/diy/ - Do It Yourself

>>1498171
I don't know but Lowe's is usually a little cheaper than Homo Despot on the exact same shit where I live

>>1498171
how would they do that?

>>1498171
Lowes is not as common as home depot where I live.
They are more comfy generally.
I hope I can go to a Lowes soon.

>>1498174

you idiot, home depot will match lowe's price and beat it by 10%

>>1498176
I wish we could trade places. I'm in Arkansas the birth place of fucking wal-mart and they have a deal with lowe's.. so no home depot for many miles

>>1498174
>I don't know but Lowe's is usually a little cheaper than Homo Despot on the exact same shit where I live

Home Depot is way cheaper than Lowe's where I live.

And Lowe's can match and beat by 10% but the process is kinda complicated, and takes too much time for what it's worth.

>>1498200
S'Lowe in Hot Springs has to be the worst.

Lowes > Homeless Dipshit, at least in my area. They have actually employees in them. And they keep their shit in stock.

It varies a lot by location though. Whoever has the monopoly in your local area will be the shittier one, guarunteed.

>>1498633
I'm up in bentonville

Lowe's employee here. I give out discounts on the reg because I hate my job and this company. Hope the stock keeps tanking and the company sells to Amazon.

Blue store bad

>>1498171
I don't think so, however I dont really know desu...last shit I bought at Lowe's was a Bosch 12v drill/driver combo kit that was cheaper than either of them separately...I already had the 12v angle driver, so now I have the 3 tools, two chargers and 4 batteries...
And I still rock my Makita 18v drill/driver combo I bought at Home Despot...10 years ago...

>>1498174
Home Depot seems to be cheaper for most stuff I go there for.

Home Depot is where dudes go when they need to get shit done. Lowe’s is where you bring your wife to pick out a new vanity.

There have been a couple things I ended up at Lowe’s for because Home Depot didn’t have it. Some of the larger Lowes have a better tool selection than Home Depot. Wanted a clamp meter that could read DC and Home Depot didn’t have one so I ended up getting a Southwire from Lowe’s.

>>1498651
Yeah, at least I can make the drive to Benton or Little Rock and go to Home Depot and save money and headaches. .

>>1498189
I already get 10% off at lowes

>>1498171
Can you translate that into English, I don't speak retard.

>>1498714
Found the Lowes customer.

Home Depot has sunk to new lowes if they are paying people to shill on this board

>>1498677
Small, at least kinda expensive stuff should be bought online, it's cheaper.

>>1498750
I looked around, it was all about the same unless you want a chink brand. Coming from a guy who bought Harbor Freight calipers, I’m trying to go with a known beand when it comes to measuring tools.

The Klein I was looking at was about the same anywhere you looked, but they only carried the cheaper models in store. I like buying at a brick and mortar place so I can fingerfuck it a bit before I drop money on it, and then I can return it easily if I destroy it in a week. So I found the Southwire at Lowe’s for like $80 and grabbed it.

If I saw a meter in the store for $120, played around with it, then saw it was $75 online from a reputable seller with a good return policy, then I would order it.

>>1498176
>Lowes is not as common as home depot where I live.
>They are more comfy generally.
>I hope I can go to a Lowes soon.

They are closing stores, Home Depot is kicking their shit in

>>1498781
2 or 3 years ago, they opened tons of those Orchard Supply stores around me. Literally 6 of them within a 30min drive.

There’s a whole lot of slightly used retail space for lease now.

>>1498762
cheap tools are all chinkshit, no matter where you get them from. you're just overpaying for the same tools if you get them from a physical store.

I feel sorry for y'all if you don't have a local Menards. They always have the obscure shit I can never find at Lowe's or HD: drywall shims, the electric boxes that screw into studs from the inside, way larger variety of s4s boards that are all individually vacuum sealed, just to name a few. Plus you can buy groceries there and everything is generally cheaper.

>>1498883
Back before Lowe’s was even around, it was Home Depot and Menards. Everybody I knew would only go to Menards because Home Depot was for the spics. Lowe’s wasn’t even in the conversation.

Now the nearest Menards is 4 states away.

Anyway have you fags seen the new Craftsman power tools at Lowe’s? The kits cost as much as DeWalt or Milwaukee. Why would you ever buy those?

>>1498893
>Back before Lowe’s was even around, it was Home Depot and Menards

Maybe in your area, but Lowe's hardware goes back to 1921 with the second store in 1929, while the first Home Depot opened in 1979.

In the area where I currently live, for a few years it was comical. The first huge store was a Hechinger, which lasted a few years, until they built an HQ a mile down the road and the Hechinger closed. then they built a Home Depot another mile down the road and the HQ closed. Then they built a huge Lowes another fucking mile down the road to replace the old small Lowes, and I assumed the Home Depot would disappear, but that was many years ago and they both still thrive.

>>1498893

lol. I had my custom CSS turned on to hide trips, and after I corrected your nonsense it occurred to me that your post sounded like the resident retard/expert, so I turned the CSS off and HA AHAHA AHAHAHA HAHAHAA.

you never disappoint, friend.

>>1498901
Yeah this was Chicago area. I’m trying to think, the first Lowe’s I remember in the area was around 2000. They opened in the old K-Mart building.

We also had a Sears Hardware for a few years. That store was actually sweet. It was like a big Ace Hardware, good size selection of tools and garden stuff, but without all the building supplies like Home Depot. I guess like an Orchard without the goofy bullshit. And it was a couple blocks from my house which was real nice. But it shut down within 5 years.

>>1498902
I aim to please

rona was the most based hardware store before lowes bought them

>enters thread.
welp.
>leaves thread

>>1498893
>Anyway have you fags seen the new Craftsman power tools at Lowe’s? The kits cost as much as DeWalt or Milwaukee. Why would you ever buy those?

Why would you continue to buy Craftsman hand tools?
Because idiots throw money at them

there is like a 15 miles radius RING home depots so unless I want to drive like 45 min in any direction it's lowes for me

there's always a huge fucking line at the wood cutting station too and it takes fucking forever for some reason I think because faggots give them exact measurements. like do you want them to just build the whole fucking shed for you too?

Once upon a time...

>>1498962
>Buying lumber at home depot
Compact car owner detected

>>1498954
ace is for niggers.

kelly farm and garden/agway for life.

>>1498883

the shit they sell is garbage bought a window ac unit didn't work at all right out of the box ,returned it for another an took in home put it in an this time it turned on and the fan work but the compressor didn't kick in
i took it back and got my money back.went to Bestbuy and bought an LG unit

then i buy a shower spout with the pull up shower diverter take it home put it on the dam pull up divert doesn't even seal in the spout , so i take it back an get another an it does the same thing , i go get one from home depot $8 more an that one works 1st time

>>1498959
I would never buy the hand tools at full price considering the COO and the fate of Craftsman, but they’re pretty good for the money when you find deals for 50%+ off.

The power tools though, it’s a brand new line with an unknown future and cost as much as the contractor grade brands. Hell, C3 tools are still more expensive than Ryobi. And with power tools, it’s kinda important to have product support when you want a new battery or possibly a replacement part.

>>1499147
Opinion disregarded.

>>1498994
Drop the back seat and I can get an 8 ft board into my compact.

>>1499154
>he respects opinions and advice given on 4chan
Good luck friendo

>>1499157
I got a couple 4’x8’ sheets in my small SUV but I couldn’t see out of the passenger side mirror. I have a roof rack and ratchet straps when that fails.

>>1498893
Here's a hint: Dewalt and Craftsman are the same shit with different colors.

>>1499464

I order most of my shit from a whole list of obscure little online tool shops who are all cheaper than one another for certain products and usually are cheap or free to ship.

Big box stores are a meme for anything except big, bulky, but overall cheap stuff like raw materials - and even then their selection is usually both shit and overpriced.

>>1499466
Checked and my apologies.

>>1498171

They're like Costco: full of mediocre crap with some really good deals mixed in for people who know what they're doing.

>>1499464
You think it’s DeWalt or Porter Cable? I know it’s all SB&D, but what tier are they trying to fill?

>>1499468
I'm calling bullshit. Small online tool sites are always more expensive. Provide some examples - go ahead, I'll wait

>>1499001
Ace in my area is just old people and guys like me who need a single obscure nut.

>>1499612
What are you trying to imply with that image? The expensive one is a totally different item:
1) has a brushless motor
2) has a hammerdrill function
3) comes with 2 batteries instead of 1 (and both batteries are more powerful than the 1 that comes with the cheaper model)
4) comes with a case
5) is more compact in size
6) even comes with a fucking belt clip, bitch

>>1499640
Do they want them in workshops or jobsites? Why would you buy Craftsman for your garage when you could get a much better deal on trusted Ryobi? If you needs something for the jobsite, why would you spend DeWalt or Milwaukee money on the stuff?

Porter Cable quality with DeWalt pricing and that trusted* Craftsman name!

I’m sure they’re fine tools, I was just suprised to see the prices on a lot of the stuff.

>>1499650
Isn't it obvious they're catering to retarded "diy" homeowners and "contractors" who don't know a fucking thing besides the name?

>>1499720
Kek, that is true of most Craftsman stuff. It’s not bad homeowner tier, but definitely not worth paying full retail. I maintain that most of it is a good buy if you can catch it on sale for 50%+ off like Sears so often does. At those prices, it’s close to HF but the products are normally better. The power tools never seem to go as low as the hand tools though.

Lowes has better products (more reliable, better built) as far as rough plumbing and rough electric.
Lumber is culled more thoroughly and generally better than the Depot.
Yeah, it's probably more friendly for the women folk too.
And it's not fucking orange with shitty Home Depot theme music playing in background.
Home Depot. crams their shelfs full and do not thoroughly check whether another box has been shoved in place of another.
Many times, at the Depot, I find common, necessary items are out of stack.
Two inch coupling... How the fuck are you out of two inch couplings...
Anyway, going to the Depot is always a desperation move.

>>1498651
Cabot has a Home Depot as well

>>1498994
i bought cheap roof rails, feels dangerous but so empowering

Lowes and Home Depot are 3 blocks from my house in opposite directions. I go to Home Depot on the reg, the staff all knows me, it's comfy and friendly and full of tradesmen doing work. I've been to Lowes a handful of times when they have an item HD didn't, and it was always weird, like a bizzaro world. Shifty staff seemed far more distrustful of everyone in the store, and often were nowhere to be found when you needed them. At HD, they may be clueless sometimes but they hang out and try to help. Lowes definitely seemed to be more showroomy, more floor models set up and more home decor sections.

>>1499065
This. I’ve regretted every damn dollar that I spent there. Lots of variety, all shit.

>>1500110
Pretty much only thing I’ll buy there is framing lumber and paper towels. The company is too jewey for anything else.

>>1499650
yeah can I get a dorito taco supreme and a large mountain dew?

>>1498171

>Lowe’s sells Bosch, craftsman, skil.
>Home Depot sells Milwaukee, Makita, and Dewalt (and ryobi if you want cheap chinesium).
That’s all you need to know to make your decision. Maybe if craftsman made tools like they used to Lowe’s would be a competitor, but if you’re serious you need to go with the homeless despot.

>>1500171
Lowe’s has their sales on DeWalt, but it seems like Home Depot will always have a similar, if not better sale at the same time.

If you want to go homeowner tier but don’t like green, Lowe’s has some steals on Porter Cable. But I’m with you, I would rather do Home Depot for power tools.

>Ryobi
>cheap chinesium
>imblyign the other brands are much better

>>1500136
I gotchu on a large dew but no doritos on me at the moment.

>>1499640
Ryobi is selling their brushless drill/driver kit with two 2.0Ah batteries for $79 on Black Friday, ill take that any day over a junky Craftsman drill.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Ryobi-18-Volt-ONE-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Brushless-1-2-in-Drill-Driver-with-2-2-0-Ah-Batteries-Charger-and-Bag-P1815/304193488

>>1500171
Home Depot also sells Bosch, Skil, Rockwell, Worx and some other garbage brands on their website, just not in stores.

>>1500197
Tripfag neckbeard confirmed

>>1500171
>>1500197
Home Depot also sells Bosch and you left out Ridgid. Lowe's has exclusivity on Bostich, Hitachi, and Kobalt (Lowe's Ryobi). But I agree that Milwaukee and Makita are what make HD a better brand range.
>>1500222
This is true for a bunch of other brands too - I've found several great tools on HD's website from brands I had never heard of before.

>>1500227
Home Depot's website also has the WEN tool line, which is TTI's Harbor Freight-tier tool line of cheap Chinese stuff they rank under Ryobi.

>I hate Dewalt, but I love PorterCable!
Keep making SBD rich, goyim.

>>1500305
>parent company autist strikes again

>MY giant monopolistic company is better than YOUR company!

>>1498893
>before Lowes was around it was home depot and Menard's

Lowes is older than home depot fucktard

Ace Masterrace

>>1500415
>in my area
I forget how belligerent these people are

And Ace is a lifesaver, but godddamn are they expensive. Plus I have two Home Depots, a Lowe’s, and formerly two Orchard stores within 15min of my house so Ace is pretty much only there if I need a spark plug for my lawnmower or two specific 7¢ bolts.

>>1500219
I've had a one job kit for ages and it has run for like at least 4 years without issue. I'd say longer but some filthy little shit stole my first set.

>>1498200
I'm in NEA, got a Lowes and Home Depot here. Just bought a ryobi 3pc+2 free set for $200. Gonna build my 5yo a Playhouse

>>1500415
>Ace Masterrace
Not everyone here is a billionaire

>>1498633
>Hot Springs
>>1498651
>bentonville
>>1498694
>Benton or Little Rock
>>1499956
>Cabot
I'm in Bauxite. The Lowes in Bryant is closer to me but I work in Benton so if I'm going to the 'big store' I got to HD in Benton.
I buy (charge to account) most of my hardware store stuff at Sutherlands.
If they're really busy, I fill out my own charge ticket.

>>1499630
Haven't bought normie tools in a while. Hang on. Last thing I got for a steal online was a brand new Interrapid 312b-15 test indicator for $180 from Viking Guage. Apparently the boomers in charge of running the site let their "Christmas sale" go all the way into July of the following year. They normally go for $390.

Took them an entire month to ship it to me, but I guess they didn't want to have to cancel my order and refund me.

>>1498174
That's why they've distanced themselves from carrying the same products.

>>1499915
>Both now coddle women with tacky decorations
Somehow they're morphing from a hardware store to Pier One
>They promote dogs
This isn't a dog park. I got bit this Spring. Keep your dogs at home

Fuck both of them. They've taken out the core building blocks of the DIY-er and replaced it with gimmicks, accessories, cleaning supplies, and decorations.

>>1500663
build me a playhouse..

>>1500726
And fuck those Boy Scouts shilling popcorn outside these 'hardware stores'.

That's a perfect example of the declining masculinity that's going on - using child labor to panhandle outside and getting to keep 35% of what they collect.
If HD or Lowe's gave a single fuck, or if the parents weren't cucked, they'd partner with the store and make birdhouses or sheds or actually offer to do some labor in the community like Habitat does. They'd be learning a life skill other than standing on the streets asking for spare change.

>>1498962
>like do you want them to just build the whole fucking shed for you too?

I work weekends at HD in the lumber department. 80% of customers I cut for have exact measurements for their "projects." Most conversations start with, "I'm making this project," or "I saw this project online." Most of my customers are lazy asshole who can't take the extra time to do it for themselves.

>>1500743

I've never worked at a store where they offer to cut wood for free, so I don't understand the issue: are you and the other guy saying that it's too hard to cut it at a particular size? What do you and he think, you just toss the board on the saw and eyeball it?

>>1498842
you still don't get it. china is just a 3-D printer factory. it wouldn't matter if the factory were in Michigan or Beijing, it's still the same quality of chink loading the printer with material. the difference in tools is in the quality of the engineers who designed them.

>>1500746
Not him, but the saws at the store are meant for rough cuts - ie ripping it in half so you can get it home.
At some point, (((those))) customers took that free labor and started trying to get the lumber guy to be their free carpenter for the day.

>>1500749
>the saws at the store are meant for rough cuts - ie ripping it in half so you can get it home.

what sort of saw is "meant for rough cuts"? The ones I've seen look pretty nice, and if I bought a 4x8 sheet of plywood and wanted it cut into a 3x4 and a 5x4 piece, I don't see how that's any harder than "ripping it in half".

I can understand if the customer asks you to take a 4x8 sheet of plywood and produce 6 specially cut pieces, and for that situation you either have a sign saying "one cut per board", or "price per additional cut". It seems sorta silly, actually, that it's a problem, Just have a clear policy and enforce it. If I want 100 cuts it should be beneficial to me and the store to make 100 cuts; raise the price per additional cut to the point where the store WANTS to cut boards.

I'm reminded of a crazy issue I once had back when you took photos that had to be developed and printed. The store had a sign saying "you only pay for the prints you like". So I went to the clerk and said, "if I take 35 shots and only want 2, is that ok?". "Sure!".

So I did that, and he got absolutely pissed that I had taken 35 shots of the subject and wanted to buy the 2 best ones. I don't get it. Have a policy that benefits the store and the customer, and stick to it.

>>1500763
>what sort of saw is "meant for rough cuts"?
It's calibrated once at install and some people come in specifying cuts to an 1/8th.

>if I bought a 4x8 sheet of plywood and wanted it cut into a 3x4 and a 5x4 piece, I don't see how that's any harder than "ripping it in half".
Have you ever had an issue getting a board cut any way other than in half? Both lowes and hd have done it for me.

>Have a policy that benefits the store and the customer, and stick to it.
If you look at it from the other customer's and the store POV, having one of the (maybe) two lumber employees tied up making 100 cuts isn't really viable for customer service.

>>1500393
I never claimed one was better than another, you dumb fruit. It's all the same shit.

>>1498677

Fuck you tripfag

>>1499154

>>1498883
The promised land

Nothing beats menards.

Half the shit I buy at home improvement stores isn’t even sold by orange or blue.

I used to work at Lowe’s. Here’s why Menards is better: they pay a lower hourly wage, but along with profit sharing, the workers get paid the same or more while the store is simultaneously protected from hard times that could come about due to market crash or what have you.

And has anyone noticed Menards diversifying their specialties? Closet stuff, auto stuff, furniture, it’s all high value and in one place.

>>1499612
It looks like the premium brand from hazard fraught

>>1500793
There were a lot of people commenting on how the high end HF looks exactly like DeWalt. That shit could be contracted out to the same people. And Craftsman is owned by SB&D, which makes DeWalt, so who knows.

>>1500779
Hey bby ;^)

>>1500803
Fuck off tripfag

>>1498171
>Is it true that Lowe's only exists to let tool manufacturers find out who the idiots are?
Lowe's is like a backup Home Depot - you only go there when you can't find what you want at HD and by chance, Lowe's carries it

>>1500763
You're mis-interpreting why the service is there. It's for one or two cuts without precise measurements.
I bet you'd buy a $3 2x4 and ask them to cut it every 1/8" so it'd turn to dust. Then, after an hour when the dude is done, take it to the counter and ask for a discount.
Specialty cuts and detailed requests aren't what it was ever intended for. That's why carpenters exist. It used to be inherent knowledge, hence why there aren't signs.

>>1498171
>not buying from contractor outlets on big purchases and Ace Hardware or Harbor Freight for small purchases

>not using craigslist as your first source

Here in Michigan, we have Home Depot, Lowe's, and just got a bunch of Menards.
I go to the depot for materials, and tools. I'm starting to like Menards more and more.
I only go to lowes for Lenox blades. Other than that, Lowe's sucks.

>>1501706
>Menards

Menard's has a lot of good shit if you want to do ambitious projects like building your own house. you can buy pre-engineered roof trusses from them.

>>1498174
>Homo Despot
Kek, made me chuckle. Reminded me of a former classmate in electro school who had such a nickname for about every shop/store in the vicinity

>>1498954
Ace is much closer to me but generally more expensive.

>>1499915
Why does Lowe's kiss the ass of Spanish speakers though?

I'm fairly close to Quebec. Put signs In French.

>>1498938
we still are friendo

>>1498677
Where I live, white people go to Lowe’s and the Mexicans go to Home Depot. The selection is similar, Lowe’s is a little cleaner, Home Depot is a little cheaper.

>>1498883
What’s the deal with Menards only selling no name power tools? If I wanted no name I would’ve gone to Harbor Freight.

>>1498746
We are supposed to get paid?!?!

>>1498171
wickes every time for me. I dont know what Lowe's is, never seen one but I think Home Depot I may have

>>1498171
Festool master race checking in

>>1504330
there is nothing "master" about festool

>>1504342
Tiny dicked Dewalt customer detected

>>1502722
Supposedly that MasterForce stuff is (or was) made by Makita. I have a hammer drill and right angle drill from them, no complaints but I was looking for an extra battery without paying $90 for a 2.0Ah and couldn’t find shit anywhere besides Mendards.com since it’s not a big brand and the nearest store is like 1000mi away.

>>1504400
Cancer.

>>1498171
My mom works at Lowes AMA

protip: she says people come in a steal shit all the time and she's not allowed to stop them, and when she tells loss prevention they say "oh that sucks" and write off the loss
she's in chicago btw

Home desperate is far better than blows. Needed a set of cheap Allen keys when my broke midday. Went to lowest and their brand was 11 dollars. They dont even lock

>>1504432
You're just encouraging her

>>1498994

>there are "people" who dont have sunroofs for hauling wood

>>1502259
>electro school
Dance class?

>>1505424
Kek, no, electrotechnical college or whatever the proper name in English is

Harbor freight patrician checking in

I would Homo Depot is the same:

Their instore brand, Rigid, used to make really good tools suitable for professionals

I bought their 13" planer and the random orbit sander and both have worked excellently so I recommended them to a few friends.

Those friends bought ones years newer than mine but had a plethora of problems like racking of the screws in the planer, poor lifespan of motor brushes.

I checked out his planer and was surpriosed at how many changes, all to the worse, his had over mine. Smaller motor, thinner infeed and outfeed tables etc.

Garbage

>>1505470
>Their instore brand, Rigid,
>Rigid
It's a common mistake...

>>1504457
I work at Lowe's too. No one cares.

>>1504457
>>1505669
get better jobs, losers

I work at Home Depot ama

>>1505716
I make $22/hr selling installs and have very little responsibility. No thanks.

>>1498954

Ace is maximum comfy, and I love the staff at my local one, but it's awful expensive compared to the big box stores

>>1498959

Well, they still make excellent hand drivers, I'm glad they haven't let that slide.

>he doesn't shop at megalomart

>>1505859
I prefer not to buy my screws from the aisle next to the feminine hygiene products.

>>1505855
>boomerdrivers
Those basic Craftsman ones aren’t bad but I wouldn’t call them “excellent”. Screwdrivers are goofy because they look so simple and you think “How could they possibly improve them?” but some of the more expensive brands use this voodoo that results in less stripped screws.

I wanted to try pic related while they were on sale but I already have a gorillion screwdrivers. Husky and Stanley both have diamond tip drivers too and they grip bretty gud and they’re not too expensive.

And then there’s the pricey brands like Klein, Wiha, and Snap On. But you’re paying for the black magic with these drivers. It’s kinda like kosher food, they have a shaman at the end of the assembly line who blesses the tips and keeps these drivers from camming out.

>>1505935
Tell us more about all the shit you buy and never use. Or ideally, go get a fucking blog so you can wank on about yourself in peace.

>>1505939
Would you read my blog? I don’t want to put in the effort unless you will read it daily.

And I didn’t buy those screwdrivers because they would never get used. Unless I tossed all my ol’ Craftsman ones.

Recently I have been using these cheap ones all the time because they’re right next to me on the workbench. Or the 11-in-1. I kinda want to replace those cheap ones with Wiha or something else nice but it would end up being like $300 since there’s phillips, flat, torx, and square and they go all the way down to smaller sizes. Was a sweet set for $20 just to experiment with the little organizer but they’re kinda crappy.

Why does Ryobi have 1000 tools with 999 brushless variants, but their impact wrench is the only thing in the whole fucking lineup that isn't brushless? Will they ever make one like every single other brand has, or is it just a matter of cost?

>>1505987
I think it’s the same reason Milwaukee and Dewalt won’t sell you a brushless high torque 120V impact. Those 1000ft-lb cordless impacts have to be a big reason why people get started on one of those brands. I definitely took it into consideration before I got these Ridgid tools. Ridgid’s most powerful impact is 400ft-lbs and I almost went yellow to have the option of a big stud snapping wrench but the deal was too good.

>>1505939

>>1505935

Eh, they're good enough for the girl I run with.

& they're esthetically pleasing to boot

>>1506241
>Eh, they're good enough for the girl I run with.

and /diy/ descends into the abyss of stupidity

>>1506248

I was espousing the merits of a modern day Craftsman product that isn't total shit.

Don't you think that's a bit extreme?

>>1506251
Most Craftsman stuff isn’t terrible. It’s 2018, not much is made in the US anymore. If you ever use some Tool Shop or HDX or Pittsbugh/HFT, it’s easy to understand the difference between Asian made tools and cheap ass Chinesium.

Those Craftsman drivers aren’t bad, they fit better than the absolute Chinesium drivers that may need some filing out kd the box, but they haven’t made them any better as the premium brands figure it out. They offer a couple lines that are better than those basic ones though and the black and red handled drivers look ok.

>>1498746
>sunk to new Lowes.

You need carlos there.
15 of the reCaptchas

>>1502740
they used to have these stores in the U.S.

>>1498171
I work at a menards. I've seen the shit we sell and trying to track down the manufacturers only to dead-end at a chinese website with close to zero support is super frustrating.
Even if it came at an increased expense, I would rather spend my own money buying quality tools at another big-box. At least their crap comes with some level of American customer service.

>>1505935
Cannot comment on wera, wiha, or pb swiss, but snap on screwdrivers (specifically the phillips drivers) are fucking magical. The driver or screw will fail before it cams out. There is nothing more frustrating than having to deal with stripped out screws.

Craftsman, klein, and Pittsburgh pro are fucking garbage in comparison.

>>1500673
>>1498633
Texarkana here.
AR side doesnt have shit, Texas side has HD and Lowes

HD doesnt cull enough, they leave busted shit on the shelves

>>1498954
Ace is overpriced as fuck, but when i need a specific piece of brass stock, I know exactly where i need to go

>>1509253
This is what I was talking about. The average person would be like “They’re just screwdrivers, why would you spend so much on them?” but you’re paying for the voodoo magic tips of those few brands.

>>1508866
>actually trying to get a hold of chinese manufacturers
bruh you're insane
I used to work as junior management at a cheapass discount furniture store. Half the shit was cut in China and assembled in Vietnam. Whenever anything went wrong, we'd just DIY a solution. It was actually impossible to get a hold of them. The only department they'd entertain calls from was purchasing.

>>1499466
I talk to whomever I want.

>>1498171
Home Depot has a better smell, Lowes smells like melted plastic

>>1511348
It’s the lumber and Mexican farts.

>>1498954
The ace near me has a great hardware section. Smokes HD's pile of galvanized chinese shit.

>>1511370
My Ace is similar. Like 4 aisles of the 12-15 in the whole store are hardware. Best place to go when you need one nut or bolt in the middle of a project because you can grab one thing without it taking an hour like the other stores.

They have a decent knoife selection too.

>>1500219
Ryobi is also the same color as the Constructicons

>>1511370
>Smokes HD's pile of galvanized chinese shit.

My Home Depot and Lowes both stock grade 8 nuts, bolts, washers, along with the galvanized, and the lower grade steel.

>>1498171
>find out who the idiots are?
they already know. its pretty much a demographic
close enough for their purposes anyways
this shit is literally a hidden science