/diy/ - Do It Yourself

>>1281045
I live somewhere with clean tap water so i dont need to distill my shit. Sorry you're american.

>>1281047

I put a plate on my hot tea
then ive noticed water under my plate?

i was thinking about flouride...

can flouride travel to the water tank?

>pic related

>>1281047
Where do you live that provides 99% pure h2o through the municipal system?

>>1281054

i buy water gallons?

what do you mean?

>>1281059
OP asked about water distilling. You stated your non-american municipality provided tap water on par with distilled water. I inquired where you lived that provided distilled purity water to the tap.

>>1281054
canada

[spoiler(lit)]distillation does not produce pure h2o and most municipal water outside of the US but still in the occidental world is safe to drink as provided before your own house's pipes

what youre probably thinking of is de-ionized water, which is different. distilled water can still contain contaminants that have similar or higher boiling points than water

as well, harder water is preferable to purer water for drinking, cuz muh electrolytes. pure h2o is unpleasant to drink and actually not that easy for your body to process and take up, it hydrates you worse than normal water[/spoiler(lit)]

>>1281067

I just said my water has flouride.
like the metal liquid.

is that a problem??

>>1281074
How many ppm? 0.7 ppm is what most US water systems run. Naturally you can see levels well over this in the 3ppm from ground water.

The ADA has this to say, "Acute fluoride toxicity occurring from the ingestion of optimally fluoridated water is impossible.104 The amount of fluoride necessary to cause death for a human adult (155 pound man) has been estimated to be 5-10 grams of sodium fluoride, ingested at one time.140 This is more than 10,000-20,000 times as much fluoride as is consumed at one time in a single 8-ounce glass of optimally fluoridated water."

>>1281079
Those numbers I forgot to edit out of the quote are source footnotes. If you want to read them here's the site: http://www.fluoridedebate.com/question21.html

I've been drinking only tap water since I got out of the Army and moved into my new place 5 years ago, is there any actual harm in this?

>>1281074
fluoride is neither a metal nor a liquid.

>>1281150
As long as you don't mind taking trace amounts of every medication available in your country + fluoride and lead.

>>1281176
this. but any fluoride in the water is likely to exist as a metallic salt like NaF and will just settle in the distillation boiler.

>>1281247
if you're concerned about those things, run your water through a cheap activated carbon filter.

Drinking distilled water is bad for you

>>1281176
>fluoride is neither a metal nor a liquid

Depends on the temperature & pressure it's at.

t. Boyle.

>>1281271
You can not phase change a mineral into a metal with just temperature and pressure.

>>1281045
well water + RO filter master race reporting in. plebs drinking shitty gay frog water are pathetic

>>1281270
I hear this a lot, but never with the accompanying biochemistry evidence.

>>1281399
>mineral

There are metalic flourides: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compounds_of_fluorine#Metal_fluorides

>>1281419
Is this a bait or are you genuinely retarded?

>>1281399
>You can not phase change a mineral into a metal with just temperature and pressure.

Of course you can with enough pressure. Hell they just made metallic hydrogen.

>>1281479
>metallic hydrogen

Oh I remember reading about that debacle. The claim came from a paper published in Science back in January. They used a diamond headed press at 5 million psi to collapse a microscopic bead of hydrogen into what they called 'metallic' hydrogen. Let me quote what happened next:

>Because their sample was merely microns (a fraction of a millimeter) big, they couldn’t actually test if the hydrogen was metal—but it reflected light like one, according to their observations, so they claimed it was.

Then this happened a month later.

>Last week—just about a month after the original announcement—the team said the sample went missing.

And of course that's not how science works so this was the general response from their peers.

>... many outside experts said there wasn’t enough evidence to back up its claim. “If they want to be convincing, they have to redo the measurement,” Paul Loubeyre, a physicist at France’s Atomic Energy Commission in Bruyères-le-Châtel, told Nature at the time the paper was published. Loubeyre thinks the Harvard duo failed to account for how much pressure was actually within their squeezing system—and that a picture with a single measurement alone isn’t enough to say that it really happened.

Turned out the journal Science published (yet again) non-peer reviewed tripe.

>>1281079
The body and brain of a growing child are pretty resilient against death, retardation less so.

We have not evolved to have >>100 IQ, just because fluoride occurs naturally doesn't mean it doesn't fuck kids up a bit. Conquer nature, don't let your kids near non topical fluoride.

if you're concerned about fluoride in the drinking water. then don't use fluoride toothpaste. alternatively, you can just put in a well and drink that.though don't do a well if you are a septic tank. unless you like cholera.

>>1281045
I made this over the summer this year. It is specifically for distilling muddy river water. It works really well. Except everything tastes like copper in the worst way. I still need to make a gasket for it. I lose about half the water without the gasket. It is more of a dicking-around thing than something truly practical. I'll just put it away with the rest of the SHTF stuff I'll never need.

If I were serious about it, I'd just buy some lab glass for water distilling. It'd be cheaper and taste better.

>>1281410
Don't get the needed minerals

>>1281270
>>1281776
Wrong. You get all you need from your food. The amount of stuff distilled water can pull out to equal the normal amount of stuff in the normal water you drink is a very small amount and can also come from your food.

>>1281676
>We have not evolved to have >>100 IQ, just because fluoride occurs naturally doesn't mean it doesn't fuck kids up a bit. Conquer nature, don't let your kids near non topical fluoride.

No idea what this is about, but I thought I'd just jump in to call you retarded.

Humans, on average, can't get above 100IQ because 100IQ IS DEFINED BY THE AVERAGE.

>>1281715
>if you're concerned about fluoride in the drinking water. then don't use fluoride toothpaste.

Stupid dichotomy, there is nothing irrational about being against fluoride in drinking water but in favour of topical fluoride.

>>1281663
Not him, but that just means they cannot make metallic hydrogen in a lab yet. Its been proposed and widely accepted that Jupiter (and similar gas giants) have a lot of metallic hydrogen; its the only way they can have such huge magnetic fields without all the mass of having liquid metal cores.

Along that same vein, Ice 7 and ice 3 are at the triple point; its a solid, liquid, and gas all at the same time because of the temperature and pressures.

How can you make a vacuum still for hardcore solvents where the pump won't be eaten and destroyed by residual vapor?

>>1281410
no minerals or salts in it, osmosis will make the distilled water diffuse into your cells until they rupture. this is the on paper stuff
>in reality? you should be fine. just don't fill an iv bag with distilled water

>>1281822
I understand where you're coming from and agree that metallic hydrogen is probably a thing but it isn't scientifically proven until it is repeatably and independently reproduced. Why is it in the 10 months since the Harvard duo first published and were refuted have they not been able to successfully repeat the experiment? They have a (theoretically) fully functional kit setup and are still being funded to this day. Makes me wonder.

It doesn't even really matter to my point as Hydrogen isn't a mineral and my statement was about changing minerals to metals.

>>1281831
A small chamber with your solvents attached to a much larger chamber. Draw both chambers down equally until you're just above the flash point of the solvent then close off the smaller chamber and keep drawing down the large one. Once you've evacuated the larger chamber turn off the pump, and open the valve to the smaller tank.

>>1281851
>metallic hydrogen is probably a thing but it isn't scientifically proven until it is repeatably and independently reproduced
No, it likely is a thing; we just cannot reproduce it in a lab.

I agree that if someone makes a claim, loses the tangible evidence of it, then claims they simply cannot do it again, then they probably aren't being truthful.

As far as minerals to metals and whatever fluoride and hydrogen are classified, I'm staying out of that because I have no idea what either party is talking about. I was drunk when I noticed this thread and am only focusing on the metalic hydrogen part.

As far as OP is concerned, there is "pure" H2O water and its used for scientific purposes. Last time I read about drinking completely pure H2O, it would bind with minerals and actually deplete the body, or you simply wouldn't be taking in necessary minerals. However it would be nice to get rid of the fluoride and other toxins such as pharmaceuticals from public drinking water.

>>1281953
>completely pure H2O, it would bind with minerals
Which the human body uses to regulate/filter/transport those minerals. You'd think if such an advanced machine would have such an issue with small amounts of a damn molecule that comprises 60% of itself then there would be much bigger problems with it, such as making it past the womb.

>>1281849
But, that has nothing to do with the digestive system.

>>1281045
>Any water distillation projects?
Yeah. I first mentioned it here >>1277203.

Picture this: Two peltier units oriented vertically cold side facing each other with a small gap in between, sealed at the sides, but not at the bottom. Just the core idea. I many other details in mind such as double wall vacuum insulated flasks.

>>1281776
So eat food, dumbass.

>distill water
>add teaspoon of salt to it to remineralize

WOOWW SO HARD

>>1281795
Except average iq has actually risen over the past century

>>1281047
Keep thinkin that yo

>>1281070
Whateves. If you giys seen the nasty shit floating around in your local water olants you would shit a chicken.

>>1281150
I don't think so. Its in toothepaste and there are dozens of studies proving both sides.

I woyld say if the hadjis didnt get u then clean tao watter wont.

Thanks for your service broseph

>>1281270
How???

>>1281402
Well my faggot city makes me tag project cars. Guessing cutting their water meter out and poking a hole in the sidewalk is a no go.

Working in it tho.

You ever have trouble with the well? I am 100% putting one in if my house doesnt have one. And my own tank because water pressure can suck my dick

>>1281727
Anon u need to keep a close eye on it. Mayne a few redundant fittings so u can look inside the line. If you see that green shit in the lines u need to cycle vinegar.

Not sute about dirty water but the moonshiners say that will kill u

>>1282526
I fucking hope so. The massive influx of manlets makes me sad.

Kids dont even ride their bikes or play outside anymore.

>>1281795
Double arrows means far greater, don't feed your kid neurotoxins for no good reason. Just teach them to brush their teeth.

Also to spit, not swallow.

>>1281054
The Netherlands.

>>1282591
You should see inside the copper water lines in my house.

>>1282591
moonshiners say copper corrosion and patina will kill you?

Yeah, i'm sure thats whats killing people when they drink concentrated poison (alcohol).

>>1281070
>>1281070
>distilled water can still contain contaminants that have similar or higher boiling points than water

Are you fucking stupid

>>1281831
It's called a fucking gas plant dummy

>>1282662
That brown spot looks particularly tasty

>>1281150
im sure it's safe but it smells like chemicals where I live
I'd only drink tap if it were from a well or I didn't have a better choice

>>1281070
>Canada
Most places still fluorides their tap water bud. Also, some ground water has naturally occurring fluoride, depending on the rock makeup it passes through.

>>1281045
https://www.thoughtco.com/boiling-remove-fluoride-3975943

It's a salt my man, boil your water, collect the pure aqua, use the Floride Salt in poison pellets.

>>1281727
Gold tier level anon, you are my distilling hero, nice work.

Plus combined with a DIY stove!

That picture is saved for future wanking material sir!

>>1281270
Reverse Osmosis water sucks minerals out of your body, condensed steam is not bad for you, it's just water devoid of shit that dies under 100c which is most things.

No matter how much you faggot Americans distill your shitty water ot stoll won't be enough to take those estrogens out your gubmint put in

>>1282585
tfw living in germany
tap water has to withstand stricter testing than bottled water.

>>1281054
>99% pure h2o
1% impurities? That's crap.

>>1281045
>Distilled high quality drinking water
If it's distilled water then it's not safe to drink, who made that picture?

>>1284687
What's your goal? to fuck your teath? there is literally nothing wrong with fluoride water.

>>1284694
Thanks and your welcome. I use it all the time for cooking out. It is a test stove for future camping.

>>1282684
There's not enough methanol in normal home distilled alcohol to harm you. In order to drink enough that would harm you via methanol, you'd be dead from ethanol poisoning long before. The only time it is a problem is when you are making grappa and doing it incorrectly. Then you die of methanol poisoning. That is extremely rare since hardly anyone makes homemade grappa. Most of the home distill poisonings are from people adding methanol to their brew in the form of denatured alcohol. They literally add the poison to it themselves. Another less common poisoning from a home still is using lead bearing solder for the copper pipes

>>1282789
He's correct. Without specialized lab equipment you can't distill water perfectly. Fractional distillation requires a special process that almost no one at home does correctly. Even when using a fractionating column, you need to know what the contaminates are and at what temperatures they need to be removed. It is quite difficult if the contaminates are close to the boiling point of water.

Boiling points, °C at 1atm:

Butyl-n: 117
Toluene: 110.6
Diisobutyl: 109
Methylcyclohexane: 101
>Water 100
Isooctane: 99.2
n - Heptane: 98.4
Propyl: 97.5
Allyl: 97.2
3 - Ethylpentane: 93.5
3 - Methylhexane: 91.8
2 - Methylhexane: 90.1
Benzene: 80.4
Cyclohexane: 80.7
>Ethanol: 79

>>1285260
Other than being a neurotoxin. Even if you you accept the """concensus""" the safety margin before Fluoride starts to have major negative effects is only an order of magnitude.

That's not enough for something you mass medicate with.

>>1281399
yes you can, you can turn almost fucking anything into a metal if you give it enough temperature and pressure for billion years

>>1282662
I got a under the floor copper ran tubes for heating and when I flush the system it's nice and colorful. I bet my pipes look similar

>>1285370
sola dosis facit venenum

>>1281150
Not really but you are on a sperg board so take it for what that's worth.

If someone actually cared about removing potential nasties they'd filter their shit, but Allah forbid they'd study before asking here.

Flint, Michigan is of course an exception. Any doubts, test your water and remove all doubt.

>>1281715
>though don't do a well if you are a septic tank.

>are a septic tank

Then it wouldn't matter because you'd literally BE septic.

IRL septic and well separation handles that problem nicely unless you are a wog who shits in its own water supply. Refer to codes, not 4chan.

>>1281727
buy some citric acid on ebay, turn your copper column upside down, cap one end, pour in a solution of 20 - 30g citric acid mixed with enough water to fill the column / condenser, leave it for 1 - 2 hours, the acid will clean the oxidisation from the inside, rinse with water.

lemon juice will work too but i'm not sure about the ratio, if you google how to clean copper still column, there's a bunch of ways.

>>1288076
I found that the oxidized copper pipe does not taste terrible while clean copper pipes taste like you are drinking liquid pennies.

>>1288106

Hmm, well I use a copper still to distil alcohol and my spirits don't taste of copper at all. I just clean it with acid every so often to remove the oxidisation. have you tried distilling water that you know is pure? like bottled water from the store and seeing if that tastes of copper? maybe it's the dirty water carrying something over. even though distilling is a method of purifying it can still carry other things over, for example when you distil alcohol you collect oils and other byproducts, so while it's nearly completely pure, there can still be other impurities depending on the quality of your source liquid. or maybe it's the bottle you're using, are you not just tasting a metallic taste and assuming it's copper? is the bottle made of aluminium or steel?

>>1285290
Does reverse osmosis distill water perfectly?

>>1282520
Or run it over a slab of granite like they do in submarines.

>>1288153
Its the copper, that I'm sure.

>>1288295
if you say so.

But just so you know the only 2 metals that work with distilling are stainless steel and copper. if you are using an aluminium bottle to boil your water it will leach crap into your water while it boils and that will be carried in the distillate giving it a metallic taste.

>>1281851
>>1281953
Pretty much any non-metal will become a "metal" if you put it under enough pressure at relatively low temperature. This has been demonstrated other materials besides hydrogen. Rarely a practical piece of knowledge though.

>>1282324
Maybe osmotic pressure would draw those minerals from the bloodstream to the pure water. But once the pure h2o is inside you it really doesn't matter, it's going to the organs, blood, and bladder where it's gonna meet up with all the minerals that are already there.

>>1282662
Water in my house stains the bathtub green. I've been scraping the copper oxide deposits off and keeping them for any project that may come up.
We have a well and our water starts out pretty good, but the plumbing ruins it. Pitcher filter really helps things.

>>1282789
Is he necessarily wrong, though? Take water and ethanol. Water's BP is 212, ethanol's 173. Depending on the fractions the BP will be somewhere between and will contain fractions of both water and ethanol. So if you were distilling for ethanol it would contain a material with a higher boiling point.


Depending on what the water is contaminated with it's possible that distilled water would contain some amount of chemicals with higher boiling points. Right?

>>1281150
O goy!!!!

You need bottled tap water©®™!!!!

>>1281795
average iq for whites yes
jews 130
asians 105
Africans (Americanized) 70
Africans <65

>>1281045
Go ro and don't look back.

>>1288299
Stainless steel bottle
Copper piping
Silver water pipe solder for house use
Copper mesh packing from a distillery company

When I had to reinstall some copper piping for a section of my water line, the water tasted like copper for a while. I'd rather have all stainless steel or lab glass.

yes