/vegan general/

[Anonymous No.9818558]

Can this be a thing now? There must be some of you on here. Vegetarians and meatcucks not welcome, unless you're seeking advice on making the transition.

>inb4 'lol soyboys':
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19524224
'The results of this meta-analysis suggest that neither soy foods nor isoflavone supplements alter measures of bioavailable T concentrations in men.'
http://www.fertstert.org/article/S0015-0282(10)00368-7/abstract
'The intervention data indicate that isoflavones do not exert feminizing effects on men at intake levels equal to and even considerably higher than are typical for Asian males.'
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19496976
'The present data on men and children indicate that estrogens in milk were absorbed, and gonadotropin secretion was suppressed, followed by a decrease in testosterone secretion. Sexual maturation of prepubertal children could be affected by the ordinary intake of cow milk.'

A couple of things I'm curious about:
What are you making for Christmas dinner?
How do you deal with having to sit around people eating meat?

[Anonymous No.9818560]

>generals

[Anonymous No.9818563]

>>9818558
>arbitrary restrictions
>based on arbitrary distinctions
Fuck right off

[Anonymous No.9818577]

First post for SONYBROS!
FUCK XDRONES FUCK MASTURDRACE AND FUCK NINTENTODDLERS
BLOODBORNE NEVER EVER!

[Anonymous No.9818873]

If I wasn't in a position to hunt, kill and butcher most of my own meat, I might consider vegetarianism because the US meat industry products are pure, adulterated garbage not fit to slop animals. But I'd never give up my backyard chicken eggs or raw dairy, so veganism is out. Plus, I refuse to belong to prosletising cults like the abrahamic religions or vegans.

[Anonymous No.9819382]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrlBSuuy50Y

Definitely watch this if you haven't

[Anonymous No.9820068]

>science says soy doesn't feminize men!

So what is it that vegans are eating that makes them little stick girls, and why won't they stop?

[Anonymous No.9820210]

>>9818558
lol soyboys

[Anonymous No.9820225]

>>9818560
fpbp
Fuck off OP, too many good boards have been ruined by generals.

[Anonymous No.9820370]

I’m vegan and trying to start up a vegan restaurant. This is my first time here, and I’m glad to see this thread. I’m a nazi pol fag mainly, but this board seems great!

[Anonymous No.9820718]

>>9820068
Phytoestrogens and Disease: http://tinyurl com/hfxu23q
Phytoestrogens and Heart Disease: http://tinyurl com/zg2nh7a
Phytoestrogen and Kidney Disease: http://tinyurl com/jtwyanb
High soy can result in 59% less breast cancer study: http://tinyurl com/j8ywsra
Soy yields 13% lower LDL/Bad Cholesterol Study: http://tinyurl com/hhf4weq
Soy and Men Hormones Study: http://tinyurl com/hsu4wqk
Meta-analysis on men, soy and phytoestrogen extracts: http://tinyurl com/ja5s9k2
30-50% of men get manboobs: http://tinyurl com/zb58cbs
Phytoestrogen content of various foods: http://tinyurl com/z3kpvsw
220 women over 2 years soy study: http://tinyurl com/z4tbb7d
Meta-analysis on 47 studies no estrogen change: http://tinyurl com/hsm6ctb
Soy being fine for men: http://tinyurl com/zwddamh

Think of it this way: An estrogen molecule is like a jumbo jet that attaches to the Jetway of an airport. It discharges passengers into the terminal, which is suddenly a busy, noisy place. Phytoestrogens, being weak estrogens, are like small, private planes with few passengers and no cargo, yet they still occupy the Jetway after landing. When phytoestrogens occupy the cell, normal estrogens cannot. Plant estrogens do not eliminate all of estrogen's effects, but they do minimize them, apparently reducing breast cancer risk and menstrual symptoms

>T
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17107848
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374537/pdf/83-6691152a.pdf
http://www.oneingredientchef.com/vegan-men/
https://nutritionfacts.org/2013/02/12/less-cancer-in-vegan-men-despite-more-testosterone/
http://www.jcr-admin.org/files/pressreleases/051512225221_Rozinrelease.pdf
http://markitonutrition.com/vegans-have-more-testosterone/

[Anonymous No.9820720]

>>9820370
What's gonna be on your menu? Give us some chef-tier recipes!

[Anonymous No.9820725]

>>9820210
lol dairyfairies

[Anonymous No.9820946]

>>9818558
I have a legit question, I am not trying to be judgmental or anything, just curious....If a product claims it's vegan and claims it tastes like some meat item, doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of being vegan?
Second question,
I personally am a meat eater (dabbles every so often in alt food) and wish to try a newbie vegan dish is stir fry really the best way to intro myself to vegan cooking?

[Anonymous No.9820956]

>>9820946
>If a product claims it's vegan and claims it tastes like some meat item, doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of being vegan?
No. Vegans don't eat animal products because it's immoral, unhealthy, and essentially unnecessary murder.
Some people need their meat taste because they are babies who can't live without tasting a certain texture/flavor. Most vegans only eat imitation meat a few times per year. There's no need for it. It's expensive and boring.
To turn your question around:
If a product claims to use plant products, spices, etc- doesn't that defeat the purpose of not being vegan?
>is stir fry really the best way to intro myself to vegan cooking?
Every single recipe can be made without animal products. Try hummus.

[Anonymous No.9820969]

>>9820956
I have tried hummus, was ok, prob wouldn't go out of my way to get it again
Also spices and such aren't exactly a selling point on that argument, but i do get your point.
Also beef wellington cannot be made vegan style, tad of an exaggeration on that bit, still see your point.

relating to a question sorta ignored here, what is your best vegan meal you'd suggest?

[Anonymous No.9820972]

>>9820956
>"If a product claims to use plant products, spices, etc- doesn't that defeat the purpose of not being vegan?"
>As if normal, meat-eating humans are opposed to eating vegetables
This was a thing typed by someone who thought it was a stellar point.

Open question: Does veganism affect cognitive function?

[Anonymous No.9820975]

>>9820969
http://olivesfordinner.com/2012/11/shallot-and-shiitake-seitan-wellington.html

[Anonymous No.9820978]

>>9820972
Healthier = Smarter
So yes, it does. In a positive way. Thanks for asking.

[Anonymous No.9820983]

>>9820975
you do realize this is just a different wellington style dish? you know, like lobster wellington?

[Anonymous No.9820984]

>>9820969
To finish answering:

What's your favorite recipes?

Curry, crockpot recipes, rice and beans, buffalo cauliflower, spicy seitan, overnight oats, tofu crumble, pasta, etc. Everything can be made with vegan ingredients.

[Anonymous No.9820985]

>>9820978
>Vegans are healthier
Kay.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/21/opinion/21planck.html

You're kinda confirming my suspicion about your cognitive function (as well as other's assertions that your diet is a weird religion)

[Anonymous No.9820989]

>>9818558
vegans should just post in the food gore threads

[Anonymous No.9820991]

>>9820985
>one person dies of veganism makes a solid argument

Nice blog article, kiddo.

[Anonymous No.9820999]

>>9820985
Effects of a long-term vegetarian diet on biomarkers of antioxidant status and cardiovascular disease risk. [Nutrition. 2004] - PubMed - NCBI
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15474873

Vegetarian diets and the incidence of cancer in a low-risk population. [Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev. 2013] - PubMed - NCBI
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23169929

Meat Consumption and Cancer Risk
http://www.cancerproject.org/survival/cancer_facts/meat.php

Red meat and colon cancer
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21558046

Study finds unsafe mercury levels in 84 percent of all fish
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57563739/study-finds-unsafe-mercury-levels-in-84-percent-of-all-fish/

Like Bacon, Sausage and Hot Dogs? Then Beware: They May Raise Your Risk of Death, New Study Finds
http://shine.yahoo.com/shine-food/like-bacon--sausage-and-hot-dogs--too-bad--cause-that-stuff-l-kill-you--new-study-finds--174609721.html

Study Points to New Culprit in Heart Disease
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/08/health/study-points-to-new-culprit-in-heart-disease.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

"Neu5Gc elicits an immune reaction that might contribute to a whole spectrum of human-specific diseases"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/3346666/Mystery-of-the-meat-eaters-molecule.html

Restriction of meat, fish, and poultry in omnivores improves mood: a pilot randomized controlled trial
http://www.nutritionj.com/content/11/1/9/abstract

Harvard School of Public Health » milk is NOT the best source of calcium
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/calcium-and-milk/

Eating less meat and dairy may help reduce osteoporosis risk, Cornell studies show.
http://news.cornell.edu/stories/1996/11/eating-less-meat-may-help-reduce-osteoporosis-risk

Milk--the promoter of chronic Western diseases
PMID: 19232475
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19232475

[Anonymous No.9821001]

>>9820984
well personally I enjoy some classic spaghetti
I have tried zucchini noodles and promptly figured out I am highly allergic to zucchini

[Anonymous No.9821002]

>>9820985
Due to measured levels of dioxin that exceed safety standards, the National Academy of Science has for years recommended that people avoid eating a diet rich in animal fats.
http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/hurtful-food-my-reaction-to-looking-at-an-oily-cheese-pizza.html

Change in quality of life and immune markers after a stay at a raw vegan institute: a pilot study
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2486444/

The role of diet and physical activity in breast, colorectal, and prostate cancer survivorship: a review of the literature
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3251953/

Interindividual differences in response to plant-based diets: implications for cancer risk
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2677005/

An impact of the diet on serum fatty acid and lipid profiles in Polish vegetarian children and children with allergy. [Eur J Clin Nutr. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21048771

Effects of a long-term vegetarian diet on biomarkers of antioxidant status and cardiovascular disease risk. [Nutrition. 2004] - PubMed - NCBI
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15474873

Vegetarian diets and the incidence of cancer in a low-risk population. [Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev. 2013] - PubMed - NCBI
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23169929

Meat Consumption and Cancer Risk
http://www.cancerproject.org/survival/cancer_facts/meat.php

Understanding the Problems with Dairy Products
http://www.nutritionmd.org/nutrition_tips/nutrition_tips_understand_foods/dairy.html
1. Osteoporosis 2. Cardiovascular Disease 3. Cancer 4. Diabetes 5. Lactose Intolerance 6. Vitamin D Toxicity 7. Contaminants 8. Health Concerns of Infants and Children

Nutrient Density of Animal and Plant Foods:
http://www.drfuhrman.com/library/article17.aspx

Nutritional Update for Physicians: Plant-Based Diets (a summary)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3662288/

[Anonymous No.9821003]

>>9820985
ESTROGEN FROM MEAT CAUSES CANCER:
IGF-1 Levels of vegans and others: http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/content/cebp/11/11/1441.full.pdf
IGF-1 in blood correlated with cancer: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2743036/pdf/ukmss-27731.pdf
IGF-1 and Cancer growth: https://academic.oup.com/edrv/article-lookup/doi/10.1210/er.2008-0022

95% of cattle are given estrogen to increase growth:
https://ofbf.org/uploads/OFBFHormoneUseinAnimalAgriculturebriefing.pdf

Mammal estrogens are 10,000x more potent than xenoestrogens and meat can contribute to 40% of estrogen intake:
http://tinyurl com/yayt4qlc

Adolescent Daily Milk = 302% increase prostate cancer: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3249408/pdf/kwr289.pdf
Increase in prostate cancer with dairy Japan: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12710911

Vegan Patrik Baboumian Breaks World Record for Most Weight Ever Carried
www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL4lb6IevWw
Rates of cancers, especially hormone-dependent cancers such as prostate cancer and breast cancer, are significantly lowered when omitting animal products, like cow's milk, from the diet. Not only that, but plant foods, such as soy and flaxseeds, have protective effects on the body to prevent or reverse the development of these types of cancers.

Flaxseeds and its effects on prostate cancer:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15134976

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19064574

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21764858

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11445478

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11911282

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18471323

[Anonymous No.9821004]

>>9820991
Three, actually.

I know, its hard to bear reading things that burst your bubble.

Very good quote from that, btw:
>Indigenous cuisines offer clues about what humans, naturally omnivorous, need to survive, reproduce and grow:
>traditional vegetarian diets, as in India, invariably include dairy and eggs for complete protein, essential fats and vitamins.
>There are no vegan societies for a simple reason: a vegan diet is not adequate in the long run.
Oh snap.

[Anonymous No.9821005]

>>9820985
Flaxseeds and its effects on breast cancer:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20724470

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21900107

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21915130

http://clincancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/11/10/3828.full.pdf+html

Soy and prostate cancer:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19838933

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10189040

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25367323

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15351581
Soy and breast cancer:

http://journals.lww.com/nutritiontodayonline/Abstract/2013/03000/Exploring_the_Soyfood_Controversy.5.aspx

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14729654

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19318430

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19996398

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19221874

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20956506

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22524810

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21357380

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22539238

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23725149

Dairy and prostate cancer:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20358466

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25989745

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16094059

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3357167/pdf/brc0005-0044.pdf

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15203374

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3249408/pdf/kwr289.pdf

http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/canres/58/3/442.full.pdf

Dairy and female cancers:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15531686

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11408508

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11875733

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25648405

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24871675

[Anonymous No.9821009]

>>9820985
Daily reminder that vegans live healthily for ~10 years longer on average

Acne, dairy and cancer (PMID: 20046583)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18398033?itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum&ordinalpos=2

Hormones in milk can be dangerous By Corydon Ireland
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/2006/12.07/11-dairy.html

Pork May Raise Your Risk of Death, New Study Finds
http://shine.yahoo.com/shine-food/like-bacon--sausage-and-hot-dogs--too-bad--cause-that-stuff-l-kill-you--new-study-finds--174609721.html

Milk consumption: aggravating factor of acne and promoter of chronic diseases of Western societies
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19243483

Milk Consumption and Prostate Cancer
http://pcrm.org/health/health-topics/milk-consumption-and-prostate-cancer

Dairy Linked to Acne Development
http://www.pcrm.org/health/medNews/dairy-linked-to-acne-development

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfsT-qYeqGM&feature=player_embedded[Open]
Celebrated Cornell University professor T. Colin Campbell Phd, presents the overwhelming evidence showing that animal protein is one of the most potent carcinogens people are exposed to.

TMAO: A Toxic Substance Formed When You Eat Meat Can Make You... Dead Meat
http://www.forksoverknives.com/tmao-a-toxic-substance-formed-when-you-eat-meat-can-make-you-dead-meat/

Meat, dairy may be as detrimental to your health as smoking cigarettes, study says
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/meat-dairy-may-be-as-detrimental-to-your-health-as-smoking-cigarettes/

Vegan Blood Fights Cancer 8x Better
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/developing-an-ex-vivo-cancer-proliferation-bioassay/

Animal Protein and the Cancer Promoter IGF-1
http://nutritionfacts.org/2013/02/14/animal-protein-and-igf-1/

Vegan diet in physiological health promotion. [Acta Physiol Hung. 1999] - PubMed - NCBI
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10943644

[Anonymous No.9821013]

I came here to see some vegan food. Not all these article links.

[Anonymous No.9821014]

>>9820985
- Vegans have higher testosterone

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374537/

-Animal-derived estrogens (60–70%) in the human diet is milk and dairy products

From <https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4524299/>


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4524299/

- Processed meattrash lowers sperm count

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4180710/

- Estrogen in milk lowers test and stops you developing into a real man

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19496976

- Casomorphine in milk is addictive

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1374738

- Milk gives you prostate cancer

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25527754

- Milk gives you acne

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19243483

- Heme iron in red meat gives you esophageal and stomach cancer

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22044848

- Meat gives you colorectal cancer

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4698595/

- Eggs increase cancer risk even when adjusted for intakes of macronutrients or for other food groups

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8061589

[Anonymous No.9821016]

>>9821009
>those steroid zits on his chest

Lmao. Also

>wanting to live on this wretched planet for longer than you have to

[Anonymous No.9821017]

>>9820999
>Eat meat
>Increase cancer risk over a 30-year period

>Go vegan
>Starve

I think you need to reevaluate what you consider HEALTHY.

[Anonymous No.9821020]

>>9821004
nytimes isn't a source
there are zero arguments against veganism
keep your face in the dirt if you like

[Anonymous No.9821022]

>>9821017
>thinking vegan only eat lettuce
>being retarded
pick two

[Anonymous No.9821023]

>Spurging out and posting an avalanche of junk science
Yeah, this shit really seems like a cult.
Like, a really stupid cult.

[Anonymous No.9821031]

>>9821023
>junk science
Can't handle the facts anon?
You came to a vegan to claim that countless studies by Ph.Ds and researchers on nih.gov claim junk science?
Have you passed highschool yet?

[Anonymous No.9821038]

why can't vegans post vegan food that looks good instead of focusing on ethics that nonvegans don't give a fuck about? Oh right, it's because their food sucks.

[Anonymous No.9821042]

>>9821001
Most noodles are vegan, obviously just not egg noodles.

[Anonymous No.9821043]

>>9821038

[Anonymous No.9821044]

>>9821042

[Anonymous No.9821046]

>>9821031
Why doesn't my doctor tell me to go vegan then?

[Anonymous No.9821049]

>>9821031
Its not junk science because its untrue, its junk science because the sheer volume of articles has convinced you that meat gives you cancer, when in reality, the increased risk is minor.

In medicine, you use what's called "Best practice", meaning the thing least likely to kill somebody.
SO, you can either have a small increase in cancer risk, or a guarantee of malnutrition.

Protip: The fact that veganism kills babies is telling.
It means that your lifestyle only functions by calling up your body's nutrient reserves.
Babies don't have that, so they just die.

[Anonymous No.9821050]

>>9821046
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3662288/
Because your doctor wants to keep you coming to him. That, or his knowledge is from decades ago.
Plant-based diets are healthier by a long-shot.

[Anonymous No.9821056]

>>9821050
oh, so the highly educated doctors that say the thing you agree with are right, but my highly educated doctor who says the thing you disagree with is a quack. Got it.

[Anonymous No.9821057]

>>9821049
Veganism is fit for all stages of life.
Prove me wrong.
inb4 you post an article about a baby dying because vegan
inb4 you can't

[Anonymous No.9821058]

>>9821057
>Prove me wrong
>Except that proof you already showed me, which doesn't count
Lol, this faggot.

This is why there aren't vegan generals. You people are retarded snowflakes.

[Anonymous No.9821059]

>>9821056
Oh, I didn't realize that 14 of the 15 leading causes of death in the US are caused by veganism.
Oh wait, right, it's caused by meat and dairy.
The 15th being accidental death.

[Anonymous No.9821060]

>>9821057
babies are pretty much all vegan though. Vegans generally allow breastmilk since it isn't taken by force.

[Anonymous No.9821061]

>>9821058
There's been vegan general on /fit/ for years. But you wouldn't know that, would you? kek

http://www.organicauthority.com/vegan-diet-appropriate-for-all-stages-of-the-life-cycle-says-largest-group-of-nutritionists/

[Anonymous No.9821062]

>>9821014
>Vegans have higher testosterone
Vegans have higher testosterone because their diet increases sex hormone-binding globulin*

>SHBG was significantly higher in the vegans than in the meat-eaters, leading to a corresponding increase in T in order to main-tain constant levels of FT

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_hormone-binding_globulin#Conditions_associated_with_high_or_low_levels
>At puberty the SHBG level halves in girls and goes down to a quarter in boys.

So basically a vegan diet raises something that's normally higher in girls and the body has to create more testosterone just to offset this. HMM

[Anonymous No.9821063]

>>9821059
I guess I should listen to you, and not my doctor then.

[Anonymous No.9821070]

>>9821063
Ask your doctor if a plant-based diet is healthier then. See what he says. I doubt you've asked.
As for having a practice, I would never alienate someone by forcing them to change their diet unless they were specifically unhealthy.

[Anonymous No.9821071]

>>9821070
>plant-based diet
But that's not the same as your vegan religion, is it?

[Anonymous No.9821073]

>>9821049
>meat gives you cancer, when in reality, the increased risk is minor.
It was a change from 5% to 5.9% chance of colon cancer if you ate 50g of processed meat every day. They just said that unprocessed meat also probably increases the risk, but they weren't positive. It's possible that the curing process is what increases the risk.

Most people eat too much meat (and sugar) and not enough fruit/veg/whole grains, but that doesn't mean meat is bad all the time in any amount.

I wonder what's going to happen to the vegan movement when cultured/lab-grown meat is available in stores. It's such a fascinating thing. I think if they just shun it, they're going to slowly become more irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.9821074]

>>9821071
So you're in the omnivore religion?

[Anonymous No.9821075]

>>9818558
As a whole food vegan, I don't even eat soy once a month because stores don't stock dry soybeans. Asians here prefer to just buy their tofu for $0.95 I guess.

So I usually put chickpeas and yellow peas in my automatic unfiltered soymilk maker instead of paying too much for Bob's Red Mill beans.

[Anonymous No.9821077]

>>9821070
"Plant-based diet" =/= full vegan. Most Americans would benefit from reducing their meat intake. Doctors will tell you that. But they won't generally tell you to absolutely avoid all animal products for your health, because there's no science to back that up.

[Anonymous No.9821078]

>>9818558
Okay OP, riddle me this. I'm recovering from Lyme disease and require about three times as much protein as normal thanks to all that collagen-eating the disease likes to do. Seitan is out of the question and soy does weird shit to me, and there is plenty of evidence out there which suggests I should be eating a paleo diet, not grains and legumes. Also it causes me intense physical pain to avoid animal products, especially if I avoid meat. That being said, I do not enjoy eating animal products and I would very much like to be a vegan. If you have some kind of insight that would actually help, I'll dump you good cat pictures.

[Anonymous No.9821079]

>>9821059
>drink an extra 1000 calories worth of sugar with soda
>get fat
>get sick
>meat and dairy did this

[Anonymous No.9821080]

>>9821073
>t. didn't read the study
"This increase is significant but modest (20-30%)"

[Anonymous No.9821082]

>>9821080
https://www.cancer.org/latest-news/world-health-organization-says-processed-meat-causes-cancer.html

>Overall, the lifetime risk of someone developing colon cancer is 5%. To put the numbers into perspective, the increased risk from eating the amount of processed meat in the study would raise average lifetime risk to almost 6%.

[Anonymous No.9821083]

>>9820985
Let me guess, it's that poorly done Austrian study?

*clicks link*

Nope, it's that plain starved baby again.

[Anonymous No.9821086]

>>9821079
Stick your head in the dirt as much as you like. Science isn't random correlation. Read the studies and come back, rather than >ur wrong and ur studies r wrong

[Anonymous No.9821089]

>>9821082
This site doesn't link a reference for that statistic.

[Anonymous No.9821092]

Is semen vegan?

[Anonymous No.9821093]

>>9821043
that looks good. Needs more squash to be filling though

[Anonymous No.9821095]

>>9821092
Yes, unless you obtain it by coercion ;-)

[Anonymous No.9821105]

I get that a vegan diet is better for you, but what's the point in living that long if you can't enjoy decent food?

[Anonymous No.9821116]

vegans are static even on 4chan as the most pretentious, condescending, inane cult-esque of faggots

and absolutely nobody is surprised in the slightest

[Anonymous No.9821129]

I'm manly for eating meat but also stop hurting my feelings when you criticize my meat-eating.

[Anonymous No.9821134]

>>9821105
Firstly, basing your entire life off of taste will lead to a sad existence.
Secondly, learning to cook with vegan food will give you a better experience with food in my opinion. Vegan foods have just as much taste, if not more, than nonvegan food. Meat really doesn't taste very good without spices, cooking techniques, and additives.

[Anonymous No.9821136]

>>9821134
>Vegan foods have just as much taste, if not more, than nonvegan food.

>remove dozens of ingredients
>somehow you now have more flavors
ok

[Anonymous No.9821138]

>>9821136
Try eating meat without vegan foods.
K.
Meat tastes like stale garbage without spices, flavoring, and cooking.

Oh nooo, I can't use cow puss and dead bodies to make my food. How will it ever taste better...

[Anonymous No.9821146]

>>9821138
>Meat tastes like stale garbage without spices, flavoring, and cooking.
Not really, I've had some fresh high quality beef that smelled appetizing enough to make me want to eat it raw. Almost smelled sweet.

It's not like if you roll a whole cabbage in front of someone, that it'll look incredibly appetizing and taste amazing. But if you chop it up and steam it, add some salt and vinegar, it's pretty nice.

We weren't talking about taste preferences anyway, just that an omnivore can eat all vegan ingredients but a vegan can't eat all omnivore ingredients, so you literally cannot say that vegan food has more flavor since you're removing a lot of possible ingredients.

[Anonymous No.9821150]

>>9821146
Most omnivores will literally cry if their food doesn't have carcass in it. I would say 90% of my omnivore friends won't touch a vegan dish. They won't even try soy milk or vegan cheese without crying like a bitch.

[Anonymous No.9821161]

>>9821150
I eat meat but I don't really like when the vegetable side dishes all have bacon in them. I agree that it's a little silly that people think vegetables without meat is inedible. I've wanted to try some vegan cheese that is made from nuts. Not as a replacement but it sounds like it might be good as its own thing.

[Anonymous No.9821307]

>>9820956
Animals aren't people lol

[Anonymous No.9821474]

>>9821078
hey man im not OP but i am a vegan and i dont mind talking about this. Generally you won't need more like 40g of protein a day if you are recovering from a normal disease (due to mostly staying in bed/resting = less muscle usage = less protein needed. ) however as you stated you have Lyme disease, so a daily intake of 150g of protein would be best for you, spread out within 3/5 meals as to not put constant strain on your liver. Oats for breakfast, along with almonds for essential fats would be good, and whatever else you wanted in there berries/banana etc. i would also recommend coconut water based smoothies as to keep you vitalised from the sweating of toxins your body should currently be undertaking. For lunch and/or dinner having peanut butter based dishes would be pretty good for you as the fat and protein is really good from those sources, so a peanut curry with nuts in it, spinach etc whatever you want because its a curry, and protein bars for lunch if you REALLY need to hit the 3x rdi you say you do, but i dont know anything about lymes disease so i cant comment on it, i just know guys with standard exercise patterns, without muscle training/exertion, need around 40-60g of protein a day to maintain muscle mass. go vegan woohoo!!!

[Anonymous No.9821561]

>>9818558
I turned vegan a little while back, I still consume small amounts of animal products here and there but my diet is primarily vegan. Only do it for health reasons, don't give a fuck about the animals.

I think vegans are fags.

[Anonymous No.9821565]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGDf7VGuUhQ
are cauliflower wings actually any good, because i can only imagine them being dry and crumbly

[Anonymous No.9821580]

>>9821565
That's sort of a lazy version of Gobi Manchurian. I make wings with broccoli which is better and cheaper, and substitute peanut butter for oil.

[Anonymous No.9821585]

>tfw vegetarian
>want to go vegan but love muenster cheese too much

[Anonymous No.9821634]

My favorite vegan dish is foie gras

[Anonymous No.9821643]

>>9821561
You need to go to confession thread,not here

[Anonymous No.9821715]

>>9821561
>I turned vegan
Why? You can have a minimally-animal-based diet and not call yourself a vegan. I'm pretty much a habitual vegetarian and eat meat once or twice a week tops, but I don't really care for "vegetarian cuisine." Hell, if you're doing it for health reasons and not ideological reasons you have even less reason. No need to restrict your diet unless you have to do it for specifc medical reasons.
>>9821585
Just eat what you like, dude. Your diet's not going to change the world.

[Anonymous No.9821742]

>>9821565
>cauliflower wings
it's just battered cauliflower with buffalo sauce man
why would you name something after a cut of meat if it's just battered vegetables

[Anonymous No.9821780]

>>9821715
its pretty nihilist and copout if you just go "oh well me changing can't achieve anything"

>>9821585
i felt the exact same when going vegan that i'd have to give up canembert and aged cheddar, but really there are vegan substitutes for most if you really want the cheese

[Anonymous No.9821854]

>>9821780
It's not a copout if it's true. Demand does not affect supply in our society. If you don't buy it somebody else probably will, and it's cheaper to trick people into doing so than finding something new to produce. Dietary changes have no impact on the greater market. If you sincerely believe that, lying on your deathbed, you'll be glad for having chosen this lifestyle, more power to you, but if knowing that changing their diet won't change anything else dissuades someone from removing a part of their diet they like then there's no reason for them to do that. Unless of course they find some other reason to quit eating it. Life is too short to deal in absolutes. Do what makes you happy.

[Anonymous No.9821949]

My partner decided he wanted to change his diet to lose weight, I'm supporting him by tagging along.
We decided to eliminate meat and milk from our diet, and we're reducing our intake of aged cheese, farm eggs, ghee, and bread. I've also been reducing my intake of processed sugar. Been eating more seeds, grains, and starches, which have really been helping me to feel full for more than two hours.

I like to cook enough grains and yams on the weekend to last me through the week, japanese yams are my favorite. I also enjoy buying a bunch of different colored veggies, chopping them all up, and having them ready to toss into the steamer when I'm hungry. I give kale a head start, I steam it for 10 min before adding the rest of my veggies. Been eating a lot of purple cabbage, cauliflower, broccoli, and squash.
I typically toss my veggies with 1/4 cup of cooked quinoa, couscous, or rice. I top it off with a little bit of aged cheese, a drizzle of tahini, and a sprinkle of pumpkin seeds for crunch.

For dinner, I've been making a salad with sprouts, bitter greens, and red leaf or butter lettuce. I like to add thinly sliced radishes and asian cucumber, diced heirloom tomato and avocado, shredded carrot and beet, tossed with tahini. Nuts, seeds, cheese, and croutons are optional for some crunchies, but it's also good without.

I used to drink a lot of coffee with cream, I switched over to drinking tea. I typically drink oolong in the morning and peppermint after meals. Agave sweetener is optional.
I typically feel gassy in the afternoon after eating veggies for lunch, but peppermint tea seems to help with that.

[Anonymous No.9821957]

I've discovered that if you make fried onion soymilk bechamel (basically unblended soubise) and substitute flour for tapioca starch, seasoning with stuff like lactic acid powder, fresh lemon juice, minced garlic, white pepper, miso paste, salt, and seasonings, you can make a very stretchy/gooey cheese sauce type thing for when you want to get back to your midwestern roots and have a solid mass of cheesy pasta

Pic related

[Anonymous No.9821965]

>>9821957

Another thing I've discovered - the wonders of Okara! Pic related, biproduct from some fresh soy-milk I made the other day

[Anonymous No.9821969]

>>9821965

I took the okara and added in cabbage, onion, celery, and carrot, pic related.

[Anonymous No.9821976]

>>9821969

Then I added in some ground wakame seaweed, dijon mustard, old bay seasoning, miso paste, white pepper, and a whipped cooked potato with some oats as a binder, and made these crab cake type things in the oven

[Anonymous No.9821980]

>>9821976

Made a giant one, worked p good in a sandwich

[Anonymous No.9821984]

>>9821980

Still, I think fried/steamed glazed tempeh works better for sandwiches

[Anonymous No.9821993]

>>9821984

Seitan still reigns supreme, though

[Anonymous No.9821996]

>>9821993

Pic after cooking

[Anonymous No.9821998]

>>9821996

Pic in sandwich with homemade soy yogurt tzatziki

[Anonymous No.9822007]

>>9821949
bro just get your butt buddy to run more and eat less
losing weight is just about maintaining a caloric deficit
it's good that you're eating healthier but it's a lot easier on a fattie to just eat smaller portions or cut out a meal than make a drastic change in his diet
trust me i was fat once and it's miserable to realize the food you stopped eating was stuff you're gonna miss in the long run
if you really think you won't miss meat and dairy then good on ya but remember being satisfied with your food is an important aspect of mental wellbeing

[Anonymous No.9822008]

>>9818558

Kindly move this to /boring politically correct faggots/.

[Anonymous No.9822016]

>>9821998

Also used a different (thicker) batch of tzatziki for gyros

[Anonymous No.9822018]

>>9822016

[Anonymous No.9822020]

>>9822018

Those are soy curls btw

And for something completely different, this was an earlier dinner. Roasted rudabaga and parsnip potato chowder, with seared marinaded kind oyster mushroom scallops and pasta with a thin garlic butter bean sauce

[Anonymous No.9822026]

>>9821984

Frozen/thawed/pressed/basted/baked tofu is also a nice sandwich filler

[Anonymous No.9822031]

>>9822016
is that a hair under the dark green thingy on the right side around 4-o-clock

[Anonymous No.9822032]

>>9822020
How do you prepare your rutebaga? I tried baking one and it just wouldn't soften up.

[Anonymous No.9822034]

>>9822026

Different one, with big chunks of homemade pickles

[Anonymous No.9822048]

>>9822031

Probably, how else would I get my protein?

Dark green things are fried leek btw

>>9822032

I sliced the rudabaga, parsnip, and part of a sweet potato, and layered them in a covered glass dish with olive oil, white wine, and salt, then baked at 350 until very well cooked/soft and kinda brown on the bottom (about an hour?), removed lid and stirred, and let it continue cooking at 350 until the white wine evaporated and everything was thoroughly caramelized. Then I added that to a pot with fresh vegetable stock and some cooked white potato and blended it smooth with an immersion blender, before adding the strained vegetables from the stock and more potato and cooking that + seasoning to taste.

[Anonymous No.9822058]

>>9822048

Oh, I also added a second batch of roasted rudabaga/parsnip, which I didn't blend.

[Anonymous No.9822305]

What’s so wrong with eating meat? It’s already dead when you buy it

[Anonymous No.9822354]

>>9822305

Nothing wrong with necrophilia either

[Anonymous No.9822404]

Reminder to ignore meatcucks and dairyfairies.
Have any of you tried smoking with tea leaves before? Came across this recipe and it sounds quite nice.

[Anonymous No.9822425]

>>9822007
My bf used to be 350 lbs, I helped him get down to 290. I used to be 250 lbs, I'm down to 175 lbs now.
Our parents didn't teach us how to eat healthy, so we're slowly trying to teach ourselves and see what works and makes us feel good. We're mostly giving up processed meats, cheeses, and sugars, and I honestly don't miss eating hot dogs, wonder bread, kraft singles, or ketchup. My goal isn't to be vegan or skinny, we're just changing our habits, controlling our portions, and increasing our physical activity. We understand it's all about numbers in vs numbers out. We'd rather give up french fries than go running, honestly.

[Anonymous No.9822428]

>>9818558
>general

[Anonymous No.9822536]

>>9822428
There's several generals on this board tho. Just think of it as a containment general.

[Anonymous No.9822789]

>>9818558
>Must be some of you on here
>Literally only .05% of the population
Lol

[Anonymous No.9822812]

>>9822425
>All about numbers in numbers out.
To get to a nice looking number on the scale, yes. To get a nice looking body you have to workout, lift weights, and do cardio

[Anonymous No.9822821]

>>9822404
Tea smoking? That sounds really nice. I’ll have to try it with fish sometime.

[Anonymous No.9822868]

>>9822789
6% in the US as of this year.
Plant-based diets are going to be the biggest food trend of 2018, so it will probably double.

[Anonymous No.9822928]

>>9821854
>Demand does not affect supply in our society.
are you a retard? or just larping as a retard?

[Anonymous No.9823066]

>>9821077
>>9821071
A whole foods plant-based diet is a vegan diet, but the WFPB-diet emphasizes on unprocessed and whole grain foods, while a vegan diet can contain anything as long as it didn't come from an animal. It's what doctors would like to recommend, but meatcucks sadly can't handle the truth and won't follow it because muh bacon and muh omnivore and other shit they are too stuck up with.

[Anonymous No.9823072]

>>9822868
It's skyrocketing all over Europe too.

[Anonymous No.9823164]

Thoughts on eating meat..

It’s clear to me that every single species on the planet is important, and none more so than any other. There just isn’t a hierarchy of
importance - although that is exactly what religious people, vegetarians, etc. would have us believe. They seem to base their beliefs on some sort of scale of ‘intelligence’ or ‘feelings’ (or fluffiness), but guess who invented the scale? – people did!
Anyone who spends time in nature – I’ve been a bee-keeper and a gardener all my life – will see that this is nonsense. All the species are dependent on each other in an infinitely complicated web. The gut bacteria of a worm is just as interesting and important as a honeybee or a rabbit.
And EVERY species has feelings and intelligence. These are necessary requirements for life. They are needed for self-awareness and surroundings-awareness – both vital for anything trying to survive, whatever size (or fluffiness) it is. Just because humans haven’t figured out how to measure these in a frog or an oak or an earwig or a lettuce yet doesn’t mean it isn’t there. It just means humans are still only learning about their environment and haven’t got very far yet.

[Anonymous No.9823170]

>>9823164
Of course no pig wants to die before it’s even fully grown – but no carrot does either. Just look at a carrot (or a pea-plant or an onion, or whatever) as it struggles through the soil towards the light. Just because it happens more slowly than a pig or a hen moves doesn’t mean it’s not as important. It just means we’re too fixed to our own speed-perception to notice that there are plenty of others out there. It’s plain to see though, in all those plants, exactly the same magnificent, epic, awesome lust for life that we
all feel.
Every plant will fight to the death for light, smothering its neighbour if necessary. They negotiate endlessly with mycellia for
nutrients, put all their energies and resources into producing the next generation, stand up to gales and hailstones until they fall, and then do everything they can to get back up and do it all again.
Do you suppose a pea wants to be dropped alive into boiling water? Or a carrot wants to be ripped from the ground, half its roots torn off? No, of course not. Just because you can’t hear its pain and fear doesn’t mean for a moment that it doesn’t feel them. That would be like saying a mute child doesn’t mind being kicked. A carrot wants to grow tall and then flower magnificently in the sun – and will do everything in its power to do just that. But you kill them and eat them anyway.
We all kill and eat things that wanted to live. Every day. We kill them as babies or youngsters because they taste best then. The only difference I see in what you do and what we do is that you seem to assume some sort of moral high-ground because of your miss-placed hierarchical view of the world. Some sort of superiority which I think is not warranted and smacks of self-righteousness. Who says it’s ‘better’ to eat cabbage and beans over pigs and hens? – some humans, that’s who. But who asked the cabbage and beans? No one!

[Anonymous No.9823176]

>>9823170
Now, of course I would never include most modern farming methods in my ‘everything is equal’ stance. Factory farming of hens, pigs, cows is unconscionable, outrageous and abhorent. That is why we raise our own animals. We do our best to give them as good a life as possible. It’s really not difficult.
They are needed here too, for maximum biodiversity - and the humour, companionship and intelligence they add to our lives.

Our climate doesn’t easily grow many species of human-edible plant species because it is too wet and cold, but sheep (for instance) thrive here on the grass that does grow here.

Our lives and the environment here would be seriously depleted if we only raised plant species. It would be unnatural and unhealthy. You just need to watch the magpies riding on the pigs’ backs, or the rooks
picking through the horse dung to appreciate the richness that having animals brings to this place. I am extremely lucky to be a part of that biodiversity – and one day I’ll be eaten too. And that’s fine by me

[Anonymous No.9823181]

Can one do keto if vegan?

[Anonymous No.9823204]

>>9823181

Yes, but it's fairly restrictive. I did it for a while. Actually, if you want to do keto but are skeptical of saturated fat, you pretty much have to do it vegan anyway.

Basically, a lot of tofu/tempeh/seitan and veggie stir-fry, cauliflower rice bowls, shirataki noodles, portobello mushroom pizzas, that sort of thing.

That being said, vegan keto got me to my lowest weight / best lean mass ratio of my life, but eventually I caved when I discovered my GF made awesome bread

[Anonymous No.9823216]

starlight go fuck yourself

[Anonymous No.9823226]

>>9823176
Factory farming is the only reason I've decided to go vegan. I'd love to raise my own livestock or even find a vendor with humanely raised meat.

[Anonymous No.9823244]

[Anonymous No.9823270]

>>9823226
>or even find a vendor with humanely raised meat.
What's stopping you from doing that right now? It's not hard at all to get non-factory-farmed meat (as well as dairy products), especially with pocket computers and mail-order.

[Anonymous No.9823277]

>>9818558
Kill yourself you worthless herbivore...

[Anonymous No.9823444]

>>9820068

[Anonymous No.9823455]

>>9820946

[Anonymous No.9823483]

>>9823066
>A whole foods plant-based diet is a vegan diet

No, you can have animal products. It’s plant-BASED, not plant-only.

>it’s what doctors would like to recommend

And they do recommend it. They get ignored by most omnivores, who don’t care enough about their health to eat an appropriate amount of plants; and ignored by all vegans, who don’t care enough about their health to eat an appropriate amount of meat.

[Anonymous No.9823502]

>>9820068
Probably malnutrition and/or a sedentary lifestyle.

[Anonymous No.9823558]

>>9823444
This is pretty interesting. I want to know his steroid cycling schedule.

[Anonymous No.9823588]

>vegfags get btfo every time
>they try to make a point by posting roided up nu-vegans

[Anonymous No.9823591]

>>9823244
Aaand every single one of those cucks eat meat,not soy. Checkmate.

[Anonymous No.9823608]

>>9823483
There is no appropriate amount of meat to include in your diet. Literally no reason. A whole foods plant based vegan diet is de facto best diet.

[Anonymous No.9823616]

>>9823591
LMAO if they didn't those values would be negative

[Anonymous No.9823781]

>>9822016
What did you use to sub for yogurt in the tzatziki? Looks dank

[Anonymous No.9823807]

>>9823781
Soy, oat or coconut yoghurt i bet. Most likely unsweetened soy yoghurt. To be honest, it tastes quite like natural yoghurt.

[Anonymous No.9823815]

>>9823616
Meat and dairy has mammalian estrogen, you daft cuck

[Anonymous No.9823836]

>>9823608
B and K vitamins and omega-3 fatty acids.

>but muh kelp

Not bioavailable. Literally every study that claims vegans are meeting their needs for brain-function-critical micronutrients has turned out to actually been describing lacto-ovo and pescetarian diets.

[Anonymous No.9823927]

>>9821043
That looks amazing.

[Anonymous No.9823944]

>>9823836
>B Vitamins
You're joking right? The only thing is B12 which is fortified in countless foods, you can get supplements as well which are effective.

>K vitamins
Green leafy vegetables, again what are you talking about?

>omega 3
Seeds

You're a retard

[Anonymous No.9824566]

>>9822425
oh yeah that's all fine and well but a caloric deficit purely from eating less isn't going to do you much god
the focus should be to increase activity over eating less though so that not only are you more fit and able to better manage weight when you reach your desired weight but you don't start gaining it back when you start eating more normal again
and trust me you're going to want to start eating normal again
probably not to the same extent as before but enough to make you gain weight if you have no muscles and can't run too fast
in all honestly we don't even need three meals a day; once you're at a desired weight your intake should be proportional to the amount of exercise you get
basically if you get and stay real healthy you can probably eat as much as you used to and not gain weight
it's good you got this far though; means you're willing to stick with it

[Anonymous No.9825122]

>>9823176
Like i dont want to cramp on your opinion, but the main point of being vegan differs between people, not just because animals have feelings. I grew up hunting and fishing with my family, and ate meat multiple times a day until i stopped overnight with all animal products purely because i found out how bad it was for the environment. I already know how cruel it is to take anything elses life, it's really just down to if you're willing to go "Okay, this isn't sustainable, and i dont want to pass this planet down to the next generations in a state worst than the baby boomers did to us."

[Anonymous No.9825162]

>>9821957
Looks like you cooked with Clag

[Anonymous No.9825165]

>>9823944
Eat a couple of eggs or something, dude. Your reading skills are failing you.

>NOT BIOAVAILABLE

[Anonymous No.9825179]

I know you guys are screaming at each other about your T levels and who has the biggest hypothetical dick but I'm generally curious about some vegan recipes.

Do they tend to be as easy as your more typical meat littered diets? I get the impression that vegan meals not only take more time but cost more money.

Of course I understand if you're just going to make a sandwich with some vegetables on it that'll take as long as a sandwich with meat would take to create but I'm more curious about your favorite sort of vegan meals.

How long did it take for you to deal with your cravings for meat and how did your body feel the first few weeks of your change in diet?

[Anonymous No.9825215]

>>9825179
I don't live in the city so i can't talk for the city completely, and i'm also in Australia so that might also differ my situation from others, but i'll try to answer your questions regardless

>Do they tend to be as easy as your more meat littered diets?
Cooking has always been a hobby for me, so i don't feel like its become worse or anything; my breakfasts are no longer eggs and bacon, my dinners are now usually with rice or noodles, purely because i want to fit the carbs in, and my lunches have alot of freedom in what i can make. Typically it is a little bit harder i guess, purely because you have to read ingredients and avoid shit etc but its still pretty easy. My meals normally contain some kind of nut and another source of protein, such as tofu which is cheap as chips over here, and the vegetables are all accessible from supermarkets which even then are pretty cheap, so i think i'm paying less, but you would be paying more if you were stuck up on buying mock meats and ordering particular vegan alternatives of normally omnivore foods, cheese, cream etc.

>Favourite Meals
My favourite meals are green curry pies from a Cafe in Gosford, but my best meal to make at home is just a stirfry because i can use whatever ingredients and sauces i like and i know it is pretty healthy.

>Meat Cravings
I honestly just ate falafel kebabs and curry for the first couple weeks, but i didnt really crave meat at all. I missed a couple meals like Beef Stroganoff or Chicken Kiev or Klopse but if i did have a big craving i would just buy a mock meat and use that instead. Also burritos are really good as a replacement for meat diets as the rice + beans is fucking wicked good

[Anonymous No.9825227]

>>9823608
>tfw this guy is trying to kill people

[Anonymous No.9825234]

>>9825227
>this fella gon eat BACON!!!!

[Anonymous No.9825402]

>>9825227
Vegans on average live longer, healthier lives and suffer less from chronic diseases and cancer than meatcucks.

[Anonymous No.9825470]

>>9825402
Is that why all their children die of malnourishment?

[Anonymous No.9825759]

>>9825470
>imagine being this retarded

[Anonymous No.9826328]

>>9825165
Methylcobalamin is not bioactive? Then how the hell my b12 levels are good like the animals you eat which are supplemented with b12?

I mean, why are you talking out of your ass? Are you so insecure of your meatcuck diet, that you have to make up stuff like that?

[Anonymous No.9826358]

>>9823781

I cultured soy yogurt from WestSoy soy milk (because the ingredients are just "water, soybeans") in an instantpot over 24 hours, then poured the yogurt into a coffee-filter-lined steaming tray (the kind that fits into a pot and has a lid) and let that drain over another 24 hours. At the end I hit it with an immersion blender (to make it have an even consistency). It was pretty much indistinguishable from store-bought greek yogurt other than being a little tangier.

[Anonymous No.9826429]

>meatcucks get every thread on the board
>a single vegan thread is made
>HaHA look how TRIGGERED vegans are when i post on their thread le troll face!!11

[Anonymous No.9826437]

>>9823244
>>9823616

1. They are all meatcucks.
2. Read the science.
>inb4 'lol soyboys':
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19524224
>'The results of this meta-analysis suggest that neither soy foods nor isoflavone supplements alter measures of bioavailable T concentrations in men.'
>http://www.fertstert.org/article/S0015-0282(10)00368-7/abstract
>'The intervention data indicate that isoflavones do not exert feminizing effects on men at intake levels equal to and even considerably higher than are typical for Asian males.'
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19496976
>'The present data on men and children indicate that estrogens in milk were absorbed, and gonadotropin secretion was suppressed, followed by a decrease in testosterone secretion. Sexual maturation of prepubertal children could be affected by the ordinary intake of cow milk.'
3. Stop considering "lol u r a nu male i am bik tuff boi becus i drink milk from mommy cow"

[Anonymous No.9826485]

>>9825179
>Do they tend to be as easy as your more typical meat littered diets?
Probably one of the best things about it encourages you learn to actually cook rather than just putting your frozen tendies in the oven (all though you can get vegan nuggets). Once you learn off by heart a few of your favourite recipes, it becomes very easy and actually quite fun if you're into cooking. Also, it's a really common misconception that veganism is somehow expensive. The cheapest foods are all vegan - pasta, rice, veggies, beans, whatever. Veggie meat substitutes are often cheaper than actual meat - I don't know if you're in the UK, but you can buy boxes of burgers and sausages for under £1 from H&B. On top of that, if you're into cooking, the fundamentals are ridiculously cheap and can be used over and over again - flour etc etc. There are some pricey vegan meats, but there is also pricey flesh. As for the taking more time bit, nah. There are plenty of vegan frozen foods you can just chuck in the oven. If you want to be more elaborate, of course it will take time, but that's the same for meatcucks.

>favorite sort of vegan meals.
Pizza (dough is incredibly cheap and easy to make and tastes better than frozen shit), Tofu Katsu Curry, etc

>How long did it take for you to deal with your cravings for meat and how did your body feel the first few weeks of your change in diet?
For me, it only really took a week or so of avoiding meat for the idea of eating it to repulse me. I gotta be honest, I'm not one of those 'I felt the effects right away!' kind of people. It just felt like eating normally. However, when I was a meatcuck, I was pretty underweight. I've been V for about 2 years now and I'm a healthy weight and the best shape of my life.

On a side note, if anyone is curious in any of these recipes, I can post them here. They're from a vegan food magazine in the UK.

[Anonymous No.9826494]

>>9825470
>The percentage of children with obesity in the United States has more than tripled since the 1970s.1 Today, about one in five school-aged children (ages 6–19) has obesity.2
>one baby dies in heavily publicized news story because the parents didn't know what they were doing
>"v-veganism is a poor diet"

[Anonymous No.9826502]

What do you guys think about vegetarians? Also your opinions on lab-grown meat?

[Anonymous No.9826520]

>>9821086
Meat doesnt kill people, americans being fat fucks who overeat meat kills them. Full stop. If you think this is wrong you are a retard

[Anonymous No.9826590]

>>9826520
>World Health Organization Says Processed Meat Causes Cancer
> it has classified red meat as a probable carcinogen, something that probably causes cancer.
> Saturated fat has even been linked to breast cancer, as well as Alzheimer’s disease, dementia, and cognitive decline.
>The U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) reports that 70 percent of food poisoning is caused by contaminated animal flesh.
>According to a Consumer Reports study, 97 percent of raw chicken in U.S. supermarkets is contaminated with bacteria that could make customers sick.
>Vancomycin, a drug that is known as a “last defense” in fighting the deadly blood infections and pneumonia caused by staphylococcus bacteria, is becoming obsolete because resistant strains have developed in farmed animals who are given the medicine as a growth stimulant.
>According to a study of over 70,000 people published in the journal JAMA Internal Medicine, vegetarians were 12 percent less likely to have died during a six-year followup period than their meat-eating peers. Vegetarian men live to an average of 83.3 years, compared with non-vegetarian men, who live to an average of 73.8 years.

Stop talking shit.

[Anonymous No.9826598]

>>9826494
Two wrongs don't make a right. They are both terrible diets because they ignore moderation

[Anonymous No.9826599]

>>9826502
>vegetarians
Depends on what kind they are. I don't mind the ones who don't know anything about veganism and are willing and open to change (as I was), but I have no time for vegetarians who know about veganism and know why they should be vegan, but just can't be bothered. That is not an animal-friendly or moral lifestyle.
>lab-grown meat
I fully understand that it doesn't cause anything near the suffering of farming and slaughter, and I respect it in that regard, but it's just not for me. It's still flesh and I couldn't eat it.

[Anonymous No.9826603]

>>9826590
That is like saying veganism is bad because french fries cooked in oil are carcinogenic.

All foods can be prepared in unhealthy ways.

[Anonymous No.9826607]

>>9826598
But they're not both terrible, only one is. All the research and science has conclusively shown that veganism is a far healthier diet than eating meat. This is not a debate.

[Anonymous No.9826609]

>>9826603
Is this a serious post?

[Anonymous No.9826614]

>>9826607
>this is not a debate

That virtue signaling can legitamently get you far jn life but not here. Veganism requires massive amounts of resources that only has occurred in the last 50 years as globalization has expanded diet choices. It is no more natural then mass produced meat and is an example of the lucky few showing their wealth.

The rest of the world eats what is accessible.

[Anonymous No.9826688]

>>9826614
>That virtue signaling can legitamently get you far jn life but not here
How is saying that the research has come to a solid conclusion 'virtue signalling'? Go back to /pol/, your intelligence is more suited there.
>Veganism requires massive amounts of resources
-Animal agriculture is responsible for 18 percent of greenhouse gas emissions
-Agriculture is responsible for 80-90% of US water consumption
-2,500 gallons of water are needed to produce 1 pound of beef
-Livestock or livestock feed occupies 1/3 of the earth’s ice-free land
-We are currently growing enough plant food to feed 10 billion people.
-Worldwide, at least 50% of grain is fed to livestock.
-Land required to feed 1 person for 1 year:
Vegan: 1/6th acre
Meat Eater: 18x as much as a vegan
-1.5 acres can produce 37,000 pounds of plant-based food.
1.5 acres can produce 375 pounds of beef.
-A person who follows a vegan diet produces the equivalent of 50% less carbon dioxide, uses 1/11th oil, 1/13th water, and 1/18th land compared to a meat-lover for their food.
-Each day, a person who eats a vegan diet saves 1,100 gallons of water, 45 pounds of grain, 30 sq ft of forested land, 20 lbs CO2 equivalent, and one animal’s life.
>g-globalisation
-82% of starving children live in countries where food is fed to animals, and the animals are eaten by western countries.

Now fuck off back to /pol/.

[Anonymous No.9826706]

>>9826485
>>9825215

Appreciate the responses, as I'm very unfamiliar when it comes to the typical vegan lifestyle and meals. The closet thing I have is a brother who won't eat red meat but at the same time he's not really a fan of vegetables so I haven't seen many dishes on the vegan side of things.
I have made dishes that are mostly vegetarian before with lo mein and whatever leftover vegetables I have in the fridge being my favorite sort of meal.
But I do want to lower the amount of meat I eat in a week and leave it as more of a treat or something special that I can enjoy on a weekly to bi-weekly basis in hopes of curbing some of my more unhealthy eat habits. So getting some insight on a more vegen/vegetarian lifestyle is very useful to me.

[Anonymous No.9826816]

Milk Tits or Soy Tits which one grows u the best rack?

[Anonymous No.9826856]

>>9826816
full on kfc diet
and I dont actually think im memeing all that much with this.

[Anonymous No.9826940]

>>9826816
Easily milk. If you want big male jugs, the best thing to do is consume food with the hormonal profile of a pregnant female mammal.

[Anonymous No.9826977]

>>9818558

[Anonymous No.9827637]

>>9820956
>they're babies
>but still eating it few times a year
Poster confirmed babies
>the product claims using plant products
What the fuck that does even mean. I eat spinach not imitation spinach. What the fuck you're implying?

[Anonymous No.9827647]

>>9821013
You can't, you won't and you don't see any because their heads obviously too deep inside their ass trying to spew out links as much as possible

[Anonymous No.9827652]

>>9821043
Is that tofu? Because that won't taste good.

[Anonymous No.9827663]

>live vegan for longevity reeeee
Most oldest people aren't even vegan.
This is useless virtue shit

[Anonymous No.9827706]

>>9825402
Lmao even cancer cells die from malnutrition

[Anonymous No.9827714]

>>9826429
>le troll face
Get back to r*ddit or wherever you hailed from, cancer

[Anonymous No.9827782]

>>9818558
only reason from stopping me from becoming vegan is simply theres no high protein, low carb, non soy source

only reason I have fish, seafood and poultry
otherwise my diet is pretty much vegan

[Anonymous No.9827855]

>>9827782
>simply theres no high protein, low carb, non soy source

Seitan. 100 grams of vital wheat gluten (cooking it with soy sauce makes complete protein): 75g protein, 1.9g fat, 13 net carbs

[Anonymous No.9827874]

>>9827855
doesnt seem that healthy to eat daily
plus, wouldnt you get the lacking amino acids from other sources later in the day anyways

[Anonymous No.9827887]

>>9818558
>Can this be a thing now?
maybe...if you keep it in these threads and stop shitposting other threads because
>superior veganism
i'd gladly say welcome. but you can't do that, can you!?

[Anonymous No.9827897]

>>9827874
>doesnt seem that healthy to eat daily

Why not? I got my DNA tested and I actually have multiple mutations that make coeliac more likely, but I'm fine eating giant amounts of gluten every day.

[Anonymous No.9828097]

Id rather have some self respect than become a vegan weakling. Veganism is a mental illness. The same autism mentality that brings on cringy activity and sjw fedora feminists, its kinda like "oh if i become a vegan and announce it everywhere i go some girl will see me as a caring sensitive boy who llhas a lot of love to offer" when in reality its a virgin mental manipulation technique. Thats why almost all vegans are virgins or havent had a gf in years. I feel like they just accept that they are betas who cant become men so they dive into the manipulation. I like how they all say its about the animals but its really just to try and create some image of themself. I get these kind if manlets in my office all the time and enjoy milking all their money from them. 14 years of practiced psychotherapies here.

[Anonymous No.9828146]

>>9818558

[Anonymous No.9828173]

>>9828097
>Thats why almost all vegans are virgins or havent had a gf in years.

There are vastly more vegan women than men, dating as a vegan man is easymode.

[Anonymous No.9828188]

>>9828146

Vegans want to ban halal slaughter tho

[Anonymous No.9828222]

>>9825179
>time and money
My household has actually spent a lot less money since going vegan. Part of this is less eating out, but fruits and veggies are cheap as fuck. Only real pricey thing is imitation meat/cheese, which we get sparingly. Time-wise, it might be a little longer, but has actually reinvigorated my love of cooking. Using ingredients that are new to me, not having to wash my hands every minute with raw meat, etc.

>cravings for meat
We actually didn't go vegan because of ethical reasons or anything, and we have one cheat meal per month. But otherwise, it took a week or so before we didn't even care about meat or cheese for the most part. But there are things you miss, like the grease from a burger, or a nice reuban, or my personal vice, Taco Bell's nacho """"cheese"""

>how my body felt
After about a week, I physically started feeling so much better (which is why I'm staying 99% vegan.) Better sleep, my skin mostly cleared up, lost some excess weight, having energy for the first time in my remembered life, most of my aches and pains vanished. It is honestly amazing to me.

Obviously, I'm not a "true" vegan since I have occasional cheat meals and it's really a plant-based diet, but whatever.

[Anonymous No.9828231]

>>9828173
>"There are vastly more vegan women than men, dating as a vegan man is easymode."
>Connecting with someone because you share a meme diet
Sounds more and more like a cult the more I hear.

[Anonymous No.9828247]

>>9821061
Why do you lie, vegan generals popped up this year on fit and people found you unbearable since you all were dishonest dyels with strongest guy being proud of a 200kg deadlift.

[Anonymous No.9828280]

>>9826688
Grain is a finisher. Land that is given to animals is land not suitable for growing most things. Your sheltered city boy is showing.

[Anonymous No.9828316]

>>9828231
Probably because youre a fat dumb faggot getting triggered over nothing

[Anonymous No.9828486]

>>9828173
My point exactly thank you for proving my point. Its mainly feminine and guys join the cult in a desprate attempt to get a girl.

[Anonymous No.9828604]

>>9818558
I wish I was a vegetarian but I crave meat. Am trying to find ways to motivate myself to become vegetarian. Would eat eggs and cheese though. I just hate eating things that had eyes.

[Anonymous No.9828688]

>>9820956
>I'm vegan but I'm better than other vegans
Kek, so many vegans are like this.

[Anonymous No.9828698]

>>9828604
mmm estou com fome
uma delica

[Anonymous No.9828816]

>>9821043
Needs some nice chicken strips

[Anonymous No.9829811]

>>9818558
>>9818558

meatfags btfo

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-11/taxes-on-meat-seen-joining-carbon-sugar-to-help-limit-emissions

[Anonymous No.9829860]

>>9828097
go to bed grandpa

[Anonymous No.9829948]

>>9828146
I don't understand this post. Having my actions align with my beliefs makes me a libcuck now?

[Anonymous No.9829955]

>>9826603
In order to make meat consumable for humans, you are almost always going to have to chemically cure (the cause of it being carcinogenic) it because contaminated meat is lethal.

[Anonymous No.9829965]

>>9829955
>I have no idea what I'm talking about the post
Honestly do you feel good wallowing in ignorance when Google is a few clicks away?

[Anonymous No.9829980]

>>9829811
>>9829811
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/animals-and-us/201412/84-vegetarians-and-vegans-return-meat-why
Lmaooooooooooooo

[Anonymous No.9829991]

>>9818558
>How do you deal with having to sit around people eating meat?
what's there to deal with, pretty sure everyone can eat whatever the fuck they want.

[Anonymous No.9829993]

>>9829965
>Nitrates and nitrites don't cause cancer

if you want to trust random fuckwad fitness blogs over peer-reviewed science then have at it.

[Anonymous No.9830228]

>>9829993
>meat can't be fresh consumed
Honestly again stop it. You have no clue what science is either so just stop that as well.

[Anonymous No.9830376]

I'm not particularly interested in the shitposting wars about carcinogens going on in here since death would be a mercy.

However, this is still /ck/. I have a step brother and sister who are vegan and I'd like some ideas on what kinds of preserves or treats I can make them as presents for Christmas that won't cost an arm and a leg. They need to be reasonably fresh for at least a couple weeks too. I've already done fudge and marshmallows though the latter were a pain in the ass to make, and I'm considering making boiled sweets. Anyone have any worthwhile recipes along those lines?

[Anonymous No.9830803]

>>9828604
UMA DELICIA

[Anonymous No.9830809]

>>9830376
Toffee

[Anonymous No.9830948]

>>9828280
This. Not all acres are created equal

[Anonymous No.9831350]

>>9830376
Food wishes has a recipe for hot chocolate that is pretty good. Good to give as a gift. Keeps for a long time too.

[Anonymous No.9831388]

>>9830376

Mochi

You can also make chocolate mousse pretty easily, just blend silken tofu with cocoa powder, melted chocolate, sugar, vanilla, etc, and put in a pie crust. You can whip up coconut milk into a whip cream type topping for it.

If you want to get fancy, you can also whip the liquid from a can of chickpeas like eggwhites to make a meringue, which can then be used as a basis for a frozen chocolate mousse or you can add cream of tartar and confectioner sugar to make baked meringue cookies.

[Anonymous No.9833440]

I wrote my first recipe r8 plz

"meaty" weeknight vegan pasta sauce

1 8oz can tomato paste
1 onion medium any chopped
1 or 2 carrots chopped into small pieces
3 or 4 cloves garlic minced
1/2 tablespoon nice olive oil, I use basil infused
2 teaspoon italian seasoning herb blend
1/2 teaspoon dry basil sub some fresh basil leaves
1/4 teaspoon dry oregano
1/8-1/4 teaspoon red pepper flake (more if you want more heat)
1/2 tablespoon coconut sugar or real maple syrup
1 bay leaf
salt and pepper to taste
3 cups water + 1 veggie cube (they sell them cheaper than broth at local grocer, sub 3 cups veggie broth)
1/4 cup coarse bulgur wheat
1/2 cup cooked green or brown lentils (optional)

cook lentils in a pot 1/4 or 1/2 cup or use about 1/2 cup cooked lentils if already prepared

while lentils are cooking:
in a large pot medium heat saute onion and carrot with dash of salt and fresh pepper until onion is translucent about 4 minutes

add garlic and saute until it smells good, about 10-30 seconds

add 3 cups water, coconut sugar, veggie bouillon cube, tomato paste, italian seasoning, oregano, red pepper flake, bay leaf, basil, another dash of fresh ground pepper, bulgur wheat

bring to simmer, uncovered on low for 15 minutes then cover for another 15 minutes, taste and add salt if desired

stir in cooked lentils cover and keep warm, serve over spaghetti or another pasta of choice and some bread bonus: serve with a panko encrusted eggplant

stores in fridge 4 or 5 days or freeze it n sheeit makes a good weeknight pasta sauce and kids will eat this shit

[Anonymous No.9833458]

>>9833440
>eating food that hasnt been prepared that same day
ewww

[Anonymous No.9833475]

>>9833458
o fug

[Anonymous No.9833565]

>>9833440
not bad! a good lentil "bolognese" is a beautiful thing.

i recently made some great tomato and rice soup using heirloom tomatoes i got this summer. a few months ago i blanched, peeled, de-seeded, and crushed a bunch of tomatoes and then stuck 'em in the freezer. i thawed them the other day and then:

>sautéed 1 finely chopped onion in olive oil
>added a few cloves of minced garlic and 2 tbsp tomato paste, sautéed for another 2 minutes
>1 quart of the thawed tomatoes
>2 cups veggie broth
>herbs (fresh thyme, sage, bay leaf, and marjoram) and spices (s+p, smoked paprika, red chili flakes)
>about 3/4 cup uncooked brown rice

let it simmer, stirring occasionally, until the rice was cooked. i stirred in about 1/4 cup nutritional yeast at the end.

it was delicious with fresh baked bread.

[Anonymous No.9833578]

>>9818558
lol soyboys

[Anonymous No.9833929]

>>9821062
Kind of wish someone would've tried to refute this. I know it's not specific to vegans to misinterpret studies for their own goals but to follow a specific diet for moral reasons and then act immorally about it is sad.