/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.9784934]

Why aren't you a vegan yet? Do you hate yourself, and your environment? Eating meat is one of the worst things we can do as humans, to our bodies; its almost as bad as smoking. You can get all the nutrients you need from plant-based food, and you don't have to harm animals to get it!

[Anonymous No.9784968]

[Anonymous No.9784971]

>>9784934

How do you know someone is vegan? Don't worry, they'll rudely tell you because they feel inferior due to lack of protein.

[Anonymous No.9785022]

>>9784934
Vegans are worse than vidya game fanboys. They pick a single food type to eat, and then brag about that food type while shitting on the rest. Well I'm not a fanboy faggot. I can afford to eat both vegetables and meat, and enjoy the platform exlusives both have to offer.

[Anonymous No.9785034]

Beyond getting old at this point.

[Anonymous No.9785043]

The same reason I litter and never recycle. I’m selfish and I don’t care. Fuck the environment and fuck farm animals.

[Anonymous No.9785063]

>>9784934
100 calories of beef has about 11 grams of protein. 100 calories of broccoli has about 8 grams. So that image is just wrong in with the numbers. But 100 calories/11 grams of protein from beef is from 1.5 oz of it, while you need 10 ounces of broccoli to get the 100 calories/8 grams. So you have to eat almost 10 times the amount of broccoli to get the same amount of protein.

[Anonymous No.9785076]

>>9784934
Here's your (You) ya cocksucka

[Anonymous No.9785085]

>>9785063
>MUH PROTEIN

Never gonna make it

[Anonymous No.9785098]

Future generations will probably all live more like vegetarians. Livestock takes way too much space that could be used for growing veggies.

[Anonymous No.9785101]

>>9785085
Nobody is going to eat 10oz of broccoli. That's an entire meal of misery

[Anonymous No.9785105]

>>9785085
I was just refuting the bad math and misleading information. Please refrain from greentexting made-up arguments in a way that makes it easy for you to look like you've won. This is a common problem on 4chan and it's just low quality posting.

[Anonymous No.9785111]

>>9785098
Future generations will probably be eating lab-grown meat because it's cleaner and more efficient. Animal products still provide some benefits and there are multiple problems with completely cutting them out of your diet.

[Anonymous No.9785125]

>>9784934
Honestly. Most people can't cook either beef or broccoli good enough.

[Anonymous No.9785131]

>>9785063
Honestly, they're much better off shilling for soy, which is packed with protein. Only an idiot would claim broccoli was a good source of protein compared to meat.

[Anonymous No.9785153]

>>9785131
>Only an idiot would claim broccoli was a good source of protein compared to meat.
That's why they twisted the information to do it by 100 calories instead of 100 grams or a unit of weight instead. That's assuming this isn't just an image made entirely for trolling.

[Anonymous No.9785166]

>>9785063
how to redpill vegans 101

[Anonymous No.9785178]

>>9785105
>Shitposting on my /b/?
Its more likely than you think.

[Anonymous No.9785211]

>>9785111
Maybe as meat replacement. But I don't think growing meat in a lab will ever be cheaper than growing some crops.

[Anonymous No.9785301]

>>9784934
Protein isn't just protein. There are many variants of proteins. The kind of protein you find in broccoli is nowhere near as beneficial for muscle growth as the kind of protein found in meats are. And on top of that, you would have to eat a metric fuckton of broccoli to even compete with the amounts of beef has. Eating anything in such an abundance is not healthy.

[Anonymous No.9785340]

>>9784934
>Want to eat 25g of protein (100g of beef)
>Have to eat 893g of broccoli or about 30362kcal of worth of broccoli
that's a lotta broccoli.

[Anonymous No.9785351]

>>9784934
Because meat tastes good, and it's easily available, and the last 10,000 years worth of ancestors set me up so I wouldn't have to be.

[Anonymous No.9785365]

>>9785101
I eat 10 ounces of broccoli all the time. I didn't even know it was 10oz.

[Anonymous No.9785367]

>>9784934
I am considering following in the footsteps of my idol, Adolf Hitler, and adopting a vegetarian lifestyle. This would be purely for health reasons, seeing as I have bowel issues.

[Anonymous No.9785372]

>>9784934
>per calories
And that's with broccoli's calories coming mostly from fibers, that we don't digest.

[Anonymous No.9785375]

animals cant think so they're the same as plants, fuck the environment, it's just delish

[Anonymous No.9785435]

>>9784934
"protein"
Humans don't need "protein", we need specific amino acids that only animals produce.
Bait master

[Anonymous No.9785442]

>>9785435
>we need specific amino acids that only animals produce.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_amino_acid#Essentiality_in_humans

Which of these are only found in meat, Dr. Bromedicine?

[Anonymous No.9785451]

>>9785442
I guess TECHNICALLY you could get all your proteins from greens.
But have fun eating literal pounds of greens when you could eat 250 g of meat.

[Anonymous No.9785476]

>>9785451
Yeah, or grains and pulses like people have been doing for tens of thousands of years

[Anonymous No.9785492]

>>9785476
People were horribly undernourished in the past retard.
Why do you think our average height has increased so much since the mid 1800's?

[Anonymous No.9785498]

>>9785492
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haber_process

Do I have to google everything for you?

[Anonymous No.9785499]

I know it's a troll thread and OP isn't actually vegan or even vegetarian but I'm curious what cut of beef they used for their source. Any clues?
Cuz I have a strong suspicion they're pulling numbers out of their arseholes.
See, 43 calories of raw flank is 6g of protein, so 100 calories would have 14 g of protein (100 cal of cooked is 14.5g of protein, so not much of a difference).
Source: nutritiondata.com
Cooked flank: nutritiondata.self.com/facts/beef-products/7382/2
Raw flank: nutritiondata.self.com/facts/beef-products/7396/2

Also, 100cal of raw broccoli is 9.7g of protein and 100cal of cooked is 7.14. Neither are 11.1g of protein, as claimed.
Furthermore, 11.1 g of protein from raw broccoli is 335g of the stuff (444g of cooked broccoli) while 100g of cooked flank is 52g of beef.

I call shenanigans.

[Anonymous No.9785513]

>>9785451
>TECHNICALLY

Beans and rice provides a complete protein. is way, way cheaper than meat, and you get other vitamins and shit with it.

Meat is actually super expensive for what it provides.

[Anonymous No.9785526]

>>9785498
Wow, thanks to the magic of industry we can overcome the shittyness of grains through raw volume.
Doesn't change the fact that people in the past were undernourished and would kill to have the availability of food we have today.

[Anonymous No.9785529]

>>9785499
Vegetarian here.

The real issue is that they don't point out that beef would be a complete protein, whereas broccoli wouldn't be.

[Anonymous No.9785531]

>>9785513
Rice and beans aren't greens.
Obviously rice and beans work since latin americans subsist on rice and beans.

[Anonymous No.9785532]

>>9785513
>Meat is actually super expensive for what it provides.
Not if you're just considering protein and not buying the most expensive cuts. I can regularly find chicken legs for less than $1/lb and they give 3x as much protein as the same amount of cooked lentils.

[Anonymous No.9785533]

>>9785513
>Meat is actually super expensive for what it provides.
Even more so when you consider how much free money the government showers on either the meat industry directly or crops whose primary use is for animal feed

[Anonymous No.9785535]

>>9784934
Because I don’t want to limit the pool of food I can enjoy. If you’re vegan, I don’t give a shit. I’m just gonna enjoy my burger with extra cheese while you enjoy your vegan shit.

Now shut the fuck and and take your (You).

[Anonymous No.9785540]

>>9785532
Those are the subsidized costs. They also don't take into account the insane amount of R&D we're going to need to spend when we run out of effective antibiotics

[Anonymous No.9785548]

>>9785499
>while 100g of cooked flank is 52g of beef.
What the fuck was I thinking when I typed that, shit. It should read:
>while 11.1g of protein from cooked flank is 80g of beef
Sorry for the confusion.

[Anonymous No.9785549]

>>9785526
>would kill to have the availability of food we have today.

Of course, we have an absurd excess of all food, to the point that grocery stores throw out a shitload of expired food on the daily. They don't donate it to any people in need because then they could be sued.

The world changes, some things get better, and some worse.

[Anonymous No.9785559]

>>9785526
>people used to be malnourished, why are they nourished now?
>here is why
>wow people in the past would kill for what we have now
...ok? I guess I should buy a gun just in case a 17th century farmer teleports through the fabric of time to kill me for the sausages I've got on the stove?

[Anonymous No.9785564]

>>9785529
For cultural reasons, I'm what many have come to call a 'Flexitarian' by which I mean I don't eat a lot of animal-sourced food altogether.
The real issue is that the infographic is just outright false in all regards.

[Anonymous No.9785566]

>>9785540
True, and lab-grown meat will probably help a lot with the overuse of antibiotics. But, we really can't just put everyone on a vegan diet. It's not what we're meant to eat, and it's not when we're healthiest. Yes, most people don't eat enough whole grains and vegetables, and they eat too much meat and sugar, but animal products still provide health benefits and we should have them in our diet, just in the right amounts.

[Anonymous No.9785571]

i dont eat meat for nutritional reasons, its because i like the way it tastes, they ways you can cook it differently

[Anonymous No.9785576]

>>9785531
Not greens, no.

My bad, I thought you meant vegetables.

As far as I know, you cannot get all your protein from greens, as they all lack some amino acids.

But it's possible with vegetables, very easily.

[Anonymous No.9785577]

>>9785559
>grains make people healthy!
>no they don't, history proves you wrong
>uhhhh no now we can produce grains on an unheard of scale therefore grains make you healthy
I guess I shouldn't expect logic in a bait thread.

[Anonymous No.9785589]

>>9785566
>But, we really can't just put everyone on a vegan diet
I'm not advocating veganism, just responding to abject ignorance
>>9785566
>It's not what we're meant to eat
"Meant to eat" is superstitious bro science, by using sloppy language you're promoting the creationism/intelligent design crowd. It's perfectly possible to live a healthy diet that is free of animal protein, the issue is that it's a lot easier to do this with a *balanced* diet that contains some animal products. Most people screeching about how the only options are raw kale or a heap of pink slime with every meal are obviously not eating a balanced diet, nor would they recognize one if you smacked them over the head with it

[Anonymous No.9785590]

>>9784934
>with none of the violence
In that case nobody should ever raise chickens, because those little bastards are dumb as fuck and get themselves killed all the time.

I raise bantam chickens (mostly for eggs, I discovered too late that they're absolute fucking garbage for meat production after a few butcherings) and I have to take special precautions to make sure they don't accidentally get themselves killed from foxes, hawks and my dogs. In fact, the only humane way any of them have died so far is from me butchering them: I hang them upside-down for a minute so that all the blood rushes to their head, then I cut their heads off with a sharp knife. They don't feel much (if any) pain due to being dazed from the head rush, and the whole process is over in a matter of seconds.

I hate this fucking vegan bullshit of "you're torturing your animals if you eat them!", like people who raise animals for meat torture them for the fuck of it.

[Anonymous No.9785592]

>>9785532
If you consider the protein and cheap cuts, meat is still super expensive.

Compare the price to create 100g of protein from rice and beans, and 100g of protein from meat.

[Anonymous No.9785616]

>>9785577
Grains make people unhealthy? What is this shit, are you going to start posting "wheat is murder" memes now?

The reason people were squat and lived short lives in ye olde times was because their overall diet was restricted for reasons above and beyond just land productivity. You couldn't get fresh fruits and vegetables in January in Scotland back then. They didn't understand disease or hygiene very well. There was no indoor plumbing. There were no food banks, or electric refrigerators, or food safety laws.

Even my grandpa, who was born close to 100 years ago, died in his 50s from complications from an early childhood illness that's basically unheard of now.

Vegetable matter is not why people back then had shitty lives, Dr. Broscience.

[Anonymous No.9785621]

>>9785590
I think it's overblown too, you see that a lot today, unfortunately, with SJWs and whatnot. Outrage culture, etc.

The core argument isn't all that disagreeable though: if it's possible to live for the same cost (money/effort) without violence, and potentially be healthier, isn't that better?

We can argue about incomplete nutrition facts until we've exhausted what science can CURRENTLY explain (of course in the future we'll have more information, but we won't know if we have the full picture ever), but when it takes less work, money, and space to grow plants, in addition to reducing any kind of violence, is that so bad?

[Anonymous No.9785635]

>>9785616
Well, to be fair, grains DID make people unhealthy.

I'm talking fucking ages ago though, when humans FIRST started eating grains. Grains contain lectin, something that people hadn't really encountered up until that point. About half of the living population was deathly allergic to lectins.

Everyone alive now is a descendant of someone that wasn't allergic, so it's not really relevant now, but grains were very unhealthy for some people.

[Anonymous No.9785646]

>>9785592
I think 100g of protein from lentils would be about $1.25, and 100g of protein from chicken legs would be about $2.50. So it's double the price, but the chicken also has about double the calories so I can eat less to feel full.

[Anonymous No.9785647]

>>9785635
>grains were very unhealthy for some people.
Sure, and so was milk for the lactose intolerant. And so was alcohol for those who lack alcohol dehydrogenase. And so were nightshades when nightshades hadn't been so carefully bred into harmlessness. And so was fucking meat, when it was bear livers. And yet.

Do you see now why it's bad to run around saying stuff like "humans were meant to eat ________"?

[Anonymous No.9785650]

>>9784934
>and you don't have to harm animals to get it!

Yes you do. Shitloads of small animals die annually during the harvest of your precious vegetables.

[Anonymous No.9785659]

>>9785650
A lot of vegans will say "but less animals die from harvesting crops than how many die from slaughter". Their main goal is just to be better than people who eat meat which is a little sad. Vertical farming is pretty neat and would probably reduce the number of animals killed during harvest but I don't see many vegans promoting that.

[Anonymous No.9785662]

>>9785105
You are the best person to ever exist on this site. Thank you and God bless and may the Universe smile upon you.

[Anonymous No.9785678]

>>9785659
>but less animals die from harvesting crops than how many die from slaughte
But that isn't wrong. The farm animals have to eat something, and almost everything they eat comes from feed crops.
>>9785659
>I don't see many vegans promoting that.
Something tells me most "vegans" you see "promoting" stuff are just shitposters on 4chan. But it doesn't surprise me, when I lived in the midwest veganism was an outrageous fringe lifestyle associated with angsty high school students who soon outgrow it. Here on the coast there are actually normal adults who eat a vegan or near-vegan diet. And here on the coast you see a lot more of these vertical farming operations, due to the cost of land, and the higher demand for fresh micro-greens and similar hippie stuff.

[Anonymous No.9785693]

>>9785590
>like people who raise animals for meat torture them for the fuck of it.

I used to work at a beef packing plant, and if anyone was ever caught abusing, hitting, or otherwise tormenting the cattle the the stock pens it was grounds for instant termination.

Bruising or upsetting the cows has a direct effect on profits, so there's no fucking around.

[Anonymous No.9785721]

>>9785646
Look at black beans, rather than lentils.

It's also not that simple, as you have to include rice; the only legume that is a complete protein on its own is the soybean.

Rice is high in calories, and has some protein as well. It's quite filling too, when beans are added.

[Anonymous No.9785742]

>>9785647
Sorry, I was a different person than the original guy that replied to you. I don't think it's sensible to say "humans were meant to eat X" in any case, as we have no direct evidence of anything. Just because we ate X first doesn't mean it's better than Y, for example. There is some evidence pointing to blood type being an indicator of what an individual's ideal diet is, but it's pseudoscience at this point.

>>9785659
I think rather than being better than people who eat meat, it might be less disingenuous to simply say "their main goal is to lessen the amount of violence against living things".

Though there are idiot militant vegans that don't adhere to that, I'm sure.

[Anonymous No.9785751]

>>9785721
This is the biggest challenge for people trying to cut back meat and still be reasonably healthy. With meat you're set for protein, you just need some random arbitrary vegetable and you're well on your way to a kinda sorta balanced diet. Without meat, you really need a varied diet because no single protein source provides all the necessary amino acids. If you try and pull that "memorize a single recipe and eat that every day for six months with hot sauce" strategy that 4chan loves, you're fucked.

But this is a board where apparently making a roux is advanced sorcery for professional cooks only, so something as complicated as a balanced diet is obviously out of the question.

[Anonymous No.9785775]

>>9785742
>it might be less disingenuous to simply say "their main goal is to lessen the amount of violence against living things".
I'm not really sure it's safe to make sweeping claims about "their" main goal. Some vegans are no doubt motivated by feelings of guilt over animals dying. But others do it because they believe (with some justification) that it's less harmful to the environment. Or they may have concerns about the effects on public health (the nontherapeutic antibiotic situation). Or even as an arbitrary personal challenge, like "I'm going to run a marathon next year".

It's anecdotal of course, but from my experience the animal ethics thing is rare for adult vegans. I saw that with some of my high school friends but I've never heard it from an adult. Usually it falls more in the realm of "personal improvement" in one of the aforementioned areas.

[Anonymous No.9785779]

>>9785751
>Without meat, you really need a varied diet because no single protein source provides all the necessary amino acids.

Anything soy based is a complete protein. Quinoa actually is as well, and can be used like rice. Mycoprotein (Quorn) can be used too, but that shit's expensive.

The cheapest, easiest complete protein is literally rice+beans. It gives the same collection of amino acids (at least the ones relevant for humans) as meat.

People seem to think it's some arcane formula that needs to be cracked, it's just braindead simple. If we taught this in school along with "meat good", it wouldn't be so strange to people.

[Anonymous No.9785785]

>>9785742
>Though there are idiot militant vegans that don't adhere to that, I'm sure.
Yeah, there are some who just stop eating animal products because they want to reduce any suffering, but there are also more than a few who will laugh at people getting diseases from ticks that cause pain and suffering just because another symptom of the disease is an allergy to red meat. I mostly agree with moral vegans on the issues, but disagree on the solutions.

[Anonymous No.9785792]

>>9785775
>I'm not really sure it's safe to make sweeping claims about "their" main goal.
Right, which is why I was calling the guy out on making a sweeping claim about their main goal.

I then made a suggestion that seems as though it might be less inflammatory, and that I hope is true, though the vocal vegans sure don't make it look true.

I'm also not a vegan, just for clarification.

[Anonymous No.9785797]

>>9785779
>If we taught this in school along with "meat good", it wouldn't be so strange to people.
Pretty sure that's the main thing.

I use some combination of rice + beans for about 60% of my protein. I do tend to add a little meat though because I like the taste, but I've gotten pretty good at systematically reducing the amounts. Some weeks I'll go without. Usually not though, because I like meat and I have a source I buy from where the ethics and environmental impact are about as good as a person living in a first world country can reasonably expect.

[Anonymous No.9785805]

Vitamin B12.

[Anonymous No.9785816]

>>9785792
I wasn't trying to make sweeping claims about all vegans, just talking about the ones whose only defense for arguments is that meat-eaters are worse.

>"there's a problem with the vegan diet"
>"well that problem is worse for an omnivorous diet"
That's what I have a problem with, instead of thinking about ways to fix the issue that persists even on a vegan diet, their only argument is that they're better than meat-eaters.

[Anonymous No.9785838]

>>9785805
You mean that vitamin that a lot of people can't actually metabolize through eating meat?

There are supplements for that.

[Anonymous No.9785841]

>>9785816
>instead of thinking about ways to fix the issue that persists even on a vegan diet
But that's a bullshit argument, unless you redefine the concept of harm to animals there is no way "fix the issue" so all you're doing is advocating nihilism.
> their only argument is that they're better than meat-eaters.
Also not a good argument, I pick the cans and bottles out of my trash, I know some people don't, I don't run around thinking I'm some kind of enlightened being for sorting my trash, but I think it would be better if more people did, even though it won't stop global warming or whatever it is you want to whatabout on.

[Anonymous No.9785859]

>>9785526
>undernourished and would kill to have the availability of food we have today
no, it'd kill them, like it is doing to us.
if you look when countries would have meat scarcity problems in the past and had to eat beans and grains they ended up being far less prone to heart disease longer life expectancy
Not having enough food is a problem but having too much of the wrong kinds of food is also a problem

[Anonymous No.9785870]

>>9785816
Maybe not trying, but
>Their main goal is just to be better than people who eat meat which is a little sad.

This is a generalization, and it's disingenuous. I definitely think some idiot vegans just want to join some elite club or whatever, but it's somewhat about perspective.

If being better than someone that eats meat is achieved by making oneself a better person in general, I would say it's disingenuous to claim they're only doing it to be better than someone that eats meat.

I don't eat meat because I don't like the taste, and I find I'm much more energetic when I eat a vegetarian diet.

I agree with what you greentexted, but both statements should be replaced with "there's a problem with everyone's diet".

[Anonymous No.9785874]

>>9784934
lol. vegans think they know good food. listen, all really good food requires animal products. go to France and eat some butter and Learn to enjoy your life a little bit.

[Anonymous No.9785882]

>>9785870
>"there's a problem with everyone's diet".
Yeah I'm fine with that statement because it's true. Instead of advocating for veganism or for small-scale animal farming (which still results in death and potential suffering) I'd just like to see a bigger focus on lab-grown meat and vertical farming. Both of those things seem more promising, though harder to implement and develop.

[Anonymous No.9786175]

>Eating meat is one of the worst things we can do as humans, to our bodies; its almost as bad as smoking.

That's the point anon, I just really want to die and if eating is one way, that's the way I'm choosing

[Anonymous No.9786340]

Guys, eating vegan makes you beautiful. Source:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2yV1Kgcmg4

[Anonymous No.9786394]

>>9785874
For some strange reason, the language in this post matches my image of a typical frenchie with a beret, smoking a cigarette at a table at a sidewalk cafe in paris.

[Anonymous No.9786405]

livestock deserve to be killed and eaten because they are the inferior creatures

[Anonymous No.9786414]

>>9786394
Only northern french put butter on everything, and most of them are really bretons not french.

Also paris banned smoking in public places, thank god.

[Anonymous No.9786532]

I eat meat for saturated fat, not for """protein""".

[Anonymous No.9786546]

Another plus is less cholesterol, saturated and trans fats. Meat has too many drawbacks.

>>9786532
>I eat meat for bad fat

Good job, retard.

[Anonymous No.9786591]

>>9786546
Saturated fat is good for you.

[Anonymous No.9786791]

>>9785566
>lab-grown meat will probably help a lot with the overuse of antibiotics
Lab-grown meat requires a shitload of antibiotics, and will continue to do so until we invent an artificial immune system for it.

[Anonymous No.9786800]

>>9784934
plants and animals have different proteins.

[Anonymous No.9786833]

>>9786532
The most saturated natural fats are tropical plant oils. Animal fat is only about 50% saturated.

[Anonymous No.9786840]

>>9786800
But they all get digested to amino acids, so amino acid balance is all that matters. Rice + beans gives you all the amino acids you need.

[Anonymous No.9786894]

>>9784934
>hair and fingernails are made of protein as well
>time to enjoy a delicious nutritious cruelty free meal of barbershop floor sweepings and Chinese nail salon offcuts

[Anonymous No.9786903]

>>9784968
>eating more meat and increasing your risk of cancer just to spite some random nobody on the internet
Boy you sure showed him!

[Anonymous No.9786906]

>>9784934
>whats a b12

Also animals taste better than plants.

[Anonymous No.9786926]

>>9785375
Yeah, i have a hard time thinking of cows as anything but giant walking veggies.
I mean, what do they have going on that they need to live for?

[Anonymous No.9786928]

>>9786340
>fully raw
I'm fine with regular veganism, but you'd have to kill me to eat only raw foods.

[Anonymous No.9786931]

>>9786833
And what makes you think that only vegans consume tropical plant oils? Palm oil is in practically every processed food known to man.

[Anonymous No.9786934]

>>9785476
>grains and pulses
???

[Anonymous No.9786939]

>>9785476
>humans havent been eating meat for tens and thous...

[Anonymous No.9786955]

>>9785838
If your diet requires supplements that's a good sign mother nature didn't intend your species to survive off of your diet, and people with mutations which would prevent them from surviving healthily in the absence of modern medicine don't refute this.

[Anonymous No.9786984]

>>9786955
>he thinks the meat from the grocery store has B12 from "mother nature"
>being this ignorant about how modern agriculture works

[Anonymous No.9786990]

>>9785211
Who tf cares about cost?

[Anonymous No.9787027]

vegans are fucking dumb, only do vegan if you are probably going to die of cancer
pescatarian is where its at, fish proteins and fats are fucking awesome and you dont feel like a ghost because there is substance in your gut
fuck eggs though (unless theyre your chickens i guess)
dairy is luxurious but yogurt is the shit (probiotics in general)
cut out your garbage processed sugars and bleached flours and "enriched" rices/pastas, anything frozen or canned, essentially the shit that leeches nutrients out of you.
if 50% of your diet is shit anything else you eat wont matter, duh
it doesnt matter what your diet is, if you eat cardboard and plastic, you will not be healthy
drink more water; hot drinks in general are good, ice water can shock your system and cramp your shit up
eat fibrous plants so your shits are nice and you dont get hemorrhoids

[Anonymous No.9787092]

>>9787027
Fish is not safe to eat. All the radiation from Fukushima as well as heavy metals makes consuming seafood more dangerous than playing Russian Roulette.

[Anonymous No.9787111]

>>9787092
do you know how fucking easy it is to farm fish
fucking americans

[Anonymous No.9787119]

>>9786984
This argument only proves that modern farming isn't "natural" anymore, not that veganism is just as good as an omnivorous diet.

[Anonymous No.9787130]

>>9787119
I think you have me confused with someone else, anon. I'm not vegan, I'm just aghast at your proud ignorance

[Anonymous No.9787176]

>>9787130
Well you definitely have me confused with someone else because I'm not the person you first responded to. I know your point is that even on an omnivorous diet you're indirectly consuming supplements because of modern agriculture and that's it, but most people try to use that to prove being a vegan isn't any worse than being an omnivore. I was just adding onto the discussion in that regard.

[Anonymous No.9787229]

>>9784934
>>9785063
Not according to Nutrition Data. It is closer to 6 grams of protein per 100 calories of broccoli which is like around 300 grams of broccoli. There's 91 grams in a single cup of chopped broccoli, fyi. You'd need to eat over 3 cups of broccoli to get 100 calories.

There's also over 14 grams of protein per 100 calories of beef (bottom sirloin.)

Also, someone switched the number in the OP.

[Anonymous No.9787412]

>>9784968
Edgy.

[Anonymous No.9788040]

I'm part of Peace Corps in shitty west African country (Liberia). A number of vegans in the program are forced to eat meat or risk eye damage because there's nowhere else to get vitamin a . Even us meat eaters have to occasionally eat termites during dry season if we want any protein. Lots of those fat skeleton babies in these parts.

You think they'd just grow something to eat but nope. Popular opinion is that if you don't look hungry the WFP UN trucks that come by won't give you free food. Thanks global food aid!

[Anonymous No.9788046]

wouldn't killing yourself have a better impact on the environment than living and eating plants?

[Anonymous No.9788083]

>>9784934
Protein myth go vegan eat fruit

[Anonymous No.9788134]

>>9784934
I'm trying to be a trap and the infograph I follow says to not get your protein from veggies.

Inb4 kys
Inb4 someone just says kys

[Anonymous No.9788532]

>>9786934
grains: whole wheat, oats, barley, etc.
pulses: beans, lentils, peanuts, etc.

[Anonymous No.9788535]

Being vegan is like having a stomach fedora.
We get it, you're vegan.

[Anonymous No.9788536]

>>9784934
>Do you hate yourself, and your environment?
Yes, now get the fuck off my back and leave me and my beloved meat alone.

[Anonymous No.9788578]

>>9788536
uum, phrasing

[Anonymous No.9788660]

>>9785340
your math on the calories is definitely a little off there buddy

[Anonymous No.9788664]

>>9784934
>Why aren't you a vegan yet? Do you hate yourself

No, I don't. That's why I'm not a vegan.

[Anonymous No.9788669]

>>9788040
>Popular opinion

You're talking about a country where popular opinion is you can cure aids by raping a virgin. I don't think it's the food aid or white guys that are the problem here.

[Anonymous No.9788695]

>>9784934
I am a human, therefore I have a choice. And I choose not to be a fucking limpy-wimpy soy boy.

Get fucked, vegan fags.

[Anonymous No.9788701]

>>9784934
Life is about living and killing. The strong kill the weak. Live with it, faggot. Keep your social justice to your faggy self.

[Anonymous No.9788717]

[Anonymous No.9788725]

>>9785513
>you must replace a diet of hundreds of meals by only using 2 ingredients forever at each meal to compensate!
insane.

[Anonymous No.9788734]

>>9785085
>protein where a good argument for OP but at the moment it's proven wrong it's a ridiculous argument
hmmm

[Anonymous No.9788738]

>>9788717
Yes. You'll note that OP's misinfo-graphic uses the ridiculous metric of grams of protein per. 100 kcal.

[Anonymous No.9789077]

>>9788532
you're thinking of legumes
pulses are only dried seeds of legumes (lentils, chickpeas)

[Anonymous No.9789116]

>>9784934
Go shit in a jar and eat it, you b12 deficient dickwad.

[Anonymous No.9789121]

>>9785859
Heart disease was rarely even on the radar until the 1900s. That came as a result of things like processed sugar.

[Anonymous No.9789141]

>>9789121
>wat is rheumatic fever
Were you home schooled by evangelicals?

[Anonymous No.9789177]

Why not just be like Tom Brady and eat 80% vegan. You get the benefits but don’t miss out on important nutrients

[Anonymous No.9789178]

>>9789177
Because vegetables are icky. For every animal you don't eat I'll eat three. Mommy mommy baby want tendies REEEEEEEE!

t. /ck/

[Anonymous No.9789262]

>>9784934
Why not both? Beef bro:oli is tasty af

[Anonymous No.9789272]

"Following extensive adjustment for potential confounding factors there was no significant difference in all-cause mortality for vegetarians versus non-vegetarians"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28040519
240 000 people in the study

[Anonymous No.9789351]

>>9784934
stunning how misleading that image is
>PER 100 CALORIES
>EAT 5 POUNDS OF BROCCOLI TO GET THE SAME AMOUNT OF PROTEIN AS ONE MOUTHFUL OF THAT JUICY, DELICIOUS STEAK!
f*ck off, it's not even the same kind of "protein"

[Anonymous No.9789565]

>>9788725
>you must replace a diet of hundreds of meals by only using 2 ingredients forever at each meal to compensate!
>insane.

??

I didn't say rice and beans is the only alternative, only that it's a very, very inexpensive one.

There are about as many complete sources of protein that don't involve animals as there are that do, and are commonly eaten.

[Anonymous No.9789643]

>>9788040
Man, I hope this is an exaggeration, cuz damn. That is beyond lazy.

[Anonymous No.9789654]

>>9785566
>we should eat a little bit of meat and a lot of veggies and fruits and grains and not go whole hog on either

NO
FUCK YOU
NO LOGIC. NO COMPROMISES. ONLY WAR

RRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.9789656]

>>9787092
Seriously?

[Anonymous No.9789658]

>>9784934
>Do you hate yourself, and your environment?

Yes, now fuck off.

[Anonymous No.9789664]

>>9785779
>Quinoa
oh boy the meme grain
discarded

[Anonymous No.9789679]

>>9786955
>mother nature

>as he drives his motorized scooter 5 miles to order a McChicken

[Anonymous No.9789785]

what are humans supposed to eat then, meat clogs our arteries with all of its cholesterol and saturated fat, while vegans and frail and weak because of lack of nutrition...vegetarians consume to much dairy and grow tits..what is the human food?

[Anonymous No.9789788]

>Yea goy, keep eating your man made non human food, these animals are just here on earth to be left alone and ignored. You don't need any of their essential nutrients goy! They'll give you cancer! Think of the planet!

Vegan mental illness at its best.

[Anonymous No.9789793]

>>9789788
>vegans only eat apples and carrots

Wow

[Anonymous No.9789962]

>>9786903
the cancer argument is a lie, vegans are so dumb

[Anonymous No.9790006]

[Anonymous No.9790012]

>>9789793
Find me some other shit you fags eat that can compete? Bonus points if not man made and natural; extra bonus points if local in the northern hemisphere climate.

[Anonymous No.9790024]

>>9784934
beef is way more calorie dense per mass than broccoli though

[Anonymous No.9790041]

>>9790006
Hahaha, top bait

All those vegetables/plants are dead! Even the ones that aren't, you will cook anyways and kill em. Not to mention they're full of pesticides and are genetically modified.

Fresh local raw meat is alive, full of enzymes and probiotics that serve for optimum nutrition absorption. The most beautiful thing to do is killing an animal, drinking its blood and eating its heart in the spot, and then eating the WHOLE animal. Now that's what you call LIFE, these beautiful natural animals living in us.

[Anonymous No.9790045]

I don't eat a lot of meat, but I can't imagine cutting it out entirely. That being said, the whole carnivore meme is stupid and worn out. Vegetables and fruits are amazing, even more so with a little bit of meat.

[Anonymous No.9790138]

>>9790006
I guess vegans can't take communion since after transubstantiation by the priest it's literally the body and blood of christ.

[Anonymous No.9790321]

Meat to the bone from the bone to the meat
I like good chicken and i like good beef
Eat so much pork you wouldn't believe
And i eat more bass than a shark from the reef

Meat to the bone from the t-bone steak
I ate a bad turkey last night with gravy
Let me tell you how I cooked it
Indian carnation and parsley

I've been to the eating contest mountain top
Heard vegans talk, seen 'em drop
If i ain't got a duck i'ma eat a stork
And when i season the bass i'm gonna cook livestock

Get your chicken in the oven with his two left wings
It's real easy just follow the recipe
Don't let those prime ribs pass you by
Look real close cause they got some spice

[Anonymous No.9790415]

>meat is bad for you!

So is deep-fried food, so 1) go fuck yourself and 2) give me a good eggless fry batter so I can make onion rings I can share with my non-histrionic vegan friends.

[Anonymous No.9790967]

Do you think Steve could still be so swole if he went vegan?

[Anonymous No.9791042]

>>9785779
>Soy based
an oxymoron if I ever heard one

[Anonymous No.9791061]

>>9786405
>the weak should fear the strong

[Anonymous No.9791106]

>>9785105
I mean, you're right and all, but if you take away that, there really wont't be much left to the site.

[Anonymous No.9791134]

>>9790012
>find me nutritious foods that aren't carrots and apples

You're fucking retarded

[Anonymous No.9791143]

Also, I do have an honest, non-loaded question for vegans who want everyone to stop eating meat. Say people do that. What should we do with all the animals that are currently alive for the purpose of consuming?

[Anonymous No.9791151]

>>9784968
For every animal you eat im going to eat 100 vegetables

[Anonymous No.9791285]

>>9791134
>that reddit spacing
Fucking soyboy, I can sense your low test and synthetic emotions from eating monsanto shit you fucking customer. I meant in comparison to meat and organs you brainlet.

[Anonymous No.9791368]

>>9791285
>reddit spacing
Ah yes, the non-argumental cry of 2015er fat faggot niggers from reddit

>soyboy
Point proven instantly

>i meant in comparison to organ meat
Who gives a shit what you meant? No one only eats apples and carrots you retarded fat nigger

[Anonymous No.9791428]

>>9784934
No one's eating steak for the protein sweetie

[Anonymous No.9791433]

>>9788040
The military didn't supply you with any carrots?

[Anonymous No.9791457]

>>9791143
I don't think everyone's ever going to stop eating meat. If it happened world wide, I'd assume it'd happen slowly and the herds would just thin over time. I don't really think we should stop eating meat, we should just eat less, and stop doing weird shit with it, like cutting down a forest to put cows there.

[Anonymous No.9791461]

>>9784934
>wanting to constantly eat shitty food all day

[Anonymous No.9792168]

>>9785616
>Grains make people unhealthy? What is this shit, are you going to start posting "wheat is murder" memes now?
Not him but the Agricultural Revolution had alot of adverse effects on human biology and overreliance on simple carbohydrates from grains has never been a healthy thing.

>>9785647
>Sure, and so was milk for the lactose intolerant.

Difference being that milk is healthy for anyone who is tolerant, while living largely on grain-based products has always been tied with poor nutrition.

Humans definitely aren't 'meant' to eat some products, but that doesn't mean that there aren't some foods that we know we can definitely have less of and be better off.

[Anonymous No.9792208]

>>9789141
Not even remotely the same thing

[Anonymous No.9792212]

>>9792168
anon, threads like these weren't meant for people who think like you. Don't waste your time. In fact, you should leave this site altogether. Hell, I need to leave this site altogether. its been 9 years, and the truest words I've ever heard from this place are "You're here forever".

[Anonymous No.9792254]

>>9785022
Uh, you know there are food groups other than vegetables and meat right?

[Anonymous No.9792273]

>>9785375
yeah show me a cow who can write a sonnet and maybe I'll put down my fork.

[Anonymous No.9792288]

>>9788717
you do realize that those are incomplete proteins, right?

[Anonymous No.9793433]

>>9792168
Whole grains are not simple carbohydrates though. They're perfectly fine to base your diet around, just don't buy cheap white bread and white flour.

[Anonymous No.9793466]

>>9784934
I'm not a vegan because I'm not retarded.

[Anonymous No.9794151]

But I *am* a vegan. I just get my vegetables in concentrated form, from cows and chickens and pigs.

[Anonymous No.9794980]

>>9784934
>posting a bald faced lie in the OP
> According to the USDA's Agricultural Research Service's Nutrient Data Laboratory database, 100 calories of broiled beef, top sirloin steak has exactly 11.08 grams of protein and 100 calories of chopped, raw broccoli has exactly 8.29

[Anonymous No.9795100]

>>9792288
No they aren't you massive retard. Literally nothing is an incomplete protein. You just don't understand ratios

[Anonymous No.9795107]

>>9792168
>durrrrrrrrrrr muh paleo
Stick to your containment board

Humans have been mashing and sprouting grains since the beginning of time. You're RETARDED

[Anonymous No.9795126]

>>9794980

Yeah someone switched the numbers

[Anonymous No.9795140]

>>9792288

This was debunked decades ago.

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-protein-combining-myth/

[Anonymous No.9795158]

>>9791151
Wow!

[Anonymous No.9796033]

Because vegans think they are so smart. Yet they have to eat only fruits and vegetables when all the most tasty foods have meat.

[Anonymous No.9796335]

>>9784934
I like eatin meat m8
'Nuff said

[Anonymous No.9796749]

>>9784934

A meal consists of meat + trimmings.
No meat, no meal.

[Anonymous No.9797680]

Vegans = cucks. /thread

[Anonymous No.9797707]

Whenever I go grocery shopping, I like to stock up like I'm prepping for y2k.

People always look at me weird but it's the only way I can shop due to my crippling social anxiety and PTSD (more groceries = fewer trips to the store)

Can anyone else relate to this?

[Anonymous No.9797966]

>>9786926
>what do they have going on that they need to live for
probably not much more than you ;^)

[Anonymous No.9799016]

>>9784968
Fuck me it's been a while since i've seen something from this cunt.

[Anonymous No.9799031]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1997115/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864
Start eating plant proteins.

[Anonymous No.9799034]

tfw vegetarian but allergic to banana, watermelon, and peanuts

[Anonymous No.9799352]

>>9791143
Your assuming that everyone drops meat, dairy and eggs overnight and cowpocalypse occurs. It would be a process where the industries would slowly die out.

[Anonymous No.9799355]

I'm Vegetarian and won't ditch dairy and eggs for anything in life

[Anonymous No.9800028]

>>9784934
>Beef:22 g of protein
>Broccoli:4.2 g of protein
It wasn't even close,anon.

[Anonymous No.9800367]

>>9800028
>per 100 calories

[Anonymous No.9800397]

>>9795140
>>9795100
>what are amino acids?

[Anonymous No.9800511]

>>9784934
100g of beef is 28g of protein
100g of broccoli is about 2.8g of protein

Get fucked, treeboi

[Anonymous No.9800646]

>>9791134
>> avoiding the question

[Anonymous No.9800666]

>>9800397
Something that ever plant food has a complete profile of.

[Anonymous No.9800693]

COWS HAVE FEELINGS TOO!!!!

[Anonymous No.9801023]

>>9791151
Don't anon you'll get digestion problems!

Simple be like all other vegans and smugly think how good of a person you are for not harming animals AS indirectly as meat eaters.

[Anonymous No.9801028]

4345096809

[Anonymous No.9801033]

>>9784934
>Can't win on a moral standpoint
>Start clamoring for health reasons
Really makes you think.

[Anonymous No.9801842]

>>9785529
>>9785721
>>9800397
>>9792288
Broccoli has all 9 essential amino acids
It's a complete protein
It might not have good ratios for utilizing all the amino acids when eaten on its own but it's not like it's completely missing something
But if you ate enough broccoli, you'd get enough protein, but you might get some other yet unknown problem of consuming nothing but broccoli
There are very few truly incomplete proteins
Gelatin is the only one I can think of
That said I'm pretty sure the protein/calorie ratio of OP is off but broccoli is pretty good on that
+ if anyone is thinking about going vegan please take b12 but look into how much since even though no one has technically overdosed some people report problems and supplements tend to have a massive amount
Pic is from cronometer, good site, check it out
I put in 4 cups of broccoli

[Anonymous No.9803572]

[Anonymous No.9803968]

I eat meat because it tastes good.

[Anonymous No.9803972]

>>9803968
>I eat meat because it tastes good.

[Anonymous No.9804000]

>>9785340
damn, broccoli has a lot of calories

[Anonymous No.9804012]

Vit b12, folic acid

[Anonymous No.9804017]

come on you murders it's just plain smart to eat 4 pounds of broccoli to get a meal's worth of calories

[Anonymous No.9804030]

>>9803972
It does, doesn't it?
Isn't that why vegetarians and vegans have so many ridiculous meat substitutes? If meat didn't taste good then you wouldn't see black bean burgers and tofu crumbles and all kinds of retarded crap like that at the supermarket.
Why the fuck would TOFURKY exist if nobody liked to eat turkey?

[Anonymous No.9804064]

>>9804030
>the only thing vegans can eat is boxed garbage from the frozen food aisle
t. neckbeard who thinks squiring sriracha over his hot pockets is "cooking"

[Anonymous No.9804075]

>>9804030
but anon, nobody does like to eat turkey. it only exists to serve a cultural purpose on thanksgiving day. unless you mean sliced boar's head brand deli "turkey" but that's 80% weird fillers, MSG, and artificial flavorings. if you took out the part that's actual turkey it would taste the same

tofurkey was probably invented so that vegetarians could have something gross to gnaw on with everyone else on t-day. I mean god forbid we eat a good tasting protein, that defeats the purpose

[Anonymous No.9804087]

>>9804064
Don't move the goalposts you fucking soyboy faggot, meat substitutes only exist because vegetarians and vegans crave meat, because it tastes good. You have Z E R O way to argue against that, so you either divert the topic or move the goalposts. No smug fucking Han Solo will save you.

>>9804075
I'm sorry your mother was shit at cooking. My turkey kicks ass.

[Anonymous No.9804091]

>>9804017
But I enjoy the murder so it's fine. It's okay to do things that are wrong if it feels good.

[Anonymous No.9804373]

let's face it lads

Veganism and vegetarianism is just too gay

[Anonymous No.9804405]

>>9788669
>I don't think it's the food aid or white guys that are the problem here.
they're perpetuating the problem by allowing the retards to fuck more

[Anonymous No.9804511]

ITT a bunch of soyboys

[Anonymous No.9804524]

>>9784934

[Anonymous No.9804582]

>>9784934
I told a vegan to eat shit recently and it got me thinking, could they even eat shit?

[Anonymous No.9804601]

>>9785533
There is just a slight problem in reality that doesn't confirm to your ridiculously sentimental sheltered idealistic world view and that is that you can't grow crops that humans can consume in the northern latitudes to begin with.

All of the corn above a certain degree is not fit for human consumption.

Furthermore there is the matter of land usage, cattle itself does not take much land to sustain it, the feed it requires yes but then you can't use that northern land for anything realistically fit for human consumption to begin with, furthermore pigs eat almost anything, you can give them waste parts of crops which you would otherwise discard or burn.

[Anonymous No.9804618]

>>9795100
holy shit. you're dumb.

[Anonymous No.9804637]

>>9795140
don't you know he's a scam artist?

https://www.humanewatch.org/hsus_doc_exposed_as_schlock/

[Anonymous No.9804700]

>>9804601
You know... Corn and soy are usually produced in southern climates... So you need to transport it anyway... And wheat and vegetables which northern climates produce are fine for humans consumption... And that pigs eat almost any fresh leftovers from human food production, doesn't mean the pig that are raised on the factory-farms do. It's not effective. It's not how the world works right now. You defend the non-certain possibility of an idea which is still stupid as fuck. Animals cannot be more resourceful then plants only because they need a ton of plants for 5 kilos of meat to gain. It's just dumb. What you trying to argue is dumb.

[Anonymous No.9804710]

>>9804700
You are utterly disconnected from reality, arguing with idealistic religious fanatic is pointless, grow up, smell the roses, your idealistic phantasms will waver and you will be reduced to a cynical resentful husk until you grow some realistic perspective.

[Anonymous No.9804732]

>>9795100
>Literally nothing is an incomplete protein.
Oh my god, what is science?

Stay in school, kids.

[Anonymous No.9804747]

>>9804700
Have you constructed this world view entirely through documentaries, media, horrendous Beetle songs and idealistic supposed "academia" who infiltrated fields solely to spread their religion or do you have the sense to actually engage in farming practices before spouting such purely theoretical unrealistic trash?

[Anonymous No.9804787]

>>9804637
>>9804732
>>9804618

https://www.ecowatch.com/hey-vegetarians-and-vegans-its-time-to-debunk-the-protein-combining-my-1891129518.html

http://www.onegreenplanet.org/natural-health/busted-the-myth-about-incomplete-plant-based-protein/

https://www.forksoverknives.com/the-myth-of-complementary-protein/#gs.Jiy49lg

http://www.pcrm.org/health/reports/five-protein-myths

Please, I openly encourage anyone to post anything credible about there being incomplete proteins. Everywhere I read said it was debunked years ago and that it's totally bullshit. While I do enjoy "lol you're an idiot" it's not exactly a compelling argument.

[Anonymous No.9804794]

>>9804747
Err... What unrealistic did I say? I pointed out things that are wrong. What i was wrong about?

[Anonymous No.9804829]

>>9804794
>And wheat and vegetables which northern climates produce are fine for humans consumption

Unfortunately for you they have a tendency to spoil rather quickly, furthermore prices for wheat and vegetables are already under pressure, especially for farmers in the first world, Russia alone produces all the wheat Europe could ever need and they have far more unclaimed potential to tap out.

Corn and soy grown in southern climates is suitable for human consumption, not so for corn grown in above a certain latitude and yet they grow an enormous amount of it?

Some more points you will find entertaining.
>cows are proven to be more happy in their barns, not out grazing, they like it better.

The jury is still out on vegan diets, birth-defects may occur, unknown long terms effects are not well documented, like it or not you are an omnivore with a specific design to consume and digest meat and absorb protein, your idealism is promoting something your body is not designed to function under, you and your shelterd overly sentimental beliefs are a product of affluence and disconnected perception of nature that has wrongfully led you to believe we should not fear nature, that we are its masters in full control, we aren't, we don't have time for your childish idealistic nonsense, we need to focus efforts on grander projects that will actually ensure our survival like fusion, material sciences, gene editing, epicgenetic manipulation and terraforming.

[Anonymous No.9804900]

>>9804829
What a flying fuck are you trying to blabber about. It's like you put words in a sentence, but it just doesn't work. What's a pressure on a price? Like they making the price low? How is it a bad thing? What "northern countries and latitute" are you talking about and why are you making transportation prohibited for some reason? The jibber-jabber in the lat paragraph is some scientology-grade bullshit. I regret talking to you.

[Anonymous No.9805086]

>>9804787
nuance is lost on you.
the fact that plants have proteins has not been debunked. the diet idea that you need to combine proteins AT THE SAME MEAL is the myth that's been debunked. The statement: plants have incomplete proteins, is correct. early research didn't understand how the body can store proteins for later use. however, this all relies on variety and appropriate calories intake. you need to have a privileged American diet to make this work. and there are specific diets that can leave you malnourished because of this factor, such as fruitarians.

[Anonymous No.9805110]

>>9805086

http://www.onegreenplanet.org/natural-health/busted-the-myth-about-incomplete-plant-based-protein/

https://www.consumerreports.org/diet-nutrition/are-plant-proteins-complete-proteins/

>“We used to think you had to combine certain incomplete proteins, like the ones in rice and beans, in the same meal to get all the essential amino acids,” says Dana Hunnes, R.D., Ph.D., an adjunct assistant professor at the Fielding School of Public Health at UCLA. “Now we know that you can meet your needs by eating a variety of plants throughout the day.” And if you’re eating any animal protein at all, you’re also taking in all the essential amino acids.

Gee it's like you're just talking out your ass. Sorry to burst your bubble grandpa, but science has moved on.

[Anonymous No.9805151]

>>9805110
that's literally what I just said. see, no nuance.

[Anonymous No.9805163]

>>9784934
per 100 calories
so
>6.4 grams of protein per 25 grams of meat
>11.1 grams of protein per 1 kg of brocolli

[Anonymous No.9805183]

>>9805151
>Literally proved wrong
>W-Well I was right the whole time!
The absolute state of some people. Sorry, next time I won't make my beating quite so savage.

[Anonymous No.9805217]

>>9805183
plants are incomplete proteins and a varied diet with plenty of calories is needed to make a vegetarian diet work. Go eat nothing but beans for awhile and prove me wrong. By all means, let's see you get your full caloric intake on nothing by broccoli. If you even step back and think about the evolution of humans, and how food variety is a phenomenon of the past couple centuries, then you'll realize how important meat has been for the survival of our species. Go to a tribe in Africa and tell them to only eat potatoes.
The discussion is not as black and white as you make it seem. look up the dunning-kruger effect.

[Anonymous No.9805247]

>>9805217
>The discussion is not as black and white as you make it seem
Except if those Africans ate meat whatsoever it wouldn't be an issue. Sorry you're wrong buddy, the 2000s are calling, come join us in the future!

[Anonymous No.9805378]

>>9805247
yeah... exactly... meat is needed because plants are an insufficient inefficient source of nutrition when compared to meat...are you sure you can read?

[Anonymous No.9805379]

>protein per calorie
Broccoli isn't very calorie dense, so you'd have to eat a lot of broccoli to get the same amount of protein as you would in steak.

>it's almost as bad as smoking
Well that's a load of tripe.

>You can get all the nutrients you need from plant-based food
You could also get all of the nutrients you need from meat. The Inuits did, and they've had no problem. Most nutritionists would agree, however, that the ideal is a balanced mix of meat and vegetables, though many may caution against red meat in particular.

[Anonymous No.9805404]

>>9805110
That's exactly what he said. Are the nutritional deficiencies getting to your head?

[Anonymous No.9805575]

Shut up you fags and give me some delicious tofu dishes, I'm tired of curry.

[Anonymous No.9805640]

>>9805575
Fuck you kid.

[Anonymous No.9805675]

>>9805378

Perhaps you haven't been reading the multiple links I've been providing but you see incomplete plant proteins aren't a thing. I'd recommend actually educating yourself.

>>9805404

Except that it's not. Sorry!

[Anonymous No.9805690]

>>9805675
>onegreenplanet

Oh yeah that sounds so positively unbiased and not tainted by ideology I'm actually going to bother.

[Anonymous No.9805715]

>>9805690

I didn't realize one link invalidated all the rest of them! Wow! It's ok, you don't have to try. It's probably too hard anyhow.

[Anonymous No.9805730]

>>9805715
The other link says it is healthier to eat relatively more vegetables and a larger variety in order to meat all the amino acid requirements that are needed. Meat will outright provide all of them without further consideration.

There is no incentive to stop eating meat unless you are some deluded idealist who's 'going to save the planet' or some childish sentimental nonsense like that.

[Anonymous No.9805740]

>>9805690
How fucking high am I that for a second, I saw a rabbit.

[chop No.9805746]

>>9805740
Classic optical illusion, mate.

[Anonymous No.9805783]

>>9805675
Him:
>the fact that plants have proteins has not been debunked. the diet idea that you need to combine proteins AT THE SAME MEAL is the myth that's been debunked.

You:
>“We used to think you had to combine certain incomplete proteins, like the ones in rice and beans, in the same meal to get all the essential amino acids,” says Dana Hunnes, R.D., Ph.D., an adjunct assistant professor at the Fielding School of Public Health at UCLA. “Now we know that you can meet your needs by eating a variety of plants throughout the day.”

So he says you can eat a variety of plant proteins over several meals rather than old wisdom at one meal. Your source claims that you can meet your needs by eating a variety of plant proteins throughout the day.

I'm actually convinced you aren't reading posts and are so stuck up your ass you dump some links and tell people to 'educate themselves' as if that absolves you from all criticism.

[Anonymous No.9805795]

>>9784934
>Do you hate yourself, and your environment?
yes

[Anonymous No.9805826]

>>9805783
>rather than old wisdom at one meal
The fuck? Is English not your first language? Opinion discarded!

>>9805730
I was never arguing that this was to stop eating meat! Vegetarians are gay!

[Anonymous No.9805940]

>>9805826
(You)

[Anonymous No.9806072]

>>9804732
He was almost right. Only animal products can have incomplete protons. Go to cronometer. Every single fruit or veg humans eat have a complete amino acid profile.

[Anonymous No.9806088]

>>9789654
I can eat as many plants as I'd like and be healthy but any portion of meat will increase heart risk or cancer. Really makes me think.

Child rape is bad, but in moderation it can be okay.

[Anonymous No.9806095]

veganism is for weak soy boys, while meat is for patricians. if your transitioning to becoming a woman you should only be eating estrogen promoting foods that hinder your natural testosterone.

[Anonymous No.9806096]

>>9804732
Name one fruit or vegetable that does not contain every essential amino acid

Again

RATIOS

[Anonymous No.9806097]

>>9804511
Uh oh. The dairy queen is getting upset. you know how he gets when he doesn't get his daily intake of mammalian estrogen.

[Anonymous No.9806108]

>>9806095
Put down the milk, dairy queen. Your est levels are through the roof by looking at how upset you're getting.

[Anonymous No.9806109]

veganism is a garbage life choice that only serves to boost the ego of weak willed virtue signalers. don't choose to be a daft cunt gatherer, be a hunter.

[Anonymous No.9806120]

>>9806109
>whines about virtue signaling

>dont be a queer vegan!!!

[Anonymous No.9806134]

>>9806109
>anon has managed to trick himself into thinking that he's hunting when he's in this part of the grocery store

[Anonymous No.9806140]

>>9784934
because I like meat
that's all

[Anonymous No.9806435]

>>9806109
>hurr durr I put out corn behind muh trailer all year and muh deer get to be pets eating out of muh hand
>i walk out on the first day of hunting season with a hsndfull of corn in one hand and a .45 in the other
>a doe nuzzles my hsnd and gets a bullet
>>drive my atv 10 yds to load her up and dump her in the back of muh pickup and drive to a processor 'cause fuck field dressing, skinning and butchering
>hurr durr I'm livin' like paleo man , coastal fags btfo

[Anonymous No.9806449]

Wut lie you fag.
Broccoli are 2,3 prot per 100g

[Anonymous No.9806567]

>>9804087
>meat substitutes only exist because vegetarians and vegans crave meat
No, they exist because there are rituals around eating meat, and it's easier to just say "here I brought tofu dogs" and be done with it than have some tard like you go "don't you want a hot dog? huh? huh? don't you want a hot dog?" every 30 seconds

Meat substitutes don't taste like meat, everyone knows that. It's the food equivalent of pretending to care about sports trivia.
>My turkey kicks ass.
Everyone loves the smell of their own farts. The only way to make turkey taste good is to drown it in mole sauce. I'm sorry you have trouble accepting this.

[Anonymous No.9807191]

I bought some fake meat. I never had vegan besides tofu and salad. I also bought vegan hotdogs. I love meat, but am willing to give vegan food a try

[Anonymous No.9807542]

>>9806435
It sounds like you're projecting a bit with all those assumptions Anon.
Is it your vegan lifestyle that causes you to be mentally unstable or is that a result of your veganism?

[Anonymous No.9808302]

>>9784934
Because I don't care about things. The definition of life is suffering. The suffering does not stop until life ends. A farm animal suffers, a wild animal suffers, an omniverous human suffers, a vegan human suffers. It just doesn't matter.

[Anonymous No.9808313]

>>9784934
because i want to live healthy

[Anonymous No.9809929]

>>9808313
Which means you need to eat vegan

[Anonymous No.9809932]

>>9809929
He said he wants to live healthy tho

[Anonymous No.9810978]

>>9809932
which means being a vegan

[Anonymous No.9810990]

>>9784934
Meatless meat is looking really promising to me but not enough to where I'd switch the old diet.

[Anonymous No.9810994]

>>9784934
meat just tastes good.

[Anonymous No.9811000]

>>9784934
Veganism is a fucking meme. What is stopping you from eating animal products, you meming faggot?

[Anonymous No.9811003]

>>9810978
no it doesn't. vegans aren't any healthier on average and do not have increased longevity.

[Anonymous No.9811013]

>>9810978
Potato chips, Oreo cookies, and soda are all vegan foods

[Anonymous No.9811578]

>>9811013
Vegans don't endorse saturated fats and refined sugars. Wanna know what RETARDS endorse saturated fats and cholesterol?

[Anonymous No.9811589]

>>9784934
>According to the USDA’s Agricultural Research Service’s Nutrient Data Laboratory database, 100 calories of broiled beef, top sirloin steak has exactly 11.08 grams of protein and 100 calories of chopped, raw broccoli has exactly 8.29.

[Anonymous No.9811600]

Is it better to die of cancer at 70 or frailty and dementia at 90? Serious question.

[Anonymous No.9811651]

>>9811578
Saturated fats are not bad for you unless you have an abnormal condition. Keep shillin' that misinformation tho.

[Anonymous No.9811934]

I enjoyed my time as a vegan but I missed these too much. Not what made me switch back over of course but it was one of my first meals after being vegan for a few months. Never going back

[Anonymous No.9811980]

>>9785340

>30362kcal
Kcal
30362000 calories
Idec I want 25g of protein

[Anonymous No.9812159]

>>9811651
or don't excercise literally at all

[Anonymous No.9812193]

>>9784934
>none of the violence
http://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/plants-can-hear-themselves-being-eaten/

[Anonymous No.9812202]

>>9806088
(You)

[Anonymous No.9812209]

I don't mind vegetarians as long as the only time you tell people is when it's relevant to the topic, like choosing a restaurant to eat at.
I hate vegans, even if they're quiet about it, because they're hurting their bodies with malnutrition

[Anonymous No.9812212]

>>9786414
lol no it didn't

[Anonymous No.9812360]

>>9812209
this. and when I was doing the vegan diet I hated telling people that I was doing it. It is a very negative stigma in my opinion

[Anonymous No.9812574]

>>9812209
Studies show vegans live around ten years longer. Studies also show that vegans have less deficiencies on average. Malnourished vegans are the low IQ fad diet, eating disorder, snowflakes.
Veganism is healthier.

[Anonymous No.9812663]

>>9811651
Yes they are, not even a questions anymore

[Anonymous No.9812687]

last 2 edible organisms in the world, ones an omnivore and the other is a self proclaimed veganterian r.i.p also tased like shit 'cause it only ate veg

[Anonymous No.9812756]

>>9784934
Was considering it until watching this guy
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJoLPtRqSI-FvvPmY4n_lMw

[Anonymous No.9812785]

>>9812574
Post these studies of yours.

[Anonymous No.9812796]

>>9784934
This just seems false.

Nutritional data for broccoli: http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/vegetables-and-vegetable-products/2356/2
Nutritional data for beef: http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/beef-products/3477/2

According to these nutritional tables, beef contains 17.29g of protein per 100 kcal and broccoli contains 8.4g/100kcal.

I mean, there's plenty of argments for eating more vegetables and less meat and all, so why just lie so blatantly?

[Anonymous No.9812806]

>>9812209
Well. World Health Organisation says veganism is perfectly fine for any human and can have benefits. Also they recommend to lower your intake of red and processed meat, which is the most meat and saturated fats, which translates to dairy and eggs.

[Anonymous No.9812817]

>>9784934
I just ate some rice with beans and broccoli.
By looking at all the autistic soyboy vegan faggotry going on in this thread, i already regret that. Should've just eaten a good slab of meat instead. You oy veygans are mentally ill and the world would be a better place if you didn't exist. So what are you waiting for?! Kill yourself you over emotional low testosterone malnourished vegan faggots.

[Anonymous No.9812825]

>>9784934
Because meat tastes good, and you're a faggot.
I don't need any more reason than that.

[Anonymous No.9812829]

>>9812817
masculinity is a cage

[Anonymous No.9812830]

>>9812817
Why do you act like you are on /pol/ right now?
You know this is not /pol/ right?
When are going to go back?

[Anonymous No.9812842]

>>9812817
>muh meat, muh manhood, look at me I love slabs and hunks of manly hot man... I mean, meat
>being obsessed with hormones
>having a metal penis exhibitionism fetish
>struggling with suicidal fantasies
if you were any gayer you'd spontaneously combust

[Anonymous No.9812852]

>>9812829
t. tumblr

[Anonymous No.9813097]

>>9784934
OP BTFO

[Anonymous No.9813121]

>>9812842
>muh meat, muh manhood
Says the weak little sissy with arms who are thinner than matches...
>I love slabs and hunks of manly hot man... I mean, meat
pic related
>being obsessed with hormones
Says the weak girly man...
>having a metal penis exhibitionism fetish
Don't project your mentally ill fetishes unto others...
>struggling with suicidal fantasies
If you want to kill yourself... then who's stopping you?! Do the world a favor and end yourself.
>>9812830
What does this topic have to do with /pol/, you uneducated dress wearing feminine HIV infested faggot?!

[Anonymous No.9813130]

>>9813121
>no U!
Doesn't work that way, Bruce. If it helps, you're considered legal in Australia now.

[Anonymous No.9813145]

>>9813130
>Bruce
Oh just shut up or at least stay on topic, Clark.

[Anonymous No.9813179]

>>9813145
Is Clark your pug's name? Why are you talking to your dog like it's a person?

[Anonymous No.9813558]

>Implying it's a complete protein
>Implying that 27-35g of protein per 100g for steak equals 2.82g per 100g of protein for brocolli.
>Implying you'd get enough zinc, omega-3 fatty acids, taurine, creatine and vitamine D with an all vegetable diet.

[Anonymous No.9813809]

>>9813558
>Implying complete protein is not a myth
>Implying that mass of the water in the product matters
>Implying pumpkin seeds and nuts don't have zink.
>Implying omega-3 is not a marketing sham and you can't get it from flax or hemp
>Implying taurine or creatine are not produced by human body itself
>implying vitamin D is a vitamin and not sleep-regulating hormone, that reacts to sunshine and blocks melatonin, so we are not falling asleep in a daytime. And naturaly being produced by sun exposure.

[Anonymous No.9814918]

>>9812829
The heterocage is real.

[Anonymous No.9814921]

[Anonymous No.9814969]

>>9813097
Steamed broccoli is easy as fuck to eat tho and be honest here, red meat in proven very unhealthy for you while broccoli is bery healthy.

[Anonymous No.9815118]

>>9814969
>proven very unhealthy
lol

[Anonymous No.9815121]

>>9814921
>I won't talk shit to you
>literally a paragraph of shittalk
>all because a vegan retard couldn't read a fucking menu

[Anonymous No.9816039]

>>9786903
This is not /vp/.

[Anonymous No.9816203]

>>9784934
its not about the protiens its literally never been except for dipshit bodybuilders it's the vitamins and amino acids

[Anonymous No.9816778]

>>9812574
Compared to who? The 'average' meat eater in the US is 250+ lbs and eats a vegetable once a month. The problem with these studies is that they compare a group of vegans who are meticulous about their nutrition (as they have to be) to a group of fatasses who had Domino's for breakfast.

[Anonymous No.9816786]

>>9814921
>vegan
>mayonnaise and anchovies
lmao

[Anonymous No.9816938]

>>9814921
>it's okay if it's food I like with my mom
>but fuck you guys for liking things

[Anonymous No.9817157]

>>9786906
You mean that vitamin that is supplemented in animal food, or greatly aided with cobalt in animal food? that just sounds like a supplement with extra unnecessary steps. As for animals tasting better then vegetables, that's all on your cooking man. It sounds like my diet isn't the restrictive one if you've never had a good tasting vegetable.

[Anonymous No.9817173]

>>9789272
cool, a study where some vegetarians also eat meat. Not inaccurate at all. And oh my god! Would you look at that! There's not a single mention of veganism, the subject of this thread!

[Anonymous No.9817194]

>>9801033
So, what reason do you have for killing animals when there are nutritionally adequate alternatives that taste good?

[Anonymous No.9817226]

>>9804829
Everybody's got their head in their ass. A vegan diet is 100% adequate for all stages of life.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3662288/
>patients on a plant-based diet are not at risk for protein deficiency.
>They found that plant-based diets were associated with a reduced risk of cardiovascular disease and mortality compared with non-plant-based diets.
>The Adventist Health Studies found that vegetarians have approximately half the risk of developing diabetes as nonvegetarians.
>Farmer et al14 suggest that vegetarian diets may be better for weight management and may be more nutritious than diets that include meat.

I have a feeling you're all going to keep your head deep in there though.