/diy/ - Do It Yourself

mud hut

>>1531513
But I don't live in Africa

>>1531512
>What are workable alternatives?
How much money you got? The reason stick framing is used in the USA is that it is the cheapest method available to us. If you do it right and use the right materials it can last as long as any wooden structure. You have to have good sheathing materials, exterior materials, insulation, etc, to protect the frame. Most of the time builders go cheap on everything. Any kind of wood will rot if the weather gets at it without protection and covering everything with shit-tier plastic and OSB is a recipe for disaster.

So, again, what is the budget? Building "right" can turn a $40k structure into a $400k structure without much effort or increase in size/comfort, etc.. There are levels of "right", though. A budget lets us know what level you can afford.

>>1531517

they have open borders

>>1531519
Probably around $150,000

>>1531512
Before I give any advice on this, I have a few questions:
>What are your priorities, from highest to lowest? Space, construction cost, style, etc.
>Just how many people do you intend to house? You should probably be more specific than "a few generations worth"
>How many people do you intend to put in each bedroom?
>Do you plan in having rooms such as workshops, garages, home theaters, etc?
>What is your situation regarding utilities?

>>1531524
My thought is to build a main house for myself and my family. As the children grow into their teenage years, I would build a guesthouse that would be independent. When my sons mature and get married, I would help them build their own homes on my land if they choose.

The priority is keeping costs low, as I want to be in as little debt as possible. Style and living space are low priorities. Children will not have separate bedrooms until they're older as I alluded to earlier.

I think I would want to have a basement, so that there is easy access to utilities, as well as space for a workshop.

I would want to have access to modern utilities, so I think having a water well, solar/wind power, and septic would be important.

>>1531534
>around $150,000
Well, depending on where you want to build this you've blown your budget wide open. Where I live $150k won't even buy you more than a few acres of land, let along dig out a basement, septic tank, leach lines, and a well. That's before you get to the actual house mind you.

Maybe if you want to live in some bumfuck nowhere area in a flyover state, where you will be hard pressed to find a job paying enough to qualify for a loan of that amount, you could get half of want you want for $150k. How much does a decent plot of land cost where you want to build?

>>1531559
I found forty acres for $20,000. And I am fairly confident that I could get a job working for the county.

>>1531561
$500 an acre, so, a flyover state. Okay, that changes the dynamic.

Depending on the soil a well costs between $15 and about $40 a foot. If the soil is super shitty it can go up. Six grand for a well is about average in many places.

Septic and basement excavations can vary widely. Soil conditions, access to the site, local availability, frost levels, all can change the price a lot.

Now, the cheapest thing you can add to a house is square footage. On the low end most places I see cost about $100 a square foot. That is shit tier building style though. You want a home that will last so expect to pay more. Again, the cost per square foot goes *down* the more you add. So, a 1,000 square foot house might cost $200 a square foot but a 2,000 square foot house built the same why might only cost $150 a square foot.

You might think you can do all the work yourself and save money. Well, you can, to an extent. Framing is dirt simple. Alcoholic, meth addicted, high school dropouts can do it. Pouring a concrete foundation is another matter. Sometimes the cost of even renting the tools and doing it yourself exceeds the cost of having someone do it for you.

>>1531571
I definitely intend to do some of the work myself, but for the critical things -- particularly the foundation -- I would have a contractor do the work.

My hope is to learn during the construction, and therefore be able to fix my own home in the future instead of hiring help.

>>1531512
your kids will move out, and once you die immediately sell it

>>1531582
Thanks anon.

>>1531512
Poured concrete walls, or cinderblock will give the structure permanence.

>>1531587
youre welcome :)

assholery aside, it is a possibility. People sometimes forget that their children are their own persons and they will not automatically have your values, despite your best efforts.

anyways, there's nothing wrong with stickbuilding. You could also do timber framing, the way homes used to be built. I think there's a place in Maine that teaches timber framing if you wanna learn yourself, but good luck finding a contractor that does it unless you're loaded. The biggest reason a home wouldn't last (besides lack of upkeep) would be structural issues like a shit foundation. If a homes got good bones, weather proofed right, and someone's around to work on it, it'll last. You can also get a jump on construction learning by volunteering for habitat for humanity. Anyone can do it, just latch on to whoever seems like they know what their doing.

>>1531614
It's good to get a dose of reality now and then.

And I appreciate your suggestions. I've never heard of timber framing, but I'll look into it.

>>1531534
>I would help them build their own homes on my land if they choose.
This is a common mistake that kills the "family home" meme. People buy a big chunk of land, ,kids spread out and build separate places, sibling rivalry and family spats, fences go up, life throws one or two curveballs to finish the job. Before you know it, this legacy you built is split up, and strangers own/rent most of it

I have seen this happen to at least a dozen family farms and estates

>>1531696
I'm not sure I would have it be separate parcels of land for my sons, more of a village with all the houses clustered together.

>>1531698
Gotta keep their wives and daughters close, ey Jonesy?

Check out "Justin Rhodes" & other related YouTubers on homesteading. It is quite interesting and informative

>>1531705
What's the point of having sons if they're not going to continue the family line?

>>1531587
Lock that shit in a trust and set aside another 100k in a interest bearing brokerage to cover taxes and repairs.

brick on a solid foundation, single floor, no basement, wide roof of metal or stone.
use only fireproof, rotproof materials
>but thats expensive and difficult!
yep and it’ll last forever.

>>1531780
Crawlspace?

>>1531824
>Attic
Fixed that for you.

>>1531582
Give a third part to a church and the rest to your kids
>>1531696
True, at some point it resets and someone buys everything

>>1531824
Preferably not. Nowhere vermin can access, and nowhere water can pool if (when) the foundation cracks and you get a vicious rainstorm.
t. known several ppl including myself who've gotten wet basements even in a semi-arid region, who've had to deal with digging up and replacing weeping tile, hydraulic patches on the concrete, run sump pumps, and all sorts of bullshit that just wouldn't happen without a basement.

>>1531512
I live in Serbia and my house was built in 1932 by my grandgrandfather with mud bricks and it still stands today and it's comfy
By western standards these houses are horrible, the floors are fucked up and difficult to clean, the walls and ceilings are all crooked because they are basically mud smeared over mud and then painted with lime
A house like this you can make completely by yourself. The foundation is like a dry stone wall and you can dig in making a basement (but be sure to make a water drain or you'll be swimming in it) the mud bricks are dirt cheap and for the roof and the rest of the woodwork you can source local hardwood. You'd have to buy roof tiles or other materials and bricks for the chimneys
It'd take a lot of time but it's economical

And don't split your land when you die, give all the land to one son and help the others in other ways or you can say goodbye to your dream

>>1531908
>By western standards these houses are horrible, the floors are fucked up and difficult to clean,

Please post pics and let us judge for ourselves.

>>1531909

>>1531909
The floorboards are rotting and full of centipedes

>>1531910

looks comfy and tasteful. post more pls, and maybe some exterior too.

>>1531909
I'm having a problem because my neighbors have been dumping dirt and pouring concrete around my house and now the foudation is lower than the outer level which brings watear inside the house. A tall foundation is of the greatest importance when building a house, if I were to build it again I'd make it 1meter tall

This is my current meter from ww2

>>1531914

cool. did you use your WW2 camera to take the pic as well?

Fix all the water issues and that house will never die.

>>1531915
I don't have the money to fix anything I'm barely making a living

>>1531917

>>1531918
The house must have been at least 50cm taller when it was built than here >>1531917
but the road didn't even have asphalt then
How am I supposed to fix the water damage? Even with drainage the dirt walls will always pull moisture up

>>1531512
don't even try it. your ungrateful snot nosed bastards will just sell it the second you're in the ground. that's of course assuming you're wife doesn't take it when she leaves your ass

>>1531919
>How am I supposed to fix the water damage? Even with drainage the dirt walls will always pull moisture up

Hell if I know. It would be a shame for that house to be a good house for decades and then die because of construction next door.

>>1531921
It's happening all over the country, my house isn't even that great compared to others
It wasn't even a house it was built as a bakery, the house behind it was actually the house but my grandfather inherited this one and his brother the actual house which was made of stone from ground up
Like in these pics these are works of art

>>1531924

>>1531926

>>1531926

People around here (NC) pay a lot for mexicans to build walls exactly like that one, for fireplaces and exterior walls.

>>1531920
Kek. Well, they all get a little financial relief drmuring their grieving at least. It's like starting a famiky business but you kid wants to code instead of farm untik he dies. Why keep it when you know if dad gives half a shit he would want you to be hally not burdened

>>1531913
Can you sue their ass? That's how youd fix it in the "land of the free."

>>1531882
Kek. You know what we did when my basement flooded waste high? Cut off the power, hung battery powered led lighting, and got a pool pump off craigslist. I even put a ladder in my room. When i heard noise down their I'd just throw my shorts on and climb down. It was beyond epic.

>>1531582
Came here to say this.

>>1531512
Depending on where you're located, I would most likely recommend timber framing. It looks good, you have many options available and it's the most shock-resistant form of construction that we have.
I really recommend checking out Wrath of Gnon for this.

>>1532002
I must be missing something: Wrath of Gnon just seems to be a Tumblr/Twitter/Facebook account that posts quotes?

>>1531512

Your kids don't want your house. Your kid's kids want it less. Just build something for you.

>>1532448
This is the way of thinking that is killing western society

>>1532448
All kids nowadays are moaning because they can't afford a house. Do you really think that even the possibility to sell and settle elsewhere is unwanted by any child from their parent?

What kind of relationship would you need to not want an inheritance from your parents.

>>1532817
I dunno. I hate my parent's house and definitely plan to liquidate it.

>>1532448
I guess I would hope to raise my children to appreciate a debt free life, land to live on, and with a desire to be together as a family.

>>1532448
>your kids don't want your quarter million dollar piece of property!

>just throw your shekels away on cardboard construction!

>>1532448
this, i'd prefer to build a separate house on the same property.

>>1532448
Man I'd gladly inherit my parents house, it's by the woods on a valley side overlooking a huge lake.

>>1533080
That's the plan. When my sons turn eighteen I'd help them build their own home.

>>1531574
Prep wiring and shit for the future. Your gonna want Solar power and bigger amp circuits on all your walls etc. A nice big garage/workshop/outbuilding is heavily underated.

>>1533114
you just gotta raise them right so they don't run off to some degenerate shithole city to "be independent." if i ever have a family i'm doing what your'e doing, getting a big piece of land and building my own house and then having my sons houses be on the property as well. it would be a big ass house and i'd have like 10+kids and my wife would homeschool them and not have to work. no TV's, maybe internet tho, but not for the kids until their older. i'd raise them hardcore catholic and we'd pray as a family all the time and i would never fight with their mother in front of them and i would express my love for her in front of them often.
i know i'm not really one to be giving out advice on how to raise kids, but my family is very fucked up and i can what tell the the shit that fucked me up was. to things i can say for certain are you need to be affectionate with your wife in front of the kids and you HAVE to eat dinner as a family every night. this one is huge.

the reality is that i will probably end up either old and alone, or will die via some kind of uprising by the time i hit 30 and realize i can't take this shit anymore. pic related is what the house would look like, i love houses like this

>>1531512
Unless you homeschool, and do it effectively it'll never last. One or two generations tops and your kids are gonna be "fuck this dirty old farm" and sell it for a nice car or whatever.

>>1531512
On solid ground brick is obviously the material to beat. If not then the foundation is the limiting factor any way. If concrete rot is going to eat the foundation eventually, might as well build the rest from concrete too.

Wood actually has an advantage if you can't count on the foundation for a century, if you catch subsidence you can jack it straight without too much damage. Continuous maintenance in general is what it takes to make wood last.

>>1533147
>if i ever have a family i'm doing what your'e doing, getting a big piece of land and building my own house and then having my sons houses be on the property as well.

Any man worth his salt won't live under the kindnesses of his father once grown. Best case, one child gets to carry the homestead on, but expecting all of them to do it is absurd.

OP the purpose of a homestead in current year is supposed to be independence from (((the grid))). If you don’t think you need electricity, more power to ya, but you need to be able to raise enough meat and vegetables to feed a family. Your farm should be a proper business that sells its excess produce or animals to give it the best chance of survival. The final based and redpilled level of homesteading is being genetically independent from outside the homestead. I’m talking about never having to buy seeds or fresh breeding animals again. The latter is fucking difficult with large animals like cattle, but not so much with things like chickens and rabbits. It’s not impossible to have a herd of genetically viable cattle independent from the rest of the world, it would just be very difficult compared to smaller animals that also breed more readily. It would have to be a large and diverse enough herd to be able to pick a new breeding bull out of the new calves and castrate the rest.

You obviously don’t have to go that far, but the whole point of homesteading comes down to independence, no?

What if your kids just don't reproduce because it's useless ?

>>1533272
Then the kids will die in it and the gov will sell the estate to an immigrant who has reproduced.

>>1533256
>being genetically independent from outside the homestead
thats hot

>>1531582
>what is a land trust

>>1533443
I think you need five hundred fifty people for that, anon.

>>1531517
What happened to African village anon?

>>1533553
Dysentery

>>1533522
Yeah you need about 500 individuals. But I was just talking about a genetically sustainable herd or flock of livestock, not hoomins. The most important thing is to keep impeccable studbooks.

>>1531512
Dont forget this...in a few years someone will find a relief for damaged sinew, tendons also for arthritis and osteopososis (the current one is meh)
>>1533147
If you fail make money and donate it

bump

Earthbag construction.

>>1531746
They might turn out to be special gendered and incapable of continuing the family line. Or gay, infertile or just not interested in the hassle and cost of becoming a parent. No point assuming that they'll make the choices you did, even getting a free house out of it isn't going to make them stick around if they were born with itchy feet. It's a nice idea and I wish you well but the way the world has changed, a mere dozen years after having my son, I wouldn't bring another child into it. If it turns around I can always find another fine young thing to have more kids in a couple decades. Male fertility is a wonderful thing.

>>1531915
A WW2 camera would have taken a far superior snap, but you'd have needed an extra room to develop it.

>>1534636
Maybe. But I might have a chance if I keep them out of the cancerous swamp of public school.

>>1534633
so >>1531513?

I feel like the answer is non standard housing construction.

>>1531698
My grandpa had that exact thing with his family in Vancouver. Now It's a country club.

I want the same thing you do OP, but Idk how to keep it going. I hope I can instill in my children those values of community the older generations took for granite.

>>1531722
That guy is such a cuck.

>>1534636
>the way the world has changed, a mere dozen years after having my son, I wouldn't bring another child into it.
All you're doing is making it even worse for your son when he has children. Can't fight the bad bacteria without any good.

>>1533147
This is pretty redpilled.

I have a friend who's doing something similar. Bought 30 acres in the sticks and built a house, homeschools his kids, devout Christian, not sending his daughters to college, raised his kids around animals, so they've become attached to farm animals like goats and ducks. Each of his kids could take a chicken from the yard to the table single handedly at 11yo. He's also managed to socialize them very outstandingly somehow.

He's training his eldest son to take over the family business, and he's going to help build houses for each of his kids when they grow up.

>>1535412
Based. What I hope for one day.

>>1531696
This is what happened to my dads side of the family. Great granddad bought an acreage west of Flint Michigan in the 1950s. Car plants were going to have jobs forever. Make the 'Murican dream come true. One big happy family. Arguments, nosy, bossy, and controlling siblings, rivalries, turned it into a nightmare.
Generations of the 60s and 70s said "fuck this silly shit, we outta here". Abandon Grandpas dream. Car industry collapses, no jobs, no nothing. Only people left living there are aging family members in their 70s and 80s.Still hate each other, but can't sell property because no one wants to live in abandoned industrial shithole, no matter how nice it is. Boomers, zoomers, genX, millennial generations scattered all over USA. Educated, successful, have their own lives. Consider great grandpas dream to be quaint, and old fashioned, but glad they aren't part of some strange conservative, control freak, cult clan in the back water rust belt.
Remember, your dreams aren't gonna be the same as your kids.

>>1534633
That plastic won't last and the earth will make a nice place for fungi.

>>1535839
Sad to think that this is probably true.

>>1532825
>moaning because they can't afford a house
*moaning because they can't afford a house where they want to live
ftfy

Everyone wants to live in the city and experience the hipster faggot life, supply meets demand by the horns, gets gored, and now everyone is trying to drink what blood is still dripping from its corpse.

>>1535839
>meanwhile living in country ruled by people whose great great great grandparents settled in some out of the way little village called Westchester to get away from the big city.

>>1535934
in America all the whites move somewhere then the non-whites follow and ruin the area so the whites leave and the cycle starts anew, they just chase each other around constantly and won't change until freedom of association is legal (white communities only)

it props up the housing prices though :D

>>1533256
>The final based and redpilled level of homesteading is being genetically independent from outside the homestead.
banjo music intensifies

>>1533147
go into construction and spend like an hour a day studying how to build houses. If you're consitent, in like 1-2 years you can achieve this very easy. The problem is creating and sticking to a plan.

>>1536093
working on getting my electrician's license first. then i'm thinking once i get that, i find a carpenter to work for where i make a deal with him that i'll work for real cheap and wire all the houses we put up so i can get the experience which is what i care about more

>>1533147
I love how naive some people are. You can't plan your children's lives into adulthood. It doesn't matter what values you try to instill into them, they are their own person. It's even more laughable when you try and use religion to make it work.

>Small midwestern town
>Go to small Lutheran church growing up, probably about 100 members
>Pastor, wife, and three kids
>Perfect little family
Jump ahead a decade
>Oldest daughter works as an assistant manager at a Dollar Tree, she is the sucessful one in the family
>Middle daughter who lucked out by being pretty damn hot, she sucks dick for money and has at least 3 kids
>Youngest son is a fucking psychopath, like really. I have no idea what happened to him but he was institutionalized for killing and torturing animals.

One of my best friends growing up
>Family is like a fucking episode of Seventh Heaven, dad has a good paying job, mom stays at home and teaches piano
>My friend is the youngest, he's a youth minister now and doing pretty well, total hipster.
>Middle daughter actually lives a few miles away from me now. She married a pretty well off guy and works at home doing etsy/pinterest shit.
>Oldest daughter addicted to meth and moved to Texas to be with her racially ambiguous boyfriend.

I've got more examples of kids from "good" families doing stupid shit and ruining their lives. I have a ton of examples of kids from average or "good" families just moving away to do their own thing or to pursue a job or significant other or just to get away from their family.

>>1535939
The issue is that all the white yuppies and liberals want to live in "cool" and "edgy" areas and gentrify it. The non-whites then get forced out because no money and have to move to regular middle class neighborhoods. The whites then feel that their neighborhood is shitty and move to the now gentrified neighborhoods. The yuppies and liberals see that their neighbors are white and fuck that milktoast bullshit.

It's cute that you think there will ever be a law allowing white only communities. The only way for that is to become rich enough to live in a community that black people couldn't dream of affording. I mean sure, you might get Will Smith next door but that nigger is whiter than me. The other option is just moving to rural Montana or Kansas. Those hicks have never seen a nigger outside of the picture box.

>doing some work on a house my great-uncle built
>drilling into the exterior wall
>drill won't fucking drill, was like I'd hit nails in every hole
>cut away a little of the siding to have a look
>find steel plate
>talk to gramps
>"oh yeah, I sheathed the whole house in 16 gauge steel when I built it"
one day I aspire to build a house half as solid as the ones he's built.

>>1536153
>raising your children to be Christian
There's the problem.

>>1535939
You've got that backwards, hoss.
Learn what gentrification is.

>>1535920
I just payed 135k for a 1600 sqft 3br 2ba farmhouse in the middle fucking nowhere, and I was lucky.
A friend of my grandma passed away, grandma told me his house was going up for sale. I got there literally 2 days after he passed, it wasn't even on the market yet, and someone had bought it outright for 95k, cash. Overpayed by ~25k.

The housing market is absolutely fucked right now, at least in the midwest. Around where I am, prices have gone up ~20% in the last 8 months. A lot of millennials straight up cannot afford a house, and won't be able to until after the upcoming economic crash.

>>1536153
>midwest
>protestant
well there's your problem

>>1536153
I don't want to force my children into anything. But I want to give them options.

If they wish to go to school, or move into the city, I will help them as much as I can. But I do not have the money, nor the inclination, to pay for it. What I can do is teach them as best I can, and help them build a home if they want it.

>>1536164
>Raising your kids to be godless degenerates
Enjoy your son turning gay and your daughter bringing home a pack of apes

>>1536174
>>1536262
Here's a question: why is Christianity so anemic? Most today just seem to be mewling hypocritical weaklings.

>>1536269
Oh what, you don't think atheists and muslims aren't one and the same?
Here's a tip; strongly religious people are usually betas because they need a movement to latch on to.

>>1536269
most christians are just moralistic therapeutic deists these days. all protestants are heretics and their whole entire perception of christianity is founded on hypocrisy. with catholics, the problem is that we've let the protestants fuck up our worldview, they've tainted our perception of christ with theirs, they're dragging us down to hell with them. i mean, they run the fucking culture, this is bound to happen. and of course there is the jewish influence on society as well, which the protestants fully support.

tldr; we should've burned every single protestant at the stake when we had the chance

>>1536269
I blame large churches for a lot of it. I'm not religious, but I still think religion has its place in society, at least for a while yet.
Nondenominational churches with large congregations are the Walmart of spirituality. All they offer is complacency. I mean, have some fuckin pride in your particular sect, folks.
Just look at the dudes who head those places. They all look and act like a beige cardigan given sentience.

>>1536290
I guess that's fair. Sad though

>>1536290
I think Christians, Muslims and Jews are 3 faces of the same coin. Be a Zoroastrian, that's the "pagan" base of most modern religion. Or be a Buddhist, they don't feel the need to conquer or convert their neighbours and perceived inferiors, though it doesn't guarantee you'll be any nicer. Religion rarely changes people for the better.

>>1536262
You worship a jewish deity who demands you eat his flesh and blood and that you love him above your family. You must grovel and die and nothing more for his "blessing". To your god, all humans are equally chattel.
Except before he sent his son to be mutilated, he viewed all non-jews as soulless animals who exist for the sole purpose to be used by his chosen race.
All Christians are fundamentally broken. You moral foundation is so weak and detestable. It's no wonder most devout Christians are zionists who adopt niglets. The only thing Christians seem to get right is hating homos, but that is literally it.

You wonder why your children leave you and don't give a shit about the home you built, here's why. They don't have a respect for anything because you yourself don't actually have a respect for anything. Why would they stay if groveling in heaven is all that matters? Why would they work if all that is required of them is to "believe", why would they care about their own family when you are no different than any other human on the planet? Why would they stay with you when the easiest path to redemption is by converting and supporting third world scum?

>>1536386
Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all the same Abrahamic trash. These religions are only compatible with sand dwelling semites, not Europeans... or anyone else for that matter.

>>1536386
There were Buddhist empires in India, you know...

>>1536386
You don't need to adhere to any specific religion, just venerate your ancestors and respect nature and the natural laws of the universe, which can include some sort of deity or higher intelligence.
Or just go full pagang and modify your worship rituals to fit your own spirituality.
My great grandmother taught us about earth gods/goddesses and other creatures beyond our perception. I mean in the old-world style way, not faggot hippie shit.
Humans have to believe in something greater than themselves to emulate. Modern religions are shit at giving you an ideal, since most simply require blind faith and worship and nothing about accountability, advancement or self-actualization.

>>1536301
Did you pay your pedo apologist pope for your indulgence this week?

>>1538154

>>1531512
If you can fit it into budget I'd suggest insulated concrete form construction.

>>1536394
You're still dumb enough to think there is mention able biological differences between people of Europe and the Middle East. You should go read a text book and look at studies done comparing peoples of these two regions.

>>1538163
There are plenty of books with studies that blow that egalitarian crap right out of the water. There is absolutely an argument to be made and telling people they are dumb and need to read whatever books you choose for them is pretentious as fuck.

>>1536301
Shut up and eat another pasta roll, Giuseppe. Christianity introduced jewish influence to the rest of Europe, the parts that actually matter.

>>1531512
This is also my goal.

>>1536301
yeah m8 im sure jesus approves of the faction infighting burning people alive business, keep thinking like that freak

>>1532416
The twitter account (at least, idk about the others) posts a lot of architecture and stuff

>>1536269
Christianity in the west isn't Christianity. Prots at best are nestorian shitheads. At worst, somewhere between gnostics and literal demon worshippers. Pre-vatican 2 (and vatican 1, imo) Catholics are alright for the most part. I disagree with their theology, but they're at least consistent about it.

>>1536160
You've got it backwards. Blacks metastasize outwards from the ghettos driving down property values. Whites move away. Jews come in, buy for rock bottom prices and push the blacks out. Then they flip it, gentrify the area and sell it back to whites for double the price

>>1536386
>Or be a Buddhist, they don't feel the need to conquer or convert their neighbours and perceived inferiors
Tell that to the Rohingya and Uyghurs, and the many people's and religions they genocided and forced converted over the millenia. Hell, some of their first victims were actual atheistic religions.

>>1536301
30 years war when?

>>1531561
You think your future generations will get jobs in the country? The issue with a generational home is that unless you’re a timber Barron or something, those kids are going to have to work at some point and rural America has limited possibilities. What’s your plan for keeping the family together?

>>1536301
>another Catholic who calls out the Jewish influence in Protestantism and yet is oblivious to the Jewish influence in Catholicism
Denouncing empathy seems to be your strong suit, given how you've already condemned so many "Christians" that barely differ from you in the first place to death in your head. You know shockingly little about Christ. You don't think you're Jewish as well? Then what's with the Tanakh as 1/2 of your holy book? What's with the Vatican™'s relationship with Jews? Why are you so hostile and criticizing of other religions, while you believe in something so nonsensical as transubstantiation? What's with your blind acceptance of the words of (((Saul of Tarsus))), do you even read your own holy book? And above all, what's with your inexcusably Jewish prostration to the demiurge, a god who offers salvation in exchange for your subservience?

>>1539919
>being gnostic
>calling anyone else a jew
I admire the chutzpah, schlomo

>>1540067
>implying
Oh, you must have quite the explanation for this. I'm sorry, could you please get Yahweh's feet out of your mouth so I can understand you better?

>>1531512
I'm late to the thread but my suggestion would be to look for land with timber and a good water source. White pine, fir, etc. You can then buy a used or new bandsaw mill and cut all your own wood to timber frame your house. It is labor intensive but much lower cost for a high quality end product. A bandsaw mill can also be used to build sheds/barns for livestock. Designing a grey water system and using a composting toilet can eliminate some cost in regards to septic. Heat with a wood stove. Depending on climate you will need to invest in insulation.

You could also look into straw bale built homes if lumber is not an option.

>>1531582
usually this i'm afraid
you may want to put the land and home into a Trust that makes it so they cant ever sell it, trade it or tear it down or whatever

>>1532002
looks like Stardew Valley

>>1539915
I don't want to force my kids to live with me. But I do want to give them the option to build their own homes. I certainly intend to live in a place where jobs are available.

>>1531512
>I want something to be multi-generational
>I don't trust my descendants to have the competence to maintain a structure
... ?

>>1536224
>But I want to give them options.
This.
Growing up, how many hundreds of times did you want to do something, only for it to be impossible because your family lacked the capacity for it? It's hard to be creative (in a way that is appealing to boys) when your family lacks: garage, lathe, mill, chisels, a backyard larger than your house, greenhouse, electronic components, etc . Kids ask for a lot of dumb shit, no parent who raises a child properly gives them even half of what they ask for (at least not until they are older and their requests become more reasonable and have less of an impact on their personalities). No one buys a lathe for their kid.


When the questions of food, housing, and future are already settled, suddenly "I want a lathe, but it would be irresponsible to get a lathe" becomes "I want a lathe, I am going to get a lathe". Bing-bang-boom, now the family has access to a lathe.

>>1535412
Friends with Joel Salatin then? Tbh his books should be required reading for homesteaders.

>>1540212
I just want to build a home that is designed to last for more than twenty years. What's so strange about that?

>>1540356
>What's so strange about that?
That you think lumber framed houses can't do that. Are you chinese or some other variant of non-white/non-asiatic?

>>1540368
Yeah. I'm Chinese American. I want to start a homestead here to secretly spread my Asian genes throughout rural America

>>1531559
Where tf do you live m8? Here in NH you can find tens of acres of woodland for as low as 10k

>>1531522
Jesus Christ. No. Are you being serious? You're talking about liquid, and not the loan amount right?

>>1540707
No. I don't want to be in debt for the rest of my life.

>>1536262
>not christian so they must be godless
Proud Heathen homesteader here. Get fucked.

May the mighty Mjölnir nail the bleeding
And naked Nazarene upon the pagan planks
Pound in the painful nails now and hang him high and dry

>>1540729
Dude, a shitty, no-frills salt box starts at $200,000. If there was any time to take out a loan for personal finance, it's home ownership. You're delusional.

>>1540808
Sounds a little gay desu senpai

>>1540812
To add to this, we did a home this year knowing the local market being a bunch of cheap hicks, and did a slam-out, stripped-down version of our most popular basic house, and it came in at $213,000 after lot. This is just material and labor, at contractor prices and not retail. To reiterate, you're delusional. At some point, even taking away everything you can to make it cheaper, a toilet still costs as much as a toilet. You're that annoying customer that comes to open house and wants to buy a $400k home with $100k asking price, and thinks I'm some kind of used car salesman who thinks he has a rube. Actually, that's exactly you, because what you're asking for would start at $400k without the damn dream world guesthouse.

>>1540909
I guess prices don't change based on region? Good to know.

>>1540963
They do, but not that much. You're maybe looking at 25% deviation, and I'm in a kind of hick area. Not rural, but not metropolitan by any sense. If anything, those would cost more because of scarcity or living cost, respectively. But what I mean is that a water heater costs as much as a water heater, a well costs as much as a well, and a sink costs as much as a sink. It's not like you can just magic-up a cheap house, and I'm talking from being the general contractor and not the buyer, so it's virtually /diy/ prices plus labor.

>>1540967
What's the likelihood of doing a fair chunk of the work myself? Hiring a contractor to do some of the critical tasks like the foundation, and then working with the subcontractors to reduce some of the labor.

>>1540968
I guess that all depends on what your skillset and timeframe are to answer that question. I mean, even something like finish electrical (putting the boxes on and hanging the fixtures) an electrician crew could slam out in a day and a homeowner could doddle on for a month.

>>1540978
Time isn't a huge factor, but I want to build it right and well. I guess it'll depend on finding contractors in the area.

>>1540987
Honestly, you should shop home builders in the area and get a loan. It's much less of a headache, but if you want to subcontract everything while paying the taxes and interest, or are fine with the project stalling out halfway through because you don't have the funds, then more power to you. Because you don't have the capital for more than a small cabin, and don't have the connections to do it on the cheap, and that's all I'm seeing right here.

>>1540992
I'm a surveyor, so I'm not without connections in that area of endeavour. I'm also not married to one course of action or another, so I'll look into a loan.

>>1540995
Well guess you got the connections covered, although in this seller's market there are a lot of cowboys out there in stark contrast to the post 2008 drip. But I just want to reiterate that for the bare basics, $200k would be on the very lowest end. Get an actual plan on the table, as in blueprints, because you can't get purchase orders let alone bids without even knowing what you're building. I highly recommend loan shopping, and paying it smartly instead of being thick-headed. This isn't a car, this is real estate.

>>1541004
Two hundred grand even for a simple four-corner non-custom home?

>>1541037
Yes. Did you not see my post here?
>>1540909
That was the most basic-bitch home we've ever made, and still was $213k. Without a septic system or well either, and from what I gather you're rural, so add at least 40k to that.

>>1541049
To some people "basic bitch" implies different standards.

>>1541059
To some people, they don't know what in God's name they're talking about. Lots of carpet instead of hard surfaces, no custom painting, no drywall flourishes like basic layers, curtains, or differing corner beads, no space heaters, laminate countertops, no finished basement, nothing. Like I said, at some point a stud costs as much as a stud, and a piece of sheetrock costs as much as a piece of sheetrock. Don't hate the playa.

>>1531722
He's an inspiration and has some smart ideas, but his main thing isn't being informative.

Also he's so clickbaity.

>>1531517
Move to africa? There problem solved on your quest to become a homesteader on the swewengo

>>1541461
Yeah but I want my children to grow up around good white Christian folk

>>1536301
>>1533147
Based catholics, Deus spes nostra

>>1541506
Move to Eastern Europe and embrace your inner Slav.

>>1541564
Tempting

>>1535939
>it props up the housing prices though :D
Which is why it happens. Certain """forces""" cause the white communities to have to take in non-whites, thus initiating the cycle, and basically causing financial efficiency, as the old houses are sold at less than market, or even at a loss, so people can escape the ghetto. It's a wonderful, perfectly legal scheme if you are in cahoots with the government to drop ni-....um, "disadvantaged peoples" into "privileged" areas. Such a predictable and profitable source of income.

>>1531517
You will soon.

>>1540073
based gnostic anon

I'm looking into some homesteading communities to move to, so I can get some experience doing it and live cheap while I save for my own land.

>>1540397
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NmlG1FMiP4

>>1540967
try a 1000% deviation faggot.

>>1541004
Good to know that general contractors are assholes wherever you go

>>1541655
More like sick of people with no money wanting the moon, and looking at you like scheister for telling htem the facts. A little different than someone who just wants revisions or everything just so, because these chucklefucks are quite literally wasting both of yours and their time. We can give you a home for probably less than if you subcontracted it yourself, just for having business connections and returning customer prices.

>>1541564
>Slavsgoloids
>good folk

Funny

>tfw my grandparents built a 4 story Victorian generational homestead on 110 acres
>tfw I lived there for 5 years taking care of the property after my grandfather passed
>grandma died
>none of the children want it
>none of the grandchildren can afford it *yet*
>this is pain

>>1544183
Why don't you take it if no one else wants it?

>>1544183
claim that shit man

>>1532828
My parents are destitute meth addicts. They'll be passing on their debt to society.
I plan on paying it.

>>1532817
What's killing Western society is the kind of thinking that presumes children are just a method of functional immortality: extensions of one's own personal individual being. This is self-obsessed narcissism to the extreme.

Your children are not smaller versions of you. They are not your clones. They are individuals themselves.

>>1545082
I assume you are drawing upon different experiences. Western people are unconcerned with any kind immortality and barely have children.

>>1545138
The experience is the same as expressed in the post I responded to: the growing self-obsession and narcissism of Western civilization. I just disagreed on how it expresses itself. Expecting your children to share any other part of your own individual self besides the purely genetic is the height of narcissism.

>>1545082
>Your children are not smaller versions of you.
That's really odd, because with absolutely zero pressure or instruction I became a smaller version of my father. And when I grew up I became a larger version of my father. There is a reason that engineering and science follow family lines, interests and aptitudes are primarily genetic.

>They are not your clones.
You know that it is possible for your offspring to be upwards of 75% genetically similar to you, right? In-fact, outside of probability, nothing prohibits you from having a child that is 99% genetically similar. The X% similar is only in terms of possible differences, not in terms of all non-universal genetics. If your parents are from the same ethnic group, you are substantially more similar to them than then if they were not.
>tl;dr
You are more likely to be more similar to one of your parents than you are to be more similar to one of your siblings, baring a large number of siblings.

>They are individuals themselves.
Yes. Individuals to be guided. Letting little jimmy play with crayons when he should be practicing calc 3 is not doing him any favors.

>>1545345
>My experience is everyone's experience

So you're admitting that 100% genetic similarity is not possible given two parents? So you're actually saying that there is no way a child can be a clone of their parents?

So they are different people, with different life experiences and genetics, but you should guide them to be just like you, because you're so awesome? Can you be any more narcissistic?

>>1545353
This is a really sad perspective. It isn't right to force your children down a certain path: that will certainly had to unhappiness. But it's also wrong not to give structure and guidance to them -- especially when they're very young. That's not narcissism, it's parenting.

>>1545365
Which in no way guarantees that they will either want to, or be able to, inherit a homestead.

It's the same narcissistic mentality as wanting to your stuff to be buried or burned along with you.

>>1545353
>So you're admitting that 100% genetic similarity is not possible given two parents?
no, just fairly unlikely.

>So you're actually saying that there is no way a child can be a clone of their parents?
No.

>So they are different people, with different life experiences
Yes.

>and genetics
Technically

>you should guide them to be just like you, because you're so awesome?
Yes.

>Can you be any more narcissistic?
Yes.


Anon, you sound like a faggot. You are a faggot.

>>1545379
what kind of fucking retard are you, god damn

>>1545379
>Wanting to provide financial security for your children is narcissistic
Whatever you say, anon.

>>1545365
Not sure what post you read, but I didn't say anything about guidance, or parenting.

>>1545381
>...fairly unlikely

That implies that it's somewhat likely. Please, how likely is it, exactly, that a child can share 100% of one parent's genetics?

>>1545392
>financial security
>spending both the money you could have left for them, and the time you could have spent earning more money to leave them, on a huge stupid eyesore "homestead" that nobody except you cares about and that your children will likely sell for less than its construction cost to be bulldozed so someone else can use the land differently
Narcissistic AND dumb as all fuck.

>>1545393
>Please, how likely is it, exactly, that a child can share 100% of one parent's genetics?

For any normal fertilization it is not going to happen.

>>1545403
>Having a home is worthless
Being a dumbfuck like this is why you don't take drugs, kids

>>1545407
It's NEVER going to happen, it's genetically impossible for a child to share 100% of a parent's genes. Even identical twins aren't 100% genetically identical. This is basic science.

Again, your children are not your clones.

>>1545403
Why would they bulldoze the homestead when there a few hundred acres open to use?
Sounds to me like you're a bitter faggot whose parents didn't leave him a homestead.

>>1545415
>hur durr, non-coding regions and mitochondrial dna are different
No one cares.

>>1545414
So you wouldn't mind your kids selling the homestead, which you built intending for it to stay in the family, for its objective financial worth?

>>1545418
>Why would they bulldoze the homestead
Why wouldn't they? Because you wouldn't? Assuming an awful lot there, bucko.

>>1545418
My granddad owned a two-masted, thirty-foot ketch. A really nice boat, we all grew up sailing on it. When he died, he willed it to the family, but neither my parents nor my aunts or uncles could afford the objective financial upkeep, despite all of us placing high sentimental value on it. So we regretfully sold it and divvied up the money.

Now imagine if we had all hated the boat and placed no sentimental value on it whatsoever, even though my granddad did.

Sentimental value is subjective. Building something that you expect to stay in the family is an exercise in narcissism. Don't get attached to things as if they were as important as people.

>>1545419
You failed biology, didn't you

>leaving a home to your family is bad
some of you faggots will take the contrary stance on literally anything, won't you

>>1545449
Leaving a "house" to your family is no better or worse than leaving any other piece of property to them.

Expecting that they're gonna do with it exactly what you would is the stupid part.

Also, by the time you die, you should have had grandchildren possibly great-grandchildren, and they can't all live in a single house and probably don't want to anyway.

>>1545449
Leaving
>property
to your family is fine.

Expecting that they're gonna put exactly the same subjective sentimental value on it as you do and treasure it forever is the stupid part.

>>1545457
>>1545460
you're both actually autistic aren't you?

>>1545471
You have to get laid to have kids, anon. Try to work on that before you go building houses.

>>1545457

A real /diy/ family man would add on so all the kids and grandkids can live close, like they did back when life was good.

>>1545475
*distant banjo music*

>>1545472
oh wow man good one
fuckin hell you're stupid

>>1545546
I know you are but what am I

>>1532448
I wish I wanted my parents house

>>1536262
It must be nice to remain so naive about your jewish faith.

>>1531512
Fieldstone and mortar will outlast everything if properly cared for.

>>1535839
>Boomers, zoomers, genX, millennial generations scattered all over USA. Educated, successful, have their own lives
why do I not believe this

>>1531512
Log cabin.
Theres log cabins in sweden thats older then the US of A.
Just do it right and it will last for generations. 10/10 insulation too.

>>1531969
Hes gonna dig up the AK-47 buried in the garden and sue em that way.

>>1531512
There are some prefab builders that frame in steel. Prefab has a bad rep (muh mobile home) but I've seen some gorgeous buildings.
150k is pretty low for the budget, though. Just prepping the land and getting a well dug will be a big chunk of that, plus running utilities, installing septic, etc. If you dont need to live in it right now maybe do it incrementally. Buy the land and start making improvements when you can.

>>1531512
Use stone.

>>1534636
They always turn around for someone like you im sure

>>1545403
>living in italy, catholic parents, two siblings
>parents work their ass off, own a big pharmacy
>parents invest in their kids education, I'm going for engineering, my mom wanted my pharmacist but is happy nontheless
>the other money gets invested in property, they own three houses in our city, other three in some of the most expensive holiday locations in italy
>their kids will build upon and grow on their inheritance
and a retarded faggot calls them narcissistic and dumb

>>1541065

How many square feet is your bare bones house? How much lot? I see Habitat for Humanity take existing home lots (in the now hood) split them into 2x or 3x lots and build houses that look in size much like the post WWII suburbia house - but with (I assume) much better energy efficiency.

I get the feeling that most (for profit) builders don't build down to a price point with small houses and lots because there is no money there, but I am not in the business.

Don't get me wrong, I find Habitat for Humanity sketchy as fuck, but what they are building seems very different than what others build.

How did old timber framers (pre-dimensional lumber) dry their tree sized lumber before modern commercial drying kilns? Reading a little about DIY milling you're looking at quite a lengthy time to dry out even small hand planed pieces, how long would one have to wait for a whole log to dry out? Is there less warping when you have roughly square shaped beams of that size?

>>1545429
>but neither my parents nor my aunts or uncles could afford the objective financial upkeep, despite all of us placing high sentimental value on it
Yeah right. If your entire extended family was so poor that they were unable to share the boat and the costs.
Or your family just diddn't gave as much of a fuck about it as you did and only saw the short term money

Eitherway something already went wrong and your grandfather failed in bringing them up worth anything.

>>1550572
framing with timbers was more often done green.

>>1536407
This makes me miss my big ol wood grain Zenith Tele

>>1531512
>A stick built home doesn't seem like it would last.

NOTHING WRONG with stick framing, but current yank homes arent even that, they have more glue than wood in it.

for other principles of a reliable build, consult pic rel

yours trully

Humble croatian red aerated terracota brick salesmen

>>1531927
>>1531926
>>1531924
these are beautiful! that country? balkan area?

>>1550572
>How did old timber framers (pre-dimensional lumber) dry their tree sized lumber before modern commercial drying kilns?
>>1550921
>framing with timbers was more often done green.

I dont think that they dried them as much as we do today, trick was in timing of cutting them down when the grain was thicker - according to full Moon to take them down with less water in it. Tree grains moves like the water current.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3VS5N-EHrM

You can't guarantee it, OP. Generations move around more and more each one, they want to explore the world and that will take them away from you.

Build a house for yourself and make it nice. Even if they do end up living elsewhere, the money from its sale will go to them.

A massiv clay structure isn't as bad at it sounds. You have a giant thermal mass which also absorbs radiation, it's pretty cost effective, you can partially redesign it if needed and repairing it is as easy as playing with mud. It's also fire/sound proof, can be easily insulated with natural materials and regulates/filters the humidity/air quality. With a lime facade it is also rain/water proofed. Several floors is also possible.
Just the walls are pretty thick with at least 60-80cm, which can be a downside for some people and the roof should at least overhang a meter.