>1560297
Both the acid and lead are extremely potent especially while mixed. They could be under pressure as well. Puncturing a car battery is an extremely stupid thing to do. Instead buy a motorcycle battery these often come with the acid and battery separated to increase shelf life.

Lead exposure can be fatal and is known to reduce iq in lower doses. The amount of safety equipment you would need to ensure zero contamination is very high.

>>1560943
I don't believe that. I can't find any stories or pictures of kids with lead poisoning and never saw all these retards that supposedly exist.

>>1560297
I dump acid in driveway and it makes it look clean. I have removed the lead from 8 or 10 batteries and decided that it is way not worth the effort when the parts store will still give you five bucks after you cut off the top posts.

>>1560941
>You cannot cast decent bullets with battery lead.
>Too much alloying elements like cadmium and arsenic.

these bullets will also cause +50 heavy metal poisoning

>>1560947
>I don’t believe that
I spent my childhood biting down on lead split shots while fishing and eating tater chips after shooting my pellet gun and I’m smarter than all of you!

>>1560966
Yes. I have heard plenty of stories such as this.

>>1560941
>>1560318
I cast bullets with them. ?it works? Figure if you just get the lead to melting point, the other crap floats on top. Definitely not worth the effort. There's only like ten bullets worth after you get all the impurities out. Better to take them for money at pep boys and pick up wheel weights from behind shop.

>>1561020
>I cast bullets
Hope you're careful with the lead fumes bruh. Why not pay a mexican to do it?

As teenagers in the middle of nowhere with nothing constructive to do, my friends and I would cook up high explosives like acetone peroxide and HMTD to blow up old sheds/ tree stumps/ play equipment, but always struggled to get enough battery acid. Car wreckers and whatnot would get suspicious when a bunch of 15-year-olds show up wanting 8 old batteries.

If kids still do stupidly dangerous shit, can't you just offload the leftover acid to some shifty-looking teens? Even without the chemistry, acid is cool. Kids love acid

>>1560306
I think you mean baking soda? at any rate you might want to use a stronger base so you don't have to buy as much. Get some sodium hydroxide based drain cleaner to counteract the sulfuric acid high molarity, and add it slowly

>>1561077
Baking soda is cheap and safe. Neutralizing acid with an excess of it won't leave something that can burn you.

>>1560322
$12/core in upstate NY

>>1560303
About 500 feet should be deep enough.

Battery acid is SUUUPER useful for all kinds of great shit!!! And can be hard to get a hold of in concentration when needed .... save it!
My buddy has an electronics recycling place, and I’ll drain a few 5 gallon bucket’s worth of acid every few months, dry that shit out, sift/grind it into a fine powder and store it in bags. Much easier than storing the liquid. I use it for everything from dissolving corrosion, certain types of electroplating, even making my own pcb tinning solution.

>>1560303
Haha have your girlfriend's son dig it

>>1560696
I posted this.
>>1560911
This is some dumbshit pretending he posted what I did.

>>1560942
Off the charging system, with vent caps removed and most of the acid already poured out, the biggest danger is some residual splashing. There will be no explosions or anything else worthy of glory or terror.

>>1560947
It's real, but....
It's mostly kids eating paint chips (pica). Actual ingestion factored out, it isn't a "turn you into a retard" issue. There is evidence, however, that reducing/eliminating the massive burning of leaded fuel had some substantial positive impact. The shit ain't good for you, but it ain't plutonium either.

>>1561026
>Why not pay a Mexican to do it
Same reason refried beans exist. Ever meet a Mexican that didn't fuck things up the first time around?

Careful of the fumes. Modern batteries have calcium and can form staying gas. If you want lead, sift dirt at gun ranges. I can collect 100 lbs or more in an hour.

>>1561239
>Ever meet a Mexican that didn't fuck things up the first time around?

Yeah, all the illegals undercutting trades actually do good, honest work which is the problem. If they did poor work, it wouldnt be profitable to employ them.

>>1561631
Stibine gas, sorry. Also look into natural chellation. Keep that lead count down.

>>1560297
Take it to a car place if you're in Australia, they do regular chemical dumps. Refill the batteries with acid (or similar container) ezpz

>>1560966
>biting down on lead split shots

Do you not own a pair of pliers?

>>1560594
Everything in a lead acid battery is recycled except for the paper separators

>>1560303
Oh, I think you know.

>>1560297
What would happen if you'd dump it on the ground?

>>1561032
Ha, when I was a kid, the high school janitor had a stash of like 100 bottles of sulfuric drain opener in the basement. I was in drama club so I could stay late and go in the basement. One of my friends intentionally gave himself a chemical burn scar on his hand like in fight club.... Fucking retard.

>>1561202
Lol what? You can NOT boil sulfuric acid down into a powder you moron. You'll just create sulfur dioxide and trioxide gas. The fuck you smoking?

>>1563175
>2019
>not storing your acids in powder form

>>1562602
It sizzles and half assed boils a bit. It's not good for your clothes but I've had a car battery and a 100 pound haul truck battery blow up in my face.

Pretty much like fiberglass or small ants attacking you. More annoying than painfull.

Obviosly it's not good but if you are just taking a couple of batteries apart you'll be fine just dumping it on the ground when nobody is watching

>>1560371
this is exactly why all natural plants and their derivative compounds should be legal to grow and make yourself for free

>>1565549
>this is exactly why all natural plants and their derivative compounds should be legal to grow and make yourself for free

If people grew their own opium poppies and only ruined their own lives then maybe that would work, but you'll always have assholes who see it as a way to get rich by selling morphine and heroin and the rest to other people of all ages. Everyone thinks they can manage their addiction until they are dead or ruined, or one of the very few who survives.