/diy/ - Do It Yourself

>>1553079
Pic related Last week we passed the empire state building

>>1553079
has anyone fallen off?

>>1553082
No, however we did have a security guard crushed to death by a window last summer

>>1553084
crushed by a window? as in a single window pane pain fuck plain paen pane?

>>1553079
op here, forgot to mention that i'm gay. not sure if that matters

>>1553086
Yup. on a huge residential like this there's 15/18 foot ceilings so the windows are massive and can weigh upwards of a ton

>>1553088
and how thick is the glass? how tall is the building? how far up do these windows go on the building

>>1553089
the building is going to stand 1550', the Glass is about 8" thick. It's the worlds biggest cantilever structure as well so I believe there are 3 180' spans that are just reinforced steel and concrete and no homes, so no windows. shit is pretty nuts. takes about 20 minutes to just get to the top in the morning on the hoist elevator

>>1553079
Op here, just fyi I suck cock as a side job if you're near my jobsite

>>1553092
I dont slap the cock out of your mouth and tell you how to do your job buddy

>>1553079
link us to a picture of what the exterior is supposed to look like?

>>1553096
https://newyorkyimby.com/2017/12/extells-central-park-tower-gets-fresh-renderings-nears-halfway-point-at-217-west-57th-street.html

>>1553079
Do a backflip.

>>1553079
op here, i prefer dudes if that's relevant.

Have you pissed over the edge?

>>1553093
Don't feed the trolls, m8.
>>1553079
What's it pay? How long you been in this line of work? Moar pics? Mebbe shoot a video and webm it for us if you're able.

>>1553079
Launch a bunch of paper airplanes and see how far they fly

>>1553079
how much does it pay?

>>1553079
why aren't we building deeper underground instead?

>>1553118
This, try to hit the OWTC.

>>1553116
I get about 96 an hour I've been in the trade for 8 years.

>>1553114
Absolutely. you get fired if they catch you but why put a bathroom 10 floors below and expect me to walk/climb. sometimes I shit against columns like a bear and wipe my ass with blueprints

>>1553142
ay pero que sucio el obrero!

>>1553130
You've been in that other thread, haven't you?

>>1553122
Costs too much.

>>1553079
Why does a modern building need iron workers?

We use steel now retard.

Go back to 1895.

>>1553079
>AMA
return to reddit

>>1553193
Of course we use steel fucko

>>1553142
>fired from a union job
Good joke.

As a kid I grew up fantasizing about new york, but as the age went by and being less of a fan of multiculturalism it kinda faded away, looking at your pic it brought me those youth feels back. How is the city in reality?

>>1553079
Whats the scale like? And how hard was it to get in? Any tips for someone looking to get into that trade

>>1553122
That you Based Holeanon?

>>1553244
Yeah.
So why the fuck do you need ironworkers?

Riveting some cast iron plates?
No?
Then jump off the top and fuck off.

Let the steel fabricators do their jobs and get out the way.

>>1553333
>them digits tho
do you like heights?
are you safety minded on the job?
are you afraid of heights?

>>1553193
Protip: Steel is mostly made of Iron
Ironic, I know. but that's the way it is

>>1553359
see
>>1553397

>>1553079
Have any secret agents been in yet to assess 'demolition'

>>1553079
Will the chimks and Arabs buy all the property before any yanks get a look in?

>>1553107
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>>1553397
CCAARRLLOOSS!!!!

How much does the cement weigh compared to normal heavy aggregate street cement?

I’ve heard certain companies have made ultra-lightweight, fast setting hybrid stuff for buildings like this.

>>1553397
Most of the human body is Oxygen.

Therefore we are Oxygen

>burger logic

lol

>>1553190
Naw.

>>1553416
SE here,
Normal weight concrete 150 pcf (density)
Light weight concrete 100-125 pcf
Ultra light weight ~80 pcf

Were you afraid of heights before you took this job or it never bothered you beforehand?

>>1553139
>96/hr
Pfft , no you don’t.
Why do you union guys always have to exaggerate, if you’re going to stretch the truth at least be realistic , yes I realize when you work 60 hour weeks you can make that but it’s not a standard 40/week salary not including your furlough time.

>>1553458
SE here.

For those of you who aren't retards:

Normal Weight Concrete: 24kN/m3

Normal Weight Reinforced Concrete: 25kN/m3

Light weight Concrete: from 8kN/m3 up to 20kN/m3 to EN 206:2016
Add varying amounts of reinforcement depending on the amount of tension.
Between 1-1.5kN/m3

>>1553396
Whenever I find myself at a high place where it would be easy to just throw myself off, I have to concentrate really hard to not throw myself off. I find this somewhat unsettling as I don't have suicidal tendencies when I'm on the ground.

>>1553091
How much is one of those glass panels? Where can I get one?

>>1553079
What's the best brand for angle grinders?

>>1553485
it's not a lie. i manage prevailing wage jobs in the city and LI some times. You can look up PW wages on NY DOL site. shit's insane. I have ex cons getting into fist fights over who gets to go on the jobs.

>>1553758
Similar here. I worry so much about trying not to fall or lose my balance that I find myself losing my balance. Fuck heights.

Don't know how you do it OP.

>>1553359
>>1553193
your retarded if you just think iron workers are for iron

>>1553798
You wouldn't happen to be native Mohawk from North County NY/Cornwall? I recall reading something decades ago that said most NYC Ironworkers were from the Akwesasne reserve...

>>1553811
no i'm not a filthy casino nigger. i'm a white man. I don't do ironwork either. I'm in the environmental field

>>1553452
actually its mostly water ya dingus

I would like to come work. I have 14 years experience with a current weld cert, I work in oil and gas and I bust ass the money is good (80k last year) but not on par with you guys. How to get on? I have certs and tools a truck and no felonies. Willing to travel.

>>1553815
> filthy casino nigger
Lol...I live close to Akwesasne, natives are pretty good...

>>1553840
my sister industry is asbestos abatement. it's largely monopolized by haitians and puerto ricans. they get into gang wars when they step out of their territories.

>>1553845
Sounds to me like your living the fucking dream anon...I'm out when you mentioned asbestos-I'll stick with my fine wood dust particulate is a potential causing agent lol...

>>1553849
how bout 'cancer' for 300 Bob...

>>1553834
Water is mostly oxygen.

>>1553079
How old are you, and how long have you been an ironworker?

Have you looked into switching to Operating Engineer?

What's your least-favorite trade to work with/over/behind?

>>1553139
He is right that includes benefits but not vacation hours or pension is i remember the pay schedule right. Civil Engineer in nyc.

>>1553452
Most of the human body is oxygen covalently bonded to other atoms, producing molecules with various physical and chemical properties. Steel is mostly metallic iron, which is the main contributor to steel's properties.

Relevant to the line of discussion, modern practices of steel construction descend from older practices using iron. In the countries that led the Industrial Revolution, organizations and terminology were established before the switch to steel, and they remain accurate enough to keep..

what is the best way to dig a hole about 350-550 feet deep for my wife's kids experiment?
I spoke to hold digging contractors, they said it is impossible to get their machine in so was thinking of using hand tools. Need it to be about 2 ft wide and 350-550 feet deep for my wifes kids experiments. He is measuring explosions for science

>>1553079
Can jet fuel melt steel beams?

>>1553079
Have you noticed any center column spaces for the CIA to put explosives into?

https://youtu.be/rIZ205ccX8M

>>1554572
>In the countries that led the Industrial Revolution, organizations and terminology were established before the switch to steel, and they remain accurate enough to keep..
Why do we say "steel worker" in Britain then?

>>1554756
The abandonment of the Empire retroactively unmade the effects of several past instances of leadership.

>>1554756
In the US, "Steelworker" generally refers to a person who works in a steel mill, or other steelmaking process.

>>1553079
do you guys stop working for wind?

>>1554189
No its not

>>1554796
Not OP, but cranes have wind limits that vary by type, rated capacity, load, etc. Welding is affected by wind, too, but AWS D1.1 is generally ignored in the field, unless there's a Special Inspector.

>>1554796
Nearly every other day at this point. Hoists stop running at 35mph, crane will push till about 45 but it's tight with the DOB up our asses so we do a fuckload of half days

>>1555271
Yes. It is.

2 x H = 2
1 x O = 16

Water is almost 90% oxygen by mass. Moron.

>>1554572
>n the countries that led the Industrial Revolution, organizations and terminology were established before the switch to steel, and they remain accurate enough to keep
Apart from the fact that Ironwork and Steelwork are two different things.

Ever rennovated an old building?
You'd be royally fucked if you confused the Ironwork with the Steelwork.

This being said - most of the US is made of OSB and plywood... so I suppose that's not an issue for your 3rd world shithole.

>>1557817
>Apart from the fact that Ironwork and Steelwork are two different things.
>Ever rennovated an old building?
>You'd be royally fucked if you confused the Ironwork with the Steelwork.

Ah yes, the classic 4chan post that accomplishes zero.

How about telling us the difference you mouthbreathing knuckledragger.

>>1557815
Imagine an elephant and two mice in a room. Are there more elephants than mice? No matter the mass one hydrogen atom is one hydrogen atom.

>>1557826
So if you put the one elephant and the two mice into a blender and poured the resultant liquid into a container just big enough to hold it, would you say the container is mostly full of elephant or mostly full of mouse? We can argue this point for days, anon.

>>1557826
Most of the mass in the room is elephant.

Moron

>>1557826
>put one 10kg bowling ball and 1000 feathers weighing a total of 1kg in a box

>there is more feather than bowling ball in the box

>>1557849
Those would be some FUCKING HUGE feathers. Just saying.

>>1553082
I was working on a high-rise 3 years ago. One guy who's wife left him took a jump off of the building and then a fucking 19 year old college kid did the same over a girl a few months later. Pretty crazy, 2 guys killing themselves over women on one jobsite.

>>1553092
Vito?

>>1553107
Will jet fuel melt the steel beams?

>>1553811
Natives make up a large number of Ironworkers everywhere. They say it's because of bravery but there is a thin line between between bravery and stupidity. I was doing a job and I saw these iron workers walking on beams like 40 stories up without any harnesses on. I said something to one of the guys like "you not eating harnesses up there"? And the one guy chuckled and in so many words said only pussies wear h harnesses. That's just plain stupid.

>>1557824
Ironwork is work with Iron,

Steelwork is work with Steel

Iron isn't steel, and Steel isn't Iron.
They're different in terms of structure, constituents and manufacture.

Do you really not know that they're different things?

>>1557883
>Do you really not know that they're different things?

Do you really not know how to communicate, or are you admitting that the earlier moron was full of shit. Of course iron is not steel, brainiac, but you have not clarified what the original bozo was on about, how ironwork and steelwork are different things and you have to know the difference to earn your good boy points.

>>1557886
> Of course iron is not steel,
>how ironwork and steelwork are different things

So you agree that iron and steel are different, but don't understand how ironwork and steelwork are different?

This is next level mental retardation.

>>1557888

So you don't know. Thanks for playing.

>>1557892
How does this need explaining beyond 'they are different things'.

They have different properties, constituents and manufacturing techniques.
They have different mechanical properties, strength, ductility etc.
You can't even weld steel to Iron.
Smack a cast iron column with a hammer - it creates cracks
Smack a steel column with a hammer - it dents.

You have ironwork on a building? you're talking wrought iron bars, cast iron columns etc.
You have steelwork on a building? you're talking mild structural steel or secondary cold rolled steelwork.

These materials and the techniques used to work with them are different.
Don't mix them - you can't and you shouldn't.

You're literally arguing 'lmao theres no difference between concrete and brick. Brickworkers = someone who works with concrete hurr durr.

>haha ur dum because you won't explain something that is literally obvious

Do you know the difference between a block of wood and your own head? Unlikely.

>>1557901
>Brickworkers = someone who works with concrete hurr durr.

>>1553116
Are you the dickered poster from /ck/ that everyone is butthurt about?

>>1553079
>Union Ironworker currently working on the worlds largest residential building. AMA

Heya!

Im interested in high steel VS high reinforced concrete. If we put time and convinience aside, what are the advantages and disadvantages of those 2 methods?

Do americans have more developed steel industry compared to euros?

>>1558547
Structural engineer here.

Steel is significantly lighter.

Less weight on foundations.

Also. Pumping concrete up the side of a tower is a pain in the ass. You need superplasticisers to deal with the flow and fuckhueg pumps up the building.

Also. Construction workers are thick as shit and tend to leave out rebar because they think doing something for 40 years somehow means that physics and material properties don't matter.

>>1558575
>Steel is significantly lighter.
>Less weight on foundations.

but in terms of earthquake resistance, overall durability, are there any advantageous of high RC?

Also regarding manual labour, RC needs to need less - less screws, less tools etc...?
Overall cost in materials seems to lower in RC, but as you mentioned, the need for specialist equipment like pumps is higher...?

>>1557901
Maybe YOU can't weld steel to iron but rest assured, there are plenty of us that can.

>>1558575
>Also. Pumping concrete up the side of a tower is a pain in the ass. You need superplasticisers to deal with the flow and fuckhueg pumps up the building.

another point - high RC seems to be safer for workers than high steel. You need to lift up less heavy stuff up so less chances of workers getting hit by a steel beam etc.

>>1558583
The only way someone would weld steel to iron is if they fucked something up and had to botch the fuck out of it.

Sounds like you've done something dangerous that could result in brittle failure of a structure.

If you've done this, tell someone before the weld cracks and someone dies. Anonymous report if you have to.
Not even joking.

>>1558595
Oh, you mean on a structure. Never mind.

>>1558583
no you cant, you think you can, you have probably even done it, but you cant. There is no recognized method or filler material for this, brazing is however approved.

show us your sculpted body por favor

>>1553079

Does Ft. Worth ever cross your mind?

>>1553762
Garage sails.

>>1558600
This thread is literally about structures you fucking moron.

Do you ever just pee over the edge?

>>1561181
Sure, over the edge of your mom's mouth.

>>1553809
You're retarded if you think he's serious.

>>1553809
>your retarded

>>1554189
By mass you technically are right, but I don’t like it

>>1553079
Asking for more pics (night and day)