/diy/ - Do It Yourself

>>1436887
>However, I think the same thing that happened in Russia in 1998 or Venezuela today, can happen here.


actually you are a SHTF survivalist if you think the USA can collapse like Venezuela.

It's nice to be self-sufficient, but do it because it's smart, and don't do anything to prepare for armageddon. If you spend $20 of your time and resources to produce $19 worth of goods, you are doing it wrong, unless you are doing it because you love raising catfish.

>>1436895
I don't really think it can crash as badly as Venezuela in the present or next 30 years. I'm not here to argue politics or anything, but the demographics of the USA are changing, whether I agree with it or not. In maybe 40-60 years, I could see a full Venezuela situation happening, but I'll have something to pass onto my future children to maybe help them out too.

>>1436887
I spent 5 years looking for 30 acres give or take. Settled for 4.5 and a house for now. Shit is getting hard to get man. Pic a direction from where you are now with an interesting drive or cool stops along the way and just drive an hour or 2. Get all realtors sites along the way and check em daily. Put an add in the paper since half of america is old as shit and still reads it.

If thst doesn't pan out drive further or pick another direction.

If you drive far enough you wont have a problem. A dude i met truck driving bought 1,000 acres in Wyoming for 30k. It's all shitty rock land. He got his cdl so he can buy a dumo truck and haul dirt while he is home. He's going to build cucksheads and let people live there free for 4 hours of gardening work a day in a greenhouse. Has his brother living there to manage shit. He had like 6 cucksheads a decade ago. Either it bombed or im about to see him on the news for thebworlds largest community garden

>>1436887
You want goats for fun and weed controll. You can shave the sheep and have it processed into insulation.

>>1436887
Long winded as fuck but well worth 20 minutes. https://youtu.be/ZD_3_gsgsnk

Consider this for your home as well

>>1436895
Catfis ponds are fun. Especially if you toss a few monsters in there and feed them.

>tfw catfish fry without pulling an all nighter on the river

>>1436895

Anon the 2008 crash by all rights should have Zimbabwed our ass.

We printing fake money on levels unheard of.

The more i study personal finance and investing the more terrified i get and the less i want cash ever at all...

>>1436887
Also see: >>>/out/1330987

>>1436887

If Venezuela happens here (and it can: in the age of Bernie Sanders, it's worth remembering that Chavez's election slogan literally translated to, "Hope and Change" a decade before Obama ran on the same platform.) If it happens, one step in socialism is always government nationalizing productive land. Your sweet homestead will be handed to a local political crony.

Read Ferfal, who went through something similar in Argentina. Urban areas have too many people chasing too few resources. Rural areas have too few people guarding too many resources. Suburbs and small towns have a better balance, and are communities you can embed yourself into for mutual protection. Especially local politics, where friendly relations with the local political boss can exempt you from the worst ravages of socialism.

Autonomy is nice for all kinds of reasons but not practical as economic collapse insurance. I'm not saying don't do it, but don't expect it to save you from the compassion brigades because you've in essence made yourself a kulak.

I'd suggest Appalachia. Mountainous areas always resist martial law better than flat plains.

>>1436916

Goats and sheep both produce milk, meat, leather, wool. Even the horns and bone have value. Milk cycles are limited; even carefully timing your births and choosing a milking breed won't prevent you from having milkless periods.

Goats tend to prefer browsing (eating stuff that's off the ground, like weeds). Sheep tend to be grazers, and most breeds aren't as self sufficient as goats, goats protect themselves better from predators, too. OTOH, goats are a pain in the ass to keep. The males smell like nothing you'd believe in season. They're cantankerous and can wander off.

Be advised that if you keep billies and rams together, the billies will be injured (rams get in under the goat's head). Goats are also sensitive to copper (which is found in sheep supplements).

Whichever you go for, be sure to fence off your grazing areas and rotate them. This forces them to have a balanced diet, and disrupts the lifecycles of parasites.

Milking is a PITA. Be prepared for them to poop in the milk pail. Or, better yet, get a machine.

>>1436914
Seems a bit off to get a 1000 on the dot and not like a section line of 640 and a half section of 320. I mean hell you are lucky to even get a section of land together let alone a bordering half section without paying whore tier prices.

>>1436998
If more this ignorant ass. Appalachia, especially southern Appalachia, is a backward shithole where you won't be accepted. By people much more capable and willing to do violence to your person. And the schools suck. And the water is barely drinkable. The weather is unbearable. And modal music. And sodomy. Among other things. Take my advice, stay the fuck out of Appalachia. Move to the midwest.

Quality thread

>>1437077
This. Most shut-in areas are extremely incestuous. I don't mean the sex part but how they are tight-nit when it comes to outsiders. Everyone and his brother from the mailman to the magistrate will work against you specifically to drive you out. That is no joke.

Places with ancient crossroads or a, "new," population will always be a better place to move to where you won't strictly be an, "outsider".

>>1436914
I'm tied to a job that pays $50,000 yearly but with all of the overtime I work, I make ~$65,000 so foreseeable future I don't want to have to commute far. More commute time = less overtime money. I live in a large town / small city that is nothing but rural farmland and wooded area surrounding it for about an hour or two of driving in every direction: Ocean/Sound/Wetlands (East), another town the same size (North and South), or a much larger city (west). So driving further just makes it harder to find the type of land I'm looking for anyway. As stated before my trouble is that everyone is either selling 1 Acre or 1000 acres, nothing in between.

>mfw got a house and garage on 60 acres for 110k canuckbucks

I got a screaming deal though, divorce sale and I got it before it even went on the market.
The house needs work, it's only 20 years old but was never completely finished and has had approximately zero maintenance since it was built
Red is property lines, approx. '1500 of water frontage with full access to all of it by truck and a section of island, the area in blue is mostly marsh/wetlands, lots of ducks to hunt, beavers and muskrats for trapping, and woods full of partridge.
So far I've spent the summer working on clearing the area in green, it's all overgrown field full of saplings and brush, I want to construct a pole barn there eventually for storing equipment and possibly some livestock.
The land is relatively rocky, but the ground along the river and on the island are extremely fertile, I hope to get a decent garden in on the shore next year, the river floods every year in the spring thaw putting about half the land underwater which is inconvienient but good for the soil

>>1436887
Instead of quails ducks and turkeys raise rabbits. Two does and one buck can produce around 200lbs of meat a year and take up a lot less room than the larger birds. You also wouldn't have to worry about keeping the birds separate because you can't keep chickens and turkeys near each other.

>>1436887
Brings me back to Harvest Moon.

>>1436887
I'm currently doing exactly what you're describing, and the first tip I offer is have double the money you think yoy will need.
I bought 50 acres on a river with a pond and a 100 shit hole farm house for 300k. I've spent 50k on a fucking gravel road thats a bit less than 3/4 mile long that goes to my house site. I've spent 50k on a tractor, 25k on implements, 15k on clearing trees. And I'm about to break ground for my 550k house. I was expecting to spend maybe 700-800k overall but this will end up well beyond a million dollars of investment. We have horses, chickens, soon we will get ducks, and we have a very large garden.
I would add that your biggest obstacle will be the city planner amd all of the absurd regulations and requirements he will thrust upon you

>>1437180
I don't care about that. Just stay the fuck out of southern Appalachia. It's the worst place on earth, far as y'all need to know.

>>1437533
I did pretty much everything you did but spent less than 120k. If you have th fu da more power to you, but it doesn't need to be as expensive as you make it sound

>>1437621
** the funds.

And if you're far enough out in country you shouldn't have to worry about any inspectors. My neighbors built a 100x60 barn last year without any government involvement

>>1437533
550k house??? Wtf are you even doing on /diy/

>>1437630
Not him, but why is this a problem? People with means can have the same amount of personal responsibility and pride in their own work. Good sense isn't just for people struggling to make ends meet.

>>1436919
>and no more all nighters on the river
Must be nice to be able to say so nonchalantly you lucky faggot

>>1437637
Well he comes off like he's whining about how much shit cost then says he's building a house for half a mill

>>1437630
>>1437645

Its because I still care about money that I can afford things like a $500k house. A million dollars is still a fuck ton of money, I never thought I would spend that much money on anything. And what do you mean am I doing on /diy/? I enjoy doing things with my hands and being self sufficient, and I have the money to do what I want so I chose to build a fucking farm.

>>1437533
That's way too much for a tractor...

>>1437691
thats true unless he got a real tractor and not a pussy version like you.

>>1437074
Cheapest lots I've seen where I'm from is ~ $300/acre.
Course the reason it's so cheap is that the lots are a 2-hour drive from a small middle-of-nowhere village, often next to a native reserve, and no power/phone/data for miles, and sometimes it's only accessible by boat or plane.
Anything near a "desirable" city can cost $20k-100k an acre, it's nuts.

>>1437691


>>1437711
That tractor is one step below thr one I got. I have the 45hp Kioti that I bought brand new

>>1437739
how does your asshole feel after that epic fucking?

>>1437874
Kek

>>1437874
Not too bad considering it came with a bush hog and a grapple. But stay mad poor fag, keep buying your used tractors that break down every week.

>>1437711
>>1437739
Nigga you could literally buy a 4x4 steiger for 25k pretty easy, not to mention 2 wheel drives case/ihc or John deere tractors with pto drives and been way under budget for that lawn mower of tractor by a magin of 20k easy.

Awww, ffs. Here we go again. Was actually enjoying this one.

>>1437899
And get no warranty, no front end loader, no grapple, no bush hog, and have someone elses abuse on it? No thank you. How about you poorfags keep your retarded financial advice to yourselves. Obviously I looked at Deere and used tractors but the new was better in this case.

>>1437939
Nigga repairs on them cost just about nothing, plenty of them come with front and rear loaders. You got screwed because you know nothing about tractors and decided new was the best choice.

>>1437304
You can die if a majority of what you eat is rabbit.
Web search: protein poisoning. They don't have enough nutrients for humans basically.

>>1437899
alibaba has mid sized agra tractors for 10k, tractors are cheap as shit.

>>1437973
Some people use Belarus tractors, but when I need them to work for 50 plus years I get domestic brands .

>>1437893
>But stay mad poor fag
see you assume i'm poor but i own tractors FAR more expensive then your little piece of shit and i guarantee my networth means you look like a fucking ant.

>came with a bush hog and a grapple
so fucking what? for $50k you could have gotten a hell of a lot more of a tractor even brand fucking new. i paid $42k for a 80hp JD with self leveling loader and 4 attachments. how fucking stupid do you have to be to pay $50k for some gook piece of shit? you could even have gone used and gotten something far more capable for half the price

>>1437992
>Belarus tractors
saw a couple of their machines at a farm show last year and they seemed pretty interesting. i'd never buy another import but their tractors are priced pretty nice and they are all mechanical. no bull shit electronics, basic old school cab with levers and such, and no DEF. of course that also means no comforts like suspension, air seat etc. if their quality and parts availability is decent they would be nice but i wouldn't want to spend 12 hours a day without at least an air seat

Not exactly related to homesteading per say but can anyone tell me about homesteading in Oregon, is living there rurally a pipedream at this point?

>>1437970
You wouldn't just be eating rabbits and nothing else. He said he would be raising a garden plus there's more than enough fat in the chicken egg/meat and the goat milk/meat. You can also just eat the marrow from the rabbit bones if it's for survival.

>>1438024
pussy

Nobody brought it up but the rule of thumb for subsistence living is one acre per mouth to feed, 2 acres per horse/cow. a half acre vegetable garden can feed 5 done well. grow wheat, beans, and corn in rotation on the rest.
you will need to compost everything, especially human waste. coop your chickens to collect the manure, same with rabbits, stall your horses and cows for the same.

your poop pile will be one of the most valuable items on your farm post-society. treasure it.

>>1438042
i've spent enough time waiting for parts from Europe, not gonna do it again. having a tractor down 6 months waiting for a clutch pack gets pretty fucking expensive when you depend on that tractor to make a living

>>1436887
landwatch com

parcel size 11-50 acres

price low to high

>complicated

>>1437533
WTF are you doing developing a farm in an area where a city dictates zoning? You dun shot yerself inna foot, anon. You brought this upon yourself.

>>1438019
>he mad

>>1438094
Because I have to be close to civilization for work, I can only get so far away. Most all of the builders I talked to wouldnt break ground without a building permit anyways, which involves getting the epa guy to ensure we arent hurting lil critters shit. For example, I wanted to have 4 houses on my property for family to live in, but that would qualify it as a neighborhood development, which means the driveway would need to be paved and cost over $100k, so we put each house on a 10.1 acre tract, which qualified the driveway as an easement and only needs 8 inches of compacted gravel and drainage ditches instead of being paved. It's just all of the small regulations that get in the way it complicate shit.

>>1438104
why would i be mad? you're the retard pissing away money for no reason. just wait until your wife starts fucking the neighbor because you blew your load on an overpriced piece of shit and can't buy her anymore diamonds

>>1438136
stop projecting, nigger

>>1438169
you seem like a child. safe assume your daddy bought all this shit and now you feel like you need to defend his stupidity

>>1437180
that's the correct way to deal with shtf

>>1437672
>diy
>pays other people to do things themselves

>>1437893
I have a 1963 Massey Ferguson 35, its been used continuously for over 45 years for most of the year. It has over 10000 hours on it and it runs fine. My neighbor has a ford 9n he paid 1500 for. Has 6000 hours on it with no issue. Never breaks down. You know nothing about tractors. I sense a larp. New tractors are terrible, especially mahindra. They always break out of warranty. Kabotas are okay but they do have a problem with small bits and electrical stuff breaking and parts are expensive.

>>1438409
>electrical stuff breaking
that's damn near all newer tractors. there's more electronic shit packed into tractors then many cars these days. it's a real bitch when you constantly need a tech out with a laptop

>>1438409
>I sense a larp
Lets see that 85hp and multi-million dollar bank account anon

>>1438416
Bit of odd place to ask but do you have the bootleg techie shit for John deere?

>>1436887
>insulate me against a very bad economy
You cant. Owning large lands will be branded "luxury" and taxed heavily until you get evicted and it sold off to "foreign investors" that speculate on prices and will try to sell it back 10x more expensive when you slaving from your 2x2m block apartment bring the economy back up.

>>1438409
This. Been running my 1968 UK built IH 434 that I inherited from my grandfathers estate for 15 years now, never had a failure, just preventative maintenance and upgrades. Converted to negative ground, ditched the generator for an alternator, added power steering, rewired front to back, led lighting, converted to a real bucket with dual acting cylinders on the loader and bucket. The things been a workhorse.
I'm just now looking to add a second tractor to my fleet, I got a stupid good deal on a 7 foot snowblower and would like something with enough power to run it, 4x4 would be very nice as well.
I'm a truck/heavy equipment tech by trade, the last thing I want to do is diagnose and repair electrical and aftreatment issues on my own tractor. Vehicles and equipment aren't overbuilt like they used to be. For that reason I daily a 1979 f150, and just built my own wood splitter and starting out building a bandsaw mill so I can build my pole barn from scratch with lumber from my acreage

>>1437304
Rabbits + chickens is a golden combo. I currently hold 30 chickens and about 15 rabbits, one is on his way out about to become a pair of slippers.

>>1438509
you didn't even get a self leveling loader? what a faggot

>>1438630
nah the local dealer is pretty good so never really had a need. worse case i just swap tractors. i try not to own many with electronic shit anyway. have actually started buying more late 90s and mid 2000s tractors to get away from the electronic insanity that's been going on over the last decade. upkeep is about the same when you eliminate the high cost of replacing electronics and you're paying about $80k rather then $300k

>>1438643
how deep does the snow usually get? is the blower single or double auger? you'll likely want at least 100hp but 125 or so would be better. you'll also want to look for something with creeper gears or at least a fairly slow 1st reverse assuming you'll see more then a couple inches of snow. you'd be surprised how much power snow blowers can need at times. a use a 8ft blower with a 200hp tractor and at times it takes all she can put out. a cab would also be ideal.

>>1438409
yup. ford N series tractors are honestly all the small scale hobby farmer needs.

>>1436887
>I think the same thing that happened in Russia in 1998 or Venezuela today

The future will be something like Brazil and South Africa

>>1439819
Brazil hasn't started outlawing white people yet like South Africa has.

>>1438688
Shit 100 horse seems like overkill.
Eastern Canada, I can get anything from a dusting to 2 feet or more in a bad blizzard, light and fluffy or wet and heavy.
I use to blow my cousins driveway with a worn out ford 5000 super major and a good sized blower, it never seemed to have any trouble with 2 or 3 foot drifts.
The blower I got is single auger, I may clean it up an resell it for a good profit, considering I only paid $40 for it, and look for something more suitable for my 434

>>1442601
that ford would have been pushing around 70hp while your 434 is around 40.

you could get away with around 80hp with that blower but the tractor has to be capable of going slow enough at pto speed otherwise you'll be riding the clutch a lot. wet snow also takes FAR more power then dry fluffy shit.

honestly if it were me i'd look into the bigger 66 or 86 series IH. they are pretty cheap and with the torque amplifier can get moving pretty damn slow

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