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Bulbulator manufacturing kit.

Tap die set

>>1450633
Valvulator you mean?

>>1450628
You use them to thread rods and tap things for said rods to screw into

>>1450636
Interesting, thanks. I would like to know the name of the tools to be able to look them up and see them in action

>>1450640
see >>1450634

>>1450644
Thanks, I overlooked that!

>>1450628
This is to repair or make bold and screw thread

>>1450628
It's something to screw your wife with before she runs off with LeShawn

>>1450628
How have you gone your entire life without seeing a tap and die set? Christ on a stick, I tapped my first thread in an aluminum block when I was 6.

>>1450628
taps and dies, worth about 25 bucks if it's not too rusty.

>>1450701
>taps and dies, worth about 25 bucks if it's not too rusty.

as long as they aren't weird sizes

thats a nice homemade box


i put tap+die+drill together in small ziplock bags

>>1450698
And yet you're both on this website, so maybe it didn't matter that much overall

>>1450701
>worth about 25 bucks if it's not too rusty.
trollin trollin trollin

ebay vintage tap and die set $1200

>>1450628
Ribbed anal plugs for various rolls of anal circumferences.

>>1450726
Lol they don't sell for that

>>1450726
>ebay

Listed or sold price? Because there are retards who list $100 msrp stuff for $999.99 but it doesn't make it worth that much.

trust me you'll never use it

>>1450628

>>1450628
probably starrett stuff, right?

>>1450735
whenever you're ready to sell me a 1932 Cord L-29 Cabriolet for MSRP let me know.
MSRP has nothing to do with antique prices, especially when the piece has a backstory like OP's vintage tap and die set, which may have been used by Thomas Edison and Nikola Tesla
You can't put a price on history like that, and hipsters from around the country would be tripping over themselves scurrying to bid and trying to get their hands on such a rare treasure.

>>1450628
The circular bits are dies, which cut threads on the outside of rods. The bottom bits are taps, which cut threads on the inside of holes. Upper right is a tap wrench, which is used to turn the taps. Middle are two die wrenches, used to turn dies. Upper left is probably a driver to tighten/loosen the set screws that hold the taps/dies in the wrenches

>>1450726
>>1450743
Out of your minds. Anyone looking for tools to use would pass this by, and OP would be just as likely to have anti-gunners buy it to get the "bullets" off the streets as to have hipsters pay over $50 for this. It may technically be "antique," but this is modern production tooling and not even that rare.

>>1450743
>Special pleading
It's not and they don't. It's grandpappy's tap and die set and is worth maybe $100 at most if it's some special brand that collectors go nuts for. It's in meh condition and the cutting edges have probably rusted off.

>seriously comparing a basic tap and die set to a rare car in good condition
You're fucking stupid, like really stupid.

>>1450705
>as long as they aren't weird sizes
weird sizes are worth a lot more

how often have you run across a weird size bolt or hole that you couldn't find the right size nut or bolt for? more importantly those odd size stripped holes and bolts need matching taps and dies

>>1450736
Until he will.

Until he will....

>>1450746
Wow, about three hours late there, Anon. And that thing in the upper left is a thread gauge. Next time read the thread.

>>1450759
>three hours late there
The early worm gets eaten.

>>1450628
That's sweet, beats the crap out of modern chinesium taps

>>1450799
I was curious about this... people love wrenches from 20 years ago, but what about really old taps and dies? What was the metallurgy like? Could they evn compete with cheaper HF stuff?

>>1450810
>people love wrenches from 20 years ago, but what about really old taps and dies? What was the metallurgy like? Could they evn compete with cheaper HF stuff?

they seem better to me. i got a bunch of older cleveland/ace/greenfield. they were used when i got them but blow HF out of the water. they cut nice and seem perfectly sized. HF unified varies generally on the side of slightly off size and hard to start. HF metric are alright though.

pipe taps seem inconsistent everywhere though.

>>1450810
Taps and dies are consumable. Once they rust, they're nearly useless because it creates high stress areas that will fracture right in the middle when you're tapping something. snapped taps are a fucking pain in the ass and can waste hours and hours of time or ruin parts.

People who actually use this shit don't want rusty old sets like this, but would pay 25-50 bucks, maybe,

>>1450825
>>1450824
Aside from the rust or shitty Chinese tolerances, what about the metal and heat treating? Will a quality set from 50 years ago hold up as long as a good set made today?

>>1450831
High speed steel started being used in 1910. It's heat treat hasn't changed in principle. Quality HSS beats the shit out of carbon steel all day long. Period. Age and Eras don't really matter, wear and its steel matter

>>1450824
btw the dies that aren't split apart and don't have a set-screw for tightening/loosening them are only for cleaning up existing threads, they will break if you try to cut a thread with them. I think.

Those look like they're split so probably can be used for cutting new threads, although I've never had good results with thread cutting dies.

>>1450628
The tap handles and the thread pitch gauge would be the most valuable parts of that set, but the handles look like chrome plated rusty bullshit, instead of a high quality tool.

pic related, high quality starrett thread pitch gauge

>>1450628
I would much rather use a made in USA old rusty bullshit tap and die set than a new Chinese one, if that helps any.

>>1450726
The type of hipster faggots that would be obsessed with "muh vintage" probably don't even know what a tap is or be in the market for them.

>>1450628
this is some bdsm shit

>>1450849
That's because you're retarded.

>>1450849
wat. Where did you hear that?
>>1450810
AFAIK, HF does not sell a set that is actually HSS. Just hardened carbon steel, and one that is the same with TiNi coating. HF taps and dies also have bad geometry and aren't deburred out of the box. IMO for actual cutting, just buy individually the taps/dies you need new (and of HSS). Old sets that are rusty and may have been worn down with use (and may not be HSS either unless specified) and HF are mostly just good for thread repair. Fixing a broken tap is just misery it is usually better to just toss the part and start anew. Don't fuck around and take risks with this.

>>1450914
This, don't cheap out on taps.

>>1450914
>AFAIK, HF does not sell a set that is actually HSS. Just hardened carbon steel, and one that is the same with TiNi coating

Most tap sets are carbon steel. Gearwrench and Irwin and Vermont American and other brands you typically find are all carbon taps.
HSS taps cost double or more, and Irwin and the like already are expensive.

>>1450928
>Irwin and the like already are expensive.
>$7 for an irwin tap/drill combo
>A proper tap is maybe $10
>Expensive
Uwotm8, taps aren't expensive at all unless you need a massive one.

>>1450937
10$ a pop adds up real quick when you are trying to build a set, or buy a full set. Especially when you have to buy metric and standard and pipe sizes.

And that is expensive when a 40 piece harbor freight set costs $15$ then add on a 20% off coupon.

>>1450944
youll never use 3/4 of that kit just fucking buy as needed, im a machinist

>>1450914
Ahh good to know. I still have a tap + die set on my list, but it was mostly to restore threads, not really cutting new ones. I saw a Craftsman set on sale for about $120 that was pretty inclusive and almost jumped on it, but I’m sure it was carbon steel. I looked at the HF sets a few times but idk if I would trust that type of tool from there.

>>1450945
That’s the same shit as sockets and wrenches. Do you really want to have to run to Home Depot in the middle of a project for that one tap or socket you don’t have?

>>1450945
Im a machinist by trade and as my main hobby too.
Are you buying single collets too?

>>1450944
That HF set will cost a lot more when you break a tap in a $100 part. Buy as needed, a solid tap will last a home guy their whole life unless they're stupid. $60 to start and $6-10 a couple times a year if even that is nothing. Cheap tools are a false economy.

>>1450955
>I'm a machinist too
If you actually are and aren't just a shop money then you should know better than to trust HF taps.

>>1450959
It was to add context to the "expensive" part.
You walk into a store and can either buy an irwin tap for 7$, a whole set for 15$, or buy a butterfield tap off the internet for 12$

Seeing how the carbon irwin taps dont actually cut much better than the harbor freight taps, it IS very expensive because you are essentially forced into buying high end tooling.

>>1450954
But an acceptable set of sockets is way cheaper and less inherently consumable than a tap or die set. Anyway, just get 10-32, 1/4-20, 5/16-18, 3/8-16, 1/2-13. Don't know as much as far as metric (m4-m10 course pitches only?) as I only very rarely work on metric stuff.

>>1450955
If you are, then you should know that HSS and non-sketchy geometry is a must. And you should know the pain that is a broken tool stuck in your part.

>>1450698
Well I'm glad you did. I'm not much of a handyman just yet, 31 now and just learning this. Guess it's just that not all of us learn everything at the exact same time.
Thanks everyone for your help, I'm keeping this shit!

>>1450628
Tap and die set.

>>1450629
Thread gauge. Used for finding out the pitch of threads on things like bolts, taps, threaded holes, etc. Those are worth money to collectors for some weird reason.

>>1450705
That is how they used to come from the factory but that box does look pretty janky compared to a factory one. Putting them in bags is a bad idea. They bang together and it damaged the threads on the taps.

>>1450738
Some of them say "LEHMAN ARCHER" on them. Better pictures not taken by a medium-sized ant would help.

>>1450628
>vintage tap & die set
>doesn't look like the thread pitch gauge is for the set

Cool old set you got there anon. It is too bad your not smart enough to know what it is

>>1451021
>your not smart enough

>>1450757
>File: TracyToolsBoltsBig.png
printed letter size to go in shop
if I like how it looks in shop, will get poster size

>>1450698
dont be a fucking dick

>>1450810
THe toool steel back then was generally much higher quality, lowest common denominator cutting tool from the 1900s-1960s would be an ultra premium super expensive model today retailing about 150% of the cheap shit.

>>1450738
OP here, not sure about the brand, which I suppose is what you're asking for? I will try and find out for you when I get home in a bit. I'm from Spain though, I would think American brands weren't too common over here? I'm not sure, let me have a look later.

>>1450628
thread cutters

>>1450757

>>1451191

>>1451192

>>1451170
Actually, it turns out to be a US made set, from the brand a previous anon mentioned!

>>1450738
At least the gauger thing is that brand. The other pieces have a different name written on them (see pic)
US made set across the Atlantic. I wonder now if it was a common brand sold in Europe back then, or instead ended up here by some chance

>>1450628
>>1450628
>tools or pieces I don't recognize. It's supposedly from the 1940s\
WTF?
>IDK what a Tap and Die set is???
did you grow up in a plastic bubble?
ever heard of Bolts/ nuts? (Not Balls!)

>>1450640
tap and die

>t. Electrician

>>1451208
I'm not an English native speaker, and as I said before, I'm not a handyman either, so yeah, never heard of the name before.

Do you anons know if this brand was sold in Europe back in those days?

>>1451110
Hahahahahahaha

>>1451298
Yeah I’m gonna take that comment with a grain of salt. Even crappy stuff these days will typically work better than high quality stuff from 100 years ago.

>>1451315
Every now and again the local Snap-on dealer offers to trade me a new loaded top of the line toolbox in exchange for my old blue point tools from the 1930s. No sane person should take them up on that offer, as the quality of workmanship, and design have gone downhill over the years. That new chinese garbage will never compare to the old tools that came out of Milwaukee Forge. My Blue Point tools will be around hundreds of years from now, while slap-on and others are melted down and turned into rebar.

>>1451110
Wat. Carbon steel is carbon steel. It is specifically called it as such. And as far as tool steels in general, there is a quantum leap in improvement in that time frame, let alone from them to now.

>>1451347
Way to compare apples to oranges.

>>1451201
I suspect that the thread gauge is not the original provided with this set. Based on the obvious hacking done to the box lid >>1450628 to get the cover to close.

>>1451359
Well. The steels used in most cheap (and even non cheap) tools today is full of impurities, because it's not manufactured very well.

You can totally get awesome metal that's light years ahead of what they did in the 30s, but you pay out the ass for it. This industrial tooling is affordable only to chinese industry now.

>>1451360
Use the right tool for the job. Apples don't belong in the workplace.

>>1451370
You know that just because a tool has steel in it, that doesn't make that steel a "tool steel," right? Tool steel is a little more specific than just "the steel that is used in making some tool."

>>1451382
tool steel is folded at least 4 times in the forging process. not rolled, not extruded, not cast

>>1451370
There are standards for tool steels from a variety of professional organizations. There's the chance of a company fraudulently passing off it off spec stuff as being compliant but I don't hear about it happening very often. Furthermore, there are new steel alloys that have come into common use since back in the day that are much improved in a variety of ways, not to mention powder metallurgy and other more exotic things.

>>1451269
http://progress-is-fine.blogspot.com/2017/09/vanished-tool-makers-lal-ltd-lehmann.html

>>1451269
>>1450987
Im sorry you didnt have a father growing up anon. Maybe if your moyher wasnt a whore you would know basic bitch shit about basic tools and how to use them.

>>1450628
I found my old grandpa's wooden box with threading tool a few months ago, I keep it clean and tied it with occasional w40 baths

Better do the same

>>1450707
He's got a point you know

>>1451678
>w40 baths
wat wd 40 is corrosive get machine oil instead
wd is for cleaning

>>1451678
>PB blaster
Meme40 is for know nothing housewives to fix a squeekey door for ten minutes until it starts squeeking again.

>>1451682
why did I hear this in morgan freemans voice

>>1451315
>>1451359

no, it's that there is now a range of quality options in steel cutting tools that ranges from sintered chinesium garbage from the dollar store to butter soft Kobalt dogshit from home dipshit to professional quality warranteed tools and super premium hobbyist tools made from proper steels and quality approved. When this set was made, nobody back then was deliberately making shit tier steel tools to gain market share at the expense of quality.

can you get better tool steels today? sure. but this set, brand new in 2018, would be Snap On or Matco, not Harbor Fright.

deliberately shitty tool steels did not exist when these were made.

>>1451708
you have a fetish for black men

>>1451614
Butthurt much, anon?

>>1451582
Thanks anon! I assumed US meant United States, but I see this is an English made set. Do you know what US might stand for then?

>>1451863
Probably referring to a thread standard. This is old enough that it may be labeled under Unites States Standard (properly USS) rather than Unified Thread Standard (UNC, UNF, UNEF, UNS). IIRC, for UTS was developed for international compatability between the US and Commonwealth during WWII for the war aid.

>>1450698
Mebbe Op grew up in a household that wasn't so dirt poor that they had children fixing shit?

>>1451884
Thanks anon, that was interesting

>>1450628
Its a tap kit. you can tap phones by drilling those into phone lines. only those old ass phones from the 1940s & 50's though.

>>1450707
OH SHIT!

>>1451347
>My Blue Point tools will be around hundreds of years from now, while slap-on and others are melted down and turned into rebar.

Steel made in the 1930s has fewer radioisotopes in it (made before atmospheric nuclear testing). Odds are those tools will be melted down pretty fast if you sell them.

>>1451678

>>1450628
Die thread set. Put threads onto whatever you want

>>1450757
>binocular bolt
lmao

>>1450628
the round bits put threads on a rod or what not, the drill bit looking parts are to put threads in a hole you drilled out, so you can put screws in etc.

reeeee i hate not having an abundance of old tools to buy from fml

>>1450849
>although I've never had good results with thread cutting dies
Maybe if you weren't retarded and used the appropriate (thread) cutting fluid or paste, it would have gone differently.

https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%88%D0%BA%D0%B0

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tap_and_die

>>1450743
>not prefering the infinitely sexier 812
baka

>>1450698
Dam he look sexy af

>>1450698
Sounds like you sound yourself with a thread tap friend.

Its a tool that you will never use either and your waterhead kid will ask what it is in 50 yrs

>>1457520
already have one, bro I need the 32