/diy/ - Do It Yourself

This is as far as they open.

>>1166928
>TL;DR How can I keep the trashbags from falling down in these trashcans?
No idea, post some detailed photos of the cans, flange and innards so we can actually see what the fuck you're talking about.

Also, why aren't you addressing this obvious design flaw with the manufacturer?

>>1166932
I can take a bunch of pictures of the cleanest can I can tomorrow at work and post them straight to here.

>Also, why aren't you addressing this obvious design flaw with the manufacturer?
We bitch non stop about it, technically we're not supposed to even put bags in them and supposed to wait for the trash truck to get them.
So many guys on that truck and gotten hernias and back injuries.

>>1166929
Man thay seagull is huge. Really surprised that they can open garbage cans

>>1166935
Also, If we wait for the trash truck, we're gonna have this situation, hundreds of times along the beach, the parking lots, restrooms and access-ways.
Summer time here is insane with the amount of people and the literal tons of food they bring.

>>1166936
They can't, they can get into open cans and then they wreak havoc.
They're raised on and continually survive off of pure garbage their whole lives.
They refuse to eat fruits or vegetables or nuts.
Only rotting junk food.

I'll probably end up reposting this thread tomorrow with some more detailed pictures.

>>1166949
It'll still be here, we're a slow board.

>>1166936
Kind of a dick move and one of my favorite past times is feeding the birds. But you can have local kids feed them alka seltzer tabs. The greedy fucks swallow them hole fighting over them and then swell up and die. Cheap fix to have 75% of the population gone in 1 day bit very sad and doesnt really fix much.

>>1166928
Binder clip or similar to can side?

>>1166928
twisting lock lid would be a good design idea for the cans, for the liners, a removable flexible (maybe metal or plastic) 0 ring/band that fits smugly around the the inside/top would be easy to use. It would use friction to hold the bag against the inside of the can and would be be protected by the bag that you are pulling out, requiring less cleaning.

Just tell a bunch of antfa kids the cans voted trump.
the constant screaming and kicking will keep the birds away.

>>1167002
ehehe

>>1167002
Oh boi am I lauffin

>>1166928
Retrofit the truck with a Can Lifter/Can Tipper, a hydraulic clamp with a flipping mechanism to dump into the truck. The most common units are fit for those roller bins with the metal bar but manufacturers also produce them with clamps to grasp barrels. Then it would just be a matter of dragging the can over and making sure it was turned the right way.

The systems are not free but they are 100% designed in reaction to this problem and are supposed to be competitive with the costs of paying for trashmen getting their backs replaced. Abandon liner bags altogether.

>>1167030
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>>1166928
>Sounds simple, right?
youre right.

most of the bins in aus look like this. just enough space to put rubbish in but not enough space for birds to sit on it and pick rubbish out.

opens with a lock and replace.

>>1167080

when you put the bag in make sure it reaches the bottom.

grab the lip of the bag and fold it over the can then twist, keep twisting till its tight and fold it under the lip. it wont move.

binder clips work too.

>>1166928

Check that the bag is not too small for the bin. If it is, put something in the bottom of the bin to reduce the depth. As for securing the bag top, use magnets.

Alright, I'm on break.
Here are some pics I snapped today.

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>>1167228
With a bag

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>>1166928
right, Im grasping the problem now - for anyone else as retarded as I, a summary:

(i) bags fall in as partially-opening lid does not allow bag to be fully hung round the outer rim - front is hung round the rim, back (where lid is bolted in place) just hanging there, as no rim. Bags fall in.

(ii) bins cannot be replaced entirely, (cost, etc.)

If thats all true and accurate (?) its basically a retarded design, maybe add a rim somehow at the rear of the bin, or, an inner spring bag holder that keeps the bag in place, or, inner spring and additional interior rim. Or something. But the basic problem remains, you cannot rely on hanging a bag over a rim, when you only have 2/3 of a rim to hang it on.

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>>1167232
So, yeah, the problem is that these cans are not designed for a liner/bag but someone decided to waste the time and money on this fool's errand.

I got a solution.

Drill a 1/2" hole on the top of the smaller unmovable part of the lid, near the rim.
Put bag in, fold edge around the exposed front part of the can rim.
Pull slack taught, gather it into a twist and poke it up through the hole from the underside of the lid.
Tie off slack in a knot.

Variant ideas:
a small X of 2 simple intersecting cuts instead of a hole to provide friction.
Impaling the slack or knot pulled up through the hole with a stick or something.
Two holes with smaller amount of slack pulled up, one longer stick impaled through both pieces of trash bag.

If it was me, I'd do the hole thing on one can to see how it holds up through a couple cycles, then if it works well go and do 'em all with a cordless drill next time around.

>>1167439
Also, might be that with the size of bags you're given, a smaller hole diameter might work better. Smaller bag diameter: less slack: knot might fall through hole. I just liked the 1/2" hole idea because it'd be easy to stick your finger through it. Could always get them to order larger bags, right?

>>1167443
removal, just pull or cut the knot off if untying it is too slow, I guess.

>>1167439
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>>1167444

On second thought, I bet gathering up a twist and poking it up through the hole first, then folding bag down over the rim before knotting the slack would be easiest.

>>1167450
If this works, I demand a tribute. Write "Kit Hole" on one of them and upload a photo.

>>1167081
I want to pour DCM down the organics chute, but I don't think that's quite what they have in mind.

>>1166928

Okay. Best thing to do is make the whole lid removable. That way you can insert bags stretched properly over the rim PLUS are able to later pull out full bags with out jamming against the lid hinge, which I imagine causes much cussing.

Method: Drill out the aluminum rivets (preferred) or cut away/melt the plastic around each rivet away...but preserving the holes. Now your lid is free. Don't throw it out, you are going to modify it. Put the lid back onto the can. Take some rope and thread it through the
holes that you just liberated from the rivets. Now tie off the rope so you create a tight belt around the can with the "buckle" of the lid. To get the ideal diameter of the belt, measure for the diameter of the can, and then make it 5% smaller. Look up some knots for the optimal method, and the knot should probably be on the rear side of the can.

If the rope is tight enough then the lid should "snap" into place and it will not come off during normal lid operations - the rope will be under the lip of the can, as will the" fingers" that are molded into the plastic of the lid. To remove, just a hard tug on the lid should do it.

So this bit of rope gives you 2 things:
1. Lid becomes removable for easy emptying
2. Bag goes over the can securely

You could replace rope with other things, ie. metal banding/buckle, etc. but rope is simplest and cheapest.

The drawback is anyone can swipe the lids now.

>>1166928
Put something a little bigger than a money clip on the rim of the trash can to stop it from falling. Put as many as needed I guess.

OP here.
These are great ideas.
I'm gonna try the x slits/1/2" holes method first.
Purely because it's the quickest method and if it works, I can modify a whole stretch of highway in one day.
If it works, I will indeed make a tribute to the kit holes.

>>1167614
Might actually try 2 holes

>>1167232
get a larger bag.

attatch to under part of the lid so that when it opens the bag opens and the entire opening is just bing lining.

recommend larger bag so that if it gets bottom heavy it doesnt tear the top of the bag from the lid and rim.

test with double sided tape

>>1167620
Get different bags?
Youve never dealt with bureaucracy before have you?

Put two of these in the non-movable part of the lid, maybe 2 inches in from the hinge, with the hook on the inside of the can.

When you wrap your garbage bag, pull the bag to the hooks and punch a hole in the bag to slip over the hooks. When trash goes in it'll pull the bag down against the hook and it should stay put. If it doesn't, bend the hooks in such a way that the bag stays on. Think IV bag hanging.

When you punch the hole, make sure you still roll the edge of the bag a little and put the hole below the roll. That effectively makes the rim/roll of the bag into a thicker, stronger place for the hook to hold and it won't rip the bag open.

Benefits: simple, probably a $2/can fix. Simple to detach the bag. Only modifications are small holes in the lid and a tiny bit of thread/bolt sticking up. Use acorn nuts if you want a smooth, safe top. Should work.

Cons: anybody can steal the hooks. Maybe you can find some sort of rivet solution using the same premise of an internal hook under the fixed part of the lid though, pic related is just the first hook I thought of.
Might also pose an issue if the trash is above the lid, as you'll have to dig under the lid to undo the bag depending on how hooked it is. You might be able to find a happy middle ground of hook bend that still allows you to pull it off at the right angle without falling off.

>>1167081
Looks like my neighborhood Target ™

>>1167641
just dump some dirt in the bottom of the can for support and use the original bags then

If the can is metal put a magnet inside to support the side of the trash bag to hold it up.