/diy/ - Do It Yourself

>>1445734
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UUDsElQQt_gCZ9LgnW-7v-cQ

lapsus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UUDsElQQt_gCZ9LgnW-7v-cQ

pic rel is what Im thinking abotu foundation, absoltuly no McSlab pour

>>1445736
is that McRebar m80?

>>1445751
>not using meteoric iron cold-hammered to shape using stone tools

>>1445754
>>1445751
>McRebar

yep, McRebar DoubleSteel with Concrete on top, our man Chip Lee sold it to me personally, get your 20% off if you buy in the next week.

I have no idead why did they put that next to nice stones, or is it just the top stone?
Either way McRebar + Stone combo lowers the stone lifespan since it will rot away from water and expand...and then expand the stone. Same with McConcrete - it rots away from water, Stone only is best for foundation.

Is there a mortar that wont expand?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5qVxAoKwbE

>>1445734

Oh boy, you WILL struggle m8.

1) Most building permits require an engineer to approve the building plan, most engineers never dealt with cob constructions, thus having one approve your plans will be a chore
2) You would need to procure a land that will have the proper zoning and on top of that some neighborhood standards you must adhere to
3) You'd need a heavy machinery to dig up the trenches for your stone foundations, pour some crushed stones in in and trample them to ensure drainage before you can even start
4) Stone foundations require people who know what the fuck are they doing and with the cob walls, you'd need at least half a meter (1.5 feet) or so of thickness for a one floor building
5) Cob walls require proper composition of clay, sand and straw, having it off will get you cracks, or crumbling
6) Wood floor is standard but if you want to have the posh curvy walls, you'd get a lot of scrap along them
7) Termites and other burrowing insects/rodents will develop a keen interest in your walls
8) If you do not intend to actually pay people to muscle the building for you (for the most part people would have no idea about cob buildings and demand more) you'd need a strong back and a healthy amount of friends/family to shoulder your burden, cob is labor intensive material
9) You'd get a nice cozy home if you manage to push through but it will be a few years of constant struggle and will come up not really much cheaper than a normal construction

>>1445756
>Same with McConcrete - it rots away from water, Stone only is best for foundation.

you want to try and outlast the Pantheon? there's no point. someone will come along and demolish your house a few years after you are gone to build a McMansion

>>1445761

Pantheon walls are 10 meters thick, it's concrete the finest in the ancient world and it's form sturdy as fuck. Comparing it to a normal house is not really fair.

>>1445758
Thanks for the answer, Im primarily interested in smth that will last and where I wont get ripped of by shady contractors with names such as Chip Lee etc.

1) Legalization is a big issue, if I would it will be on a big piece of land so it might help.

2)if its isolated, Im sorted out like that Austin guy.

3) This is what Im interested in - if the soil is good, foundations dont seem to be deep, most stone foundations if built on flat and have one one 1-2 floors are relativly low (1-1.5m)...?

4) Stone foundations require people who know what the fuck are they doing and with the cob walls, you'd need at least half a meter (1.5 feet) or so of thickness for a one floor building

I might overconfident, but stone seems to more straightforward and better ROI (possibly even cheaper straightforward, but definitely not faster) method than McSlab concrete + McRebar

5) Cob seems complex, Im pro cob since that Austin guy suggested that stone is bad for isolation, which I havent experiences, if stone walls are +1m, isolation is great (Dalmatian houses in Croatia)

6) I would like straight walls, curvy walls look to yuppie/hippie

7) Termites are a big issue with cob? mind you I would like to combine cob + stone for walls

8) issue I agree

9) it can be cheaper if it suits your situation and if you are crafty, if not, its more pricey

>>1445763
>>1445761
>it's concrete the finest in the ancient world and it's form sturdy as fuck

isnt Pantheon only precise masonry without concrete?

>>1445761
>>1445763
>>1445765
>isnt Pantheon only precise masonry without concrete?

*without mortar?

>>1445761
>you want to try and outlast the Pantheon? there's no point. someone will come along and demolish your house a few years after you are gone to build a McMansion

I would agree with you if McMansions were actually priced cheaply, when you do the math prices are suprisingly close.

ekhm, resale value + I have a phisically sense of illness being surrounded with shortlasting stuff...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTQ3uvowe5U

>>1445765
>isnt Pantheon only precise masonry without concrete?
Nope. Structurally, it's all unreinforced concrete. Romans loved concrete. Some parts were faced with brick, stone, or artwork, but the dome is bare.

>>1445734
Splooge.

If I had a Mulligan in life, I'd either apply myself in college, or not go and build a house on a few acres.

Either would have been a better use of 4 years of the price of my life and $40,000.

even the most peasant houses used to be built on STONE!

>>1445770
>Some parts were faced with brick, stone, or artwork, but the dome is bare.

Roman concrete was smth, Imagine doing such a dome today with McRebar.

>>1445771
>Splooge.

why?

>>1445770
>Some parts were faced with brick, stone, or artwork, but the dome is bare.

but the rest of Pantheon was stone, brick etc...did they used mortat to connect the stones or was it just bare stone?

Instead of cob you could always try a cordwood wall on top of your stone foundation. It goes up faster and easier and may last longer depending on your weather.

>>1445795

>>1445796
I've never done a house out of cordwood but we've got plans on building our addition and shop out of it.

>>1445795
>cordwood

This looks promising, I never wanted to do the mudwork, just looked for smth with better thermal properties than stone.
I assume its thermal properties in winter are spectacular, do you know how does it behave in summer?

>>1445797
What a beautiful house, but the foundations are a total eyesore.

>>1445758
People build cob houses all the time now and there are codes in place for those types of houses now.

>>1445734
Stone and cob are great. You'll spend most of your money on the roof. Make it steep and metal. I'd recommend slate, but unless you are in Europe, it will get ripped off and replaced within one generation of you. Roofing contractors hunt slate roofs down here and convince owners to remove them for asphalt. They even go so far as to hammer up the old slate as they toss it so no one else can use it.

>>1445795
>>1445796
>>1445797
I know a few people who have houses with that. They were built in the 1970s. Each of them have had running cracks that needed to be fixed or completely rebuilt in those sections in the 1990s. Each owner was like, "It lasted this long and that's great!" I only know this because I actually visited everyone in the area with those types of houses and talked to them about it.

>>1445805
I was wondering if a local code forced then into a block foundation. But I can't understand why they didn't cover it.

https://www.motherearthnews.com/green-homes/cordwood-walls-thermal-efficiency-zmaz83jfzraw

>>1445824
Because of the way the wood expands and contracts I think most people plan on repairing or replacing some of the motor every 15-20 years

>>1445845
Yeah, that is total shit to me.

>>1445734
>no McDrywall, McCheapwoodFraming and no McConcreteSlab.

On /diy/
Not using McContainers and McPallets.

>>1445930
>DIYCaptcha.png

Top kek.

>>1445820
>You'll spend most of your money on the roof. Make it steep and metal.

Metal beams for roof? Honestly, Idk why more people dont use metal roofing insted of wood, how much more weight is that on the house? Do they rust with time or have some inherited issue for people to prefer wood?

>>1445930
>Not using McContainers and McPallets.

McContainers >>>>>>>>> McDrywall

>>1445820
>Stone and cob are great.

do you know what kind of filling is on this scandinavian houses? Its wood+smth, it looks like cob covered with smth or cordwood covered?

TIMBER FRAMING, ANON

>>1446387
Wattle and daub.

>>1446413
>Wattle and daub.

is it good for isolation, can it be combined with stone pillars? with a bit of a wood frame to hold it together?

>>1446406
>TIMBER FRAMING, ANON

nothing wrong with it unless McFrame

>>1446387

I've seen better workmanship from drunk crackheads.

>>1446419
>I've seen better workmanship from drunk crackheads.

you do realize that that house might be 200 years old? Even, starting from today it will outlast the McFraming matchboxes

>>1445756
Thanks for the video, do you have more information on construction materials and practices?

>>1446421
framing hasn't changed in almost 200 years. stop spouting bullshit.

>>1445939
>Do they rust with time
only if you use cheap chink steel. metal roofs are the best bang for your buck in terms of durability and cost. the only way to upgrade is to go straight to clay/concrete tile. the oldest roof in the world is metal btw.

>>1446435
>do you have more information on construction materials and practices?

this is not my profession, I just look stuf with critical eyes and notice things. Mike Haddocks channel is genius, what interests you, maybe I can help?

>>1446436
>framing hasn't changed in almost 200 years

I didnt say it did, but the quality of it did. You used to use hardwood and mortise tenon joints (100 years lifespan), now they use cheap pinewood and screws (20 years)...and fill it with cancer inducing plastic.

>>1446438
>metal roofs are the best bang for your buck in terms of durability and cost. the only way to upgrade is to go straight to clay/concrete tile. the oldest roof in the world is metal btw.

are you reffering to metal framing or metal roofs? I think framing with metal insted of wood is defiently superior, but steel sheet as tiles is too hot for the summer unlike terracota tiles...?

>>1446441
>what interests you
designing a homestead to outlast the Pantheon
basically the basics foundations/walls/timber-framing

>>1446447
>designing a homestead to outlast the Pantheon

same as me then, look up Mike Hannocks video where he analyses old STONE castles.

>>1446450
Thanks!

>>1446436
>>1446441
>I didnt say it did, but the quality of it did. You used to use hardwood and mortise tenon joints

modern framing should even be called that, its a phasade. look at the vid below for proper wood framing method and proper wood type

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s84MJ7b1GNo

>>1445734
Bad idea. Buy a trailer instead. You're welcome.

>>1446441
>tiles is too hot for the summer

The roof should be made to have enough air flow to allow all heat to vent away from it quickly. If you are still worried about heat or want a furnished attic, I suggest you use cool colors to reflect as much sun light as possible. The material type of the roof doesn't matter when it comes to heat, but its color matters a great deal. White is best while black is worst. Bare/clear coated metal isn't as good as white paint at reflecting light. Mylar is better than white paint, but only about 10% better, and it gets damaged in the sun over time so don't compare it to regular metal roofing reflectivity for this purpose.