/diy/ - Do It Yourself

>>1304673
>90% *1.1 = 100%
wut
it should be * 10/9

>>1304675
Why would it be 10/9?

well how'd you become a licensed electrician in the first place

>>1304683
Varies by state. In NJ, you have to have 5 years of experience, then you can apply to test. Once you pass then you can apply for license and insurance.

I'm currently in the "testing" phase. But if you're asking my specifically, straight outta high school, I said fuck college and got to learning a trade.

Electricity is an extremely complex trade, and there will always be one type of work or another so I did that.

>>1304673
>horsepower

>>1304678
>90% of X
>find 100% of X
>you know 90% of X
>find 1% of X
>90%/90 =1%
>100% = 1% * 100
>90% / 90 * 100 = 100%
>simplify and rearrange
> *100/90
>*10/9

>>1304685

so how'd you learn this trade? Because in my experience electricity seems to be hard to learn.

it's hard to come by any schooling that won't fuck your wallet sideways. but it seems like the only way if you don't know anyone in the business already.

>>1304693
you can do this if they give you a really tricky question like say the power factor is 85.4%, do the same math. 100/85.4 would be how to work it out. or if its a power factor of 54.768% it'd just be 100/54.768.
wew

>>1304693
Here, try my method

%90*1.1= 100

See how I don't have a bunch of useless bullshit steps? We're not trying to be scholars we're trying to size a fucking motor.
>>1304695
I went to a tradeschool, paid for it with savings from delivering pizza, started applying all around and got a job making $8/hr. It sucked asshole, but now I have a great job and a marketable skill.

>>1304695
electricity is not hard to learn. its entirely product knowledge. depending on which speciality you choose there is more niche specific knowledge. for example watch some of the certification videos from australian TAFEs preparing people for their power company certification.

>four year apprenticeship with schooling
>they just use 4mm wire for everything domestic and spend nearly all of their time installing power points and running cable.
>watching the test preparation
>they have a copy of the test board they use at the official test
>they are literally walking them through how to find the ground rod and check that it's connected to neutral at the power point or telling them things like 300 ohms is normal for a 10m run from the grounding rod to the distribution box.

>>1304697
ok lets try this. 90 *1.1= 99
now you're going to be working on power systems that stack such devices. if you keep adding error upon error you end up with incorrect figures. say you have three stepdown transformers in series and you use those figures. 99%*99%*99% you end up multiplying your errors when you could have just known basic algebra.

>>1304695
As for it being hard to learn... yes and no

Yes because you can read all the books you want, until you get out there and do it and learn it first hand, you won't have a real idea of what goes into it. Electrical engineers can actually get their license as well in nj, but their craftsmanship is laughable. Usually.

And no because I consider myself of average intelligence and I'm pretty good at what I do. That being said, every electrician has their strengths and weakness, based on their background (residential, commercial, motor control, pipe bending and so on).

Very rare is the electrician who excels in all areas. Like I said, it's a complex trade.

>>1304700
like i said, it's product knowledge. all that book learnin' isnt even useful because code specifies that the manufacturers installation instructions take precedence over code. so you just read the information sheet that comes with the device and it specifies exactly which specification of cable or breaker to use with it. you just make sure upstream always has more protection than downstream.

>>1304699
>you have three stepdown transformers in series and you use those figures.

No electrician would do this. These figures come from a table specifically for figuring full load current for polyphase a.c. motors. You don't just take figures from anywhere in the code and apply them anywhere you'd like. The code says multiply it by 1.1, so multiply by 1.1. It's why the code exists in the first place.

>>1304706
>>1304698
Gotta say i think youre over simplifying it a good deal. It's a good deal more than "product knowledge". There is a good amount of calculations and craftsmanship and troubleshooting and theory and so on.

>>1304673
What is the best kind of splice?

Diode voltage gate or full bridge rectifier?

>>1304673
How many Watts make up 1hp?

>>1304713
Depends on the application. I like pic related

>>1304721
Input or output? Input depends on the motor.

Output is 746 w

>>1304725
how many hp's make up one watt?

>>1304695
It depends when you start. I started before school as a small kid and had the basics down before ever formally learning it. At the end of high school there was an exam set by the state having two parts, electronics or wood/metal work. I passed the electronics section having never done it at school from stuff I had learned from building and learning at home. The teachers were like wtf were did you learn that?

>>1304725
I hope you don't just pig-tail the wires into that connector.

>>1304673
Open neutrals. How big a pain in the ass to track down? And do they tend to be dangerous? If one side of my breaker panel seems to be affected, does this mean something in particular?

>>1304735
You mean splice? That's not what pigtail means. But done properly, a splice with a wirenut is one of the best connections.
>>1304752
Not terribly hard.

One side of the panel? As in half of the breakers? Sounds more like you lost a leg than a neutral...

>>1304673
My uncle and I pulled a homeowners' permit and did a service upgrade - 60A to 200A.

City came out and inspected it and all were under the impression the electrical company would pull up one day and upgrade the drop.

Fast forward 1.5 years.

Electric company tells me to fuck off
>'We ain't even got no inspector's report!'

City tells me to fuck off
>'It's been more than a year and that inspector quit. Idk how you even have power! Call a contractor.'

Contractors tell me to fuck off
>'We didn't do the work and we don't take on half finished projects'


I just want to get a decent drop so my shit 110V welder in the shed will stop making the house lights flicker.

Pic very much related. Uncle lives in another state, hence the issue. He gives me shit every time I see him though.

>>1304761
Yes, one side of the panel. And that's what I thought. Power company came out and said not on their end, and the symptoms involve the fridge acting like it's only got half power. Checked all the outlets, found one that the neutral was about 1/4 turn loose. Then it happened again for a few seconds yesterday. I'm wondering about the temperature affecting something? Or the bus bars?

>>1304761
>, a splice with a wirenut is one of the best connections.
It's literally the worst of all the 'approved' methods around the world, have you tried anything else?

>>1304781
Better pic. Just trying to show our 00(?) copper wire off the mast and their shit ass aluminum smaller gauge wire.

Based in the US if you couldn't tell.

>>1304803
Honestly if it were me.... id pull another permit for another service swap, leave everything the same, get it re inspected and then have the power company come out. It's a pain but I can't really think of anything else. Your township really oughta have records, they're kept by address, not by inspector.
>>1304801
If they're done correctly they're the best for smaller gauge wire.

>>1304797
Id check the major connections, the meter can, the main lugs in the panel, then all the terminals in the panel. Check with a meter and make sure you're getting all the proper voltages. 208-220 between phases and 110-120 from each leg to neutral and to ground

>>1304828
>id pull another permit for another service swap

Thank ya. They're college age women. Just ask for a permit with that exact phrase? 'Service Swap'.

Another $50 down the tube. Government ...

>>1304829
Thanks OP, and sorry if it seemed like I was pulling my punches so to speak. I was trying to avoid a wall of text, and was kind of looking for a list of things to start with. Good luck on your exam.

>>1304871
Thanks man. I'll be checking back in periodically if you gave any more questions.

>>1304725
>>1304735
>>1304761
>>1304801
>>1304828

>>1305527
I bet dollars to donuts, that gets hotter than a splice of identical amps and gauge.

>>1305533
Factory has decided that these are appropriate for motor leads in wet environment. The devastation found inside wiring boxes when these go is unreal.

>>1305558
learn to do wireboxes

These good for 20A?

why didnt you just do HVAC m8?

>>1304673
How big of breaker do i need for 220. Giant window ac and Lincoln crackle box welder.

Not home so no numbers.

Ballpark guess?

And is 6 guage wire good enough? Cause i already ran it. Figure if not i will only use one at a time.

Thanks Sparky

>>1304693
>>1304678
>>1304675
Man you niggers suck at math

.9*1.1=.99

90% is .9 you dumb shits or as a fraction 9/10. 1.1 as a fraction is 11/10.
Do you remember how to multiply fractions??? Multiply the numerators and denominators, so 9* 11 is the new numerator and 10*10 is the new denominator.
9/10 * 11/10 = 99/100 = 0.99

>>1304696
>100/85.4
100/85.4 ≠ 85.4%, go back to school
100/85.4 = 1.1709601873536299766 or 117.09601873536299766%

an electric pump at work turns on just fine manually but will run for a half a second then turn off when I attempt to run it remotely with the PLC computer. The coder insists there is nothing wrong with the ladder logic. All fuses are ok. The pump runs fine on manual without abnormal noises or smells. Thoughts?

>>1305670
Check if the run contact is being sealed..

>>1305641
Electric is better. I run the power for AC and more. Much much more. Solar, motor, motor control, pools, houses, lights, receptacles, switches, dimmers, gfcis, fire alarms, security alarms, burglary alarms, appliances, and on and on and on and on.... electricity is everywhere, outside and inside. People in certain places can go without ac/heat. Nobody goes without electricity. Not in countries worth living in anyway.
>>1305645
Are you using both at the same time? I would have run 2 circuits if so.

6 wire is good for 55-75 amps (depending on ambient temperatures, the rating of the terminals and the insulation type) Your window unit won't draw anywhere near that amount. Your welder looks like it draws 50 amps according to the website.

If it is one circuit you take 125% of your continuous load (the window unit amps, if it's big id guess 10-15 amps) and add the the load (amps) of the welder. That gives you the wire size size you need.

So based on my guess work (15*1.25)+50= 68.75 amps.

So the answer is: maybe. 4 wire would definitely do the job, 6 wire might. If my numbers are right you need a 70 amp breaker


>>1305592
Yes

>>1305650
I made the incorrect assumption that my book was correct. Regardless, for synchronous-type power factors, 90% shall be multiplied by 1.1. No one gives a shit that you can divide fractions.
>>1305670
1st guess is that it's a plc issue. If the motor runs fun on it's own then I'm guessing it's not the motor. Take an amp reading, maybe the plc is seeing something it doesn't like.

I don't know much about PLCs to be honest. But I do know when motors kick on that there is an inrush current. It sounds like your plc is reacting to it.

>>1304699
>what are significant digits

>>1305989
>Regardless, for synchronous-type power factors, 90% shall be multiplied by 1.1
And thats fine, but you dont come posting stupid shit and expect not to get corrected.
>divide by fractions
Jesus you are dumb

>>1306341
Who side divide by fractions?

>>1306341
I'd have to concur with this anon
>considers power factor to ever be greater than 1
>claims to be an electrician but can't read plc code
>doesn't realize plc code is written in ladder logic
>give advice to people without disclosing non liability
>obviously has never heard of ecalc pro app that follows nfpa or csa depending which one you want
>divide by fractions

22 year old here, really would like to get into this trade since I don't think going to uni for EE is exactly my cup of tea

What's the best state for trade school?
Can you get by with being an electrician in a rural area?
What specifically is the best to master as an electrician, as you've said it's a complicated trade?

>>1304673
Posted this in /ohm/ as well:

I'm putting some drywall in my garage. When they installed the electrical boxes they mounted them sticking out about 3/8ths of an inch. I'm putting half inch sheet rock up, do I need to get those extensions or can I have an eighth inch gap between plate and box?

>>1306575
Yes but stick to industrial.
>>1306578
I don't see why 1/8 of an inch can be compensated by the screws.

T.EE

>>1306578
>do I need to get those extensions
I don't think they make 1/8" box extenders.
I answered in the other thread saying it was fine but if it really bothers you, move the boxes before you put up drywall.

My heater takes hours to turn on. The guy came and fixed it. He said he just banged the pipes or something. It worked for a while but now it won't really fire up at all...what do?

>>1306618
Bust out your pipe and bang it.

Bang it good.

My garage has no outlets. I'd like to hire someone to put a 4 plug outlet next to the circuit breaker, would that cost me 100 to 150, or more?

>>1306799
sounds closer to 7 grand for me buddy

>>1304673
who was the faggot that made triple phase power circuit diagrams complete nonsense?

>>1306476
>>1305989
>No one gives a shit that you can divide fractions.
Wew lad

>>1306476
>>1305989
>No one gives a shit that you can divide fractions.
Wew lad

I purchased a fixer upper house and it's getting really old working with no power. Service is connected to this monstrosity but it is really not okay. The back side of the breakers are arcing to the back of the box and it appears to have caught on fire previously.

Roughly how much do you think it will cost me to have functional electrical starting with this?

>>1307062
>The back side of the breakers are arcing to the back of the box and it appears to have caught on fire previously.

goddamn. heat->nonconductive paint,etc.->fire->conductive carbon->yay

the wires on the lower breakers look kind of random and smaller than 12awg

>>1307067
Thank you for the reply. I was thinking someone was updating the electrical and leaving the old wires in the walls and just cutting them where them arrive inside the box. Do you think if I carefully cleaned the inside of the box I could fix the arcing issues? The breakers look to be installed post-fire.

>>1307070
i don't think i'd reuse anythign in that box, i'd definitely check those wires

i'd disconnect and label everything, pull out the box and throw it away along with the breakers

a new 100A panel box is like $75 plus ~$100 in breakers

>>1304673
Hi, i just got a transformer that transform 3V DC to 7000V. My question is: if I increase the amp capasity before the transformer will I get higher amp out at 7000V or will the device limit the current output at a threshold? I is a dirt cheap transformer from eBay.

>>1307092
>I is a dirt cheap transformer from eBay.

you will burn up the output transistors on the primary side for running it too long

>>1306551
youre a goddamn retard if you think electricians work on plcs.

>>1304673
please dont tell me they actually want you to memorize that shit?

>>1307092
the device limits it >>1307062 >>1307070
that panel needs to be completely changed out. it is beyond repair. its unsafe
>>1306799
150-250
>>1306578
to make it right you should install 1/2 mud rings. look at whats on there. theyre probably actaully 1/2 inch. regardless 1/8 inch gap is acceptable

>>1306341 >>1306551 >>1306856 i said divide fractions. as in convert to a percent????????????????????? one quarter or 1/4 = 1 DIVIDED BY 4 = .25 or 25%. christ. i knew this site was retarded but good god this is pretty sad. >>1306551 lol i can see the dick riding faggots are out in force today. uuuuh did you miss the 90% part you fucking idiot. learn the fucking difference between an electrician and a plc tech. i went to school for 4 years, been in the trade for ~10 years, take my exam in a week,m which ive studied for a month, and have taken classes. we are plc techs. do me a favor. pick up a NATIONAL ELETRIC CODE BOOK. Find me the part that covers PLCs. whats that? you CANT?????? oh hmm maybe thats because electricians have FUCK ALL to do with plc programming?.yes i am very capable of following ladder logic actually. an app? only hack dipshit failure fucks would rely on an app. get the fuck out of here, professionals use the fucking code book and a calculator you no talent failure hack piece of shit. the fuck off my thread.

>>1306341
says the guy who attempts to come into this thread to assert his intellectual superiority and gets completely shut down. and 1.11 times 90 is 99.9, not 100. asswipe. fuck off back to plebbit.

>>1307220
no, just know where to find it and apply it.

>>1307236
yeah i remember when i wrote my ticket there were electricians in the room writing theirs and all it was was searching through the code book. no wonder they never actually know fuck all about how electricity works and electrical troubleshooting

congrats on becoming a glorified inspector.

>>1307266
the common formulas one does remember pretty fast (and you forget them pretty fast again ¯\_(ツ)_/¯), don't expect anyone to know exact Trigger characteristics of Breaker or ampere multiplicator of cable conducts, don't expect people to memorize exotic shit, that's why these books are printed

>>1307266
lol this salty fuck. why you so mad, dog? cause i stink like money without a degree while youre still sucking dick to pay back your loans? i know how electricity works. it works like this: i turn the wrench, then i get paid $80 an hour. then i go home and bang out a side job an make $200 an hour. thats how it works broke bitch. you stink like failure. you stink like poor people. like you mad af you couldnt make it. stay mad, ill stay filthy. have fun staying in debt all your life, i figured the easy way out.

>>1307266
>>1307297
ps i spent a good portion of my career installing and maintaining motor controls. i could troubleshoot an issue before you could break out your meter.

>>1304673
Dear Electrician,
Please help.
In our house, power in one room is run to the light in the ceiling. Then 2 conductor wire is run to the switch on the wall, utilizing the white wire as load and black and line.

I have purchased a smart switch which requires ground, neutral, line, and load at the switch. Can I run 3 conductor wire from the power in the ceiling to the switch to bring the neutral down, and use the two remaining wires as line and load? I would then splice in a short section of white wire to provide the neutral to the fixture, correct?

Sincerely,
Does Not Want to Die

>>1307354
yeah. that works. just use romex, and a matching gauge.

>>1307191
>>1307231
All my electricians work with PLCs, programming, building, commissioning and troubleshooting. Whole goddam place runs on them (this is a mine and a refinery) . No its not part of the nfpa but they do it, along with 15kv and down work.

Nfpa may not mention thumping and vlf testing either but ur don't mean my guys don't do it.

And they all get paid very handsomely for it.

Suck it faggots.

>>1307062

Random brands of breakers stuffed in there instead of right brand. matters.

$50 crap 16 space panel (8 per side). Note 9 breakers on left side. Double breaker in spaces 15/"17" dangling off bottom. (!) Why not just install in spaces 14/16? BAKA

30A breakers need 10AWG wire which those aren't, can tell from here. Homeowner upsized when he got trips? Too much house on too few breakers.

Why so many 240V circuits? Electric heat in house?

Too few circuits in use for a whole house (hence illegally upsizing breakers to avoid trips?)

Feeders look a little light for 100A

No obvious grounding electrode system

Busbars scorched

Smoked panel reason alone to replace it, otherwise every buyer's inspector will flag it.

Get a nice 30-space Siemens and don't look back.

>>1307062
>bought a house with a panel looking like that

Why would you ever. You need to replace those 30a runs for sure, and probably that one with the nasty fiber insulation wouldn't be a bad idea and while you are at it, may as well redo everything with a ground.

>>1307475
One in a million low interest owner finance deal after being turned down by multiple banks. The walls could have been full of extension cords and I would have still bought it. This house has three phase outlets in 3 locations plus an above ground well pump which could explain some of the breakers. Nothing is labeled and the house has never had HVAC.

I really appreciate everyone's input, I will get a professional in there and hopefully get things sorted out and correctly. Google is saying 700-$1400 for a full panel change, does anyone have any information that could drive the price up over this? The house is in central FL.

>>1307453
lol just cause your electricians bumble around plcs does not make the PLC techs . hence why numbnuts >>1305670
cant figure out why his motor is shutting his off. i change my oil, does that make me a mechanic?
PLC techs make $80 grand a year and cant even get hired in nj if they dont hold a degree. Its an entire feild on its own.

and news flash just because one or two electricians know enough to be dangerous on your jobsite does not mean electrician = plc tech you fucking moron. theres certifications and training you need to go through.

No one ever said electricians cant work on plcs. the debate was that, generally speaking, electricians, whether they be industrial, commercial, residential, linemen, and so on are not qulaified nor required to work on plcs, as claimed by this dumbfuck >>1306551

>>1307736
>PLC techs make $80 grand a year
i should really consider moving to the states...

>>1307746
come on over bro. we got guns and burgers and shit.

>>1304673
>200v column
I understand about 115/230v and 208v, but where do you find 200v?

>>1307769
the code states "The voltages listed are rated motor voltages. The currents listed shall be permitted for system voltage ranges of 110-120, 220-240, 440-480, and 550-600v

so the 200v column exists because the motor rating exists. more than likely only used in special applications/conditions/equipment.

>>1307736
Well here in Germany we have different subdivisions of electricians like
Electric installer, electrician for automation and electrician for industrial technique.

the electric installer wires homes and installs lights.
but if someone works as electrician in the industry he is either an electrician for automation or for industrial application.
and electricians for automation have training about house installation, 3phase motors, electrical enclosures pneumatic/ hydraulics and installing and Programing Pl Cs

>>1307736
>80 a year

LOL.

These guys are all reseals buddy. They program and maintain the ladder, switching and protection logic in starters and breakers. The critical stuff is stamped by a peng. No such thing as a certified plc tech here unless you work with sil level ratings. We are pretty much a non hazardous process.

But then in many states you don't need an electrical license or a journeyman on site so it's no surprise you're so butthurt and assume shits so compartmentalized. You'll learn when you get a real job little man.

>>1304673
>Electrician here, ask me anything.
Why don't americans use kW to rate motors?

Are there energy meters that count in HP * hour?

would you recommend becoming an electrician? How's the work and is it tiring? Family told me I should try becoming one but I'm not too familiar with it

>>1307849
no one gives a fuck what you idiots are fucking up. real job? making six figures, free college, benefits, pension. this is pre license bitch. have fun in whatever hillbilly fuckhole you live in.

bottom line is = electricians =/= plc techs. get over it faggot.

>>1307842

its a whole lot different in the us of a. no electricians here need to know how toeven turn a plc on in order to be a master electrician. and we certainly dont need to work with hydraulics. we do do motor control, and certain types ofd automation. but here in the states you could be working in one corner of the feild, say motor control, and 3 phase motors and have absolutely no idea how to wire up a house. like i said, in the usa its complex. there are union electricians here who never even touch a wire, the just run conduit all day. i wouldnt call them an electrician myself, but thats what theyre on the books as, anyway.
>>1307855
probably the same reason we dont use the metric system, we're difficult stubborn fucks. power consumption is always measured in kw hours. the motors are usually marked.

>would you recommend becoming an electrician?

i do. i enjoy working with tools, and the problem solving involved in trouble shooting. i also love the fact that i have scalable work. meaning im not stuck at any one income for the month.,if i want extra cash theres plenty of side work. and i couldnt imagine sitting in one place, at a desk, all day. everyday. for the rest. of my. goddamn. life.
>How's the work and is it tiring?

depends. a lot of times, you need experience to get hired anywhere worth working. and the only to do that is to work for a private contractor, and that shit is exhausting. but do the time, acquire the skills and qualifications and the world is your oyster baby.

or say you want to take it easy, youd rather relax at an even pace. get a job as a facilities electrican. much less exposure to the elements, much less demanding ect ect.

so many options its incredible

>>1307905
>>1307898
also i didnt know a damned thing about electric or tools when i started. i did alright. and just to make myself clear, the apprenticeship sucks a wild bag of dicks. youll be underpaid and verbally abused by angry old fucks. youll be broke and tired. but if you got the sack and tough it out, its well worth it.

>>1307898
Didn't say they were. But they are not different in most industry.

Also I'm really enjoying your butthurt.

>>1304673
Is there still a code (NEC) requirement to place several outlets in hallways so that people won't need to use "dangerous" extension cords?

>>1307907
>>1307905
were directed at
>>1307866


>>1307935
incorrect. in most industries they are separate. trust me ive been doing it long enough.

>>1307936
the code does not explicitly state that outlets need to be installed in a hallway.

article 210.52 (a)states that the are required in every kitchen, family room, dining room, living room, parlor, den, sunroom, bedroom, recreation room, or similar room or area of a dwelling. (theres even less code for required outlets) in commercial buildings

210.52 (a)(1) states that no point measured horizontally along the floor line of any wall space shall not be more than 6 feet away from an outlet.

210.52 (a)(2) states that walls under 2 feet in width dont count as wall space.

the code doesnt always spell things out. arguably, hallways do not require outlets at all. and if the issue is pressed, only on walls wider than 2 ft., which many hallways in the us dont have.

Be real, how unsafe are electricians?
I always hear you guys talk up how you do things by the book and bash others for being unsafe. And then every electrician I've met (commercial electricians) has been unbelievably cavalier about safety and follow code only as loose guidelines.
When it's safety versus time, time always wins. Is this typical or what?

What's the deal with fused neutrals?
I've seen a few panels in buildings from the 1920s and earlier that once had a fuse in the neutral as well as the hot. i know the understanding of electricity and electrical safety was different back then, but there must have been some reason why a neutral fuse was necessary back then.

>>1308066
its like anything else. there are good electricians and bad electricians.

at the same time there are rules that will bend and rules that will break.

a lot of electricians violate the code in some way or another on any given job. it just depends on to what degree. ill tell you right now a good amount of electricians dont derate wire ampacity correctly. i adhere to the code pretty strictly but ill admit i probably wouldnt derate 6 #12 wires in a 10 foot section of 3/4 in emt.

>>1308079
we had a guy once who didn't have a breaker for our big air compressor, so just wired it right in to the panel feed unprotected.
Stayed that way for a week. shortly after the breaker was installed, the motor seized and cooked for a while until it blew the breaker. if that happened a week earlier we'd have had a fire.
at the time I was just happy to have the compressor running, in retrospect I see that it was a little fucked up.

>>1304673
How come birds don't get fucked when they sit on high voltage wires?

And more importantly, if I've got my 150W guitar amp plugged in and turned on, can I electrocute myself by touching the guitar jack or the bit of cable that's exposed?

>>1308102
Voltage is a difference, it exists between two points.
There's a voltage between one wire and another, there's a voltage between the wire and ground, but from the wire to itself there's no voltage.
When a bird sits on one wire, there's no voltage across the bird so it doesn't get electrocuted. If the bird spreads its wings and hits another wire, then the voltage between the two wires kills the bird.

>>1308102
>can I electrocute myself by touching the guitar jack or the bit of cable that's exposed?
Ideally no. If your amp is antique, chinese, or has a wiring fault, maybe.
Antique radios and amplifiers sometimes have the chassis and all the metal parts connected to one side of the AC line. If it has a polarized plug, that will be the neutral side so there won't be voltage on it. But if it has no voltage, it's a 50-50 shot depending on which way you put the plug in whether there's line voltage on the metal parts or not.
If it's modern, there's probably no issue unless it's really really cheap shit from china because some of that crap has questionable wiring.
If it has a grounded three-prong plug, it's almost certainly safe because the metal parts are connected to ground and there can't be any voltage on them or else the breaker would blow.
if it's really old and has a two-prong plug with both prongs the same size, be afraid.

>>1308102
>>1308102
>can I electrocute myself by touching the guitar jack or the bit of cable that's exposed?
Ideally no. If your amp is antique, chinese, or has a wiring fault, maybe.
Antique radios and amplifiers sometimes have the chassis and all the metal parts connected to one side of the AC line. If it has a polarized plug, that will be the neutral side so there won't be voltage on it. But if it has a non-polarized plug, it's a 50-50 shot depending on which way you put the plug in whether there's line voltage on the metal parts or not.
If it's modern, there's probably no issue unless it's really really cheap shit from china because some of that crap has questionable wiring.
If it has a grounded three-prong plug, it's almost certainly safe because the metal parts are connected to ground and there can't be any voltage on them or else the breaker would blow.
if it's really old and has a two-prong plug with both prongs the same size, be afraid.

>>1308107
>>1308113
Neat. Thanks for the answers, electrician bro. Wish I could be that smart at something.

>>1308114
any reason you think you cant? are you slor or something?(no bully) you dont have to be exceptionslly smart to be an electrician.

I'm setting up a new desk in my office. I'm a trader by profession. I'm planning to have 1 desktop, 1 laptop, and 8 screens between them of about 30 inches each.

Can I do this on a single typical circuit (15w?) or should I expect to need to run a second circuit?

>>1308243
a typical circuit is 1650w. i think you meant amp. and yes it should be.

Is it acceptable to run ground and neutral wires to the same slot on ground/neutral bar when wiring in a new breaker?

>>1308600
Same bar yes, same terminal no. I forget the exact rating but I believe up to 4 ground wires can go under the same terminal.

>>1308601
Interesting, ill have to fix that. And there isn't supposed to be separate bars for ground and neutral?

>>1304673
Have you ever encountered a situation where someone put a screw into a stud and the screw went into electrical wires strung along the stud?

>>1308615
In a main house panel they appear to be separate, but there's a bonding screw on the neutral bar that ties them together, connecting the neutral with the ground. In a sub panel, or a main panel fed by a disconnect, they have to be separate

>>1308634
Yes
>>1308615
But to answer your question, yes, ideally the bars are separate. It just makes for a cleaner install.

>>1307297
Lol

>>1308654
>naked copper
>faggot panel

>>1307191
Or you're a retarded electrician who doesn't know how to work on a PLC

t. Electrician who programs, implement, tests and troubleshoot PLCs (and also does hydraulical and mechanical work of course, not being a one trick pony outlet installer like most retard electricians who think they are hot shit for knowing how to install a plug)

>>1304829
You were right electrician Anon, one leg was dead. The utilities guy even described my symptoms from a few weeks ago when he showed up to fix it. Old splice went tits up. Thanks, if you're still around.

>>1309826
Finally.

Thanks for coming bro it was getting lonely with this fat headed retard.

>>1309946
No problem my man.
>>1309826
>>1309986
>5 hours apart
>implying you're sitting around checking this thread everyday
>implying you aren't same-fag

I'll say it again: In the USA,

1. 99% of commercial/residential/industrial electricians aren't qualified to work on plcs

2. 99% of electricians don't know how to work on plcs

3. 100% of electricians need 0 knowledge of plcs to be licensed, insured, bonded, as a master electrician.

5. 100% of electricians will have no problem finding a job with 0 knowledge of plcs

6. If you think you are or aren't an electrician based on you're plc skills, then you don't know what an electrician is. Congratulations.

>hydraulics
If you're talking about pumps, bully for you, I've worked on hundreds. If you're talking about lines, that's also not what electricians do.

Jack of all trades: someone who's spent too much time dicking around in a little of every feild to actually master one feild.

>>1310026
ITT: You don't know 99% of shit.

>>1310029
I know more than you troll boy. Have fun being a handy man.

>>1310031
I know the master electrician licensing program means nothing in the states unless you want to be an independent contractor. Most states don't even care if you're a journeyman to hire you on as an "electrician". You don't even need a multimeter and a clue.

I know I work for a world wide conglomerate who hires in multiple countries and we don't hire electricians without plc experience. We have many sites in the USA. We also don't give a fuck if you have a "masters" because it means nothing other than you kept a licence for a few years without losing it.

I know that unless you have utility tags in your pocket, as an electrician you have nothing when working commercial or residential.

Im not a handyman. I'm the guy who ends up hiring/contracting monkeys like you.

Have fun being my bitch.

>>1310026
Not samefagging.

I never said you need to know those things to get certified, but that you might run into them, and unless you're retarded you will be able to work on them.

Yes you will find work without knowing any, but I will find more, and better work with my electrician cert and PLC experience in addition.

I do work on hydraulic pumps, valves, sensors, motors, winches, brakes, and yes, even hydraulic lines. I know how to bend hydraulic piping by hand, and I'm sure you realize that does not make me less employable, or any worse as an electrician.

I've worked many times in the US, and based on my experience, I'm not surprised you hold such a narrow view of people's ability to handle different skills.

>>1310040

>>1310042 here, what business are you in? This sounds very similar to our practice, in the offshore crane business.

>>1310040
>not an even an electrician, wants to tell me how to be one. Lulz
>>1310042
You may have a cert, you may not. Long story short, you talking about non electrical work, which, spoiler alert, is not what electricians do.

So far, every back and forth has gone as follows

>>Hurdur you call yourself an electrician but you don't work on plcs or industrial mechanics?????

>uh no I'm an electrician. That's not really our feild

>>hurhurhurhur well MY electricians do non electrical work!!!


You people are talking about a very specific feild where electrical and mechanical knowledge is required. Congratulations. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about being an electrician. Just because you have an array of qualifications does not mean that is the industry standard for electricians. What you're saying is the equivalent to saying that because some electricians are licensed in HVAC as well, all electricians must be. Two separate things. Got it?

I have to wait to september to start tradeschool (UK). Anything I can do now to start learning?

>>1310040
>>>1310031 (You)
>I know the master electrician licensing program means nothing in the states unless you want to be an independent contractor. Most states don't even care if you're a journeyman to hire you on as an "electrician". You don't even need a multimeter and a clue.

Wrong

>I know I work for a world wide conglomerate who hires in multiple countries and we don't hire electricians without plc experience. We have many sites in the USA. We also don't give a fuck if you have a "masters" because it means nothing other than you kept a licence for a few years without losing it.

Wrong again

>I know that unless you have utility tags in your pocket, as an electrician you have nothing when working commercial or residential.

Also wrong

>Im not a handyman.

You're right you aren't even that much.

>>1310042
>>>1310026 (You)
>Not samefagging.
>I never said you need to know
those things to get certified

Well that was exactly my point
>I do work on hydraulic pumps, valves, sensors, motors, winches, brakes, and yes, even hydraulic lines. I know how to bend hydraulic piping by hand, and I'm sure you realize that does not make me less employable, or any worse as an electrician.

Yes it does. An electrician with 20 years of electrical work will be faster, more knowledgeable, and more adaptive in the electrical feild, than an electrician who's fucking around with other shit. They gain more experience, they are more specialized

>I've worked many times in the US, and based on my experience, I'm not surprised you hold such a narrow view of people's ability to handle different skills.

Again. Someone doing a wide variety of different work will not have as much experience as an individual who specializes in any one of the feilds.

Plc techs know.more about PLCs

20 year Hydraulic mechanics no more about hydraulics.

20 year Electricians will know more about electrical work.

>>1310058
You simply cannot gain 60 years experience in 20 years.
>>1310055
Familiarize yourself with the trade names of different wires and materials. You can look up calculations online. Whatever code book you guys use, if any, get it and understand the general lay out of the texts.

>>1310058
Okay, have fun pulling cables and connecting wall outlets, skillet.

>>1310063
Solve. In you got an hour.

>>1310071
Lol, I'm not going to waste time sitting down to convert the values from your retarded hamburger units, and then let you berate me for it not being up to hamburger code.

Just rest assured I work with electric motors every single day at work, and have previously projected the installation of several houses when I used to be a 99%er, none of which have burned down.

>>1310058
I like how you naysay shit and provide no evidence.

Requirements for electrical licensing in Florida:
http://www.necanet.org/professional-development/careers-in-electrical-contracting/licensure/state-code-licensing-requirements/state-electrical-regulations

No requirements for industrial electrical journey persons.

I read reports from our Florida site. I got one a while ago where site "electricians" were flashing a 4160v line with a cordless drill whose bit was hooked to a ground wire on the panel. The report was not because of the procedure. This was the standard procedure! It came to because a phase was stuck on and he didn't sniff it either. Wasn't required.

And of course they all make over 100k.

>masters need not apply

>>1310084
>all you do is pull wire
>uh I don't have time for that stuff
Yeah that's what I thought.

>>1310102
>claims most states have no requirements for journeyman
>cherry picks one state, it has 0 requirements
>from the article you have posted "Journeyman is licensed at local municipalities"

Woweeee that sure seems like not 0 to me

>>1310102

And

>>1310084

BTFO
T
F
O

GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE YOU KNOW NOTHING HATING LITTLE FAGGOTS

>>1310110
I hate that you're going to come away from this thinking you showed me up, but I've argued with too many retards on the internet to waste my time trying to change that.

Good luck with your business, hope you don't burn down any houses, kill someone, or get RSI from pulling cables.

>>1310102
Oh by the way? IN every state, the requirements to be a licensed electrician exceed those to be a journeyman. Just a little fyi.

So your reasoning of not hiring licensed electricians as well as your claims of what it takes to be a licensed electrician are 100% nonsensical.

>>1310117
I did show you up. Cause you're a fucking retard and not an electrician. You don't know shit about what it takes to be licensed and you don't know shit about what we do. You're a pencil pushing faggot, nothing more

>>1310119
m8 I worked as an electrician for 10 years before I got sick as shit of the business, and all the dullards I needed to work with, many of them blowhard faggots like yourself

>>1310122
Washout.

>>1310118
Tell that to my legal team when I brought up the point about hiring actual licensed guys. I don't want people to die and electrical burns are terrible.

Not required by law, so it's cost savings. Employees sign away their rights knowing the risk. They can refuse jobs but that never saves the foolish.

Not saying it's right it's just what it is. Which is why it rustles my Jimmies whenever someone mentions licensing because its as convoluted as the code book itself no matter what country but everyone makes themselves out to be really high and mighty because of it but in reality it's a ridiculous cash grab that protects nothing and noone. Same with "specialities" unless you deal with actual SIL level stuff.

I'm really happy for you that you studied nfpa for 4 years bro, and that you're taking the high road in your career. But licensing is a fickle thing in the states and so are specialities, so you're wrong, it doesn't apply to 99% of all electricians in the US. More than likely, it probably applies to 99% of electricians in your area.

The states are especially crazy about this. Drive to the next state and both concepts are seen quite differently.

>>1304673
I have a bunch of electrical outlets that don't work in my garage...what is the most likely cause?

>>1310141
>working all around the world, getting to work on electrics, PLC programming, hydraulics and mechanics, having half the year off and getting paid obscene amounts, is now being a washout
ok friend-o

>>1310155
>what is the most likely cause?
You have not accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and savior, duh.

>>1310155
Tripped gfci or a tripped breaker
>>1310161
Sure buddy I believe ya. Just don't be surprised when I show up as your top mechanic. Plcs are must be a breeze compared to electric.
>>1310146
Yeah, well, turns out the state of nj doesn't fuck around.

>>1310257
Well, I hope I never meet you at work, fingers crossed

>>1305654
wew, faggot alert. how do you think you calculate the fusible current for a device that gives its output power, not its power consumption. you think you just multiply it by its efficiency? or will output power + losses = >output power? are we building perpetual motion machines here?

>>1306618
call him again. dont pay the original invoice until he agrees to a quote and haggle over why he thinks he should be called for two callouts when he didnt fix it the first time. you're protect by law. its basic contract law. >pay for a service
>moron fucking bangs on it
>its fixed m8
>here's ur bill lmao

or just hire a different trades person and get them to provide you with a service and inspection sheet stating what they did. moron who banged ur pipes will have no legal standing to enforce payment with any kind of remedy and you can make him look like a complete retard if he tries to pull shit like a lien with no agency likely to take him seriously ever again. get your shit fixed by a licensed contractor. send a letter to the professional pipe banger with the service sheet after your shit is fixed stating that you refuse to pay as no exchange of goods or services took place.

>>1310146
desu i dont see a problem with hiring unskilled people to do unskilled work like replacing breakers in small offices and homes, as long as you train them to screw the screws in good and their work gets checked by someone with experience. but when you're working on millions of dollars worth of equipment that will cost millions of dollars in losses if the system its powering goes down then you're just going send in your licensed workers simply as a cost cutting measure.

My house has some old ungrounded wiring with one circuit in particular that was extended with new 14-2 romex. This romex leads to a light switch that I replaced. The original switch wasn't tied to the ground wire, but when I wired the new one in I wired in the ground. When I flipped the breaker back on it immediately started making that electrical humming noise. So I flipped the breaker off, disconnected the ground on the switch, and turned the breaker back on with no humming noise. Does this mean that somewhere in that circuit the old wiring neutral is connected to the new 14-2 ground?

>>1310427
Noone should play with 50v+ in someone else's home or business without a license. Even if they are an employee.

OP gets that but doesn't believe it happens everywhere, including burgerland, and that licensing is not as respected as one would think.

Canuckastan makes it provincial law to follow the utilities direction, although they let alot of shit slide for big customers.

Some countries don't even employ licensing period, as workers are expendable.

>>1307935
I work on PLC's and DCS systems for a living and I've never heard of a PLC tech course. Must be a burger thing, what schools teach this? Or is it from the manufacturers?

>>1310827
Only ones I know of is from the manufacturers for basic and sil level stuff.

Maybe OP, the "master" knows.

Or maybe it's just a Jersey thing.

im applying to my local union apprenticeship program again in a few months. last year I aced the test and had a good interview, but they only admitted like 10 people out of nearly one thousand.

if I don't get in this year, should I just start looking into getting licensed and going it alone? I don't have a work truck/van and only the basic hand tools so far, and was hoping a union job would ease me into it.

Have you ever gotten an electrical shock?

How many volts was it?

Did you need to go to the hospital?

Do you have magic powers now?

What are these special powers?

>>1310827
>>1310847
This is a typical job posting for plc techs. Every one in jersey requires a degree
>>1310678
More than likely it means the hot is.coming into contact with the ground somehow someway. I would check whatever the switch controls.
>>1310968
That's what I did. Couldn't get into a union so just started at low with a private contractor.
>>1310977
Yes
400-445 volts
No.
Yes.
Being more fucking careful.

>>1310827
>>1310847
>>1311812

>>1311813
>>1311812
>>1310827
>>1310847

>>1311812
>>1311813
>>1311814

https://www.indeed.com/m/viewjob?jk=c3dd547d51cb7c6b&from=serp

>master

Also, most companies will publish a bachelors requirement but I know many process sites (and a few contractor shops) where electricians and instrument techs drag up to PLC/DCS specialists. I helped a few of them myself. No bachelors. Instead they were given the opportunity because they not only knew their tools and rules but could read a book, use a mouse and were capable of actual troubleshooting. You'll be surprised to find many "masters" have no concept of troubleshooting and only swap parts until it works. I hope you don't end up like one of them.

>>1304700
>Electrical engineers craftsmanship is laughable
It's not even comparable my dude. Engineers don't work on trial&error or experimental basis like an amateur or electrician will do.
What is laughable are amateurs who like to compare themselves to proper engineers because they copied some circuit from a book or the internet and build something on their own that works.

>>1312803
Engineers who know the difference between a screwdriver and a bus driver typically learned at an early age before school.

Those that didn't show it with everything they do.

>>1304673
Currently studying to become electrician in Sweden and just curious, what mm do you use when interior and exterior? Also what's the standard amp in homes? We use 1.5 int, 2.5 ext and 10 amps is normal

Have you ever built a musical instrument?

>>1312803
Found the butthurt

The fuck outta here desk jocky

>>1312874
Curious what the fuck you are taking about internal or external and what you think that has to do with anything?
UK here, cable is sized depending on load, installation method, length.

>>1312874
Come on, it's burgerland, no mm here. We go by circular mils. Its the same inside or out. Common circuit sizes are 15 amps for residential and 20 amp for commercial.

>>1313178
>>1312874
Oh but to answer your question 14 awg wire (15 amp) = 2.08mm squared and 12 awg wire (20 amp) = 3.31 mm squared

>>1313178
Fun fact: alot of mm^2 cabling sits in between awg sizes

I want to add a master breaker to an old house that didnt have one. Obviously i would need to pull the meter, any tricks to doing that? Looks like it just pulls out.

I also wanted to install a generator hookup between master breaker and main panel, any good setups you can recommend? I could but dont want to do a deadman cable or w/e double male cables...

>>1314189
See that little plastic tag locking the ring around the meter? That's why you need the utility company to be involved.

>>1314189
To do it the right way, there's a lot of code and material involved. You'll need an electrical contractor to do it. To do it the lazy way, (very illegal very unsafe if you fuck it up E.G. don't size your breaker and cord and plug wrong) then attach a female twistlock (4pronged) to a breaker and busbars. Bond the genny. When it comes time to use the generator, follow the steps, in this order

>shut every breaker off. ESPECIALLY THE MAIN
>start genny
>plug genny into your twist lock
>turn genny breaker on
>turn on the other breakers.
>NOT THE MAIN
>as a matter of fact install a breaker lock for the duration of the use of the generator

>>1314191
Snip it off. No big deal.

>>1314189
get an interlocked generator switch
makes it impossible for the user to fuck up

>>1314240
>snip it off

K. Then the utility comes and takes your meter.

>>1304695
Electricity has a funky ass learning curve but there comes a point where all that confusing stuff just makes sense.

The hardest part initially is programming your brain to think "electrically" rather than mechanically. I can't even think of the words to explain what that means but doing hands on stuff like solving equations and using a meter help so much.

The next sharp curve comes with trade specific stuff, but for sure get your ohm's law and electrical theory down first. Any uncertainty there just harms you later on.

If you wanna learn the basics, try electronics-tutorials and allaboutcircuits. Both have great tutorials on everything from electron theory to logic gates. I'm in school now for industrial maintenance and I blew right through the electrical portion thanks to a summer reading through those two sites.

>>1314242
Yeah. That's what they do. Give themselves head aches for no reason. No, here's what happens realistically

>Meter-reader realizes the tab had been snipped
>meter reader checks meter for tempering
>meter reader makes note of it
>utility company compares charges from that month of previous years
>utility company checks if this has been a repeat issue
>utility company checks if you're delinquent on your bills
>utility company knows that everything other than the meter itself is the property of the homeowner
>utility company either can't or won't turn off power if they can't find a single discrepancy other than a snipped tag
>utility company knows you may have had an electrician come out for emergency service and pays it no mind

I've chopped hundreds with no phone call. It's a non issue. At least for pseg.

Or even more realistically
>put tag back in a manner that makes it obvious it wasn't snipped.
>meter guy doesn't notice/care when he cuts it off like 1000 others that day, and replaces it like 1000 others that day

Either way, 1 time isn't gonna raise eyebrows if you don't fuck around.

>>1306618
What are the symptoms? Is it short cycling or just failing to turn on completely?

>>1314283
Here it's an immediate service request.

Now you have to redo the minimal and the house wide inspection. If it's old they'll change the feeder too and your grandfathered shit is now subject to scrutiny.

With all the smart meters being installed (and setting people's houses on fire) noone dares unless they are a journeyman with tags in their pocket.

>>1305650
.9999999... = 1

My psychiatrist said he has a patient that was electrocuted , and the current exited his body burning his penis completely off.good luck with that o.p.

>>1314508
Zeus's largest thunderbolt couldn't break this thing off

how much would it cost to get you to falsify records? say that i want to have 4000 hours "learning the trade" so i can challenge the test

>>1310058
But you wont get the sweet industrial maintance jobs with youre experiene in pulling cables

Electrican with 20y of wiring= contractor diging throught vermiculte to wire a outlet

Elrctrican with 20y knowledge in PLCs and hydraulics = industrial maintance job

>>1310977
>Asking an electrician if he ever got shocked

You'll never find one that hasn't been shocked atleast once. Best shock I recieved was from a condensator while cleaning a rack. Shit hurt like a motherfucker.

>>1314815
>tfw I travel to all sorts of countries doing cushy PLC jobs for a shit ton of money with just an electrician's cert and a can-do-attitude, while he is a Master™ at pulling cables and connecting wall outlets

>>1314815
>>1314846
If you're going to come back to my thread to samefag, at least change up your phrases. Please. Faggot.

>>1314849
You're both a bore and a paranoiac friend-o

>>1310161
>>1314873
This is what I'm talking about.

>>1314874
You don't know what you're talking about, Master Faggot

And this
>>1314846
>>1310063

And I'm sure many more. You're writing style is very recognizable as are your bantz.

You seem very secure and confident tho :^)

>>1314877
>you're
Cool beans, Cable Guy

>>1314882
Lol. Rather make a grammatical error than to be a desperate failed electrician like you.

>>1314885
Ok friend :)

>>1314887
That's right. Now leave my thread before i make you look even more stupid. I am smarter than you.

>>1314890
;)

>>1314815
LOL I already tried with OP, there's no getting through to him. He's gonna pull cable and think he's the master all day long.

He definately doesn't think he's worth more than can be or anyone else in his position. Probably just has no experience and alot of stubborness.

>the "jersey master" is his name. Pulling wire is his game.

>>1314915
Plenty of anons checking the same 2 and a half week old thread with identical opinions and phrases. And all within and hour! Good job buddy.

>>1314962
LOL you think I'm >>1314815?

Sure.

>master dumass

>>1314971
Sour little anon. Can't be an electrician so he has to hate :(

>>1314971
Thanks for playing retard. You'll now be ignored.

>>1306799
Bruv, just DIY it, not that difficult. Do you have drywall?

>>1314980
>>1314981
Don't care less. I hire grunts like you, as I said. I'm not that euro anon.

I do enjoy your anger, however. Are you this angry when you hold live conductors? Do you normally shun people who try to give you a glimpse into the sector you are entering?

>master cuck

>>1314242
Thanks that was what I was looking for
>>1314240
That would work if this old house had a main breaker, sadly it doesnt.

If it did i could just make a widowmaker and plug into the two outlets right under the breaker panel after hitting the main breaker..

>>1314240
The genny has a nema l14-30 twist lock, wish i had a bigger genny but itll do

>>1314283
Was meant for
>>1314255
Not
>>1314242

>>1310161
How would someone get into your sector? My parents want me to get into a trade but working for a local contractor for the rest of my life doesn't sound appealing. I would much rather travel if I could.

>>1316599
I just applied for it based on the recommendation of a friend.
It's one of those jobs there is no specific training for, as you need to be able to do so many various things, but it's usually a good idea to have decent experience in one area before going into it.
I had years of experience as an electrician, which in my opinion is the best background for this kind of thing, as it's the hardest for someone to just learn on the job, as opposed to mechanical and hydraulical work.
Had hardly touched a PLC before I started here, but was willing to learn, and now am one of the top PLC guys in my company.

There are tons and tons of these jobs, it's just you rarely see them advertised or talked about much for some reason.
Lots of oil service, ship service, solar cell, wind power, you name it. See if you can find some companies somewhat local to you, or that looks appealing otherwise, give them a call, and ask what they're looking for in candidates.

>>1304673
help out this fucking retard
>>1316926
>>1316927

>>1316909
Thanks! Yes I sort of knew I'd have to gain some degree of experience. What job listing would I keep an eye out for? I.e. what is your job title

>>1317032
My title is (senior) service engineer, which is what most are using. Sometimes it's just called technician.

>>1317529
Thanks anon.

>>1304685

Not as complex as electricians will tell you though

I need to switch out my breaker panel (same 100 amp service but more circuits), but due to some recent non-permitted electrical work I've been doing it would be really convenient to do this without a permit as well. I believe the local power co requires a permit and inspection to reconnect services, so without a permit (or cutting the meter tag which I think they take seriously) the panel switch would have to be done hot. I found an electrician willing to do it, but should I be concerned about finding a fried dead guy in my basement?

>>1304673
What am I getting myself into op

After my surgery is done I'm starting up an electricians trade.

>>1318708
are you having a lobotomy?

How do energy companies know how much juice I'm using?

>>1318578
If anyone's interested in an update, electrician pulled the meter and the power company showed up. They took the meter and are making me upgrade the service entrance and get a permit. Bastards.

>>1304673
Are brushless power tools reliable?

>>1319759
should have expected that brah

>>1319767
my milwaukees are - drill, sawzall, and impact

I left my service engineer job to get back into residential electric. Went from:
>troubleshooting PLC systems
>rebuilding and maintaining manufacturing machines
>19-22 hr days at least 4 times a week
>14 days of work in a row, 2 off. (first day is traveling home, second day is travelling from home to next project)
>travelling 90% of the time, only about 5 days home a month
>2 phones, rental cars, hotels
>4AM troubleshooting calls from random plant workers
>$3k a week + per deim
>dealing with idiots in the plastics industry

to:
>3 days of work a week
>$1.5~2k a week
>working for people in their homes
>chill as fuck

High stakes jobs fucking suck, not worth it. I'm my own boss. It's comfy

>>1321798
I have so much fun when I'm trying to fix an electrical problem and I have to go through 8 fucking panels in the building trying to find the breaker, and nothing is labeled or all of the labels have deteriorated

>"coffee machine" controls the HVAC
>one is labeled "DANGER"
>"Mr. ____'s lights" who no longer works in the building

commercial buildings are great

Hey lads.
4th year Industrial electrical apprentice from Australia.
I really want to get involved with PLCs, or really anything that doesn't involve pulling cable 12 for 12 hours per day.
I just signed up for a PLC course at Tafe (tech school), this goes for 8 months then Im thinking of doing engineering afterwards( at tech school)
Ive done a bit of work wiring up PLCs and a tiny bit of troubleshooting. Do I really need a University degree to design and program PLCs?
I love this trade and wouldnt want to be doing anything else, I just dont want to be doing back breaking work for the rest of my life.

Any advice? thanks

>>1310422
>Cant into math
>Calls other anons faggits
wew

>>1307231
What you said makes even less sense now because the original anon you are bitching about multipled fractions. You may have been trained as an electrician but you clearly failed highschool algebra

>>1307234
>1.11
And you are still getting shit wrong. 1.11 is never mentioned in any post you are replying too

>>1314502
Dont even start

>>1314962
Even if thats true, at least they face reality like men

>>1321798
dont you have working laws in you coutry

35hour week max worker here