/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.9682151]

How much MSG are there in the typical chinese takeaway? and is it bad for you if you eat it often?

[Anonymous No.9682165]

MSG isn't bad for you. Google it.

[Anonymous No.9682166]

>>9682151
You need to watch out for salt, not MSG. MSG is considered harmless.

[Anonymous No.9682170]

I would be more concerned about all the oil.

[Anonymous No.9682226]

MSG is delicious I put it in every meel I make even the chichen egq

[Anonymous No.9682255]

>>9682166
msg still has some sodium tho, but just a small amount of MSG can replace a lot of salt, so it's not really that bad.

[Anonymous No.9682262]

>>9682166
>>9682165
>>9682255
>>9682226
just drink water you dumb americans
I drink 1 litre of water every 2 hours except when sleeping

[Anonymous No.9682270]

>>9682262
>I liter every 2 hours
Only eurobeaners would believe this.

[Anonymous No.9682276]

>>9682270
I have two Nalgene (made in USA, BPA free bottles) that I keep in the fridge.
I alternate between the two of them and drink it down in one gulp.

[Anonymous No.9682296]

Your average Chinese takeout place proudly advertises itself as MSG free and they've done so since the 80s

[Anonymous No.9682313]

>>9682296
sad.

[Anonymous No.9682317]

>>9682255
Sodium isn't salt, it's half of what is salt but not actually salt.

[Anonymous No.9682350]

>>9682296
>people don't use MSG anymore because some shitty soccer moms believe the "MSG is cancer" meme.
fug

[Anonymous No.9682352]

>>9682296
explains why their food doesn't taste as good these days

[Anonymous No.9682356]

>>9682313
Also only serves white meat chicken

[Anonymous No.9682397]

>>9682317

[Anonymous No.9682461]

Well, it's a sure signpost of a shit restaurant if they're using msg. If a restaurant is using msg, chinese, american or whatever, you can be certain you have a lazyass manager/owner who lets his cooks be lazyass fucks. They get away with dumping petroleum derived "flavor enhancers" because "chef" jean pierre or ping pang pong was too busy snorting the drug du jour outside the backdoor to bd concerned about quality. Don't grasp crutches that make you a worse cook.

[Anonymous No.9682905]

>>9682397
lel

[Anonymous No.9682969]

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-msg-got-a-bad-rap-flawed-science-and-xenophobia/

[Anonymous No.9683000]

>>9682151
1/3 sodium as salt so it's better

[Anonymous No.9683013]

MSG literally kills brain cells
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2802046/
>Although the blood brain barrier (BBB) has low permeability to MSG, the presence of high affinity glutamate transporters located at the BBB capillary luminal membrane could facilitate the uptake of MSG into the brain. Assuming 10% of the blood concentration can be reached in the cerebral spinal fluid, it would yield ∼5 µM MSG in the brain which is above the threshold concentration of MSG for causing neuronal injury in our studies.

Keep eating your good goy sprinkles.

[Anonymous No.9683033]

>>9682969
>hehehee good goy, if you don't eat our IQ lowering poison, you're a bad racist goy heheehehe

[Anonymous No.9683085]

>>9683013
and meats causes cancer

[Anonymous No.9683099]

>>9682166
Salt isn’t bad for you, unless you have a heart condition.

Sugar is the true killer of men.

Since the 1950s, sugar has been used in lieu of salt as a preservative, and sugar has been more available through candy and soda.

The trend of sugar in average American diet has increased linearly with American obesity rates.

Stop eating sugar

[Anonymous No.9683127]

>>9683013
anything you eat can kill you

[Anonymous No.9683128]

>>9683099
>Sugar is the true killer of men.
Wrong. People need sugar to survive, especially your brain. Your body creates sugar by breaking down the starches you eat. It also makes sugar from fats as necessary. Sugar is the one thing human bodies cannot live without.

Overeating and too many kcals causes obesity. Blaming one type of food is typical dumb fattie logic.

[Anonymous No.9683133]

>>9683127
No natural, traditional food can kill brain cells the way MSG can. If you even skimmed that article and continue eating MSG, there's no hope for you. MSG has already done its damage.

[Anonymous No.9683137]

>>9683128
>Your body creates sugar by breaking down the starches you eat.
Right, which is why you don't need extra sugar from things like candy and soda.

[Anonymous No.9683151]

>>9683137
If I ate 1500 kcals worth of candy and soda, I wouldn't gain fat. If I did that in addition to other food, then yes, but the same weight gain would happen when I eat 3000 kcals of oranges and broccoli.

[Anonymous No.9683483]

>>9683013
Building 10% MSG concentration in the spinal column by eating Chinese food just isn't possible. Go away.

[Anonymous No.9683488]

>>9683151
This might be the worst point anyone has ever made on this board

[Anonymous No.9683524]

>>9682255
>a small amount of MSG can replace a lot of salt
In the first place, MSG doesn't do the same thing that salt does. They aren't interchangeable.

[Anonymous No.9683531]

>>9683013
MSG is highly present in Chinese and Japanese food.
Man, the entire population of China and Japan must be retarded and we just don't know it!

[Anonymous No.9683612]

>>9682397
Sodium chloride is salt.
Sodium alone is an explosive metal.

[Anonymous No.9684507]

>>9682151
less sodium than salt, and glutamate is a very good amino acid used in over 90 % of human brain synapses.

[Anonymous No.9684516]

>>9683612
an explosive metal you say? You mean it reacts vigorously in water, and somewhat in air? most metals can be made to "explode" or react violently under certain conditions with other chemicals.

[Anonymous No.9684524]

>>9684507
I say this as I'm about to liberally rub my steak in salt and not msg. Both are flavor enhancers, but in different ways.

[Anonymous No.9684533]

>>9684524
add some msg to the salt for extra flavor

[Anonymous No.9684559]

>>9684533
nah, not on a steak, salt brings out natural flavours in the right amount, msg adds a different flavor, I want to taste the meat.

[Anonymous No.9684570]

>>9682151
About tree fiddy

[Anonymous No.9684698]

>>9682262
>I drink eight litres of water a day
Enjoy dying of hyponatremia retard

[Anonymous No.9684932]

>>9683488
I see it get made every time sugar comes up, you don't see me complaining.

[Anonymous No.9685218]

>>9682151
Not really but too much of it will give you shits the next day

[Anonymous No.9685248]

>>9683151
Good grief you are dumb and shouldn't post

[Anonymous No.9685250]

>>9682166
everytime i eat MSG, i get a killer headache and my legs feel like they're on fire

[Anonymous No.9685362]

>>9685250
You are a faggy placebo dork.
I bet if you ate MSG without knowing it you'd be fine. Better yet I bet you don't realize how much food naturally has MSG in it.

[Anonymous No.9685368]

>>9685250
then stop standing in fire

[Anonymous No.9685454]

>>9685250
It's probably not the compound MSG, but the byproducts of the industrial manufacturing process causing it. Just use ingredients that have natural and pure MSG in them.

[Anonymous No.9685494]

>>9683013
>wow if I IV 5kg of MSG there is a potential for glutamate excitotoxicity

[Anonymous No.9685503]

>>9682151
It's not bad for you anon. Research it.

[Anonymous No.9685528]

>>9685250
Stop drinking coke and start drinking water you fat dehydrated fuck.

[Anonymous No.9687189]

>>9685528
Coke is 90% water, diet Coke is 99% water

[Anonymous No.9687248]

>>9682151
I'm pretty sure MSG is only bad if you're allergic, much like with gluten

[Anonymous No.9687262]

>>9683151
>If I ate 1500 kcals worth of candy and soda, I wouldn't gain fat
>Nutritional content doesnt matter, your body only processes things based on raw kcal value
If you ate a BLT and an entire stick of butter every day you would get incredibly fat, because your body would be gaining a gigantic excess of fats to store.

[Anonymous No.9687272]

>>9685250
Go for a run fatass

[Anonymous No.9687329]

>>9687262
>BLT = ~400 calories
>Stick of butter = 800 calories
You would end up losing weight pretty rapidly on that diet.

Dietary fat doesn't just automatically get stored as body fat. Your body converts that dietary fat to energy, and any excess food consumed beyond your energy requirements is stored as body fat.

By your logic, you could eat 8,000 kcal of carbs a day and still not get fat, because you're not eating any fat!

[Anonymous No.9687585]

>>9682270
I'm American and I drink on average 1 liter of water every 2 hours the entire time I'm awake. I have ever since I was in the Army and deployed a bunch and had to then from the heat over seas. I fill my one liter bottle up all day at customers homes with their tap water while at work. At home it's better because it's well water and pure and clean. It's not uncommon for people to drink way above the daily recommendation of water.

[Anonymous No.9687711]

>>9687585
youre gonna get fat off all that water

[Anonymous No.9687725]

>>9687711
I know this is joking but I often wonder if it does have any negative side effects drinking that much but I can't stop it because I always feel thirsty and I only drink water.

[Anonymous No.9687754]

>>9682296
I used to deliver food from restaurants including a few Chinese places. A popular restaurant downtown, when I went in the kitchen, I saw one of those huge white buckets (like 55 gallon maybe?) with "MSG" in big letters on it. No wonder it was so popular.

[Anonymous No.9687758]

>>9682166
MSG is salt you fucking retard

[Anonymous No.9687782]

>>9687725
Drinking water is really good for you. The negative side effect is having to go to the bathroom a lot, but if you piss frequently that mostly just means your body gets a chance to get rid of excess chemicals and toxins more quickly, so they take less of a toll on you. Being well-hydrated is good for you in all sorts of other ways of course. You will probably age more gracefully than the average person.

You aren't drinking so much water that you are messing up the salinity of your body or anything like that, so you have nothing to worry about.

[Anonymous No.9688154]

>>9682397
god damn it

[Anonymous No.9688206]

>>9687725
Yes it have. Do everything in moderation. Drinking copious amount of water means your kidney have to work overtime because those excessive water have to go through them before being discharged. You're damaging your kidneys.

[Anonymous No.9688297]

>>9688206
their job is to filter shit out, water isn't like some poisonous sludge they have to work hard at, it's easy work. Is there any proof that your kidneys are damaged from drinking a few liters of water per day?

[Anonymous No.9688447]

>>9688297
It's probably actually easier on your kidneys because all the toxic shit they have to filter is less concentrated. I could ask my friend who is a doctor but I don't really want to bother him with such an obvious question. Everyone knows water is good for you.

[Anonymous No.9688485]

>>9688206
>Do everything in moderation
What about moderation itself? Should that be done in moderation?

[Anonymous No.9688497]

>>9687329
Not what I said at all, dipshit.
If you ate 1200kcal of pure fat you would get fat.
If you ate 1200kcal of carbs you would probably just maintain.
Your body processes and handles different nutrients differently, it inherently wants to burn and then store fat, and when you give it a giant fucking slab of fat all at once it tends to store it first.

[Anonymous No.9688525]

>>9688497
>Scientific "facts" I just made up
So you think the body says "oh this is fat we better store it as fat because the English use the word fat for two different things"?

[Anonymous No.9688547]

>>9688497
>If you ate 1200kcal of pure fat you would get fat.
>If you ate 1200kcal of carbs you would probably just maintain.
Wrong as fuck. This isn't nutrition. This is thermodynamics. If someone needs 2000kcal to maintain and they eat 1200kcal of butter, where would they get the energy to somehow gain fat?

[Anonymous No.9688553]

>>9688525
>My body is a dumb pipe!
You're retarded.

>>9688547
See above.
Your body is capable of distinguishing between different nutrients and using them appropriately, how the fuck do you think keto even works?

[Anonymous No.9688557]

>>9685494
>>9683483
If you read the context of that quote in the article, you'd see that the threshold is met by eating 3g of MSG, which also happens to be the threshold where people start reporting headaches.

[Anonymous No.9688567]

>>9688553
i dont think you know how keto works

[Anonymous No.9688570]

>>9685250
You are not alone. All these people reporting the same effect can't be overlooked. It is proven that this headache is from your central nervous system dealing with the brain damage it causes. It is known that ginger can counteract the MSG-induced brain damage and headaches, which the Chinks figured out by trial and error before knowing the science behind it.

[Anonymous No.9688609]

>>9688553
>Your body is capable of distinguishing between different nutrients and using them appropriately
Let's say you only eat 1200kcal of X (carbs, fats, or protein) and your body converts it directly into fat. You're still alive, so your body needs energy the rest of the day. So it will start breaking down fat, 2000kcal worth of it let's say, throughout the day. No matter what pathway you think the food goes through, you HAVE to use a certain amount of energy. At the end of the day, you will lose weight if you consume less energy than you use. There simply is no possible way for you to keep staying alive if you're not using energy from your body stores (fat or muscle). It doesn't matter what type of energy you eat.

[Anonymous No.9688676]

>>9688497
What the fuck, that is absolutely retarded. People who went on the Atkins diet actually lost weight, even if it's fucked up and unhealthy to eat that much fat and red meat.

[Anonymous No.9688701]

>>9688609
>There simply is no possible way for you to keep staying alive if you're not using energy from your body stores (fat or muscle).
No, that's completely wrong. Most of the time your body is getting its energy directly from glycogen and sugars in the blood, neither burning muscle nor fat. That is highly inefficient, it's only something your body would do when the blood sugar becomes too low to function normally or when you are using energy faster than your normal digestion can can resupply the blood sugar (i.e. if you are exerting yourself).

[Anonymous No.9688747]

>>9688701
After several days of eating well below maintenance, glycogen will be minimal and exhausted quickly. Then fat/muscle will be burnt. This is how diets work.

[Anonymous No.9688769]

>>9688747
Yes, exactly. Which is why eating a fattier diet won't make you get fat compared to another diet with an equal amount of kcal. To lose weight you have to reduce your caloric input. If you switched to an all-carb diet you would not lose weight unless you were at a caloric deficit.

[Anonymous No.9688966]

>>9688676
>even if it's fucked up and unhealthy to eat that much fat and red meat.

Why?

[Anonymous No.9689133]

>>9682461
The best Chinese places with a secret authentic Chinese menu use MSG. It is a common ingredient in their dishes and occurs naturally in many foods and ingredients
>>9688557
>a rat eating 3g MSG is the same as a human eating 3g.
They also directly applied the substance to the neuron, which isn't how digestion works. You could pour cola onto a nerve cell and it will dissolve, doesn't mean when you take a sip of cola it literally dissolves your brain cells in the same way.

I really don't know why they ran the test in this way. Notice they completely abandoned the topic they themselves brought up about it not effecting Chinese. Likely because the experiment was ran in China, who's had a bad string of luck with science legitimacy lately, especially with clinical trials
https://www.sciencealert.com/80-of-the-data-in-chinese-clinical-trial-is-fabricated
http://mobile.the-scientist.com/article/48577/the-past-and-present-of-research-integrity-in-china

I cannot find any other article that supports this one you shared.
>>9687248
Celiacs is not an allergy, it is an autoimmune disorder.

Kinda like how all bourbon is whiskey, but not all whiskey is bourbon.
>>9688206
It is this. People who are getting headaches would get the same result with salt. Every person I see complaining about MSG headaches is overweight, or a person prone to hypochondria. What do these people all do when eating their Chinese? Drench the entire fucking meal with MORE soy sauce. With a Diet Coke to go with it.

Also too much water does lead to to kidney damage. When your kidneys can't excrete the excess water, the sodium content of your blood is diluted (hyponatremia) — which can be life-threatening.

[Anonymous No.9689172]

>>9682296
Chinese restaurants are not MSG free, even if they state they are. They're just not adding it directly into the food themselves, but they're still adding it indirectly through premade sauces/condiments that contain MSG.

[Anonymous No.9689225]

>>9689133
>They also directly applied the substance to the neuron, which isn't how digestion works. Wrong again. I guess I have to paste the whole context:
>Since the report of “Chinese Restaurant Syndrome” in 1968, various studies have confirmed the link between MSG intake and its side effects including headaches [4, 5]. In those studies, an oral dose of MSG at 3g or higher reproduced restaurant syndrome within 30 min [5]. A direct intravenous dose of 50 mg also produced similar symptoms. Although the MSG concentration in the blood is difficult to predict with oral doses of MSG, a direct intravenous injection of 50 mg MSG is expected to yield a blood concentration of 53 µM (based on the total blood volume of 5 litters). Although the blood brain barrier (BBB) has low permeability to MSG, the presence of high affinity glutamate transporters located at the BBB capillary luminal membrane could facilitate the uptake of MSG into the brain. Assuming 10% of the blood concentration can be reached in the cerebral spinal fluid, it would yield ∼5 µM MSG in the brain which is above the threshold concentration of MSG for causing neuronal injury in our studies. Thus, the concentrations of MSG used in our studies were clinically relevant. Our finding that neuronal swelling takes place at ∼30 min after MSG treatment is also consistent with the time course of MSG-induced headache in clinical studies.

? grams oral -> 50 mg intravenous > .053 mg blood concentration -> .005 mg in cerebrospinal fluid, which is above the threshold for brain damage

Let's assume conservatively that only 10% of ingested MSG makes it to your bloodstream. I'm sure it's more since it's an amino acid, but let's go with that. 500mg of MSG is enough to trigger this brain damage.

[Anonymous No.9689273]

>>9689133
>I cannot find any other article that supports this one you shared.
You need to take off those "I know better" goggles:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S018844091400263X
http://www.imrfjournals.in/pdf/MATHS/LSIRJ-NEW-JOURNALS/LSIRJ-32/25.pdf
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0928468016300220
http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0960327115572706
https://academic.oup.com/jnen/article-abstract/31/3/464/2612663
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/166/3903/386

MSG is just as dangerous as people thought 40 years ago. People who continue to advocate for MSG seem to be reddit types who pride themselves on their "rationality" and knowing "common misconception" trivia unlike the dumb apes who go to church and vote for Trump.

[Anonymous No.9689287]

>>9689273
>anyone who doesn't agree with modern scientific consensus is a fascist

[Anonymous No.9689304]

>>9689287
amen, flat earthers unite!

[Anonymous No.9689308]

>>9689287
dat reading comprehension

[Anonymous No.9689318]

>>9689304
So anyone who doesn't agree with scientific consensus believes the earth is flat?

[Anonymous No.9689326]

MSG is Jewish poison.

[Anonymous No.9689328]

>>9689318
more "anyone who first argues he dosent see any consensus, is given lots of them and disregards them anyways is retarded"

[Anonymous No.9689347]

>>9688557
>3g of MSG

Why do these twats eat so much MSG? Have you ever poured a little MSG in your hand and licked it? It's extremely potent and sticks to your tongue. Nobody should ever put near 3gs of msg in their food.

[Anonymous No.9689349]

>>9683151
>C in C out moron

your body couldnt even come close to actually processing that much broccoli. the human metabolism is not an indiscriminate incinerator that turns all foods into energy with equal efficiency

[Anonymous No.9689446]

>>9689349
so what your saying is the c would still come out

[Anonymous No.9690697]

>>9688966
High levels of sodium and saturated fat, also, red meat is often carcinogenic

Eating bacon every meal is not a healthy diet, surprise surprise

[Anonymous No.9690979]

>>9688570
They can all be wrong and they are, no one has ever been able to accurately tell if they ate MSG or a placebo before. It has been tested and studied over and over, there are literally no humans sensitive to MSG

[Anonymous No.9691024]

>>9688966
I really just said that so someone wouldn't come in and bitch at me for saying the Atkins diet worked. Still, I can't imagine how you would ever shit again if you ate nothing but red meat.

[Anonymous No.9691031]

>>9689349
>Oh look, /ck/ is breaking the laws of thermodynamics again.
Retard.

[Anonymous No.9691034]

>>9689133
>When your kidneys can't excrete the excess water, the sodium content of your blood is diluted (hyponatremia)
Fair but in my post somewhere up the chain you are responding to, I specified that you would not be drinking so much water that you fuck up your salinity. We're talking about drinking a lot of water, but not like an anorexic who replaces all food with plain water for an extended period of time.

[Anonymous No.9691040]

>>9691031
It's not breaking the laws of thermodynamics, dipshit, it's just that your body isn't 100% efficient, so some foods don't get fully processed and you drop some of the calories when you shit.

[Anonymous No.9691058]

>>9691040
>ITT: Professor Brian Cox
Seriously, /ck/.

[Anonymous No.9691067]

>>9682151
MSG isn't bad for you. That was a meme literally made up by white people because Chinese food was better than theirs and they wanted to hamper its commercial success.

[Anonymous No.9691074]

>>9689349
>the human metabolism is not an indiscriminate incinerator that turns all foods into energy with equal efficiency

Correct. But irrelevant. When we're discussing calories in food we aren't quoting the literal calories you'd get from a bomb calorimeter measurement. Instead the numbers we talk about -- 4 calories per gram for carbs and protein, 7 for alcohol, and 9 for fat, are already corrected for the inefficiencies for the human digestive system. The numbers are called "Atwater factors" after the name of the scientist who researched them. The numbers you read on the back of a food package are already adjusted for how the human body works.

[Anonymous No.9691100]

>>9691074
I agree with your position broadly, but other posters seem to be trying to say that if you were not eating a nutritionally balanced diet (for example, getting all your calories from alcohol), those factors would no longer be accurate. They are a good average at the population level but for an individual you may find yourself unable to metabolize nutrients in the usual way.

It's still "Calories in, Calories out" but the number of "Calories in" is no longer easy to measure because you don't know how efficiently you are metabolizing those nutrients. The only reason people get into such retarded arguments about this is because they are working from different basic definitions. The "physicists" talking about thermodynamics don't care about the details on the nutrition facts label (if it says 200 kcal and you only get 150 out of it, that just counts as 150 to them), while the "nutritionists" are thinking about it from more of a practical "how do I decide what to eat when I'm trying to lose weight" side. Of course in a world without nutrition labels, you would just gradually decrease your food intake while monitoring your weight.

[Anonymous No.9691120]

>>9691100
>but the number of "Calories in" is no longer easy to measure because you don't know how efficiently you are metabolizing those nutrients.

But we do know how efficently we are metabolizing nutrients. That's what I just stated: the numbers (Atwater Factors) are already corrected for how the human digestive system works. Now it is true that there is some variation between people, but that variation is terribly small. Google it. There have been a number of recent studies done and the overwhelming majority of the human race has a very similar metabolic rate. Of course there could always be outliers, but they are extremely rare. We're talking lottery-winning rare.

>>Of course in a world without nutrition labels, you would just gradually decrease your food intake while monitoring your weight.
I would suggest that people do that even in a world with labels. The main problem is not inaccuracy in lableing, it's that:
a) most people are horrible at estimating the amount of food they eat
and
b) most people don't bother to get out a scale and actually measure their consumption.
...people mainly just guess, and they're very bad at it.

[Anonymous No.9691122]

>>9691067
>muh evil, racist hwite devils

[Anonymous No.9691139]

>>9691120
Let me put it this way: Is it possible, or is it impossible, for a diet with a sufficient and appropriate caloric load to eventually kill you via malnutrition?

[Anonymous No.9691140]

>>9683099
Sugar is a preservative????

[Anonymous No.9691142]

>>9691058
>i think math is the same as applied math
There are so many things that could cause your body not to absorb calories. It's like cars, they'll have different gas mileages on the same gas.

[Anonymous No.9691149]

>>9687262
You're a retarded person

[Anonymous No.9691154]

>>9691140
Yes. Maybe you have heard the popular factoid that honey never goes bad (due to bacterial growth at least)? This is rooted in the fact that the ratio of sugar to water in honey is so high that microbes cannot survive in it.

Here's a good NIH source about it https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3609166/

[Anonymous No.9691163]

>>9691142
"absorb calories" is meaningless except colloquially, so I will interpret that as "metabolize nutrients." If your body does not metabolize some of the nutrients you eat, your "calories in" is maybe lower than you expected it to be based on labeling, but it still doesn't violate "CICO"

[Anonymous No.9691189]

>>9687782
you shouldn't be drinking so much as to affect how often you pee. you should just drink when you're thirsty until you're not thirsty.

life has evolved over millions of years and the organisms who didn't drink when they were thirsty died so we clearly know when to drink.

while excess water isnt too bad, too much can cause headaches, nausea, and migraines in some cases. also those excess "chemicals" in your bladder could be used when needed so simply flushing them more often can harm you. some animals even drink each others piss so they can get the salt and other minerals.

[Anonymous No.9691200]

>>9691122
>Uh-oh! Someone's not worshiping white people?! Better find my 98537853857th Jew picture meme
Keep sperging about MSG, but it won't make anyone prefer McDonald's, Cleetus.

[Anonymous No.9691208]

>>9691139
That's moving the goalposts. The subject was never about nutritional completeness, only whether or not calories in/calories out was a valid metric for judging energy intake.

[Anonymous No.9691215]

>>9683099
>The trend of sugar in average American diet has increased linearly with American obesity rates.

Wrong.

[Anonymous No.9691219]

>>9682151

MSG is good for you.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/msg-additive-good-for-you-food-science-sodium-salt-glutamic-acid-chinese-bad-health-steve-witherly-a7567406.html

[Anonymous No.9691221]

>>9691200
>pretending mcshit's doesn't have MSG in it either

lol it doesn't count cause they say yeast extract instead!!!

[Anonymous No.9691227]

>>9691208
I continue to agree with CICO, I'm just trying to show where the "controversy" comes from in the first place. CICO must be true from a physical perspective, but from a nutritional perspective the "wrong" diet might make you so sick that you no longer metabolize nutrients efficiently or might make your "output" unpredictable.

[Anonymous No.9691384]

Chinese restaurant syndrome is most likely real, but I believe it's the cooking wine. I think you fry away a lot less of the alcohol when you stir-fry compared to typical western cooking. It's of course a mild alcohol buzz but when you don't know just what it is it can be moderately uncomfortable.

[Anonymous No.9691505]

>>9683128
i already typed this and lost it so you're getting the shortened version now.

your body will convert basic carbs (monoglycerides) into glycogen and then ATP and will convert advanced carbs into stored fat unless there is enough fiber to support it being broken down. even when monoglycerides are present your body will refer to turn fats that are ingested into glycogen but even this can be skipped via ketosis.

my gf's dad was 350lbs, lost it all in just over a year with exercise and cutting most carbs, hit a weight floor of 180 but stopped dieting so strictly for 4 years, started a ketogenic diet (high fat, high salt, low carbs) and is now 160.

>>9683099
is correct in what he said but you also have to account for other sources of carbs and even diet drinks as these simulate sugar and cause insulin resistance.

as shown in this graph, actually eating 2 times as much salt as recommended is better than eating half as much. some animals even cause an intentional salt deficit to promote fat gain for the winter.

mpst of my infor comes from this channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqYPhGiB9tkShZorfgcL2lA

he sources all of his claims and simply by looking these up and reading similar/contradicting studies you can come to your own conclusions

[Anonymous No.9691547]

>>9683128
i already typed this and lost it so you're getting the shortened version now.

your body will convert basic carbs (monoglycerides) into glycogen and then ATP and will convert advanced carbs into stored fat unless there is enough fiber to support it being broken down. even when monoglycerides are present your body will refer to turn fats that are ingested into glycogen but even this can be skipped via ketosis.

kcals/cals have no real relation to weight gain/loss. while it may work for some people, you cant simply lose weight by eating low calorie foods. diet drinks actually cause weight gain as they increase insulin resistance preventing the body from producing ATP as efficiently. cals measure how much energy is in a food when its burned under pure oxygen, not by its ATP production so cals don't even relate to energy. you could also look at the fact that multiple foods have the same amount of calories but weigh different amounts (not just water)

my gf's dad was 350lbs, lost it all in just over a year with exercise and cutting most carbs, hit a weight floor of 180 but stopped dieting so strictly for 4 years, started a ketogenic diet (high fat, high salt, low carbs) and is now 160.

>>9683099
is correct in what he said but you also have to account for other sources of carbs and even diet drinks as these simulate sugar and cause insulin resistance.

as shown in this graph, actually eating 2 times as much salt as recommended is better than eating half as much. some animals even cause an intentional salt deficit to promote fat gain for the winter.

mpst of my infor comes from this channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqYPhGiB9tkShZorfgcL2lA

he sources all of his claims and simply by looking these up and reading similar/contradicting studies you can come to your own conclusions

[Anonymous No.9691572]

>>9683128
i already typed this and lost it so you're getting the shortened version now.

your body will convert basic carbs (monoglycerides) into glycogen and then ATP and will convert advanced carbs into stored fat unless there is enough fiber to support it being broken down. even when monoglycerides are present your body will refer to turn fats that are ingested into glycogen but even this can be skipped via ketosis.

kcals/cals have no real relation to weight gain/loss. while it may work for some people, you cant simply lose weight by eating low calorie foods. diet drinks actually cause weight gain as they increase insulin resistance preventing the body from producing ATP as efficiently. cals measure how much energy is in a food when it is burned under pure oxygen, not by its ATP production so cals don't even relate to energy. you could also look at the fact that multiple foods have the same amount of calories but weigh different amounts (not just water). and also 1lbs of coconut oil contains 4000 cal while its said that when you eat 3600 cals you gain a pound.

id also like to see a machine that can turn energy into matter

my gf's dad was 350lbs, lost it all in just over a year with exercise and cutting most carbs, hit a weight floor of 180 but stopped dieting so strictly for 4 years, started a ketogenic diet (high fat, high salt, low carbs) and is now 160.

>>9683099
is correct in what he said but you also have to account for other sources of carbs and even diet drinks as these simulate sugar and cause insulin resistance.

as shown in this graph, actually eating 2 times as much salt as recommended is better than eating half as much. some animals even cause an intentional salt deficit to promote fat gain for the winter.

mpst of my infor comes from this channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqYPhGiB9tkShZorfgcL2lA

he sources all of his claims and simply by looking these up and reading similar/contradicting studies you can come to your own conclusions

[Anonymous No.9691613]

>>9691384
There is something in Chinese food that doesn't agree with me. Everytime I've ever had it about 30 minutes later my stomach just knots and the next I know I'm pissing liquid shit out my arse. It always happens and I have no idea why.
I thought it might be some sort of intolerance, it happens when I eat pizza from this one particular takeaway as well.

[Anonymous No.9691629]

>>9691613
is it the same chinese every time?

[Anonymous No.9691709]

>>9683612
The sodium in MSG and salt is the sodium ion. Not the highly reactive sodium metal.

>>9682317
When we talk about "salt" in food, we're talking about sodium ion (chloride is not important). It's what you taste, and it's what your body uses as an electrolyte.

>>9682151
Salt and sugar are the things to watch out for. American Chinese is loaded with sugar.

[Anonymous No.9691714]

>>9682276
>drink it one gulp
Anon, I can give you a hint towards why you burp so much.

[Anonymous No.9691732]

>>9687758
Anon, salt in the culinary sense refer to sodium chloride. I know you're very proud of your 9th-grade-level understanding of general chemistry, but it's not particularly impressive.

[Anonymous No.9691880]

>>9683612
How do some people not know this..

[Anonymous No.9692053]

>>9691613
Could be some novel chinese plant you have intolerance against it, and I guess both an italian place and a chinese one would have imported, preserved noodles/spaghetti?

[Anonymous No.9692657]

Why is nutrition the only scientific field where everyone can disagree on everything?