/diy/ - Do It Yourself

You mad or something?

Tbh, Knipex are pretty good. Don't see why you're upset.

>>1454272
>>1454254

Buy American. There's nothing wrong with Channellocks

>>1454285
Those are not channellock, fyi.

>>1454298

No, it's one of the original 100 year old designs that Knipex ripped off and people slob on their knob over.

>>1454285
Channellocks are fine too. No biggie.

>>1454322

If you ask most of the never-work tool nerds on here, they'd crucify you for that.

>>1454253
Buy a pair so you won’t have to complain

And the knob on the wrench in the OP looks annoying. That’s why adjustables are a pain in the ass. It sucks to turn those when your hands are greasy and the thing gets full of grit.

>>1454395

Sorry, I buy American tools.

>>1454190
>>1454190
>>1454190

Here some original and innovative thread to reserruct the board

>>1454253
>Anybody else absolutely fucking tired of hearing about these meme pliers?

That's what I thought until I put my money where my mouth is.

I've been using some random pliers I found on the ground for like a decade now. I don't think it matters what brand things are, as long as they work.

>>1454404

How's that?

>>1454311
>ripped off

lol Dude.

>>1454401
If only they could compete...

I’m not going to pay the same money for something that isn’t as good just so I can spout the “Muh USA!” meme.

I am thinking about the Channellock oil filter pliers to replace my shitty Walmart pair I had to grab at midnight because of a shitty filter location.

>>1454407
I kinda want to grab a full set of Knipex to see what the fuss is about with their other stuff. Good pliers are so much more user friendly when you really need to beat on something with them.

>>1454411
How's what? I went out and bought some knipex tools; turns out it was just the same old 4chan/diy bullshit saying they were over-rated.

On a professional level they're worthwhile.

>>1454401
Muh snap on

>>1454413
>If only they could compete...

They can, and they work well.

>>1454412

The only people who think knipex tools are revolutionary are kikex reps themselves. They are the sriracha sauce of hand tools.

>>1454395
>tools look they've never seen a second of use
>inb4 i take cur of muh tools

Anon, never using tools isn't taking care of them.

>>1454455

I literally already called that in this thread:

>>1454325
>never-work tool nerds

>>1454285
>There's nothing wrong with Channellocks

Doesnt mean there isnt something better

/thread

>>1454476
>/threading your own post

Is Klein a good brand for the price ?

>>1454484

Yes. I'm not a lineman, but I know a few linemen who love their Klein tools.

>>1454484
Depends on what tools you are talking about. Channellocks in general cost less and are of comparable quality to klein. Klein has a steep electricians tax on it.

Im not sure whats wrong with OP because I like and own both knipex and channellocks. Ive never felt like the newer klein pliers were worth the money.

>>1454489
Thanks

>>1454490
I have to have some of their screwdrivers and I’m not sure what else, I’m working down a list shopping around, trying to save 30-40% as much as I can

I’ve found the catalog my school wants me to use has a big markup over amazon or B&M stores

>>1454420
>The only people who think knipex tools are revolutionary are kikex reps themselves.

You cant even compare the two tools anon, channellock doesnt produce anything at all like the Knipex Cobras.
You want to know why Knipex Cobras are shilled so hard?

Everyone has a pair or 10 of channellocks standard slip joint pipe wrenches. Aside from gripping a large nut like a plumber would use it, they are pretty shitty for most everything else.
Ive pulled them out thinking id use them on all types of stuff, just to have the pliers slip off and have the handles pinch the fuck out of my hand.

The Cobras cant slip and they are anti pinch. Not only that they are designed to bind up and "lock" when you use them.
For all those oddball things you tried to mess with using regular channellocks but failed, the Cobras will do a better job at. They are what you wanted the channellocks to actually be.

Ill shill all day long for them, they are absolutely worth the money, versatile as fuck.

>>1454498
What catalog? Grainger and stuff is normally more expensive but I think they bank on having everything in one place within 48hrs for businesses.

>>1454420
I only got the Knipex after a normal friend who isn’t on 4chan told me they make the best pliers he has ever used. He wires communications systems during the week and builds cars on the weekends so I trust him.

>>1454455
...or they’re new

>>1454501

This reads like a fucking advertisement, and it's exactly what I'm talking about. I've used Channellocks on pipes, studs, ruined fasteners, and all kinds of other things, and they work like a hot damn. If you have a frequent problem of your channellocks coming off a work piece, then maybe you should stop lily-gripping the things and squeeze like a man.

>You cant even compare the two tools anon, channellock doesnt produce anything at all like the Knipex Cobras.

Spoken like someone who hasn't used GL12s, which have the same no-slip "lock" design.

>>1454501
>all types of stuff, just to have the pliers slip off and have the handles pinch the fuck out of my hand.

I'm not in this for religious reasons like most of the morons, and I've never tried Knipex (I'd like to some day), but "all types of stuff, slip off" is not what my Channel locks do. I'd love to see a video of you having Channelock disasters on "all types of stuff".

>>1454508
Those are still slip joints you retard.
The Cobras are a boxed fame with a locking mechanism in the middle. Have you never even bothered to look at them?

Why would I want to manhandle and struggle with the pliers to get them to work instead of using a better design that grips and wont slip?

>and it's exactly what I'm talking about

What you are talking about is just spouting ignorance honestly.
You arent some great critical thinking outlier that knows something better than everyone else doesnt.

>>1454508
Missing the joibt like the Kraut pliers have. Also I never see those in stores, which is part of the reason why none of these Knipex shills cares much for Channellocks. The regular ones everybody owns suck balls for gripping a fucked up nut compared to that style.

>>1454509
>I'm not in this for religious reasons like most of the morons

Well I sure hope you arent >>1454285 because then that statement would clearly be false.
And not only that you are already admitting that you are coming from a point of ignorance.

Trying to convince someone that "there is nothing wrong" with channellocks does not refute that something may actually be designed better. Im not sure why it would upset you that much that another quality brand from a decent country of origin would exist.

>>1454511
>Those are still slip joints you retard.

Sure, and they're strong as fuck. I defy you to come up with a test where 10" Channellock Griplock pliers wouldn't fare exactly the same as 10" Knipex Cobra pliers (pro-tip: you cannot do this).

>>1454512
>Missing the joibt like the Kraut pliers have.

The joint is nothing special, and as far as not seeing them in the store, I buy tools off the internet pretty frequently so that never fazed me.

>>1454509

He's probably got the grip strength of a 12 year old. Honestly not surprised about all those studies saying grip strength is going down with these do-nothing soft-handed millennials.

>>1454516
>Sure, and they're strong as fuck. I defy you to come up with a test where 10" Channellock Griplock pliers wouldn't fare exactly the same as 10" Knipex Cobra pliers (pro-tip: you cannot do this).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr2mnj3IyQ4

>>1454517

I don't have that testing device, but I reckon the Channellocks would work just the same.

>>1454516
>The joint is nothing special

It uses its own leverage to grip so all your power can go into turning as opposed to having to exert the grip and the turning at the same time.
It makes a difference which is why everyone who has ever used them says so.
Whats the point of having a strongman grip if that energy is all wasted on holding the actual tool? You are still losing that energy.

>>1454520
>Whats the point of having a strongman grip if that energy is all wasted on holding the actual tool?

I'm talking about the competing Channellock design, not original Channellock pliers. The former literally operate on the exact same principle as Knipex Cobras.

Do they not teach reading comprehension in grammar school these days?

>>1454522
The "lock" comes from the binding of the joint mechanism, not the rhombus shaped teeth you retard.

If I cared more, id take a picture of my knipex and normal and rhombus shaped channellocks together. They dont work or feel anything like each other

>>1454525

The "lock" comes from the angle of the jaws relative to the handle and the design of the teeth. If you had a pair or Knipex that had the same design as original Channellock tongue-and-groove pliers but replaced the tongue-and-groove with Knipex's hokey push-button, they would work EXACTLY the same.

>>1454502
Johnstone

>>1454528
>If you had a pair or Knipex that had the same design as original Channellock tongue-and-groove pliers but replaced the tongue-and-groove with Knipex's hokey push-button, they would work EXACTLY the same.

They are called the alligators anon, and they dont work the same at all.

>>1454530

The Cobra and Alligator have identical jaw designs, which is relevant to my point. They are not equivalent to standard Channellocks.

>>1454515
>Trying to convince someone that "there is nothing wrong" with channellocks

learn to read. I asked for a demonstration of how awful they are, since mine don't slip. where am I upset? I said I'd like to try the knipex. you are a prime example of the sort of religious zealot that I was referring to, in that you read what you want to read instead of what I wrote.

i think you are all retards honestly, use what you like and fuck off.

>>1454551
tbqhwy it seems like the only people not shilling for Knipex are those who have never owned a pair. Everybody who has owned them claims they’re much better than any of the competitors. It’s not just a /diy/ or garagejournal meme either like Wera.

I haven’t even had a chance to use the set I bought. The Irwins of a similar design are way better than Channellock-style ones with the basic scissor-type joint and flat or slightly round jaws.

>>1454285
>Buy American
Okay, ese.

>>1454597

Is this supposed to be an argument?

>>1454325
Since crucifixion involves rudimentary tool skills, I'm fine with taking my chances.

>>1454597
Griselda needs to feed her kids too!

>>1454607
Legit I wouldn’t mind spending like 30%-50% more on most stuff if I knew it was US made and at least as good as the stuff coming from Taiwan. But Channellocks are the same price as high end Taiwanese stuff and don’t seem as nice. And so many other US made tools are more than double the price of good Asian stuff for about the same quality. And the pro level US made tools in many cases are 5x-10x the price of decent Asian tools that is more than good enough for weekend warriors.

Props to Channellock though for selling US-made tools that normal people can afford. I wish there was more US made stuff like old Craftsman where you could justify spending the money as a homeowner and not a tradesman.

whats your meme collection?

I got:
>7'' and 10'' pliers wrench
>5'', 7'', and 10'' cobras
>mini bolt cutters comfort grip
>electronic super-knips
>8'' combination pliers

>>1454623
>But Channellocks are the same price as high end Taiwanese stuff and don’t seem as nice

Respectfully, I disagree. I love my Channellock tools.

>>1454635

You should buy some of those NWS with the wobbly upper jaw for maximum memetics.

>>1454685
Do you own any knipex?

>>1454712

No, as already noted in this thread.

>>1454725
See, there doesn’t seem to be anybody who says “I bought a pair of Knipex and they were an overpriced meme so I went back to Channellocks”.

There are two types of people- those who shill for Knipex and those who have never used them.

>>1454740

Maybe I'll buy some and then sell them used on Ebay to buy another pair of channellocks, just so I can say that I dodged the meme with FULL knowledge.

>>1454743
literally cringed

>>1454744

Come up with an actual argument.

>>1454740
Three types. You are forgetting the types that don't use adjustable wrenches.

>But weight issues, space issues, pulling out the wrong wrench...
Between my belt and my bag, I have enough space for all the wrenches I need plus everything else. Weight isn't an issue, they weigh like four and a half pounds. I carried a 40 lb. ruck in the army, 210 rounds of ammo, body armor, and 2 quarts of water in 120 degree weather with the most god awful, uncomfortable, heavy as fuck, useless kevlar helmet to top it all off. This shit is easy by comparison. I can grab what I need off my back carrier without having to look because of the way the wrenches are arranged. I've had to fix too many rounded nuts to waste my time with adjustable wrenches. If I ever rounded a nut with one I would be more pissed off at myself than the tool. There is no way I'm climbing back down that ladder because I was dumb enough to pull out an adjustable wrench no matter how much I paid for it.

>You're not using the right tools
In my field, EVERYONE has Knipex, Klien, what have you, and they still fuck up the nuts. Saying they aren't using the right tools is bunk. If you are using an adjustable wrench it is the wrong tool. Full stop. They are for homeowners and emergency tool kits only.

>>1454748
>If you are using an adjustable wrench it is the wrong tool.

This is just stupid.

>>1454501
Bought a pair of 16 inch cobras recently. Can confirm you can actually grip a pipe with them and then stand on those bastards and they just dig in better, even with my fat ass on them. Makes a nice hammer too.

>>1454740
Jesus fuck Milwaukee makes an ugly wrench.

>>1454773

They feel pretty good in the hand, though.

>>1454774
looks like a retarded transformer

>>1454773
They have socket sets now too. They look decent but they’re expensive for Asian made tools. The pliers are pricey as well.

Some anon recently mentioned he had a few Milwaukee hand tools and the pliers and some other stuff were just ok. I think he liked the demo screwdrivers though.

>>1454773
>>1454922
Forgot pic. This set is $70

>>1454923

Holy shit, that's a pretty sum for that small a kit. You can get Tekton or Neiko Taiwan stuff for that kind of money.

>>1454517
Unless you can show the channellock pliers failing the same test, you're just wanking.

>>1454923
Looks like a junk chinese tool that milwaukee paid a little money to have their name on the handle for some quick profit.

Let me just say this, the people who oppose the existence of adjustables/pipe wrenches/etc have never come face to face with an unusual fastener.

>>1454948
You could get a full set of Tekton or Neiko for that money.

>>1454964
It has to be Taiwan at least for that money. I hope. But they’re made specifically for Milwaukee, it’s not that rebranded Chinese stuff (like I’m pretty sure Kobalt and HF impact sockets come off the same line in Shangdou or wherever). You won’t find the same exact features on a cheaper brand.

Not sure who manufactures them because I thought the company that owns Milwaukee and Ryobi only did power tools.

>>1454992
>You could get a full set of Tekton or Neiko for that money.

Exactly.

>>1454975
well, in my field usually fasteners are not accessible and adjustable wrench's are bigger by default
so i never use them and honestly i dont even want one.
I got a knipex plier-wrench, (as miniature press) those will do in a pinch

>>1455012
>adjustable wrench's are bigger by default

There are some very slim ones out there, and I guess it depends on the field, but I've come across some half-size fasteners, homemade cut'n'tapped nuts on carriage bolts that are basically rectangular, etc.. All kinds of weird shit. This is where Channellocks, crescent wrench, and others come into play.

This stuff is a lot more common when tinkering with hobby stuff, though. I imagine in field work, there are (usually) standards.

Just bought some 12 inch cobra pliers, AMA

>>1455051

What are your thoughts?

>>1454404
>>1454411
>>1454415
>On a professional level they're worthwhile
Sounds like you put there marketing caulk where your mouth is.

>>1455094

I wonder how many of the """professional""" tool buyers here actually use their tools.

>>1455012
I never use adjustables either. The Knipex are for gripping pipes and plumbing stuff or any other non-hex shaped things. It’s not really a replacement for a crescent wrench.

Pic related is another story. Those are coming up soon on my to-do list. I want to get a larger pair for the occaisional big fitting. Supposedly they are a better alternative to a crescent wrench.

>>1455097
They cost like $5 more than regular DIY-tier pliers.

>>1455136
>I never use adjustables either.
>Supposedly they are a better alternative to a crescent wrench.

>>1455138
What’s your point?

I don’t use adjustables because anything under 1” and I will use a proper wrench or socket. Anything larger than that is normally a plumbing fitting and I will just go at it with the pliers since it’s either PVC or soft metal and not fastened real tight. But I only recently learned those Knipex water pump pliers existed and I later heard from a good friend who doesn’t care about meme status that his Knipex water pump pliers are probably his most used tool and everybody who has used them loves them. He says it’s well worth the $50 because they are so much more effective than a crecent wrench since the jaws get tighter as you hold it with the Knipex. Adjustables are nearly impossible to get perfectly on a hex head.

So with those ones I won’t have to chew up the fasteners so much like with the regular slip joint pliers and I won’t have to deal with loose ass crescent wrenches.

>>1455136
>Supposedly they are a better alternative to a crescent wrench.
they really are, no memein'

>>1455142

God help you when you come across an odd 11/32 hex head or something. I'd love to see your wrenches and sockets save you then.

Say what you will, but the Crescent wrench is one of God's own tools. Every man should have a handful in different sizes.

>>1455097
Exactly. Around the house so multiple trips back to the garage can be avoided, sure. Prolly gonna change out the fastener anyways. Adjustable ftw. When factors like time lines, budgets, etc. heavily influence livelihood, not on your life.

>>1455150

Don't get me wrong, I prefer using the correct tool for the job (as in, a properly sized wrench) when it's called for, but the adjustable wrench is a lot like vise grips -- not the correct tool for ANY job, but damn good at doing a lot of things wrong.

>>1455142
Gotta get the baby ones too.


>>1455145
Agreed

>>1455092
No competition, the only other pliers that could be better are the smartgrip pliers which are borderline perfection if only they made them in bigger sizes. The knipex have a peculiar heft to them that you know you have some high ass quality pliers on your hands.

>>1455158

How much do they pay you?

>>1455160
KC tool gave me this nice felo phillips bit for my purchase

>>1455160
3 pieces of jewgold a post.

Only because it’s knipex it’s actually Jewish gold.

>>1455149
11/32 bolt? If I can’t fit a socket on it, I would rather have a pair of 7” Knipex water pump pliers than a typical crescent wrench.

Look at videos of the Knipex water pump pliers. Anybody who has used one will tell you it’s a better alternative to an adjustable wrench.

>>1455156
If/when I grab them, I want to do big ones that will open like 3”.

>>1455158
>tfw they’re so good that they don’t even have to pay
It’s not a meme. There’s a reason people never go back from them.

>>1455179
>Anybody who has used one will tell you it’s a better alternative to an adjustable wrench.

If I needed something with teeth, I'd rather use a pipe wrench.

>>1455179
You suck and everyone hates you.

You changing your name slightly makes it worse.

>>1455185
>You suck and everyone hates you.

You killed him. Since I'm not exactly a regular here, what is the deal with Bepis?

>>1455181
>adjustable wrench
Do you know what that is? I posted a pic for you! The Knipex Water Pump Pliers are a better alternative to an adjustable wrench aka crescent wrench aka pic related.

If you want something with teeth, the Knipex Cobra or Alligator would be a good choice over lesser slip joint pliers aka channellocks (lower case “c”).

If you need a pipe wrench, grab a Rigid. Never seen a standard pipe wrench from Knipex, but if they do make one, I’m sure it works pretty well.

>>1455185
Hey bby ;^)

Trip is still the same

>>1455200
It’s a flavorful carbonated beverage

>>1455201

The Knipex water pump pliers have teeth you massive fucking buffoon. They are not smooth-jawed. They are not equivalent to a Crescent wrench (or even a Stillson).

In any case,
Crescent adjustable > Knipex Plier Wrench
Channellock > Knipex Alligator/Cobra

>>1455206
I think he was trying to say pliers wrench>adjustable

>>1454748
I don't have any meme adjustables, but "crescents" are pretty good for non-mechanics purposes. Like with big ass pipes/fittings, adjusting adjustable nuts on machines and such. Less standard uses are bending bars, or twisting bars for the "wrought iron" look.

>>1454975
How often do you face unusual fasteners? (unless you are British)

>>1455206
Crescent makes a nice pair of compound jointed linesman pliers... but their wrenches are just not as good or convenient as the knipex pliers wrench. Seriously though their linesman’s surprised me, bought these 4 years back on a lark, use them when doing sealed system work to cut out 1/4 copper, blades haven’t chipped or dulled despite also being used to hold hot stuff and occasionally getting a bit cooked with an oxy acetylene torch... 10/10 would buy again.


Also I don’t like trips on this board, I don’t see the point other than feeding your own ego, but pointing this out in every thread does the same thing... ignore him, reply to his post exactly As you would if it wasn’t posted by a trip, judge the quality of the post using your own judgment and not on the reputation good or bad of the poster.

>>1455221

Surprisingly often in a hobby capacity. I tinker with lots of old equipment and firearms. A lot of these things were pre-standard so it's all over the place.

And I'm not British, but I do have some BSW wrenches and sockets.

>>1455206
I am retarded. Meant “Pliers Wrench”

Threw me off because it doesn’t have a sweet name like “Python” or “Grizzly”

>>1455211
This. When you google “Knipex water pump pliers” it pulls up the pliers wrench too. The one in this pic >>1455142 when I mentioned the tool being a better replacement for an adjustable wrench. But this is the internet where people would rather assume the worst so they can talk shit to a stranger and stroke their ego. What a wonderful place.

>>1455223
I got a pair of those Crescents you mentioned a few months back and I love them. They have been used quite a bit already. They’re a champ for grabbing and yanking on shit and the cutters aren’t too bad either assuming you have the space. Pic related is the newer design of them with the pivot joint.

>>1455220
The meme adjustable “Pliers Wrench” has one big advantage- you can apply force closing the jaws as you turn the fastener.

The little screw on regular old crescent wrenches is really hard to get perfectly tight so it’s always like using an open ended wrench that is half a millimeter too large. It becomes even more of a pain in the ass when your hands are greasy or the tool is dirty or old. The Pliers Wrench fixes that problem.

>>1455265

Your taste in cigarettes is about equivalent to your taste in tools.

>The Pliers Wrench fixes that problem.

Ever used a pair of Plierench? Same idea, except they've been around for a million years. Lots of jaw options and configurations, too.

>>1455270
ScoutCrafter pls go

>>1455270
a Plee-ayyy-rench sounds like something Baryshnikov would use to adjust his Nutcracker.

>>1455270
The 2nd from the right- what the hell are those jaws for?

>>1455285

The man has good taste in pliers.

>>1455313
Holding round stuff I'd guess

>>1455155
how the fuck are vise grips not the right tool for the right job ever

>>1454560
Homeland of Knippex reporting in. I don't own any Knippex pliers myself, but I've used them. They are excellent quality, but there's comparable stuff to be had for less money (Personally, I usually go for Krone since these are about 20% cheaper).

Also, slipping doesn't usually happen due to the mechanism being shitty but due to cheap-ass galvanized cast iron jaws. Decent quality pliers have machined steel jaws. Drawback to these is that they will leave deep bite marks (it's an ok trade-off, though - they tend not to slip so you won't get long scratches).

On a more general note: if you are that hung up on gripping strength you should probably be using a large pipe wrench rather than messing around with the tiny pliers type of wrench. The only thing that beats leverage is more leverage.

>>1455373
Whenever you don’t want to mar brass fittings...

>>1454395
>purposely magnetizing your tools

>>1455475
I’ll deal with that later.

>>1455373

Name one job where vise grips are the correct & first choice.

>>1455475
Not always a bad thing, and easily rectified with a demagnetizer

>>1455544
Welding, removing rounded bolts, pinching off hoses, removing odd-sized bolts without rounding them, clamping

>>1455555

Welding clamps, pipe wrench, hose-pinch pliers, crescent wrench, ???

>>1455555
Checked

>>1455559
I haven’t found a pair of vise grips that will grip, bite, and twist with the same power as the Knipex. But I’m not going to say they don’t have their place.

Knipex should use that same tooth design on a vise grip.

>>1455561
>Knipex should use that same tooth design on a vise grip.

I find the curved jaw vise grips to be suitable when you really need to bite into a round surface (pipe, rounded fastener).

>>1454401
Channellock is not made in US.

Snap on is a shill brand, they now just sell cheap bullshit and don't stand behind their products..

There are some awesome special US made tools (Bridge City, Garret Wade, Ohsay, etc), but they certainly aren't things you can buy at orange box store. The volume is too low.

>>1455626
>tfw Klein’s 11-in-1 drivers aren’t evem stamped “Made In USA” because they are assembled in the US but foreign parts

>>1455626
>Channellock is not made in US.

Wrong

>>1454253
I've got some Knipex linesman's. My Quinns and Craftsman are better.

>>1455626
>Snap on is a shill brand, they now just sell cheap bullshit and don't stand behind their products

Uh, I work for my dad. The snap on guy hadn't been around in a long while but I saw him at another shop and popped in his truck from down the street with broken tools from the late 90s. He just gave us the updated version no question asked

>>1455841
For all the shit they get since they went overseas, I do like the current Craftsman pliers. The designs in the handles are too much but the fit and finish is nice,

>>1455877

They make plenty of good tools

>>1456961
Craftsman does not make tools. Until recently they were a brand name owned by Sears. Sears has never made a single tool in their entire history. Nether has Lowes' Kobalt or Home Depot's Husky (since they bought that name). They all contract their work out to other tool makers.

In March 2017 Stanley Black & Decker bought the Craftsman name from Sears. They have made some Craftsman branded tool for Sears for years but now they are switching over to doing most, if not all, of the work themselves. They've started work on a US based factory (though it is doubtful everything will be made there) and are taking over the various Craftsman contracts from other companies as they expire.

>>1456966

>>1456966
Really? They’re going to make some US-made stuff again? There’s still a couple little things still made here but not much and the Craftsman Professional line which was US-made has really dwindled.

I think a lot of people are like me where they would gladly pay a little more for US-Made tools over Chinese stuff (for certain things at least) if they can do it without charging Strap On type prices.

>>1457059
There are still a few US based toolmakers. The problem is the price isn't "a little more". Stuff made in Taiwan and China is a lot cheaper to import. Its the difference between paying $7 for an adjustable wrench at Harbor Freight and $25-$40 for a similar one that was made in the USA. Will the USA made one be better? Absolutely. Do most people care? No. So, the USAA made stuff is being sold to professionals who can justify, and write off on their taxes, the purchase of a $25 adjustable wrench or whatever.

>>1457059
>>1457086
Oh, hey, interesting. I was doing some checking and Snap-On adjustable wrenches, which start at $92 for the 12 inch, are not USA made. They are made in Spain. It seems Wright also has their adjustable wrenches made in Spain. Probably a few of the other high-end companies too. The Wright model is about $30, so the extra $60 for the Snap-on is the warranty. Not very useful for the average Joe. A few other companies might still have some USA made stuff. Proto (Stanley Black and Decker), S-K, Armstrong, etc.

>>1457095

I wonder if they all contract Irega for those.

>>1457095
You know about Williams Tools, right?

It’s Snap On’s industrial brand. Their stuff on Amazon is a lot cheaper than Snap On from the middle man in the tool truck. Some of their stuff is US-Made (their ratchets are exactly the same as the old 36T Snap On), the rest of it is made in Taiwan at the same factory as Blue Point. And I believe that factory is owned by them, not some 3rd party contracted factory BS which cuts corners like most Chinese crap.

>>1457106
industrial tools are good but not so much the ratchets. most industrial ratchets don't go above 40 tooth so they kinda suck

>>1457167
You’re not looking hard enough. Almost all of the industrial brands make 60T+ ratchets and a lot of times it’s the same mechanism as one of the tool truck brands.

And tooth cound doesn’t mean as much as your tool collector blogs lead you to believe. There’e a huge difference in the amount of play and wobble between a pro grade 36T and a Chinese 36T ratchet. People seemed to fix cars just fine with their 36T Snap One.

There is a 90T Proto I have had my eye on but that shit isn’t cheap. The 45T Protos are much more affordable.

>>1457258

Honestly, there's nothing wrong with consumer grade gimmick tools. If you want a 120T gear wrench ratchet, then use it.

>>1457286
>consumer grade gimmick tools
Wut? Where does that fit in with Armstrong, Proto, and Williams?

Oh yeah but that 120T, I kinda agree. If you can’t swing the 84T Gearwrench in there, I don’t know how you’re even going to get the head of a 120T ratchet in. Only uspide is when you need to remove a long bolt and you only have like 45deg worth of room to swing the handle, the 80T will give you a little more on each swing. Instead of having to ratchet back and forth 100 times with a 36T to get the bolt out, maybe you can do it in 90 swings of the handle with an 80T ratchet.

One of the industrial brands makes a dual 45T, so you get 90 positions on the ratcheting mechanism but you get the bigger teeth and strength of a 45T. The head is wider though because you have two sets of pawls.

>>1457258
tooth count means everything when you're working in tight spaces. if your piece of shit
40 tooth ratchet needs 10° but you only have 5° clarence you're pretty fucked

>>1457293
>Wut? Where does that fit in with Armstrong, Proto, and Williams?

It doesn't, really, and that's my point. Tools that don't fit into the "industrial" spectrum are often pretty damned good and usable.

>>1457296
Yeah but if you have a loose ass Chinese 72T that claims 5deg, but you get another +/-3deg of slop, that doesn’t mean shit.

Also how many times have you run into a spot where you only have 7deg to swing the handle and a 36T ratchet won’t get the job done? If you don’t have room to swing, grab a stubby or a flex head.

Don’t get me wrong, I kinda like the higher tooth count because the teeth are smaller so on most wrenches it means less resistance on the back swing, but that “150 TOOTH XR” stuff is somewhat a sales gimmick.

I’ll let you know the day I’m in the middle of a job and have to run and grab a 120T Gearwrench because my 72T ratchets couldn’t get the job done.