/diy/ - Do It Yourself

>>1553578
I expect nothing less from amerimutts and their jewish manipulators

>>1553578
Likely for pouring concrete like the rest of the structure that the plywood is sitting on.

>>1553586
>concrete
more likely Papier-mâché, judging by the looks of this cocksocket

>>1553578
Top kek.
The land is 90% of the properties value. That part of the world will always be soo desirable that the structures will constantly be replaced with new customized structures each time a new billionaire purchases it.
If anyone were to waste their resources on building their idea of "an archetetual beauty" that will last longer than 100 years, they'll be laughed at by the billionaire that shows up and offers him half a billion dollars for the property do he can scrape the structure off of the foundation and build their idea of a monument to their wealth.
Southern california is not filled with weird croat golem cave dwellers, spending 5 generations hiding in a pile of rocks.

>>1553586
>concrete with studs and rafters
Yeah ok

>>1553643
NotHim, but, that don't look like ply
(OP pic is behind the 2 palms)

>>1553634
Tons of great architecture in So Cal.

I went on a home tour of some and was greeted by tons of Arts and Crafts places, some designed by famous A and C people like FL Wright.

Some people think they can "buy" taste. Some KNOW you can

>>1553578
especially the inner walls dont look like something that is going to be concrete, no casing like the two in the front (probably for the palms), doesnt make much sense to first build it with wood and then replace the already standing walls and roofs with concrete, you would pour concrete from bottom to top

>>1553651
probably covered it with some concrete based tiling and plaster

>>1553661
to give a better perspective

>>1553665
You want to sabotage one of these places? Just pour a few gallons of diesel fuel onto the plywood floors.

The smell will totally permeate the place and they will need to rip out all the wood.

>>1553700
diesel evaporates eventually

gotta admit, guite like the idea of having whats essentially a fuckhuge solid basement, and some fluffy bits up top. Can forgive a bit of ply, under the circumstances - still have no idea how (or how long) Burgers expect this shit to last, it is utterly abhorrent to Yuropean values building such trash, not even trolling.

>>1553651
>pic

Looks like shit.

ITT: Obsession
You know what Americans think of European style buildings? We don't. Ever.

>>1553744
yeah.. but its such brass-necked 'you want shit? heres sum real SHIT!' it (nearly) gets away with it. They been building the POS for about five fucking years, some of that material must be nearing EoL already. Trly, only in Murica
>>1553747
your insularity reflects your ignorance Burger - your 'construction' industry's one of the ROTW favorite lolcows - we wouldn't change a bit of it, such lost hilarity be too much

>>1553736
>Burgers expect this shit to last
like a year at most. there is a reason why so much of it is a concert basement. wild fires. odds are, they will rebuild the upper plywood section every single year. this is why americans build cheap houses. tornadoes, wild fires, earthquakes, and all kinds of other shit.

>>1553651

Looks like a mall

>>1553583
This. I'm glad I live in an old stone house.

>>1553716

You ever been onto a boat that had a diesel spill a decade ago? That shit doesn't ever fucking leave.

>>1553772

>America is the only place with natural disasters

>>1553716
Just add a match to the mix. It will take care of the smell problem.

>>1553747
the tourists coming here looking at our old buildings makes your claim objectively false, sorry. I expect you to move your goalposts now, but the lack of truth in your original comment remains.

>>1553821
Thousands of years of history and all you are now is Disneyland for Americans. Congrats.

>>1553827
>can you imagine Honey, this house has been standing here, ALL THIS TIME?
>yeah, 50 years.. and they STILL LIVE IN IT..

Oh look it’s the houses are made of wood anon again.

You should get together while digging a hole anon and bury a shipping container together.

You two work on the inside and I’ll backfill.

It’ll be fine. Trust me. I’m a pro. I even add a shot of black.

>>1553887
>while
with

>>1553578
Problem? Stone dungeons are not comfy.

>>1553780
Festival demountable on top of a parking garage

what even is this shit?
to (literally) re-arrange some of the worlds most expensive hilltops, this to enable (as noted) a large car garage and what looks like a Bong Comprehensive School recreated in ply on top, AND demand $500m for the privilige.. You gotta admit, this is fucking trolling, and how.

>>1554091
Those are couches.

>>1553898
>plywood windows
>...arched plywood windows

>>1554092
>couches
now you mention it.. was prob. thrown by why they constructed with substantially more substance than the house, but, multi-Burger seated enclosure, gotta take the weight ah 'spose..
>>1553898
OP shack at least has some balls, some front. That fuckers just filthy

>>1553898
>https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/massive-multi-million-dollar-family-home-rising-west-of-calgary-1.1842534
LOL proles with money

im not sure why so many europeans make fun of american buildings when 99% of europeans live in run down apartments and ride bicycles

>>1554458
You've confused New York with Europe again.

>>1554458
Provably incorrect. I live in a 800 year old stone home built by my ancestors on a street not wide enough to fit an automobile in so it keeps the fatties away. I don't need a bicycle as I can go months on end without having to ever leave my neighborhood. Mum, dad, my cousins, and grandparents all live quite comfortably in our spacious 88 sq m home build of proper material that will easily last another 800 years.

>>1554466

>>1553634
Are these cinder blocks hollow?

>>1554417
The guys got way too much money. It was half a mill just to bring power to the house. The inside looks hilarious.

>>1554466
So how many runs of CAT6 does each room have?

>>1553578
Wood has the best seismic workability than most materials. I know this is a meme, but for fucks sake why does no one consider the labor costs of a wood structure? It's cheaper.

>>1553583
This a trillion times. Spend half a fucking billion and where's it going? Certainly not on the fucking materials. Even the laborers aren't being paid that well.

>>1554546
location, location, location. You're paying for the zip code and the """"view""" (which is just smog and other peoples yuppie hives, but that's just cali). That same house would go for less than 20 anywhere else. It's same reason why 300 sq.ft shitholes in NYC are going for a couple mill.

>>1553747
>You know what Americans think of European style buildings? We don't. Ever.
Walt Disney sure didn't!

>>1554548
Uncle Walt be yet another Plywood Wizard, by the looks. Goddmmit Murica, your entire countries a movie set

Why are eurofags so obsessed?

>>1553785
If you drop a match ontop of diesel soaked plywood, nothing would happen

>>1554466
88 m2 is pretty small, thats like a small studio apartment in a highrise

>>1553578
As a californian, I am not surprised. SoCal is a fucking piece of shit place.

>>1553634
Also:
>The land is 90% of the properties value
This, so fucking hard.

>>1554472
>>1553828
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaPzN2gD3PQ

OP what else were you expecting? Wood is cheap, concrete and steel are not.

>>1553782

boats are high humidity environments, most buildings are not

>>1553785
In California you just have to wait until your house is burnt to dust. No need for sabotage.

>>1553634
>Amerimutts can't into heritage
Why am I not fucking surprised?

>>1553747
Millions of Amerimutts visit Europe every year to shuffle around and photograph really old fucking buildings. You know absolutely nothing about your countrymen.

>>1554793
That's called tourism, everybody has a hobby.

>>1554808
I fail to see how this supports Anon's point that burgers don't think about Europe at all. If they have the hobby of tourism it more than implies they think about Europe on many occasions.

>>1553578
This is how burgers build.
Remember that they were forced to cede valuable urban real estate with quality brownstone buildings to blacks due to the "Great Migration" north.
They will not make the same mistake.
Everything has to be built cheaply and disposably, so burgers can cut their losses when the neighborhood goes to shit and they have to white flight.

>>1554758
>'its muricans, innit'
Burgers, now stop BTFOing yourselves, for chrissake. We factually discussing The Tea Chest as building material here

>>1555431
New York was solid-built, as (mostly) Yuropean founded tho. Maybe had the best mix of immigrants for building shit, Dutch, German, Irish, Italian, etc.

>>1554761

Humidity is in the air faggot. Not below sea level.

>>1553634

>The land is 90% of the properties value

Someone paid 450 million for that little plot

>>1555431
Suburbia and its sprawling rows of aluminum/vinyl clad plywood shacks is a direct result of the automobile and white flight.

I can honestly say I've never thought about European structures or building materials. I have a feeling 95% of my countrymen would say the same

>>1554792
Debatable, SoCal for sure, but places like Texas were a lot more into their heritage. What with multigenerational ranches and all that. Though it appears as though the shitskins in Cali are invading Texas after fucking over their places completely.

Still better than Britbongs though, despite all their culture and history they just throw it all away. Can’t even take care of their clock.

>>1555564
Also Eurocucks would think Americans would give a shit about them. After all this time and we’re still living in their heads.

>>1553578
>plywood

So it is indeed luxury apartment since non luxury houses are built out of OSB.

>>1553898
DIOS MIO

>>1553656
>Tons of great architecture in So Cal.
Architect here.

I fucking hope you're joking.

>>1555702
I'm in the UK.

We use those ply web timber joists semi-regularly. They're great for getting services through - pipes are much easier to fit etc.

Of course - we bolt them onto masonry walls and sheath with ply on-top - so they're not exposed to the elements.

>>1554466
>I live in a 800 year old stone home built by my ancestors

cool, what country?

>>1553747
>You know what Americans think of European style buildings? We don't. Ever.

not so sure about that an nothing wrong with learning from each other.

>>1556228
>ply web timber joists
>we bolt them onto masonry walls and sheath with ply on-top

UK build styles are interesting but very different to continental Europe, so I didnt understand a thing you said, can you give a crosssection of it?

>>1553578
Do Americans build anything out of brick and stone?

>>1554091
>what looks like a Bong Comprehensive School
top key

>>1555431
>blacks there
>gangbangers
>whites there now
>hipsters
I mean both ruin an area, asian area best area

>>1556321
it's antiquated

>>1556300
I think the guy you were replying too about british constructions means this.
The joys of working outside in jolly old england.

>>1556417
>those faux steel OSB beams

Et tui UK?

I tought he was reffering to a method of doing cavity walls. Its not a ply-web timber, but OSB web timber then. Brits usually have fantastic standards of building, but Im sad seeing this happening there also.

>>1556417
thats some hokey shit, right there.. this Wimpy, Barrat, or one of them cunts?

>>1556467
That's a poor example to be honest mate. Oh believe me the standards are still there, try sitting through a smsts course and say they aren't.
>>1556470
Nah looks like a smallish scale contractor has taken it on judging by the fencing and ppe.

Where I am it's mostly normal 7x2 softwood

>>1556467
You get both.

Ply and OSB web joists.

I think they're made by Accoya or metsawood

OSB is being used more these days because it has superior material properties - the one exception being water penetration.

The irony is that OSB is more resistant than ply to water penetration, but ply dries out close to its original shape, OSB shits the bed as the water stays in longer.

>>1556321
We used to, but then the houses got old and run down, which made the neighborhoods old and run down. So people moved on and built new houses elsewhere and allowed the ultrapoor to buy the old, brick, 5 bedroom houses with a maids quarters. And any self respecting person stays the fuck out of that neighborhood.

>>1556405
>it's antiquated

not an argument against using brick.

>>1556321
not cost effective. the jump from wood to stone is almost an order of magnitude.

>>1556658
It's too had to run plumbing and wiring through the brick walls. A lot of modern houses have 5000+ feet of CAT6 plus all the other circuits. That's a bitch to pull through small conduits.

>>1556670
>It's too had to run plumbing and wiring through the brick walls
This.
In europe they don't have wires or indoor plumbing for this exact reason.

>>1556672
>not running all that crap on the outside

>>1556658
it's antiquated

>>1556677
>repeating a non-argument validates it
retardation is antiquated, but you're managing to pull that off.

>>1556690
brick being antiquated is the argument

>>1556700
Brick has always acted as a veneer anyway. The rotted out portions of that home are wood. Likely unoccupied for decades.

>>1556700
If I reverse image search I get this https://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/20/us/20brick.html which is incredibly... sad... insane. It reads like bricks are a lost technology in the US, and Americans are now like the people that would scavenge bits from the pyramids or parthenon because they couldn't make shit anymore.
>Brick thieves in St. Louis are believed to have stripped this house. The city’s bricks are prized by developers throughout the South for their quality and craftsmanship.
What the hell America.

>>1556740
I had an insight while coming over the mountains from NB to QC a few years back. We'd stopped in a small village rest area that had a mini museum of local history. One of the photos on the wall was of local brick production. It struck me as odd that in this backwoods they'd be making bricks. Then I realised that at one point in time, if you wanted bricks you had to make them. No trains, bad roads, importing bricks would be difficult.

A second anecdote involves my house. I have a brick layer I talked to it about said sadly "I bet your bricks are made by $X" Turned out they were. He knew them well as many chimneys in the area were made from those bricks and they all had the same problem.

Which is really a long winded way of saying that bricks used to all be made locally and not all bricks were well made. So if the brick maker near St Louis produced high quality bricks, it stands to reason that everyone would want them and not the crap bricks from their locality.

>>1556745
So in Europe we have standards for bricks regarding strength and water absorption. It can mean that sometimes if you cheap out on a single storey build you cannot extend up, but it also means that the bricks are always half decent if you get the right ones.

>>1556747
I remember hearing about a town in Europe back in the 1920s or something, in France, I think. They started making concrete locally and used sand from the local beaches because it was cheap. Turns out it wasn't good sand and it was also not cleaned properly so it was contaminated with salt. This caused any rebar used to rust and for unreinforced concrete to turn flakey after a few decades. The community spent much of the 60s and 70s replacing bridges and building foundations all over the place.

Lawmakers are lazy and stupid. They are too busy fighting about the shit they know is a problem right now to fight over shit that might be a problem at some point in the future. There are standards for these kinds of things because people did stupid shit or cheap shit and it hit the fan at some point. You have these laws because at some point in the past you the same problem.

>>1556740
I have cousins in the St. Louis area that have been recycling old brick for 20 years or more. They make a good living out of it. Mostly old row houses fro the late 1880s through the 1940s. Look at google maps of St Louis, north of down town, and you'll see dozens and dozens of square blocks that have been stripmined of old bricks and building materials. All that's left is bare ground. It's been happening in Detroit and other rust belt shitholes that have been abandoned by corporate 'Murika. Nothing left to do but try and recycle the costs of failure.

>>1556817
>I remember hearing about a town in Europe back in the 1920s or something, in France, I think. They started making concrete locally and used sand from the local beaches because it was cheap. Turns out it wasn't good sand and it was also not cleaned properly so it was contaminated with salt. This caused any rebar used to rust and for unreinforced concrete to turn flakey after a few decades. The community spent much of the 60s and 70s replacing bridges and building foundations all over the place.
Yeah, that was my friend's hometown, it's somewhere in Brittany. IIRC there's a sort of ghost town area with the old-new buildings off to one side.

>>1556747
>So in Europe we have standards for bricks regarding strength and water absorption.

that doesn't mean anything if most of the buildings were constructed before the standard was implemented.

>>1556879
Well it does if you didn't start implementing standards last week. Some people/countries are capable of planning more than a week ahead.

>>1556740
>It reads like bricks are a lost technology in the US, and Americans are now like the people that would scavenge bits from the pyramids or parthenon because they couldn't make shit anymore.
Look at >>1556708
>Brick has always acted as a veneer anyway
He's unaware of structural (load bearing, multicourse) brick, which is the norm for homes in many countries like the UK.
He thinks it's perfectly normal to build your home out of wood (or even glued together wood chips), and brick is only an expensive veneer.
It's insane.

>>1556907
So, which European country is the tallest structural brick building the world in?

Build houses from stone like real men. Mutts btfo with your what is considered in the UK as affordable housing aka shite.

>>1556677
>>1556690
>>1556700
>>1556708
>Brick has always acted as a veneer anyway.

this cant be real, brick as veener over OSB is just tacky construction and a structural risk. Brick can either veneer, isolate or hold load, its a great and ever present technology,

>>1557068

The brick used in typical american house construction is added after the house is built, and is not part of the load bearing structure. It's better than wood siding in my opinion if you can keep it from leaking, but it's not what a lot of people assume.

>>1557068
the two photos you're referring two are load bearing and one still collapsed
dealing with facts, every material requires maintenance and will succumb to the elements if not cared for regularly

>>1557079
>the two photos you're referring two are load bearing and one still collapsed

but it was badly neglected, brick builds last for a very long time regularly if doing just basic mainintence of roof and preventing floods.

>>1557071
>It's better than wood siding in my opinion if you can keep it from leaking, but it's not what a lot of people assume.

If you are doing just a veneer, wood is actually better imo, but you have to layer it horizontally one upon another like roof tiles to allow water drainage or tounge in groove systems to also prevent water damage.
The advantage of wood compared to brick veneers is also structural since brick wall that isnt loaded with roofs is also less stable while wood boards are screwed/nailed in.

>>1557068
Stop shilling this brazilian-tier garbage

>>1557093
>brazilian-tier garbage

>cheap
>fast to build
>durable
>uses chad reinforced concrete
>easy to add insulation outside if you want
>no termites, survives tornados, bullet and tank shell resistant, fire resistant, water resistant
>not toxic to people living in it

There are literally 0 disadvantages compared to an OSB McMansion.

>>1557101
>cheap
Which is why it's popular in Brazil
>fast to build
It takes months for a house to be finished using that method, comparing to a few weeks at most when doing like Americans do
>uses chad reinforced concrete
It NEEDS reinforced concrete otherwise it crumbles down with the kind of winds americans are used to
>easy to add insulation outside if you want
It NEEDS exterior insulation because it acts the same way as a solar cooker, but most people don't bother with it
>no termites
Ok
>survives tornados
Doesn't
>bullet
.223 and 7.62 go right through those bricks and kills whoever is on the other side. Source: Brazil
>tank shell resistant
A single tank shell can destroy an entire house built that way
>fire resistant
Yes, and helps you cook better
>not toxic to people living in it
Concrete dust is pretty toxic senpai

Now, if your method is so much better, why is it only used in countries like Thailand, Filipines, Brazil, Argentina, etc? Why only poor, low IQ people use it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8mzmTjNV6U

>>1557101
>There are literally 0 disadvantages
Earthquakes. You get one tumbler that is above a 6 and that fucker is gonna crack up like Humpty Dumpty. Wood flexes, brick doesn't. To prevent it from cracking you have to over-build the shit out of it. People in these shithole countries don't do that. Just look at the earthquakes that hit those areas and everyone's houses collapse.

Adding insulation can be done but its a huge pain in the ass. You definitely DON'T want to do it on the outside because then you are opening yourself up to the same problems you have with OSB. If it gets wet and stays wet the mortar is going to go to shit on you. While it will last a lot longer in wet conditions then OSB will you still have the problem. Brick is great if it is on the outside, not the inside, so it is accessible and easy to maintain. But then you have the problem of it being porous. You have to seal or place a barrier separating the inside so it doesn't let your insulation get wet. Either that or use insulation designed to be wet. Neither option is cheap. So what do they do? No insulation at all and its shit to live in.

As for toxicity, yeah son, it is. Brick and concrete dust will fuck up your longs just as fast as fiberglass dust will. You are just as likely to have problems with mold too as it is porous.

Certain building types are great in some areas and shit in others. Where I live bricks are expensive as fuck but wood is cheap. Meanwhile, we have earthquakes, massive temperature differences throughout the year (115F summers, freezing winters), and humidity. Brick doesn't do well here unless it is a non-load bearing veneer and even then you have to repoint it every 15-20 years. Some places though it is great. Shit is different all over.

>>1557134
This is a dumb post.

>>1553634
>rubbing hands intensifies

>>1556708
>Brick has always acted as a veneer anyway.
This is the dumbest fucking thing I've read on this board for quite some time.


Stop posting.

>>1556879
>if most of the buildings were constructed before the standard was implemented.
There have been building standards in use since the 19th century dumbass.

>>1557134
>Brick doesn't do well here unless it is a non-load bearing veneer and even then you have to repoint it every 15-20 years.
What is thermal mass.

nigger.

>>1553747
and that's why all your buildings are garbage

>>1557104
>Brazil

nigga, Brazil bricks are 1/2 the size of the qualityCroatianRedAeratedTerraBrickTM I sell. We havent had ONE case of a fallen wall in 20 years. Now to exposed your myths

>cheap
>Which is why it's popular in Brazil

cheap in terms of need of labour. If you are OK with it dont complain about hard working Mexicans.

>It takes months for a house to be finished using that method, comparing to a few weeks at most when doing like Americans do

fast IS cheap.

>It NEEDS reinforced concrete otherwise it crumbles down with the kind of winds americans are used to

no it doesnt, You can use RC for beams or plain brick it will hold. It is advisable to pour concrete in corner bricks.

>It NEEDS exterior insulation because it acts the same way as a solar cooker, but most people don't bother with it

IT DOESNT. Houses in hot Dalmatia dont use external rock wool, nor HVAC, AC is optional. Its comfortable inside since Terra brick is thermally insualating.

>no termites

money saved

>survives tornados

It does, Ive seen what houses survived in Florida.

>.223 and 7.62 go right through those bricks and kills whoever is on the other side. Source: Brazil
>A single tank shell can destroy an entire house built that way

try it.

>Yes, and helps you cook better

Terra doesnt burn you tit.

>Concrete dust is pretty toxic senpai

what concrete dust do you see in a finished house?

>>1557134
>Earthquakes.

Again a nonissue as are most critiques of superior croatian construction methods. pic rel.

>>1557190
>think about us!
lol pathetic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z95d-Zh5Pgs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBD6DFwHOBs

>>1557134
>Adding insulation can be done but its a huge pain in the ass.

External insulation, if you opt for it is a very simple process. Like any vertical layering it has in built problems (monowall is always superior) but if you are doing insulation, do an external one - most healthier and simple method by far.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIqXPUdCzi4

>>1557211
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z95d-Zh5Pgs

and here is a slightly different method with on site made RC corner beams, but both are fine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0DYt1Papf0

>>1557211
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBD6DFwHOBs

mind you this is a GLUE apartment built out of worse inflamable poly crap, not WOOD. Its an insult to WOOD to even mentioned it in the same sentance.

>>1553578
Commifornian weather is so nice they leave shit outside without worrying about it getting rained on or rusting.

>>1557220
>.223 and 7.62 go right through those bricks

Don't listen to that guy. 118 lr will only penetrate 3in of concrete at 200m. If your aerated terracota brick™ has anything on the inside, the bullet will definitely not go through.

>>1557397
>the bullet will definitely not go through
No one fills brazil bricks and it's a common occurrence for people to get shot through walls

>>1557211
Keep trying, someone will eventually fall for your shitty brazil bricks

>>1557397
>If your aerated terracota brick™ has anything on the inside, the bullet will definitely not go through.

It usually has some stuff on inside and on outside, but I dont bother about houses being resistant by heavy bullets, but they can reist lighter shots from basic pistols pretty good and dont get leveled after a tank/bazooka shot/tornado which was already proven. Either way, its a major security benefit.

But I doubt those mentioned shells would penetrate a 15cm reinforced concrete wall which are some of the sections on those builds.

>>1557397
>118 lr will only penetrate 3in of concrete at 200m.

would it go trough aerated terracota brick™ of pic rel size? that is around 30cm thickness

>>1557397
You realize that 200m is several city blocks and you could not even find 200m of open space in the shitholes where these AERATED brick houses are built.

>>1557104
>.223 and 7.62 go right through those bricks and kills whoever is on the other side
When your house has to be bullet proof, you just know you're living in the wrong place.

>>1556740
https://player.fm/series/ninety-nine-percent-invisible/283-dollhouses-of-st-louis

>>1556740
>>Brick thieves in St. Louis are believed to have stripped this house. The city’s bricks are prized by developers throughout the South for their quality and craftsmanship.

sides gone!

how much does a brick cost per piece in USA? Pic rel is close to 1usd per piece here.

>>1558544

that would probably be called a block or something other than brick in the usa, because we use the word brick for pic related, which might have two or three huge vertical holes, but is mostly solid.

>>1558545
>0.5usd pp

that is a very affordable price.

>>1557803

As strange as it sounds some rounds will have worse solid cover penetration at closer distance because the added velocity will break the bullet up more on impact. At least that's what I've been taught.

>>1557799
>30cm of spaced material

Probably not. It might crack the entire brick though.

>>1558164
You just never know man.

>>1558548
.5 usd for something thats like 10cm/20cm though

Also the brick on the far right is a paver, not actual brick.

>>1558545
lol lowes prices instead of a supplier... do you like paying double?

>>1555431
This is why I love gentrification. So many cheap, nice brownstones in fairly-safe-getting-safer areas in my home city. Just unfuck the inside, which is surprisingly easy/cheap to do and you’re ballin.

>>1558990
A true autist wouldn't have misspelled screeching

>>1558990
>Probably not. It might crack the entire brick though.

red aerated terracota brick™ supremacy confirmed.

>>1558990
>As strange as it sounds some rounds will have worse solid cover penetration at closer distance because the added velocity will break the bullet up more on impact. At least that's what I've been taught.

this sounds logical, but doesnt the speed of the bullet also increase on some weapons after they exited the gun?

>>1558545
how much is pic rel pp in USA?

>>1556867
This is why STL is segregated, the nogs ruin everything they touch so they have to stay in north county.

>>1558545
>>1558548
>>1559000
If bricks are so cheap, why is everything wood and cardboard?

>>1559777
Labor. Masons are expensive and masonry takes a very long time. If you are European that doesn’t matter because your time is worth nothing and it’s no big deal to have a family of peasants just throw man-hours at something to get it built.

Croatian, why are your bricks so amazing?

Why would they be used as opposed to something like pic related?

>>1559782
>Masons are expensive and masonry takes a very long time. If you are European that doesn’t matter because your time is worth nothing and it’s no big deal to have a family of peasants just throw man-hours at something to get it built.
We typically pay by the run for bricklaying, not by the hour for those obvious reasons (why are Americans retarded about this?)

>>1559782
>Labor.

Mostly, but the materials cost difference isn't insignificant, either.

For an 8x20ft wall, you'd need just under 1000 bricks, including the joints. Home Derpo has them for $0.35/ea, or ~$350 for the wall, and this is assuming you only make the wall 1 brick thick. The same wall would be 15 2x4 studs, plus some additional lumber for the material. Ends up being ~$60 for the lumber. Some more would be added for the outer sheathing (the inside is a wash, since the brick wouldn't be left bare most the time), but wood framing adds up to being thousands cheaper for the same size house, even before factoring in labor.

>>1559797
>We typically pay by the run for bricklaying,

Yeah...which the builder is going to quote for based on how long it takes him and his workers, on average, to complete. Even if you're not paying by the hour directly, that's still ultimately what's going to determine the size of the bill.

>>1559802
Is it unconstitutional now to ask for multiple quotes or to go through a tendering process? They'll quote based on what they can afford to quote in the market, and faster bricklayers will effectively get paid a much higher wage during the times they have work assuming they charge similarly to everyone else. This creates a massive incentive to finish the job to an acceptable level of quality as quickly as possible.

>>1559804

Which is all fine, but has nothing to do with the point being made.

Masonry is more expensive than wood framing. By a lot. The average home buyer is dumb as shit and just as cheap. Therefore, what, realistically, would you expect most houses to be made of in a place where cheap lumber is everywhere?

Ironically, in a lot of places in the US, the land alone is worth such an absurd amount of money that the additional cost of a brick/steel/concrete/whatever structure, at least on the size of a typical house, is hardly anything when considering the total purchase price. Yet, even there, you still see a lot of cheap, fast, shoddy construction.

>>1559808
>Ironically, in a lot of places in the US, the land alone is worth such an absurd amount of money that the additional cost of a brick/steel/concrete/whatever structure, at least on the size of a typical house, is hardly anything when considering the total purchase price. Yet, even there, you still see a lot of cheap, fast, shoddy construction.
I will never understand this.

>>1559808
>Therefore, what, realistically, would you expect most houses to be made of in a place where cheap lumber is everywhere?
Are you aware you're mostly arguing with a Yugoslav? Those guys are very lumber rich. The US also had and I think still has an embargo on cheap lumber imports, I remember a lot of Canadian friends were really pissed off with NAFTA for this reason. However...
>Ironically
Stupidly moar liek... are people speculating a lot on land then do you think? The gov should start swinging its compulsory purchase dick a bit more then.

Also, one of the points was that Europeans can throw cheap man hours at something, it plain isn't true at least in this case.

>>1559804
>>1559797
UNIONS

>>1559954
Europe is more unionised than the US, you are like little babby. Yet we do not have this issue. The problem in America are the idiot capitalists that don't want to treat their fellow humans as people and whine when they do shit like unionise. You are just parroting their half-baked views.

>>1559782
>If you are European that doesn’t matter because your time

It takes MORE TIME but far LESS LABOUR, in the end its even cheaper capital wise. entire build is so much simple, you need as little as 5 carpentes for an entire house.

>>1559793
>Why would they be used as opposed to something like pic related?

aerated ones are bigger ergo faster to lay, I assume they have better insulation since air cavities.

>>1559782
>If you are European that doesn’t matter because your time is worth nothing and it’s no big deal to have a family of peasants just throw man-hours at something to get it built.

oh shut up you idiot, you also do masonry and pay that exclusive price you mentioned, the only difference is that you use it for VENEERING, yeah osb+tyvek and then put luxury brick veneer that isnt even loaded from top before it (figure out the risks of that built yourself).

You can afford it you just dont know how to use it.

>>1560138

So why don’t you use aerated blocks instead? These are quite common in Britain for the inside skin on a cavity wall, although timber framing is becoming increasingly popular.

They’re also sometimes used for internal partition walls and were used more frequently in the past decades for such purposes than they are today where stud walls are usually put up.

All but one of the walls in my house use them and the one that doesn’t was put in after it was built.

Makes it nice and easy for fixing stuff to the wall and you don’t need a super powerful drill to bore through them either. You can screw straight into them, but the screw won’t go back in tight if it’s taken out.

I’m no bricklayer or mason, but your meme bricks seem like they would be complete shit compared to something like this.

How do you fix into them for second fix carpentry like door frames and mouldings? What about kitchen units?

Say you wanted to run cable or pipework in the wall, can you just cut a channel in them with a grinder and plaster over it?

They seem like they could be so easily smashed about because of all the hollows. How would one hold up against a few hammer blows?

Does the mortar between them not seep into the hollows? Without a solid base for the mortar to sit on between the bricks I can only imagine it would be very weak and crack up easily when dry?

Also? Having looked at your pictures, are houses not built with cavity walls in Croatia? Or am I missing something?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdlr9bFyCP0

>>1560159
>So why don’t you use aerated blocks instead? These are quite common in Britain for the inside skin on a cavity wall, although timber framing is becoming increasingly popular.

Terracota is far superior than any other material for insulation, more eco-friendly if I really want to use that term than concrete type blocks.

PS-redpill me on timber framing revival in UK.

>They’re also sometimes used for internal partition

That is cool to hear, I cant stand drywall/Knauf.
We have a similar option for nor structural blocks, but ours are straight up white, more like hard chalk, I think Yandex makes them, very light as well.

>How do you fix into them for second fix carpentry like door frames and mouldings? What about kitchen units?

You just drill into them and put a plastic holder before putting the screw, put more if heavier unit, no problems. Doors are usually RC framed as you see on some pics I posted so it goes into concrete.

>Say you wanted to run cable or pipework in the wall, can you just cut a channel in them with a grinder and plaster over it?

yep, that is exactly what they do, its not a hard job phisically either.

>How would one hold up against a few hammer blows?

badly when a unit, but once its part of the wall there are not IRL problems with it, similar to terra or slate roofs - a fragile material on its own but for its purpouse it doesnt create significant IRL problems.

>Does the mortar between them not seep into the hollows? Without a solid base for the mortar to sit on between the bricks I can only imagine it would be very weak and crack up easily when dry?

I havent heard much problems with this, but if they happen they happen on a small scale and are barely visible due to facade that goes over.

>Also? Having looked at your pictures, are houses not built with cavity walls in Croatia? Or am I missing something?

Cavity walls are an almost exclusive build style for GB and Netherlands as far as I know.

>>1560159
also red aerated terracota brick TM is not exclusive for my country, entire continental europe and balkan has it, its fascinating how different building styles out even to countries that are close. Few months ago I didnt even knew what is a cavity wall.

If we isolate its usually like this - Im not that happy about the system since the outer is soft and we had cases of it falling over under heavy winds, do you get mold problems with cavity systems?

>>1559782
>If you are European that doesn’t matter because your time is worth nothing and it’s no big deal to have a family of peasants just throw man-hours at something to get it built.

how expensive are high skilled illegal mexican masons? Maxican masons do absolutly crazy things with bricks, brick dome roofs etc, crazy stuff, why dont you use them the smart way instead for veneering.

>>1560159
this is a stystem if you really want to make sure stuff stays in place, Wurth is a german brand for screws and they make brilliant stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZMq-oEX2y0

here is how they do electrics, they missed that orange PVC pipe for the guide of electronic cables btw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHjl9q74tfo

how do you drill in brick walls? between the bricks or in the brick? what would you recommend if the solid brick older houses here are built of is not in good shape - became crumby, softer etc.

>>1559946
>are people speculating a lot on land then do you think?

I don't think so. That is to say, that certainly is a problem, but I don't think that's the main issue. Speculating on land is only profitable if someone else wants it, after all.

If I had to guess, I'd say it's mostly a cultural issue of people valuing the conveniences offered by urban/suburban life way too highly. Too many people would willingly throw 70%+ of their income just to house themselves because they think that's the norm. Which, around them, I suppose it is. In any event, this ends up in both a disproportionate concentration of wealth in metropolitan areas and an unwitting bidding war for land in those same areas. Eventually, you get to the point that you're paying hundreds of thousands of dollars for an _empty plot of land_.

Interestingly, I think this shares the same root cause that the stick construction does: Everyone just wants to skate through life without ever validating basic assumptions. Originally, it was just another way to save money, which made sense when the entire purchase price of a house in an okay, non-boondocks area was <$50k or so. (I think the one I'm in now was originally sold for like $25k back in the 50s. After inflation, that's less than a quarter of the place's current worth.) That started to catch on where it really shouldn't have, and now, people buy lumber-frame houses for arguably excessive prices for little reason other than that it's the norm. Few stop and question whether that makes sense anymore, so it's just the default everywhere. The conscious and unconscious encouragement and exploitation of this tendency for profit doesn't help matters, either. It's not that other cultures don't have this problem, as it seems like a basic human flaw more than anything else. It's just that the hyper-consumerist tendencies of the US and similar countries seem to highlight it the best (worst?).

A LOT of shit wrong with the world seems to boil down to this, sadly.

>>1553586
L O A D
B E A R I N G
P L Y W O O D

>>1560220
>how do you drill in brick walls? between the bricks or in the brick?
Best practice is between the bricks. During construction that works, but the problem with internal brick walls is that they're finished with plaster and so the homeowner can't tell where the mortar is when they want to drill into the wall. This is where >>1560159 large concrete blocks are better for internal walls as they aren't so susceptible to cracking if large holes are drilled into them.

>>1560253
>Best practice is between the bricks.
load of shite
if you are drilling for a fixing you avoid grout at all costs
if you are drilling for a hole hitting grout the bit will wander far too easily.

>>1560266
>brick walls are held together with grout
whew lad

>>1560247
>Interestingly, I think this shares the same root cause that the stick construction does: Everyone just wants to skate through life without ever validating basic assumptions. Originally, it was just another way to save money, which made sense when the entire purchase price of a house in an okay, non-boondocks area was <$50k or so. (I think the one I'm in now was originally sold for like $25k back in the 50s. After inflation, that's less than a quarter of the place's current worth.) That started to catch on where it really shouldn't have, and now, people buy lumber-frame houses for arguably excessive prices for little reason other than that it's the norm. Few stop and question whether that makes sense anymore, so it's just the default everywhere. The conscious and unconscious encouragement and exploitation of this tendency for profit doesn't help matters, either. It's not that other cultures don't have this problem, as it seems like a basic human flaw more than anything else. It's just that the hyper-consumerist tendencies of the US and similar countries seem to highlight it the best (worst?).
That reminds me of how Brits view their UPVC double glazing. They will pay INSANE prices for it and justify the cost with random made up crap like maintenance or security They will even buy even more expensive and shitty looking wood effect UPVC. It's far far far cheaper to get a carpenter in to build the frames from scratch, but very few do it. Hell, my old next door neighbour WAS a carpenter and stuck in (quite shoddily) UPVC crap in a house that already had fairly new UPVC crap. The weird thing is I don't think it ever was a cheaper option really though it seems like it should be, it'd be the seemingly cheapest out of a bunch of overpriced options a salesman might put to you. There's a similar thing too with getting "fitted" kitchens from big boxes, personally I think the stupid price tag is a case of "look how affluent I am, I can just waste my money on shit".

>>1560266
>load of shite
>if you are drilling for a fixing you avoid grout at all costs
>if you are drilling for a hole hitting grout the bit will wander far too easily.
Never do /diy/ or even /di/ and stop posting either troll or retard shit.

>>1560206
>do you get mold problems with cavity systems?
You can. There are metal ties that connect the inner and outer skins, and they can be a vector for moisture ingress for a variety of reasons, that will cause mold and damp problems. It's like a random problem.

I think a lot of the "pro brick people" don't realize how big North American houses are. Sure brick might make sense for a 500 sq.ft shit shack but it's not economical to build a 2500+ sq.ft house out of them.

>>1560462
That's somewhat fair, not totally fair but somewhat. There are far better technologies for making houses quickly and cheaply and bigly that don't require you to use wood waste products held together with glue tho.

>>1560477
Like such as? You know your computer is made from recycled condoms and glue right? You have no problem throwing that away after a year. Humans are wasteful, deal with it.

Like others have said, you can get 50 years easy out of a sawdust and glue house. It's not worth it when you have to spend 5x as much to build with concrete or brick and wind up gutting and remodeling it after 50 years anyways.

This is a smaller house and look at how many circuits it has. Running those, plus data plus the plumbing and HVAC would cost as much as an entire wooden house.

>>1560493
>This is a smaller house
'smaller' than what, the fucking White House?
the fucking BBQ's got its own circuit

>>1560493
>Running those, plus data plus the plumbing and HVAC would cost as much as an entire wooden house.
You're making it clear to me that Americans are just plain shit at all those things with that dumbass picture. And if you built the houses properly you wouldn't need HVAC shit so much.

>>1560493
>It's not worth it when you have to spend 5x as much to build with concrete or brick and wind up gutting and remodeling it after 50 years anyways.
A lot of houses in Europe are much much older than 50 years old. I understand this is a very strange concept to take in, but houses have been known to last centuries.

>>1560495
Fucking right it does, A 20 amp nonetheless. That's what the average ~2000sq.ft new house is running. A 3000+ sq.ft house is going have another 10-20 circuits. The 5k+ sq.ft houses I work in have a ridiculously crazy amount of cabling going to the service panel. The labour to run that through conduit would fuck you.

>>1560498
Should we just run a single ring circuit like you people? HVAC is required any house regardless of the material unless you want to live in a musty dungeon.

Why are you assuming people want to live in a 200 year old house? I've been in plenty of 100+ year old stone and wood houses and they're fucking horrible. Even after you drop $100k into updating the knob and tube wiring and lead piping most of them are small and built for the tiny people of the past. At 6'1'' I have to duck through doorways. People want open floor plans and shit, not a tiny stone dungeon.

>>1560509
>At 6'1''
Fucking manlet Americans, when will they learn?
>HVAC is required any house regardless of the material unless you want to live in a musty dungeon.
Maybe in a glue and sawdust house.
>Should we just run a single ring circuit like you people?
I don't understand why you think it'd be a good idea to have a separate breaker for every dildo you own, it's incredibly messy and incompetent. It's developing country tier wiring. Also while you're at it, get a sewage system sorted so you don't need 4 breakers just to power your monster septic tank.

Is this some kind of troll?

>>1560513
Do bricks create their own air flow?

>I don't understand why you think it'd be a good idea to have a separate breaker for every dildo you own

So your whole house doesn't go black when you overload the thing?

Nobody uses a septic system in the city... lrn2 undeveloped land in the country. That pic is clearly a cottage or cabin judging by the generator switchgear and the fact that it has a septic system... You can only dream of having the freedom to move your own shit.

>>1560518
>So your whole house doesn't go black when you overload the thing?
Oh lord the stupidity...

>>1560521
Sorry we don't still use fuses in shit like it's the 1800's....

>>1560524
>thinks circuit breakers are amazing futuristic technology
Oh shit, that's actually true:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distribution_board
>and in recent boards, one or more residual-current devices (RCD) or residual current breakers with overcurrent protection (RCBO), are also incorporated.
RCDs have been standard (and required) in Europe for I guess the best part of a century now. This is recent development in glorious advanced USA however.

>>1560527
Futuristic compared to having a fuse in every plug and a switch on every outlet.

You people were walking around with candlesticks a century ago. You sure as shit didn't have RCD's. We have GFCI outlets and breakers for wet locations. I don't need a RCD playing with my pixies on every normal circuit.

>>1560462
>Sure brick might make sense for a 500 sq.ft shit shack but it's not economical to build a 2500+ sq.ft house out of them.

average lowrise USA house isnt that big and why would you buy yourself so much mainintence either. You can go brick in any dimension you want its just a matter of resources.

>>1560533
>Futuristic compared to having a fuse in every plug and a switch on every outlet.
non sequitur
>I don't need a RCD on every normal circuit.
oh ok you are just ignorant about potential fault conditions. i certainly wouldn't want a non unbalance protected circuit especially in the usa where the pole transformer feed impedance makes resistive faults much less likely to operate an OCPD and smoulder away into a fire.

>>1560513
> don't understand why you think it'd be a good idea to have a separate breaker for every dildo you own, it's incredibly messy and incompetent.

It's because of the fucked up low voltage system burgers are using. because of low voltage (110V) they have to use more current to get the same power as we. and because they don't want to end up in flames, they put breakers on every outlet. 2kW hot water kettle takes almost 19A in burger land. astonishingly dumb, expensive and dangerous

Just look at the main breakers here >>1560493 two breakers, each 200A. you could run a small factory in Europe or medium size apartment building on those. fuck, most homes here don't have more than 3x25A (three phase) or one 32A main breakers

>>1561481
Oh lord, must be fun being an American electrician and trying to isolate what you're working on. I can't imagine this sort of thing >>1560493 keeps the right labels all that often.

Also, is stapling the cables down a common thing?

>>1561481
different anon, and them being voltlets appreciated, but, fuckers seemingly can't into sub panels and shit either, witness: >>1560499
>'I work in have a ridiculously crazy amount of cabling going to the service panel. The labour to run that through conduit would fuck you..'
'Yeah, we finished our 150 circuits for Burger Manson! - oh shit, we forgot the BBQ, rip open those 14 walls again, and order us up another 6-mile cable roll..'
Theres no fucking reason whatsoever for half that shit (Garages etc) running to cellar/wherever service in the first place - when you got a 'crazy amount' of cabling to panel, you maybe doing it fucking crazy in the first place. You got 300 circuits, put in a fucking sub already, deranged Burgers

>>1561511
I wonder how much copper is in them walls...

>>1561481
How many modern devices really require more than 15 amps@120v? If I need to run an arc welder or install a hot tub then I pop in two 30 amp breakers. If we want to boil water we use a kettle on the 3kw electric element on the range or wait the extra 20 seconds for our 1200w kettles to boil water.

Again... It comes down to house size. A 2000+ sq.ft house with heated floors is going to use a lot more power than some 500sq.ft flat. That house will never ever come close to using all that 400amps but we build things with overhead here in North America. Same reason why we drive big, lazy V8's.

>>1561504
It's pretty easy. It's not exactly rocket science shutting down the circuit you need to work on. You can always just short the outlet and trip the breaker if you're lazy and dumb.

Most panels look like shit compared to those. Nobody staples and organizes shit like that. All the feeds usually just come in a thick bundle.

>>1561511
You run 150 circuits so you never run out of circuits in the future... Do you honestly believe ring circuits make more sense?

>>1561515
I'd say 3-5 thousand feet of 14 or 12 gauge 3 conductor wire. Do the math.

>>1561519
>It's pretty easy. It's not exactly rocket science shutting down the circuit you need to work on. You can always just short the outlet and trip the breaker if you're lazy and dumb.
In the UK: neighbour had their breakers going off all the time, found out that their panel had the labels all wrong AND some idiot had wired the high amp plug in their garage to the same circuit as the immersion heater. I don't even know why (repeat business maybe?) there was clearly another breaker labelled for the immersion heater. So their thing tripped everything when their garage freezer happened to start up at the same as their water needed heating, and it meant the stupid thing wasn't isolated. It didn't matter because of having a wall fuse, but still. With that set up I can imagine trying to turn off the bbq for half an hour because no fuse at one end and it being labelled "Septic Tank 6" at the other.

>>1561524
>You run 150 circuits so you never run out of circuits in the future...
But that house isn't built to last either, you could have way fewer circuits and it'll be torn down before you need more.

>Do you honestly believe ring circuits make more sense?
Yes.

>>1560509
>At 6'1'' I have to duck through doorways.
Bullshit.

>>1560493
>gutting and remodeling it after 50 years anyways.
maybe if you didn't make it out of shit you wouldn't have to do this?

>>1561532
That's not really a thing here. You can always go around and test and label exactly what circuit is what.

>>1561534
A 1000 foot spool of wire is like $150 and breakers and outlets are cheap. It's simple to run wire when the house is still bare studs. If you're building a 2500 sq.ft house why would you cheap out on circuits and risk overloading circuits?

>>1561540
In early 1900's sub 1000 sq.ft houses I do. The staircase going to the basements are like a foot and a half wide and the doorways are short. Go buy some early 1900's clothes and see how well they fit you.

>>1561541
A 50 year old house looks dated no matter what you build it out of. People want big and open modern looking houses, not some shit out of the three little pigs. People also get bored of their floor plans and want a change.

>>1561519
>How many modern devices really require more than 15 amps@120v? If I need to run an arc welder or install a hot tub then I pop in two 30 amp breakers.
and then you have to run new cable because you are not going to run welder on 110V and 14awg cabling, right? in Europe just pop the welder in any available outlet. recently we've installed 10kW multisplit AC with 5 indoor units and we didn't even have to change a breaker. standard 25A outlet breaker is fine because the outdoor unit has 17A internal fuse. this is 30 years old brick and concrete 2500 sq feet home

>>1561511
right? if you have such a dumb low voltage system, at least use sub panels!

>>1561524
>You run 150 circuits so you never run out of circuits in the future...
or you can use proper voltage, use less copper

>>1553586
Pouring concrete into plywood? I don't see it, to fucking weak.

>>1553634
That block house looks sort of comfy? Could a person with no experience be able to build that?

>>1554472
A house older than a goddamn country.

>>1556740
>tfw we in times where bricks are scavenged like lost technology are in post-apoc settings.
Reality is weirder than fiction.

>>1553578
If you don't wanna use bricks why not at least use AAC?

>>1561873
shit dude, it never even occurred to us to use bricks as a brick substitute so that we could get all the advantages of bricks with all the disadvantages of bricks because they're fucking bricks

>>1561543
>You can always go around and test and label exactly what circuit is what.
You can always do that anywhere, but it's a massive waste of time.

>>1561788
It makes a lot more sense running a 30 or 60 amp when I need it vs having it sit in the walls doing nothing or running a LED light off of it's circuit.

It makes no sense running a sub panel for 2 circuits. You have to feed a subpanel with 10g wire which costs more than multiple runs of 12 gauge. You only run a subpanel to a garage, a big shed, a grow op or a beast of a home theater system.

Even our 240v@30amp circuits run 10g wire. We love our copper here.

>>1562021
Well you only have to do it once even though it's generally not necessary.

>>1556321
Alex, I'll take "earthquakes" for $500, please.

masonry and stone are not suitable for seismic effects, and require steel and concrete reinforcement. and at that point, the stone would just be aesthetic only.

might as well use stucco and plywood, it is much easier to renovate and modify when it will inevitably happen.

>>1561543
>why would you cheap out on circuits and risk overloading circuits?
Because capitalism. Maximising profit at the expense of quality and future proofing. It's almost as if the acres of OSB doesn't clue you in.

>>1553578

OP your a faggot, it looks to me to be mostly concrete.

>>1556321
We ain't allowed to. Won't meet code, what ever for.

>>1553784


>>1553772

>All Americans live in shithole California.

>>1556467
>>1556603
not using old railroad rails as seen in picture 421


pretty interesting book there warning about rebar because there is no current experience (1901) if rebar will last more than 50 or 100 years so in monumental buildings that should last more than centuries rebar shouldn't be used.

i am wondering if they would classify a 6line autobahn bridge monumental because they have to be torn down after 50years because the re-bar explodes the concrete.

>>1553634
>they'll be laughed at by the billionaire that shows up and offers him half a billion dollars for the property do he can scrape the structure off of the foundation and build their idea of a monument to their wealth.

Concrete filled with tungsten rods just for laughs

>>1561805
Yes, maybe with your door or window a little fucked depending on how hard you try

>>1556740

Canadian brickie here. You wouldn’t belive the garbage brick we have to use sometimes. The last few years more people are choosing concrete bricks because the cheap clay ones we use will literally pop when it gets super cold.

>>1563442
my cellar is like Abb. 421, no old tracks though, with red bricks in an arc between

not sure how old, maybe around 100 years or more

am i the on;ly one who'd rather live in this than that thing?

>>1564489
and spend the remainder of your earthly days manicuring the hedge with a nail trimmer? You can't compare architectural styles with zero consideration of practicality. And while plywood may not weather too well in Bong, at least the decay would be manageable and predictable.

>>1553772
>this is why americans build cheap houses. tornadoes, wild fires, earthquakes, and all kinds of other shit.

this doesnt make any sense and Ive hear this argument over and over, why not do it all in RC from start?

>>1563442
>not using old railroad rails as seen in picture 421

pimp af!

The comment about RC is on point, interesting how forward thinking they were at the time unlike today when noone blinks and rethinks when a Mirandi happens.

>>1564489
>>1564504
Fuck no that thing looks creepy. 200 year old wiring and plumbing? No thanks. No heated floors? Nah.

>>1564572
>creepy
and if the plumbings worked for the last two centuries.. system be nicely broken in

>>1564580
More like just broken. Does that thing even have running water or electricity? I'm picturing walking around with a candlestick and having the eyes in the pictures following me.

>>1553656
>Frank Lloyd Wright
>Arts and Craft architect
nigga what the fuck, he literally invented his own style called Prairie School Architecture

>>1554091
>what even is this shit?

human sacrifice blood collection cisterns?

>>1564512
>why not do it all in RC from start?
earthquakes.

Also we've only had tornado and hurricane proof structures the past 30 or so years. Timber homes last about 100 years before the utilities become so unbearably out of date and it is cheaper to replace them rather than retrofit with modern utilities. Why build a non-lumber home when it is going to be destroyed by a natural disaster well before the end of it's lifespan?
Also concrete requires a concrete plant, which were not widely distributed across the nation for the first 150 or so years, but lumber is available anywhere.

>>1556740
>>Brick thieves
>St. Louis
They're called niggers. They steal.

>>1556962
Must be nice not having to contend with all the natural disasters that can possibly happen in a single region. Actually, must be nice not having to deal with any natural disasters.

>>1565010
It's 2019

>>1565010
>earthquakes.
Reinforced concrete is OK for quakes.

>>1565117
You can make it ok for earthquakes, but that takes extra engineering. Architects and civil engineers barely even take calc 1... No one is gonig to pay out the nose for that one in a million non-retarded civil to design their house for them, when they could instead just use lumber for absurdly less.

And the second paragraph was an explanation as to why for the 'non-earthquake' (6.0 and below) regions of the US.

>>1565014
It is. Ireland

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Plebeians, every single one of you

>>1565117
>>1565438
The worst part is you have to pay for .is monitoring because the rerards doing the work are going to pump it full of water so easier.

>>1565622
we've had this thread a dozen times. icf posters stopped taking the bait.

>>1565010
>>1565117
>Reinforced concrete is OK for quakes.

RC is brilliant against quakes and all kinds of damage.