/diy/ - Do It Yourself

>>1344605
I work in the "wind industry". I create and break wind all the time.

Jesus fuck man

All you really need to know is that wind is one of the worst ways to generate power. It’s inefficient, extremely expensive and isn’t anywhere near as clean as claimed.

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>>1344669
Why do they need so many workers?
Can't they just place a solar panel and stop working?

>>1344668

Don't really care, I wanna get into the industry. Particularl fibre splicing on turbines.

>>1344609
As soon as I get my poli-sci degree I'll be working in the wind industry, specializing in hot air.

>>1344669
>implying that employing people is bad
Kill yourself, neoliberal.

>>1344674
A reverse image search makes me think a tabloid called the The Washington Examiner came up with the picture. They link to this: https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2017/01/f34/2017%20US%20Energy%20and%20Jobs%20Report_0.pdf

I think they're dividing the amount of energy produced by the industry in just the year 2016 but the total number of workers including:
Production/Manufacturing positions
Installation or repair positions
Administrative positions
Management/Professional positions
Sales positions
Other positions

This would means the workers building solar farms that aren't done yet would count but the future energy it outputs wouldn't.

>>1344605
Dose shurima count as the wind industry

>>1344605
Reminder the only green energy is hydro.

>>1344686
>Reminder the only green energy is hydro.

Not really true; salmon and Native Americans hate hydro, not to mention the landowners who were paid shit for their flooded land.

Once solar panels are made, they're the most environmentally friendly source of energy.

I'm fairly close with workers in Vestas and Siemens (former Bonus) both Danish companies, and former leaders in the whole concept. And i'm studying engineering myself, so i had quiet a few technical talks with them.

>>1344679
That's hardly a fair comparison. Without any sources, i do dare say that the majority of produced solar cells never see the electric grid. There's cheap gear related panels, produced by the millions by cheap chinese hands. In the other end of the spectrum, we have all those produced for austro related equipment, satellites and so on. And they don't get the simple ones, they get insanely expensive high-effcient non-massproduced panels. That's clearly a whole industry of it own, and i bet you that the asshole in that unknown tabloid didn't have the brains to sort that stuff out.

>>1344731

Can you tell me how fibre plastic and glass, is used in the communications systems. Do you know anything about the technicians working in these fields? What are the sort of qualifications that are required? What sort of work is required in terms of installing these, are the sensors and whatnot installed post installation on site, is that the job of the telecoms technician?

Thanks.

>>1344745
Lets try some chronological answers the best i can.

The technical usage is sending information, much like through an internet cable, but as metal looses the energy over distance, it became a problem when offshore windmills took of. Light however is optimal for long distance communication, as long as your medium(cable/fiber) is clear enough, or have a few boosters if we talk 100km+. The fiber goes all the way to the "head" where it splits into several computers, some for the operations, some for sensor, and at every windfarm there tend to be at least one with prototyping equipment with extra sensors and computers. I know that there's a few specialized technician companies just in Denmark (we have an almost 50 year old tradition of windmills thou) and some five years ago, a danish manufacture started produced fibers optimized for the wind industry (i don't know if it has any major difference with common fibers, or it's just optimized in lenght and sockets, that sorta thing)

Jumping to your last question, in Denmark it seems that it is typically hooked from the windmill/farm directly to the highest backbone of the internet in the area (no ISP or similar is used)

I do not know much about the technicians in this specific field. But i do know an old scout friend working with fibers on the normal Internets implementations. He has a technicians diploma in general electrical installation (electricians, without any specific skills) and work with the cables of several companies in Denmark. His work is connection and testing, the cable installation, the digging and drawing, is done by unskilled workers.

Anything more? i see you want to work in a quiete specific area of the windmill installation field, how so?

And where are you from? There's probably a lot of variation between our countries.

>>1344669
But over time it evens out yeah?

>>1344686
Reminder manufacturing and maintenance is still required.

Agreed its the best bet. Too bad my creek has a steady stream that wont power a fucking led.

Feelsbadman

>>1344733
Or bother to look it up

>>1344760

Thanks for that. Certainly came as a surprise to me the extent to which fibre is used in turbines but it makes sense. From what little information is available on the internet it seems it's done mostly with plastic optical fibre which is something I haven't used before as I work on just the national underground telecoms network in the UK, Scotland specifically. I think it's probably similar to what your friend does; which is just hooking houses up to the internet and working on the domestic network.

Certainly in the UK there's no degrees for this type of thing, you get the accreditation to do the various jobs which takes some weeks and you're let loose. The higher level planning and whatnot perhaps they have degrees, I don't know it seems not, connection, termination, testing doesn't require a degree just experience and the accreditation.

Wind Turbines is interesting because firstly I heard through the grape vine of some guy making silly money in Germany doing offshore wind turbine termination, £10k per month. But that's possibly been inflated through the rumours. So firstly the money ought to be better than domestic. Secondly there's some big machines, it's important work, it seems clean and new. There's travel, it seems international. And it seems to be growing at a terrific rate. Just gennerally appealing. Many of the same reasons would interest me in oil and gas.

I'm just curious about the industry and getting some pointers as to how it works, or how realistic, it is to get entry in to it. Not easy since it's so niche without contacting companies directly, and I'm not even sure which companies to contact particularly.

>>1344790
Some of the companies i know of, also work on the british projects. The whole danish wind industry has a huge base in Esbjerg (The former bacon habour) and working and the offshore, could potentially get you to 10k€ yes, 5€ is more likely as a starting salary for an unskilled (but just a personal guess, the good workers there earn a lot, that's well know in Denmark)

I do not know if it's glass of plastic actually, i never bothered with that question.

If you want to work uneducated, you'll have a better chance in general maintenance or in the offshore oil business, in the same area, which could lead to better jobs in the offshore market, potentially windmills later.

Most of the workers in this field is trained in various relevant general skills on a common training facility in the city, i tried it on an unrelated occasion, it's very professional.

If you can show a CV with some cable installation or something relevant, there's potentially a high paying job for you (but with inflexible hours, in an harsh environment, but still under danish law and unions, so a high quality non the less)

>>1344803

I'm not unskilled, i've got this particular skill, I just don't have a degree in it. I believe no such degrees exist. It's this particular skill only that I'd be taking offshore, so roustabout jobs and whatnot are not something I'll be going into. My CV has UK domestic network cable installation and termination on it.

I assume you're talking about the GWO type training in Esbjerg? I've vaguely looked into that, so I'm wondering is it likely that one can self fund one's self through a Siemens or Vesta accredited Fibre course, the appropriate GWO courses and then that would put me in with a good chance of getting into this career? Understand if you don't know this but thanks for your help anyhow. And the training course, do they do Fibre?

Thanks.

>>1344678
>pol sci degree
useless faggot

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>>1344674
>>1344679
It takes an army of people to maintain solar and wind. They are easily damaged by a host of things including something as simple as storm damage.

>>1344692
>Once solar panels are made, they're the most environmentally friendly source of energy.

Nuclear is. Solar doesn't last very long before it needs replaced and doesn't produce much power during its life time either. However I'm all for solar if we can save nuclear for use in space instead.

I have rapaired some parts from them. The workers who removed them seem to have no skill in that area but its something almost anyone from /ohm/ could have done.

I also know the guys who climb them have to be able to abseil to the ground from them. I've seen pics of them practising.

>>1344833

Right? So the sensor guys, technicians, don't require much training, I don't imagine the work is rocket science though.

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>>1344668
lemee guess, you drive a pickup truck and live in a red state?

>>1344669
Solar seems like the best to me. Create jobs. Less Co2 damage.

>>1344692
>salmon and Native Americans hate hydro

Don't care. We had a solution for salmon habitat. Until the greenies convinced the NAs that pretending every creek was special was a good way to fuck over the white man.

>>1344901
Those are the exact type of people who know how wind actually works.

The government pays farmers to shit out windmills on to their farms, and then they run them on/off until the end of their lifespan. If you luck out, the damn thing *might* pay back its unsubsidized cost before it goes to shit.

Windmills are DOA in most circumstances.

>>1344901
yes and no. either way neither of those changes the fact the wind is really pretty shitty. those turbines are CONSTANTLY breaking down and they are expensive to fix. the pollution involved in the production and transportation of the parts is pretty high. hell just moving a single blade requires a semi and multiple escort vehicles. as does moving it's main frame except in that case the semi has to travel pretty damn slow. construction of the turbine and the infrastructure to support them also requires a lot of heavy equipment which of course burns a lot of fuel.

when you ignore pollution and just look at costs is doesn't make sense either. these things are generally being paid for or subsided by governments so these companies can charge whatever they fuck they want. the jobs are a nice benefit sure but they are short term jobs and don't outweigh the costs involved.

Ontario Canada recently went nuts with wind and now they pay some of the highest power rates in the world AND the taxpayers will spend the next 50 or so years paying off the debt racked up. they could have built multiple nuclear plants that produce FAR more energy and have a FAR longer service life

>>1344877
Now you really do look like a retard.

>>1344949
>these things are generally being paid for or subsided by governments
>implying fossil and nuclear are not
sure kid

>>1345081
of course they are but in the case of nuclear it's actually worth the investment. hydro is also pretty good but of course isn't an option everywhere. i'm not saying wind is all bad but but it's use should be more to supplement other power generation rather then be used on a mass scale

>>1345081
This

>>1344669
Solar is cleaner AND creates more jobs? FUCK we need to shut down coal plants immediately

>>1345083
>worth the investment
value judgment
afaic it's not worth the investment, not while the (((private sector))) and the (((military))) are running it for their own benefits and damn the negative externalities as long as they can shirk them
now, nationalize the electric utilities, cut the Pentagon's nuts off, and throw every lobbyist, every think tank shitstain, and the entire Rothschild line down the Fukushima Daiichi corium hole, never to be seen again, and maybe you'll have a point worth operationalizing

>>1345151
>AEI
those are the bourgeoisie Marx warned you about

>>1344609
being a fluffer doesn't make you a "working in the wind industry", BJ lad

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>>1344669
wonder how nuclear compares

>>1345287
Local plant here employs 4000 people running 8 reactors. Assuming 3 shift days that’s about 1300 at any one time and 166 per reactor.

>>1344901
Windmills and electric generators have coexisted for more than 150 years by now, yet their combination is still crap.

Face the truth, tree hugger: wind and solar is crap. If you've got some personal problem with CO2, support nuclear.

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>>1344745
This has nothing to do with "the wind industry" and everything to do with "the fiberoptics industry". You might as well be asking "hai guise I need someone who works in aerospace to tell me about being janitor at Boing".

>>1345697

Yeah, well none of my work colleagues know anything about the industry in wind or oil so I figure those might know more.

>>1344828
>save nuclear for use in space instead
What the fuck for? It's not like we're going to run out any time soon. Thorium is available if we ever run low on Uranium, which we won't for a few hundred years at current usage rates and with current known deposits and even ignoring breeder reactors.

>>1344949
But muh Fukushima! There might be a massive earthquake and tidal wave in Ontario that would contaminate the mooses! Won't someone please think of the mooses?!?!

>>1345081
Dude what the fuck are you talking about how retarded can you even be? nuclear is THE CHEAPEST way to produce electricity if we don't include hydro for which pretty much all of the potential has been already used in developed nations, nuclear doesn't fucking need subsidies to be economically feasible.

>>1345151
Holy shit man why are we even using machines to till our land when we could just use human power!!!! It's cleaner AND it would create a massive amount of jobs!!!! And what about factories? Shut them all down!!! Bring back craftsmen!!! More jobs!!!

>>1345412
Nuclear only belongs in space. Try reducing your consumption of energy.

>>1345701
The less use of nuclear on Earth the better for everyone.

>>1345961
That's actually a very good idea.

>>1345961
I hope it happens.

>>1344669
Did you factor in all the soldiers and all the losses required when buying hydro carbons from the Middle East?

>>1344745
The crazy money is going to be a combination of
chasing work around the country. (to a point where the sensible dudes live out of a trailer)
hazard work (climbing tall towers like cell phone, radio, or wind turbine)
All hours on call (you can't get drunk or take heavy mess if it's your turn on call)
5-15 years experience doing fiber optic and copper splicing and circuit troubleshooting/installation. (so you can get all your shit done fast enough to move onto the next $$$)

You can get the experience at the cable company, but they don't pay what you're worth because they would rather you were a pajeet working for $10/hour and turning out scandalous quality shit instead of a native citizen demanding $35

>>1345153
Fucking environmentalist shitheads like you are the ones keeping reactors from being upgraded to safer designs, and storing spent fuel offsite in a safe location or having new breeder reactors built that could reprocess spent fuel.

Reeeee

>>1346135
Israeli security concerns aren't the same as buying hydrocarbons. This isn't the 1940s. None of the recent wars have resulted in western nations buying huge deposits of crude oil from the middle east at a steal. They are because Israel likes making America jump, and Russian geopoliticing for pipelines n shit.

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>>1345705
I believe it’s Meece

>>1346139
Don't govts dislike breeder reactors because of the proliferation risk?

>>1346137

Sounds good
Sounds good
Not so fun but can deal with
I haven't got 5 years experience sadly

Can you tell me what your place in the industry is, what you've done, how you know this? And what do you mean experience at the cable company?

Thanks.

>>1345977
There's literally nothing wrong with nuclear energy.

>>1344949
>Ontario Canada recently went nuts with wind and now they pay some of the highest power rates in the world AND the taxpayers will spend the next 50 or so years paying off the debt racked up. they could have built multiple nuclear plants that produce FAR more energy and have a FAR longer service life
so wrong dipshit ontario electricity prices are fucked because of politics not fucking wind turbines sure they cost money but if 15 years worth of provincial governments didnt completely neglect what the power companies were saying about the grid and invested money back then there would be far less work now replacing obsolete equipment

>>1346192
They dislike other states having them. They are necessary, and no one would really care if the us or Russia built another. Anymore than they would care about any other reactor being built anyway, which is having a complete breakdown on camera.
The us just restarted a breeder for the first time in 20 years or something because we were running out of space fuel.
You also don't need the breeder to reprocess the fuel, it just reduces the half life of the products that need to be stored for ten gorillion years.

>>1346247
I work for the phone company in the us and talk to people and have a feel for the job environment. The cable company is better job security because they don't have to maintain copper phone lines.

>>1346298

Sorry what do you mean, the cable company? As opposed to what? The turbine services company? I don't understand what you mean.

Bottom line...wind turbines are not cost effective in the long run. High maintenance, constant problems and if you just once lose the brake or don't feather it in a strong wind it'll explode. Our company ditched these 2 years ago, solar is the next energy source.

>>1346300
The cable company. Like they sell tv service to people over a coax and fiber network

>>1346315

Right, so in America you make more money working for domestic telecoms networks than on wind farm fibre splicing?

>>1346317
No, the wind farm would have a hazard bonus, and they would presume you're very experienced so you can knock out the work really fast.

I can't imagine wind farms have enough work to make a career out of.installing or repairing fiber. Like I can see a big push when the farm is growing, but once its reached equilibrium the fiber isn't really going bad, and the backbone/splicing shouldn't need to be redone, all the stuff to the tower should be a jumper or replaceable wire.

>>1345317
And how much output per reactor?

>>1346320

Yeah I'm operating on the assumption that for the next 10 to 15 years there's going to be continued and massive growth in, particularly the offshore, wind sector. As you say I don't assume there's really any great demand for maintenance on the fibre systems once they're installed, i'm just guessing that whilst countries like France are doubling wind capacity between now and 2030, and the UK is doing similar, there's gonna be big demand and good money in the construction phases.

>>1346271
Except mutations and cancer.

>>1344745
>do they need someone to run brand new cables every week
no. just once.

>>1346320
assuming a methhead doesnt break open a fibre box to steal the batteries then set it on fire, that fibre should be good for 50+ years.

>>1346324
literal shitposting. this is only feasible in low lying swamps like the netherlands. desu, the big push is in commissioning solar farms. wind farms are incredibly expensive and solar has no moving parts.

>>1344828
how much did the first nuclear power reactor site restoration cost?

nuclear is for making bombs, dummy.

>>1344833
>>1344849
actually, they probably need to be licensed journeyman electricians. although in the UK they have some retarded system where you only need your A levels ie. a highschool education to work "supervised." their job is literally just replacing parts.

>>1344903
destroys farmland

>>1345151
coal is currently the only answer. just ask yourself the question, "which solar power station can power a small aluminium smelter?" ignore the peak values, the billion watt solar farm in india quotes the max generation but it's only about 20% efficient at full light, 8 hours of usable light a day with only about 4 hours peak sunlight gives you a tiny fraction, enough to power a few toasters.

>>1345705
nuclear reactors need to be close to major population centres just because of transmission losses. you end up with a mutagen themepark spreading towards your major cities in the long run.

>>1346139
no, current design guidelines call for building 7 layers of containment vessels for each reactor. but then they realise you can just build 7 reactors for that cost if you just have one layer per reactor.

>>1346346

Do you work in the industry? What's your experience, do you work with telecoms? Do you know any comms technicians in turbines?

As for solar being better than wind being better than nuclear or whatever, I'm really not interested in what's objectively better, i'm just interested in what the future growth industries are that can benefit myself. Certainly in the UK wind is going to have the most growth in the next 10 to 15 years compared with other forms of energy. Certainly once the turbine is in, I imagine there'll be negligible work in the communications aspects. But as long as they're commissioning new ones I assume that there are roles for communications technicians in that, and that's the career that I'm interested in.

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>>1346346
>low lying swamps
Solar doesn't break even in UK, which is why you only see it on houses,heavily subsidised,but can barely move for fucking turbines.

>>1346139
actually, nigger, I want thorium and molten salt reactors in every county
now take your kike ass back to >>>/pol/

>>1345959
if you're not trolling, go look up the Price-Anderson Nuclear Indemnity Act
if you are trolling, here's your (You), don't spend it all in one place

>>1346140
>Israeli security concerns are the same as pricing power when buying hydrocarbons
ftfy

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>>1346351
there's no shortage of work for cable layers. but just so you understand, you lay cables.

brother in law is a professional cable layer for a big company. they do all kinds of signal cables. coax, fibre, cat6. just dont expect to only lay fibre.

you're pretty fucking autistic if you want to only lay fibre optic cable only in wind turbines. you wont go pro working only on wind turbines just like every other subcontractor who works on wind turbines. you take whatever work you can get. just be aware there's no skill involved in laying cables so you're liable to get outbid by a guy with his license and a team of slaveniggers he "supervises"

>>1346351
also get a cisco cert if you want to work in the telco industry. most places require it just to apply.

>>1347541
>cisco

Never heard of it? Is it an American thing?

>>1347540

I'm not talking about cable laying particularly more cable jointing as well, I was lead to believe that there is full time work in jointing and comms on windfarms here in the UK at least, just it's very niche so hard to find information on. Thanks for the contribution anyhow.

>>1344669
>a 150-year old mature technology compared to one in its infancy, experiencing rapid development and constant improvement
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>1347542
>Never heard of it? Is it an American thing?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco_Systems

>>1347582
nice example on how to do it wrong

>>1347585
when you've got a shit-ton of desert and sucker money, who gives a fuck

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>>1346340
If you really think that nuclear powerplants are a cause of mutation and cancer you got shilled. Even the aninals living in the red zones of cherbobyl today have no.other significant 'mutations' except a sligthly lower lofe expectancy.
Anyhow nuclear is also a lot safer than most people think. Consider how many nuclear power plants there are on the world and then look at the amount of accidents related to them.

>>1346340
Retard. Coal plants put out more radiation.
kys yourself hippie shill.

>>1344669
The chart doesn't mention the fact personal installations of solar in homes account for good chunk of solar deployment. This gives them energy security without grid requirement.

Meanwhile there are no coal/nuclear personal energy security and must be dependent on large old companies.

>>1344692
Salmon
Native American

>never invented nor nurtured what ?

Wait, Nature is repleat with SocioFailures. Stand fucking aside while the 'people who accomplish things 'Come through'

Native North American'ts were the founding fathers for transplanted African't-ers of this century.

Peoples with broad shoulders, good work ethics, proud lineage will get it done

All others stand in the bread line

>>1344669
That's a cute little infographic but Solar Energy is still considered in it's infancy but if you wanted a rudimentary barometer of it's success, look at the solar technology used in space technology, ie satellites, probes and shit like Mars rovers. Expensive, of course, effective you betcha. But with time, investment tech advances and usage it will become cheaper. Also, how about you provide the same stats for the other two. Also, please lists the toll on human lives in producing said energy an long term benefits and consequences of each. You fucking ignoramus cunt. Do you even have an education beyond grade school? Were you homeschooled by your whore mother?

>>1344605
I did post tensioning on the Klondike 2 project out on oregon I also erected the catwalks and installed stairs.

>>1350029
>natives will get shit done

man, natives can't even make most of their reserves decent places to live, and the smart ones leave the reserves.

>>1350196
Muh infant technology
It grew up alongside electricity you ignorant shit. The fucking early 19th century. 1958 in space craft.

The infant technology here is nuclear.

>>1350196
>effective you betcha.

I have to point out that spacecraft are an EXTREMELY shitty example to use for the viability of phovoltaics. They don't use solar panels because it's a good option, they use them because there is literally no other viable option to power spacecraft and satellites long-term. It wouldn't matter if they cost ten times what they already do, were half as efficient, and involved the most environmentally-unfriendly manufacturing processes in history, they would _still_ be used for satellites because nothing else would work.

>>1344828
how many uranium mines are powered by nuclear power plants?

>>1348336
coal produces more waste and radioactive fallout than nuclear reactors. but you can cover a fly ash pit. you cant clean up a decommissioned nuclear site. nuclear plants have to be close to cities. so you end up creating a massive dead zone right next to your cities. no nuclear reactor site has ever been restored.

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