/diy/ - Do It Yourself

Expensive paint will self-level better and not show as many brush marks. I pay more when I have to look at it everday. I think the best compromise are the ones your dad are referring to: Water Based Acrylic Alkyds. I can buy a gallon right now for 35$ a gallon as they're on sale.
Considering better paint performs better and you don't need too much relatively AND you have to look at it every day, why cheap out?

if you're covering white with white, then yeah a cheap paint will probably work. for painting walls a different colour, get the nice stuff.

>>1203429
>Expensive paint will self-level better and not show as many brush marks.

Not necessarily.

>>1203430
>if you're covering white with white, then yeah a cheap paint will probably work.

It's amazing how many "whites" cannot cover fucking white paint. Especially ceiling paint.

OP: put the cheapest flat white crap you can buy on a ceiling. Ask the paint store to "put a shot of black" in it, and they will know you are a pro. That makes it the tiniest bit grey, and covers 100x better than regular ceiling white.

Ceilings do not get touched in general. Use flat paint to hide imperfections.

As for walls and trim, there is no such thing as "one coat coverage" if the color is changing by a perceptible degree unless you spray and spray well. Color changes == two coats whether it's $50 per gallon or $10 per gallon.

Buy decent trim paint. Buy just about any wall paint. Buy the cheapest ceiling paint you can find.

Buy good brushes (meaning expensive). Clean them thoroughly and they will last the average homeowner a lifetime.

t. 20 years of this

>>1203433

He doesn't paint every day for 20 years. Better quality paint will work better for amateurs.

>>1203433
>Ask the paint store to "put a shot of black" in it

This is the most retarded thing I have seen yet on this board.

>>1203428
2 coats of primer
4-5 coats of top coat
light sanding and dust cleaning between every single coat

That's standard for any type of paint. Most people simply do not know how to paint properly, their boss doesn't know how to paint properly, and they never learn how to paint properly. Painting correctly takes fucking forever. Always strip down to bare material. Always use a primer. Never paint over top of old paint.

The cost of the paint doesn't really matter unless you live in China or something. Even paint companies want to appeal to people so they say retarded things like "1 coat paint!" on the can just to hook you in. Just because they want to sell you paint doesn't mean they know how to paint.

Also, why are you buying paint? Just make it yourself. It is really easy and inexpensive. You can make it as thick or thin as you like,

https://www.bobvila.com/articles/homemade-paint/

>>1203428
Your money is going towards durability mostly, and sometimes coverage. That is, you may need more coats to cover up the base color with the cheap stuff.

Average interior room, similar colors? Cheap stuff.

Average interior room, wildly different colors? Good stuff, or an extra coat of cheap stuff.

Bathroom/Kitchen where lots of moisture is present? Good stuff. Always.

Exterior that you want to last more then 2 years? Good stuff.

>>1203479
>they will know you're a real pro

>>1203428
It does make a difference.

Use a decent brand, not the cheapest shit possible. But always use multiple thin coats.

Inside the house the quality of the paint isn't that important, but outside it really is.

>>1203552
To add to this, its more important to degrease and sand properly then the quality of paint is.

Sand with a fine grit, remove the dust, degrease with something like St Marc or spiritus, wait until fully dry, mix your paints before using really really really well (like 5 minutes minimum!!! The more properly blended the better). Paint using a soft brush with fine hairs, don't use excessive paint but coat it fully. When done, let it dry completely. Sand by hand with a superfine grit gently, remove dust, degrease again, dry, second coat.

>>1203428
This Anon, >>1203433, knows what's up. Everyone else seems to want you to pay $500+ for paint, then spend a week per room prepping, for no real benefit.

>>1203495
>2 coats of primer
>4-5 coats of top coat
>light sanding and dust cleaning between every single coat
For a wall in your house ? you are a fucking retard

>>1203585
>For a wall in your house
with so many coats only a wall can be finished in a day

Get a sample of both and test it out.

>>1203428
Finger bang a 3-yr old

>>1203428
sherwin williams ovation in extra white really brightened up my ceiling. it's 25ish a can

>>1203479
Not so, about 1/4 oz. or so will turn an Ultra White/White/Light color base into a "High-Hide White". If you don't have it next to any pure whites it will look white enough, especially on a ceiling.

>>1203433
>Ask the paint store to "put a shot of black" in it, and they will know you are a pro.
gonna start asking everyone this so they can know I'm a pro desu

>>1203428
OP I can't attest to this Benjamin Moore paint as it's a US brand but there is a reaon that professionals use more expensive paint and it isn't because they like wasting money. No one in this thread has a clue what they are talking about, they are just parroting things they have on /diy/ or from someone as uneducsted as they are. This is /diy/ not /pro/. Go to a paint shop and ask them

Painted a house for someone with $50 / 4 litres internal paint. Worked well at hiding dirt with just one coat. I did pick a slightly off white colour which they tinted every can. This was included in the marked shelf price and they expected to do this as cans come not quite full. The first thing they expect you to do is pick a colour from the colour wall and take a card for the colour.

>trim paint
>wall paint
>ceiling paint
What the fuck, why is paint so complicated?

PSA: Contractors use more expensive paint because they buy enough to get major discounts. Sherwin-Williams is a prime example.

They'll rape your DIY'ing ass on pricing.

t. Selling paint for long time.

>>1205656
>t. Selling paint for long time.

Do customers often ask you to "put a shot of black in it"?
Do you then think to yourself "holy fuck this guy is some kind of pro... I better be on my best game and maybe offer him a discount..."

>>1205642
>Ceiling paints have some black in so they are flat
>Wall paint is just standard paint
>Trim paint has additives to make it robust and hard wearing

By no means do you have to use them, wall paint will work on whatever really, just not as well.

>>1205726
I'm this guy >>1203540, and holy fuck am I dying to know this too. Please man, make my Saturday.

>>1203433
> "put a shot of black" in it

>>1203428
White over white is fine with cheap paint, changing colors requires good paint.

Someone shoop a can of paint with the Blacked.com logo on it. I'd do it myself, but I post on 4chan.

Buy the most popular paint, that company has enough sales to have low profit margins and enough bank to go crazy with R&D.
>Resene
>Dulux

Asked the owner of the paint store to put a shot of black in it. He said 'wow I didn't realize you're a pro' and showed me out back to a special section the general public don't get to see. Told me all the stuff out the front is mostly baby formula from China.

>>1203479
>>1203540
>>1203788
>>1205726
>>1205780
>>1205803
>>1206007

Maybe the terminology varies, but it's known all over the world:

http://www.contractortalk.com/f8/white-trim-paint-adding-touch-black-138588/

Is there some kind of bat signal for dorks that draws you morons to /diy/ to yak about shit you are not familiar with?

>>1205732
>>Ceiling paints have some black in so they are flat
>>Wall paint is just standard paint
>>Trim paint has additives to make it robust and hard wearing

Another guy just making up shit.

Flat paint is flat because it does not level out smooth, and has very tiny nooks and crannies that scatter the light. Ceiling paint and many wall paints are flat. Some wall paints are called eggshell or matte or velvet because they have a bit of soft glow.

There is no such thing as "standard" paint.

Trim paint should stand up to abuse, but in general it has more sheen and is typically semi-gloss or maybe even gloss or high-gloss. More gloss makes it look nicer to most people, and makes it harder to get dirty and easier to clean.

>>1203428
Coverage and hiding ability be damned, quality paint delivers better results.
>The product just plain looks better.
Look, depending on what you value your time at (in this case let's say $20 per hr), sixty, eighty, or even one hundred bucks gallon isn't that bad. AND you get 400 some-odd square feet out of it.
>Why cheap out on the most important part?
If you have the time/money to do it twice, you got the time/money to do it right the first time.

>>1205726
>>1205780
>>1205782

I know my customers and contractors. If someone just said put a shot of black in it, I'd know their autism levels. I'd say sure and put nothing in it and send them on their faggot way. Good, modern paint wont need this.

>>1203428
I use the Veldspar paint from Lowe's for around the house. Typically $35 (cad) a gallon, latex based. I never paint directly over the old paint by always priming first so that may offset the "cheapness" of the paint if any.

Last year I helped my sister paint some rooms in her new house and they got a Paint+Primer mix thinking they wouldn't need to prime. Well what happened is that you end up using twice the amount of paint so you may as well have primed in the first place and then you get the advantages of a prime base.

>TL:DR,I always prime the walls first and then use Lowe's paint. Get good results.

>>1206035
>If someone just said put a shot of black in it, I'd know their autism levels. I'd say sure and put nothing in it

Even if you don't think it works, why would you cheat a customer? I can tell when they put B-1 or B-2 or whatever.

I don't understand intentionally not doing what someone asked when it's what you do all day long for the customers you "respect".

If they ask for grey #44 and you think that's stupid do you give them grey #33? (I just made those up, so please don't go anal on that too.)

>>1206052
Its not cheating a customer when the customer doesnt know what they need/want. I've had plenty of customers come in with "how its done instructions" as an example, if I tint their pre-packaged flat paint with tint it is no longer eligible to refunded, so if someone said that chances are they dont know what theyre doing and likely they may be purchasing the wrong products for their project. I'm saving them and myself potential headaches down the road. These situations are extremely common in this business.

>>1206066
So is the other direction. Last time I walked in with a paint formula in hand, I told them to add 2 drops of blue to the formula in a new can, and they added 2 oz to the old can.

>>1206069
Thats not refuting my argument? I do whats best for my customers because its my job to know and understand what they need or want to do. My bonuses tell me I'm pretty great at this.

Sorry you have shitty paint stores that cant tell a difference between 32nds and OZs tho.

>>1206066
>Its not cheating a customer when the customer doesnt know what they need/want.

So if a professional painter asks for a specific formula change, you know better, and you pretend to do what he asked even though he can look at the paint and see that you fucked up on purpose.

Gotcha. I have a feeling a lot of people refer to you as "that asshole at the paint store".

>>1206077
If they have a specific formula, of course we do. The original argument was "a shot of black" which does nothing for coverage and voids their return for absolute no gain.

And half the people in my store claim "professional" yet when our company is called for warranty you find out quick why thats a rare term in this industry.

You've really done nothing to explain how someone is cheated and of course resort to name calling which shows my point. I'm sure you're a professional though.

I always bet on black ...putting a shot of black in it that is

>>1203495
Why not 8-10 top coats? You a poorfag or just lazy?

>>1206081

most 'pros' are retarded, incompetent 60 yo alcoholics. god bless you.

>>1206115
Thanks senpai, I'm glad someone else understands how it is.

>>1206096
uh...ok mr snipe but please... just the tip

So the shot of black guy ... are you buying pure white paint and asking for a little black?
Why do this?
The customer is going to have tons of trouble matching it later .
Just buy an off white in one of a billion colors offered and be done with it.
Are you european and things work differently ?
I dont understand why anyone would do this.

>>1203433
>Ask the paint store to "put a shot of black" in it
>>1203479
>This is the most retarded thing I have seen yet on this board.
Dunno, i think this is brilliant.

>>1206323
Brilliant in what way?

>>1206077
>So if a professional painter asks for a specific formula change, you know better, and you pretend to do what he asked even though he can look at the paint and see that you fucked up on purpose.
I fucking hate that so much. If I tell you to change the paint, you'd better change the damn paint. I pay you to provide a service, not an opinion.
Most of you smug fucks don't know shit about coatings anyway so your only true use is entertaining the board house wives that come in the store.

I just buy the brand that's priced somewhere in between, or whatever is on sale.
Then I buy the cheapest masking tape because, how expensive does it need to be? it's tape. And of course the paint runs right under the tape goddamnit.

>>1206459
That's why pros don't use protection when they're applying that shot of black paint. It doesn't work worth a shit, and takes too long to put on. They just cut in with a good brush.

>>1203428
go to the hardware store
get the cheapest white (for indoors)
by a bottle of white pigments
ad white pigments to cheap paint
instanously you have high quality paint for cheap.
if you need to add some extra bounding power, because the surface is not durable enough, you add halve a bottle of white wood glue. Polyvinyl acetate is a common additive in paint anyway.

profit

>>1206411
I'd love to hear a story of this actually happening. It doesnt.

>>1206507
I asked for a safety yellow with a touch of green in it, like Rust-Oleum cv740 Saftey Yellow has(I had to buy a different brand because the store ran out of cv740). Popped the can back at work and it had no green, just a washed out bright yellow that matches Ellis's Saftey Yellow. When I called the store the kid thought I was kidding about the green. I took a sample in to show him I wasn't.
>Maybe, just maybe, the customer knows what he wants.

I'm not an architectural painter, I'm industrial.

>>1206037
>they got a Paint+Primer mix thinking they wouldn't need to prime

This is exactly me. The sad thing is I actually bought a primer and a paint+primer, planning to put the regular primer down first, then fucking forgot I had it until after I had put on 2 coats of paint+primer lol. Oh well, I'm out of this place in 2 weeks anyway so I won't have to deal with the long term.

>>1206081

Nonprofessional here. The problem is that you're saying the ends (customer goes along merrily) justify the means (deceiving the customer).

I don't understand why you don't just tell them the things you're telling us? "If I do this it will look bad, I'd strongly recommend you don't do it". Or "If I do this is it voids the warranty and I think you'll not get the result you want, so you can't return it either." I imagine it's because you've decided the chances of them noticing you didn't do what they asked are smaller than the chances of someone hearing these warnings and returning to bitch about it anyway. Thus, you're deceiving them with the thought that they'll probably be happy AND you can avoid getting complained at for dumb reasons.

I guess it comes down to integrity. You don't seem to have as much as the people arguing with you, although I don't think you're being malicious or negligent. You're a chaotic good while your detractors are lawful good.

>>1206521
I do explain this. All you've done is ASSUME that I don't and call names again showing you're massive lack of knowledge of this industry if you think you can last in my position doing that.

I've worked from sales associate to ASM, Store Managers, Sales Rep and now district Technical Sales Rep for architectural coatings. Are you truly dense enough to think that I can just sell 50k worth of a product to a developer or company by not explaining every step of their project coating-wise? At this level of selling, you'd sink your career fast with no integrity. It's all based on your word.


Stick to telling people to "add a shot of black" and I'll continue to educate them famalam.

>>1206536
>ASSUME

You're assuming I'm the guy who started this conversation with you; I'm not. The only posts I've made were the one you just responded to and this one.

>I do explain this.

Then what's the problem with doing what they ask afterward? You explained it's not going to look the way they want, they insist, you do it eventually. This is how other people operate and expect companies to operate, but you have decided that your understanding is superior to theirs, therefore it's better to deceive the customers because they're too dumb to know what they really want. Tell me what in this paragraph doesn't directly match the comments you've made.

>>1206589

>Tell me what in this paragraph doesn't directly match the comments you've made.

Sigh.

>Then what's the problem with doing what they ask afterward?

That 100% doesn't match what I said.

I never once said that I will absolutely NOT do it if they ask after I explain. No one will think you're a pro if you ask for a shot of black was the argument. I don't do or recommend this ever. If someone still wanted it afterwards, sure I don't mind since they know they can no longer return it.

Your first coat and prep is always the most important.

The rest is whatever.

Get cheap paint and spend the savings on tapestries.

1 coat primer. 2 coats finish.

Cheap paint is fine. You won't be able to tell the difference between cheap paint or Benjamin Moore if you're a good painter.
>>1203433
This guy is the most informed in the thread.

Asides from the 'shot of black' stuff, which hasn't been relevant in years, since as others as said this is already done.

>>1203495
>2 coats of primer
>4-5 coats of top coat
>light sanding and dust cleaning between every single coat

Holy fuck, I sure hope you charge by the hour and not by the job LOL.

>>1203457
No it won't. Cheap paint, expensive paint it still finishes like shit if you can't paint. It'll all run just the same.

>>1203530
Unless the walls are fucking black lead paint or in absolute shit shape, you only need 1 coat of good primer.

Primer is where you spend your money. Finish paint buy the cheap shit.

>>1203552
>multiple thin coats

Amateurs are bad at painting. Asking them to paint more means more runs, more brush marks, roller lines whatever.
1+2.

>>1203593
That is if it doesn't fall over from the weight of the paint

>>1205629
Yes there is a reason
>>1205656
If people are rich enough to afford painters, they can typically afford better paint as well.


>>1206411
>when the ask for really ugly colors
>'well uhhh.... let me get my color book... maybe we can uhhh-'
>NO my wife saw this in a magazine and wants it done that way
>not trusting professionals. thinking the internet makes them experts

And once it's all done and you just look at them knowing it looks like complete shit, she's ecstatic because it was her decision and he's just got this deadpan look. And you know in 6 years when they've after they've had a big fight, and she's staring at the terrible colored walls, she's thinking in a fit:'why did we ever hire such a shitty painter'

>>1206621

>not trusting professionals. thinking the internet makes them experts

Jesus Christ, you're spot on about so much. You must have worked selling paint before.

Painters apply paint and half that came into my store couldn't do that properly.

The reason that you have expensive, thick paint and why its recommended is that most people cannot paint. Thicker paint 'helps' level out better but if youre not using the right nap with the right material for your paint it looks like shit and have roller marks everywhere. I've had people come in daily using 1" nap rollers on walls and want to know why they have roller marks and proceed to tell me that they "loaded" their roller properly.

>>1206605

"If someone just said put a shot of black in it, I'd know their autism levels. I'd say sure and put nothing in it"

That's you not even bothering to explain, and instead simply not doing what they ask. If that quote is one you'd like to retract, feel free, but you're giving conflicting messages.

>>1206824
Fuck guys this is a stupid fucking argument
let it go , you are shitting up the thread

>>1203495
>https://www.bobvila.com/articles/homemade-paint/

>make your own paint

>three of five recipes are just shit mixed with store-bought paint.
>two are milk and flour paint, which is shit

Gee.

>>1206517
You didn't screw up by intending to use primer then getting a paint+primer, just helps with the adhesion. You may end up needing to do two coats but you should always do that anyway. You did screw up by not using the primer but a well you are moving out lol

>>1203428
Ben Moore sells a line of paint call Ultra Spec (or Ben at the hardware store), It's 25 to 35 dollars, and for walls you can't tell the difference. For trim I would at least go for the Regal line of paint. Ben Moore is nice paint, and I find it easier to paint with. For ceiling paint, just buy the Eminence from Sherwin Williams, that's about 30 a gallon.

>>1206517
That's actually completely fine. There is no such thing as a one coat paint.

Most mid-grade paints can be used as a primer coat anyway.

Primer's main job is to help with adhesion and provide a uniform color underneath your paint.

>>1203428
>Anecdotal evidence here

I've had cheap paint, and I've had expensive paint. Expensive paint has always looked better, has had better coverage, and has LOOKED like I spent money on it vs the $5 a gallon shit you get at walmart. Of course, this is only my experience. It also helps to take your time, make sure you are getting edge to edge coverage, make sure you don't get lazy with the edges.

The key to painting is layering. I like to take 100 parts water, 1 part wood glue, I layer this across the entire surface. It's an old pro trick, usually only down for multi million dollar homes. Makes the paint really stick. Just look up the chemistry of wood glue and ull understand

moved into a new old house. its had layers upon layers of paint applied to it and is peeling everywhere. all the edges are screwed and even the ceiling paing is peeling all over the place. im pretty sure the best thing would be to remove all the paint. its on plaster and gyprock. what do?

>>1203428
cheap paint is thinner and requires more coats to be solid

However, this can be an asset, like trying to blend colors or do more complex paint jobs with an obre

>>1206889
Do you have to tint the thinned out wood glue any? Say... with a shot of black paint, perhaps?

>>1206016

> this is on an internet forum where people actively sign up and post using avatars and recorded post counts

Wow. What website?

>>1206202
>So the shot of black guy ... are you buying pure white paint and asking for a little black?
>Why do this?
>The customer is going to have tons of trouble matching it later .
>Just buy an off white in one of a billion colors offered and be done with it.
>Are you european and things work differently ?
>I dont understand why anyone would do this.

I'm american and I know that when I buy standard white trim paint or standard white ceiling flat it does not cover as well as when they add a shot of black.

There are high-hide white paints and I am not referring to them.

Nobody can match ceiling paint anyway, especially after a few years of gathering dust or kitchen fumes.

Ceiling white is very inexpensive, so there is no reason to buy one of a billion off whites that they do not have in stock, whereas they will have many gallons of ceiling white. If you add a shot of black no one will ever know, but it will cover better and believe it or not one coat of white ceiling paint over old ceiling paint does not always cover well.

Same goes for trim paint. The store will have dozens of gallons of pure white and when you put it over old slightly dirty white trim paint it will not cover as well as it does with a shot of black.

I'd actually love to paint two rooms with the paint store guy working beside me, one room with his recommended paint and one room with my stupid as hell "shot of black", both rooms getting only one coat to cover old slightly dirty (normal wear and tear) paint, and then have an impartial person evaluate the results.

People who work in paint stores are usually highly trained about what they sell, but when they say that the person who actually does the work is a buffoon it makes you wonder if they are as professional as they claim.

>>1207052
>The store will have dozens of gallons of pure white
Those are meant to be tinted

>>1206889

When I'm at a restaurant I ask for a pitcher of water with a shot of Coke in it. The waiter's eyes light up and you can hear forks dropping all around us

Every time I scroll past this thread I think it's a photo of someone dipping dry spaghetti into a white sauce.

>>1207065
Back to /ck/ fatty

>>1203428
are you really only meant to put that much on the brush? it would take forever to paint the parts the roller wouldnt reach

>>1207090
Yes. And yes.

>>1207055
>Those are meant to be tinted

Sorry that I wasn't clear. I'm referring to the product they sell that is white and is ready to be used. Sometimes it says it can be tinted, but it's intended to be used as is.

Around here, both exterior and interior trim paint is white in most cases. You would agree that that white paint can be purchased as a factory color, wouldn't you, and since it is used so much it would make sense to stock a lot of it.

If you are saying that there is such a thing as a tintable base that is white and has to have additional tint to be white (goddamn I can't believe I'm typing this sentence) it would be behind the counter and not out on the shelf where retards like myself would buy it without carefully reading the label.

>>1207090
>>1207099

Um, that's barely enough for the first dip, and if you have been painting for hours most if not all of the bristles will be full of paint.

One mistake that amateurs make is trying to dip into a full gallon of paint like in OP's pic. Pour a few inches into an empty bucket, dip your brush, and lightly tap it on one or both sides to remove the excess. Never wipe it on the rim unless you have a specific need to remove a lot of the paint or you need to remove the paint on one side. Painting the edge of trim next to the wall can be done far straighter if you lightly wipe that side of the brush; just make sure you leave enough paint in the brush so that it flows well and paints more than just a few inches.

>>1203428
Main drawback of cheap paints: they can't stand UV rays. Become yellowish quite rapidly.
You may use white cheap paint as base coat still.

>>1207102
>but it's intended to be used as is.
Not really. No high end user would ever use white paint straight from the store.
They can all be tinted and it is free so why not do it?
Some random shot of black can never be matched. No one in the first world does this.

>>1206514

That is a funny story, do you get payed for making the return trip ?

>>1207187
Really. Not that Anon, but yes, there are pre-tinted paints available from box stores for trim and ceilings. I think the Despot calls theirs Swiss Coffee? It's on my trim right now as I sit here, and even without the shot of black (I wasn't a pro a year or so ago when I painted...) it still looks good. They aren't talking about straight white base paint.

>>1207193
>That is a funny story, do you get payed for making the return trip ?
I'm union, I'm always getting paid.
The guys at the paint store are bros tho, I don't get angry with 'em. Just told the rep I wasn't pleased.

>>1207208
Same here. Room colors custom tinted (HD mixed Sherwiin Williams colors). All the trim and the kitchen and bathroom cabinets are Swiss Coffee.

>>1207187
>Not really. No high end user would ever use white paint straight from the store.

You are the kind of troll that I can respect. Because I have no idea where you are coming from.

Normies love white paint. Normies cannot get enough of white paint.

Would you like your trim to be an off-white, perchance, sir? "Well, uh, what exactly does that mean? I'm just a lawyer making six figures and I don't have time to research ralph lauren or what's that bitch's name oh yeah "Martha Stewart Interior Themes". Just paint it white. You can do that can't you, painter bro?

Sure pal. I'll hit it with a shot of black and you're good to go.

pic related: lawyer guy's 17 year old daughter rocking her white with a shot of black deck trim

>>1207265
>>1207265
Those martha stuart whites are not pure white anon. They are tinted >>1207208

Yes those tinted paints do not need a shot of black they are tinted already. anon is trying to say pure white needs a shot of black. No one is using pure white.
Those trim and ceiling paints are not pure white. they have enough tint to ensure they cover nicely.
No shot of black is needed

>>1207296
By "pure white" what do you mean? A tint base?
Are you assuming people are buying tint base, not tinting it, and painting walls and shit with it? Who would sell people that?
Educate me please. My specialty is multi-part industrial coatings, not architectural, so I'm a tad ignorant here.

>>1207335
You have many different bases.

Extra White, Deep, Ultradeep are most common.

The differences are in the amount of colorant that can be added to tint them.

White, Pure White, Bright White bases are prepackaged colors that can be bought and are usually designated for trim and ceiling paints.

Please let the shot of black meme die.

>>1203495
over kill much? geeez.
I have always used cheap to somewhat cheap paint and never had any problems. I often use the 'mistake' paint in the bargain section. again never had any problems. the point about a good brush is true tho'. use brush to 'cut in' around trim and the bottom and top of the wall. I then use a (cheap) roller (thin nap) to roll paint the wall. let it dry then go back and add 2nd coat mostly to areas that obviously need it. no way in heck I'd pay $50 or more for a gal of paint. that's for the richie rich crowd. and seriously, I get good results from cheap paint. maybe it helps that I'm an artist though, I know how to use a brush and feather and blend etc. maybe a 1st timer won't have as much 'luck'?
also DO NOT paint over the electrical outlet covers and the light switch covers!!!!! that is 100% bad form. best way is to remove them, then put them back when paint is completely dry.

>>1206096
>I always bet on black
as do I.
as.
do.
I.

>>1206459
if your good with a brush you shouldn't even need tape. one [pro]tip I do is I use a 'sash' brush as the 'cutting in' brush. works like a dream, no need for taping up everything.
sash brush is the one that is angled. I just picked up a shite load of pretty nice ones for pennies on the dollar at a clearance section sale a few months back. Im set for LIFE. won't need to buy another semi-expensive brush again!

>>1206699
>using 1" nap rollers
YIPES!
I use the thin ones only and I've use the thin foam ones and they have worked great for me too. the foam ones also clean up easier so they can be re-used. the 'standard' thin ones can be cleaned but its more work and probably not worth the time.

>>1207409
>DO NOT paint over the electrical outlet covers and the light switch covers!!!!!
how else am I 'posta git 'er done fast?!

>>1207559
or...... do this!

>>1207403
Too late Anon. Not only have I started putting a shot in all my paint, I even stopped using cream in my coffee and every time I take a sip I find someone to wink at, even if it's just the cat, so someone will know that I'm a pro now.

>>1207563

>>1205803

Here ya go

>>1207559
>painting over wall sockets
>painting over screws

Oh my god I am so angry

>>1207560
Imagine how absolutely bland your life must be in order to find this bullshit entertaining.

>>1207560

Just for curiosity's sake: is that from Murrica?

The switch with "off" on top astonishes me. I wired all my switches in such a way when you press the lower part of them the power goes well... down. I've heard this is considered best practice here in Europe.

>>1207560
> Make dangerous items more attractive to children

You may be a bunch of violent ignorant faggots, but at least you are continually on the job trying to remove yourselves from the planet. Just make funs for toddlers and be done with it.

>>1208507
>>1208506
>>1208489
>Europeans

>>1208506
>The switch with "off" on top astonishes me.

Normal american switches are "up" for "on". See pic related from my kitchen.

>>1208556
Jesus, go spend the $20 to get paint for your wall and the $5 for two new switches and a wall plate, you degenerate.

>>1208576
>you degenerate.

Let me guess: you either still live with your parents or you have a wife or gf who cleans your place.

Normal men are too busy to waste time polishing stuff like switch plates.

>>1208576
>too retarded to see its a google image

>>1208583
>>too retarded to see its a google image

Prove it. I can timestamp it if necessary, but you have to state a convincing case first.

There's nothing wrong with the switch. That's what rental agreements refer to as "normal wear and tear".

¨>>1208556

Ew. Better draw some smiley faces on these.

>>1208581
Sure my wife cooks and cleans, but I do the painting and replacing light switches. A new wall plate is less than a dollar.

How poor are you?

>>1208590
>How poor are you?

It isn't a matter of money, but the principle. How often should I replace everything I own to suit your extreme requirements? You are probably like Howard Hughes, worrying himself to death about germs on everything in his hotel suite.

>>1208592
>t. guy who thinks that slime is acceptable and has "principles" over spending a dollar and turning 1 tiny screw

>>1208596
>that slime is acceptable

I agree it looks bad in that photo but that's just the contrast. In reality it's just like a sort of patina, like on fine old brasswork.

>>1208590
>Sure my wife cooks and cleans, but I do the painting and replacing light switches. A new wall plate is less than a dollar.
clearly she doesnt and clearly you dont
degen

>>1208600

LOL you are lost. This board needs thread specific IDs and even flags like /pol/ then it would be easier to carry on discussions.

>>1208600
>t. total loser

Will you guys shut up about light switches and receptacles? I want to hear people argue about paint.

>>1208758
Put a shot of black in it

>>1208758
Put exactly one cumshot of black man in it

>>1208758
>>1208763

>>1208758
OK I have a related question... how the hell do you guys clean brushes you use on oil paints or polyurethane? Seems like I only ever get one use out of brushes I use for polyurethane, whereas I've had the same brushes I use for latex for years.

>>1208850
>how the hell do you guys clean brushes you use on oil paints or polyurethane?


Shot of black. works every time

>>1208990
>>1208850
Sorry anon could not resist.
Dip the brush in thinner all the way past the ferrule when its still dry.
Pre treating your brush keeps things from really glomming on to it.

>>1208991
>Dip the brush in thinner all the way past the ferrule when its still dry.
>Pre treating your brush keeps things from really glomming on to it.

WHY DO PEOPLE WHO HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE POST DETAILED ANSWERS HERE?

This will have zero effect if you actually paint something larger than one receptacle plate.

Use paint thinner or mineral spirits or kerosene or even diesel fuel to clean a brush used in an oil-based or alkyd product unless it's one of those new hybrid products that says use soap and water.

BIG TIP FOR BEGINNERS: you do not have to discard the solvent. Keep it in a decent container and after a week or two almost all of the bad stuff will have settled to the bottom and you can pour the clear back into a container and use it over and over again. It will not wear out. Brand new mineral spirits will be slightly better and so you might use it for the final rinse but that recycled stuff will last forever.

Do not ever put solvent soaked rags into a container. Google spontaneous combustion before you burn your house or car down.

The shot of black technique applies to oil and alkyd white paints same as it does for latex.

Oil paint fumes will make you high and if you do not wear a respirator you will eventually have what I refer to as "painter brain". Work on construction sites will all manner of trades and you will soon learn that "painter brain" is a sad state of affairs.

>>1209140
>will all manner

OH SHIT EARLY SIGN OF PAINTER BRAIN OH FUCK DAMMIT.

"with all manner"

>>1209141
Forgot pic

>>1209140

A painter that does not pretreat his brush?
Oh look , its shot of black guy

>>1209191
>A painter that does not pretreat his brush?
>Oh look , its shot of black guy

Nobody "pretreats" a brush. What exactly does it accomplish? If you paint very long, the evil paint will come into contact with the bristles.

The belief that putting thinner on your brush and then painting for a few hours and somehow that thinner makes the brush easier to clean is pure nonsense, as is the belief that it somehow makes the brush paint better. Your first bit of painting will be with diluted paint.

>>1209196
>omehow that thinner makes the brush easier to clean is pure nonsense,
says the guy who asks for random black pigment to be added to his paint in 2017

>>1209311
>says the guy who asks for random black pigment to be added to his paint in 2017

It is not random. Paint mixing is one of the most tightly controlled operations you will encounter on a daily basis, if the store has modern equipment. You can get any color matched, and buy a gallon or more today, then go back for another gallon next week and you will not be able to tell the difference.

We used to have to "box" the paint which means mix all the gallons together, and you did not expect one more gallon next week to be a perfect match, but nowadays they seem to all be pretty accurate.

Another term for "a shot of black" around here is "B-1", because that's what is printed on a gallon can if they put whatever a "shot" is. But saying "B-1" is risky like trying to use police code when talking to 911. It's considered protocol to simply say "put a shot of black in it" and it will be fine.

This is me out shopping with the family unit. "Big Head" is my nickname lol.

>>1209331
>This is me out shopping with the family
Did not realize you were from canada.
everything is different up there

>>1209339
>Did not realize you were from canada.
>everything is different up there

Timbits. you have to try them.

>>1209140
>The shot of black technique applies to oil and alkyd white paints same as it does for latex.

aaaaaand here we go again

>>1209463

>>1209140
>you do not have to discard the solvent. Keep it in a decent container and after a week or two almost all of the bad stuff will have settled to the bottom and you can pour the clear back into a container and use it over and over again.
this.

>>1206963

I'm my house I sanded it, painted it with kilz, re sanded any obvious imperfections, and painted it with kilz again

>>1210159
Heat gun really helps get old shit off.

Next major project is a bathroom remodel in my place.
I purchased it from an older couple in town who did a fix-n-flip, they bought it from a hoarder who went into foreclosure. Their "fix" was to cover the bathroom walls with wallpaper, and that shit lasted about two weeks. When I pulled the wallpaper down and saw the horror behind it, I realized why they threw wallpaper up - it was going to be a major project to do it "right".
>Pic related, i'd already pulled down several of the wallpaper sections on the far wall
I've patched up areas, did a complete repaint about 5 years ago, but it needs to be gone through again.

I'll be doing a lot of scraping, skim-coat/texture on top of that, couple coats of primer, then repaint.... walls and ceiling.
And a tile bath surround. The plastic drop-in shit's fucking awful.

>>1210548
>couple coats of primer

This makes no sense. You never have to put more than one coat of primer on any part of a house. Most of the time no primer is needed at all except on raw wood or when you are putting latex over old oil based paint.

>>1210556
Unless you want to cover what colour it was with less drying time in between coats

>>1210821
>Unless you want to cover what colour it was with less drying time in between coats

I have no idea what you are saying. priming N times does not help you change a color.

changing a color means applying two coats of the new color. No experienced painter gives a shit about primer drying time in this situation.

to put that another way: your multiple primer coats have to be covered by two paint coats, while two paint coats will cover by themselves.

paint threads are the new /diy/ meme threads. maybe you just need a shot of black.

>>1210840
>I have no idea what you are saying. priming N times does not help you change a color.

I'm going to disagree with ya here. To got from dark purple to tan I had to use 2 coats of primer + 2 coats of tan. 3 coats of color in some places.

Some colors can be a bitch covering evenly.

>>1203428
Your father is correct in the fact that bad paint is shitty and takes more coats, but he is retarded for thinking that Benjamin Moore is good paint just cause it costs more, because it is mid grade at best.

That and it fucking sprays like a busted sprinkler when you roll it.

>>1210840
Maybe if you half tint the primer you could get away with 1 coat of the top color but thats iffy, but im with you buddy white primer dosent change anything past the first coat.