who was in the wrong here?

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Anonymous Tue Jul 11 18:21:18 2017 No.9157225 [Reply] [Original]

who was in the wrong here?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 18:24:03 2017 No.9157234 >>9157225 The writer for several reasons -secretly thinking their friend is stupid -not ordering on the friend's behalf -writing the article at all

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 18:24:13 2017 No.9157235 >>9157225 You for making this shitty thread.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 18:24:39 2017 No.9157237 The person who eats at a gourmet sandwich shop. It's a fucking sandwich

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 18:24:59 2017 No.9157238 >>9157225 I have a graduate degree and don't know what that stuff is, aside from some kind of smoked Italian meat.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 18:25:50 2017 No.9157242 it is concerning that a grown up woman does not know what those ingredients are

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 18:26:57 2017 No.9157247 File: 11 KB, 234x215, download.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This is the most condescending thing I've ever read, the author belongs in a labor camp

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 18:27:10 2017 No.9157249 >>9157225 Pomadoro is just tomato in italian. Going to college doesn't make you speak italian. The friend going to the sandwich shop is just a classic college tool who thinks having a college degree makes him cultured.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 18:27:45 2017 No.9157250 Brooks isn't in the wrong. His article is about how the upper classes exclude people partly through cultural signifiers.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 18:28:59 2017 No.9157261 >>9157249 the writer is david brooks of nyt

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 18:34:59 2017 No.9157275 >>9157225 I didn't learn any Italian in university, so what does having only having a high school diploma have to do with it? This is some classist shit right here.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 18:37:56 2017 No.9157282 >>9157275 I believe subconscious classism is literally the point of the article.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 18:39:19 2017 No.9157284 >>9157225 >i took a poor friend to get a sandwich >i dont think she is good enough for a sandwich she cant make her way

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 18:40:25 2017 No.9157288 >>9157237 its just a regular sandwich with marginally better stuff at ten times the price

Anonymous Tue Jul 11 18:43:47 2017 No.9157305

>>9157250
translation
i like saying tomato in italian because im a tool
all my friends are tools so we get toggether to say tomato and masturbate each other while enjoying our farts
i think im excluding other people from something they dont want any part in in the first place
because im so far up my own asshole i dont have any objectivity about myself

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 18:45:34 2017 No.9157316 >>9157225 The writer for eating with people below his socioeconomic status.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 18:45:47 2017 No.9157320 >>9157305 That's about the gist of it, yeah. But I don't think he's wrong.

Anonymous Tue Jul 11 18:53:25 2017 No.9157347

>>9157320
there was this little sandwich shop everyone loved
they had simple stuff but also a list of 60 different sandwiches inlcuding all kinds of ingridients
you could get a cheap sandwich or a really fancy one, you paid for it and ate it like everyone else
i was around after not eating there in five years so i decided to get a sandwich, they turned it into a deli but kept the name, instead of 60 sandwiches they narrowed it down to ten, every sandwich had this entire paragraph of ingridients and descriptions, i got a bacon one or something, i dont remember anymore. It tasted like shit
the place looked really nice, shame it was completely empty

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 18:55:49 2017 No.9157356 >>9157225 David Brooks was always a classist cunt.

Anonymous Tue Jul 11 19:15:01 2017 No.9157412

>>9157356
Everyone in America is classist. People actually get angry when their class expectations are violated. You see it on this board all the time - middle and lower middle class Anons talking about what foods they think are pretentious. You know what that is? Class affirmation. Get one level down and you have people making fun of organic food and shying away from "foreign" foods. Or drinking wine. Because to them that's rich people shit and thus should be mocked. This goes unnoticed because most of us here are of the same social class, so we share the same prejudices. But it gets really obvious when you hang out with people substantially above or below you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 19:26:47 2017 No.9157437 File: 358 KB, 498x278, 1478287105281.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9157225 >tfw your date with an italian spanish degree exposes you on the internet for the complete moron you are

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 19:38:24 2017 No.9157470 >>9157412 Are you the guy who wrote an analysis of the poster that claimed to want to smash the disphit who posted a pic of himself at Taco Bell in fancy attire?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 19:45:33 2017 No.9157500 >>9157288 That's my point, and somehow they think they're better than the "friend" they pity

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 19:49:10 2017 No.9157511 >>9157500 Way to miss the point.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 19:49:48 2017 No.9157514 >>9157511 What point

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 19:53:23 2017 No.9157525 I'd say that the shop and every retard going there for thinking that having the ingredients in foreign language makes it classy and good.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 19:54:51 2017 No.9157529 >>9157225 is "eating mexican" a euphemism for muff diving?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 19:56:21 2017 No.9157535 >graduate high school with a degree >still can't understand hipster menus

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 20:00:17 2017 No.9157552 File: 73 KB, 895x666, ApplicationFrameHost_2017-07-11_16-59-15.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9157535 this hipster ass vegan restaurant opened near me recently, see if any of this sounds appealing to you

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>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 20:01:36 2017 No.9157556 File: 64 KB, 882x574, ApplicationFrameHost_2017-07-11_17-00-43.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9157555

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 20:03:05 2017 No.9157565 >>9157514 The point in the article

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 20:03:32 2017 No.9157566 >>9157565 What is it

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 20:03:47 2017 No.9157570 >>9157552 sounds fine, but i know that menu will have you shitting GREAT later

Anonymous Tue Jul 11 20:05:18 2017 No.9157576
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I've got a coworker like this. Whenever we go out for lunch to a reasonably priced but good place, he gets weird and quiet when the menu has nice things on it. He only wants to eat hamburgers and pizza. Basically a man-baby. Sometimes he'll agree to go to an actual expensive place but he'll get all weird with the staff, being demanding over trivial bullshit and criticizing the shit out of everything. I think he gets it from those TV shows where a chef eats "gourmet" food and criticizes it? It's embarrassing. What kind of fucked up childhood must these people have where they can't even enjoy food?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 20:06:11 2017 No.9157579 >>9157566 That their friend is a whiny little bitch who won't bother to try new things.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 20:22:01 2017 No.9157640 >>9157261 Then he shouldn't be such a cunty fag to his friend. Just because she doesn't understand italian doesn't mean she's stupid or below anyone. Also, just because he writes for the NYT doesn't automatically make him not a prick.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 20:22:23 2017 No.9157643 >>9157225 >serving food that isn't dinosaur shaped chicken nuggets Fucking elitist cucks, I bet they eat it while apologizing for being white This is exactly why Trump won

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 20:24:10 2017 No.9157650 >>9157579 It's a fucking tomato

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 20:32:43 2017 No.9157695 >>9157552 I can never tell if the title of the dish is supposed to describe the main feature with these menus, sometimes they'll list it again and others they'll just leave it up to fate

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 20:35:09 2017 No.9157702 stupid people don't like to be reminded that they're stupid

Anonymous Tue Jul 11 20:43:07 2017 No.9157742

>>9157470
Of course. It was a perfect example of someone feeling so strongly about their class norms that the idea of them being violated made that Anon feel violent. But it'[s exactly the way a boss on Wall St would feel if his second year associate showed up wearing anything less than Prada shoes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 20:46:09 2017 No.9157755 >>9157556 Lol no activated almonds. Are they even trying?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 20:49:58 2017 No.9157772 >>9157579 It's a sandwich. She probably experienced more variety eating Mexican food

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 20:52:12 2017 No.9157786 At first I came to make fun of OP for starting such a shit thread, but much entertainment ensued so congrats OP. 6/10 thread would read again

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 20:59:58 2017 No.9157828 >>9157576 I dated a girl for a while who would somehow manage to find the trashiest dish on the menu no matter where we went. >go to steakhouse >she orders chicken strips

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 21:03:27 2017 No.9157846 >>9157552 At those prices I could get the real thing with better sourced ingredients.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 21:06:58 2017 No.9157863 >>9157556 more restaurants should give their dishes an AKA

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 21:22:42 2017 No.9157911 >>9157640 That is the exact point the article is making. It's a shame OP posted the most inflammatory snippet.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 22:07:27 2017 No.9158087 >>9157261 Is that the guy who said firing an AR15 gave him PTSD and was then sent a custom leather tampon holster from the company he did the article on?

Anonymous Tue Jul 11 22:11:36 2017 No.9158111

>>9157643
Because voting for the richest guy just because he talks like an uncultured asshole is going to somehow further the cause of uncultured assholes everywhere? Protip:rich uncultured assholes are only out for themselves. At least real elitists feel some sense of noblesse oblige.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 22:16:19 2017 No.9158132 >>9157828 Why didn't you just tell her she couldn't eat that and/or order for her?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 22:18:11 2017 No.9158138 >thinking she was shocked at ingrediants with Italian names I've been that bitch, she froze because that's upwards of 20$ for A FUCKING SANDWHICH

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 22:21:57 2017 No.9158156 >>9158132 >Why didn't you just tell her she couldn't eat that How many dates have you gone on, little buddy?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 22:25:03 2017 No.9158166 >>9157225 The leftist.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 22:25:14 2017 No.9158167 >>9157650 Good shit lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 22:35:19 2017 No.9158204 >>9157238 Hello Jayhawk!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 22:42:52 2017 No.9158234 Coasties are fucking ridiculous

Anonymous Tue Jul 11 22:57:40 2017 No.9158285

Everyone is a cunt in this situation
>the author is a cunt for writing about his """friend""" like she is a baby
>the author is a cunt for not offering to help order food and explain what the items are (which would normally be fun if you are not a complete autist ex. 'oooh you NEED to try this')
>the author is a cunt for using this anecdote for a political point
>the author is a cunt for implicating that Mexican food is food for the uneducated

>the """friend""" is a cunt for not being willing to try new items
>the """friend""" is a cunt for not having already been exposed to gourmet sandwiches as an adult woman in NYC
>the """friend""" is a cunt for not being ballsy enough to recognize david brooks's condescension and push back when he suggested leaving

However I have definitely been in the author's shoes; after college I met up with an old high school friend and he insisted on eating at Red Robin while exploring the Seattle coastline when I suggested we have some fresh seafood and cocktails. we went to red robin because I didn't want to make him uncomfortable

Anonymous Tue Jul 11 23:03:06 2017 No.9158303

>>9158285
I have a similar problem with family trips. I'll always try to suggest some local places we pass or that I find on 'gle maps. But nope, outback or waffle house it is. They seem really terrified of the place being awful and would rather just take the safe guaranteed mediocrity.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 23:05:50 2017 No.9158314 >>9157529 No, eating the ass of someone who just took a shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 23:13:55 2017 No.9158344 >>9158303 To be fair, about 85% of the time I try a local place it ends up being complete dogshit.

Anonymous Tue Jul 11 23:14:10 2017 No.9158345

>>9158285
>I met up with an old high school friend and he insisted on eating at Red Robin while exploring the Seattle coastline when I suggested we have some fresh seafood and cocktails. we went to red robin because I didn't want to make him uncomfortable
And there's where it holds true. The question becomes why hold on to your old friends when you've moved beyond them and hanging out is just plain uncomfortable? It's a common theme in literature - you can never go home. And it's true. Once you've seen a bigger world you can't pretend your hometown is the baseline for normal, and it gets increasingly difficult to relate to others who do.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 23:19:58 2017 No.9158362 >>9157225 >capicollo Does this retard even have a high school diploma because he sure as fuck can't spell.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 11 23:36:46 2017 No.9158420 >>9158362 Either spelling is acceptable.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 00:40:10 2017 No.9158664 >>9158087 you're thinking of Gersh Kuntzman

Anonymous Wed Jul 12 00:51:31 2017 No.9158704

>>9157225
I know plenty of wops who never attended post-secondary. I'm sure they'd scoff at the baguette, order something with a side of vaffanculo, and leave me to wonder why my communications degree hasn't allowed me anywhere near that kind of grace in communicating my own disgust.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 00:53:04 2017 No.9158710 >>9158166 David Brooks is a republican, we don't know the supposed lunch partner's political affiliation.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 00:55:51 2017 No.9158727 >>9157225 The writer for being the definition of "smug liberal.' Seriously, this dudes a cunt.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 01:04:47 2017 No.9158758 >>9158704 Kek

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 01:24:18 2017 No.9158817 >>9157225 meh, more power to these types of people. Just don't ask me to go eat with you lol

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 03:14:42 2017 No.9159116 >>9158727 David Brooks is a well-known Republican and conservative, you pathetic dumb faggot.

Anonymous Wed Jul 12 03:22:36 2017 No.9159135

>>9157225

>who was in the wrong here?

Um, nobody?

The dude took a girl to a place she obviously wasn't comfortable at, realized she was uncomfortable, and then took her somewhere else.

He would have been a dick if he named and shamed her, but he was just recounting something that happened to him with an anonymous "friend". As someone who works at a restaurant and knows about food, I'm also frequently surprised that other people don't eat as well as I do, or spend as much time thinking about food. So what? I don't see how anybody was in the wrong, unless the girl said something like, "I love food! I eat everything?", and then this happened.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 03:38:14 2017 No.9159173 why are americans so fucking stupid

Anonymous Wed Jul 12 03:41:01 2017 No.9159178

>>9159135
Well the fact that he felt the need to mention she only had a highschool diploma is him trying to shame her. Why did he feel the need to mention it in the first place? It stops becoming a story about something that happened at lunch and becomes a story about my uneducated friend.

Anonymous Wed Jul 12 03:49:11 2017 No.9159196

>>9159178
>Why did he feel the need to mention it in the first place?

The story is meant to be illustrative of the article's thesis, which centers around culture divide between economic classes and social signifiers as barriers to class mobility. He's using educational attainment as his main form of class distinction in the article. It's not a particularly good article, nothing Brooks writes ever is, but it's not as bad as it sounds iwth the one segment snipped out of context either.

Anonymous Wed Jul 12 03:56:23 2017 No.9159218

>>9159178

>the fact that he felt the need to mention she only had a highschool diploma is him trying to shame her

I get what you're saying, but without context it's hard to say that he was explicitly trying to shame her. In the US going to college/university is considered where you learn critical thinking, and experience things outside of the echo chamber wherever you grew up - and also get crippling debt.

I honestly think the biggest problem in the world today is poverty and ignorance, and in this case he could definitely be making a comment about class divide, which is, desu, drastic in the States.

I don't know, but the discrepancy of how people grew up and live in the US is so drastic - even if you go to the same school as someone - that it really hits close to home. My dad was into science and got a PhD in engineering, while your dad worked construction and now owns his own contracting business; my house is twice as big as yours, but I still want to spend the night at your house, etc...

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 03:58:09 2017 No.9159224 >>9158345 I feel lucky that my best friends from highschool aren't stuck being idiots who eat at red robins exclusively.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 03:58:48 2017 No.9159225 >>9158138 My thought as well. If she's as lower class as this asshole writer likes to think she was probably calculating in her head how many meals she could cook at home for that money. I would be.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 04:00:20 2017 No.9159231 >>9157225 Should have just used that Google Translate app on her phone. It's the current year.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 04:00:22 2017 No.9159232 >>9158087 >sent a custom leather tampon holster That's just epic

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 04:02:10 2017 No.9159236 >>9158704 That's what I would have done

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 04:20:23 2017 No.9159277 >>9159218 >experience things outside of the echo chamber It's not like that anymore, sadly.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 04:25:11 2017 No.9159283 >>9157247 This.

Anonymous Wed Jul 12 04:30:48 2017 No.9159295

>only having a highschool degree makes you dumb
my father literally never graduated highschool, and has a more extensive history book collection than anybody else I know.
He is a polyglot, and builds custom motorcycles for work, owning his own business.

This writer sounds like the typical tousled faggot college graduate who believes himself better for taking a sociology minor and owning a blog. If I took him into a local Japanese joint, he would freeze up because he wouldn't know what anything is, since it's in fucking Japanese.

When Samir al-Hyeed called him Blockhead Joe, it cut journalism to its very core. Because it's completely true, they are a bunch of fucking blockheads who will never amount to anything, will never accomplish anything, and will die without note.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 04:31:10 2017 No.9159298 >>9158087 that's fucking amazing source me

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 04:32:04 2017 No.9159300 I love how the author manages to make his "friend" seem like an imbicile, make people who don't speak Italian appear to be uneducated, and that Mexican food is for retards.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 04:35:17 2017 No.9159304 >>9159218 >>9159196 If thats the case, why didn't he just say "my friend, who is from a lower income bracket" or "my friend, who might be considered to be from a low income household"

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 04:40:00 2017 No.9159309 >>9159304 Why don't you read the whole fucking article and find out. (Because he was making a point about education). https://nyti.ms/2v6qTq1

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 04:41:38 2017 No.9159312 >>9159304 Both of the posts you quoted explained why the correlation between education and class was important. It sounds like you're just bitter that you never got a proper education.

Anonymous Wed Jul 12 04:53:17 2017 No.9159332

Putting aside the fact taht you can be uneducated and still speak Italian, or the most highly educated person in the fucking world and not speak one word of Italian...

I'm dumb as shit and I don't even have a high school degree, let alone a college one. And I still wouldn't fucking "freeze up" in a fancy Italian gourmet fucking artisanal hipster faggot sandwich shop. Partially because I'm not fucking afraid of eating something I don't know, and partially because I have a mouth with which I can ask questions if I'm not sure what to order. Like, a little while ago a friend took me to one of those hipster bars where they have a zillion types of beer nobody's ever heard of before. So we sit down at a table, a waiter comes up and ask what we'd like. I tell him to just bring me a beer. Of course, he asks me what kind of beer. I tell him I don't know, what have you got? He tells me it'd take all day to list all the beers they've got. I think that's fucking stupid, variety is good but you're overdoing it. But whatever, when in Rome and all that, right? Nothing wrong with having a gimmick even if it's a dumb one. I'm not gonna be pissy about that. So I ask my friend who's been there before what's good, and then I order that. Problem solved, nobody got hurt, no need to be scared of spooky words I don't recognize, and I got a decent if somewhat too fruity beer.

Either the author's friend is some sort of sheltered baby or the story is made up to support whatever bullshit agenda the author is pushing. And I bet it's the latter.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 04:56:47 2017 No.9159338 >>9157261 >conservative wackjob What a surprise.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 04:58:17 2017 No.9159343 >>9159338 >NYT >conservative

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 04:58:34 2017 No.9159345 >>9159309 >Why don't you read the whole fucking article and find out. (Because he was making a point about education). Stop shilling for the NYT

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 05:03:06 2017 No.9159357 >>9159343 You realize the NYT publishes opinion both conservatives and liberals?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 05:04:11 2017 No.9159358 >>9159345 >reads one out of context quote >makes slew of assumptions >refuses to inform himself >accuses people of shilling Gonna go real far in life, moron.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 05:04:37 2017 No.9159360 >>9159357 sure fooled me

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 05:05:03 2017 No.9159361 File: 37 KB, 718x559, 0708-shia-labeouf-mug-wm-4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9159357 You realize you're an idiot who thinks there's a difference betwen neolibs and neocons, right? Keep reading Carlos Slim's rag.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 05:17:32 2017 No.9159383 >>9159361 t. breitbart reader

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 05:19:44 2017 No.9159389 this is next level condescending.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 05:21:01 2017 No.9159391 >>9159358 The OP is the asshole for posting the quote out of context then, idiot.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 05:52:30 2017 No.9159427 >>9159298 http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/firing-ar-15-horrifying-dangerous-loud-article-1.2673201

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 07:30:02 2017 No.9159555 >>9159343 The paper may not be as a whole, but he is.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 07:31:21 2017 No.9159559 File: 64 KB, 1024x768, shitposting.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9159361 >hurr there's a difference between a pedophile and an ephebophile the difference is not meaningful unless you are one of them

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 07:42:06 2017 No.9159574 >>9157225 I've got no idea what this shit means, was I supposed to learn it in university? I can only tell it's either super faggy, or a guido's place

Anonymous Wed Jul 12 08:01:19 2017 No.9159611
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>>9159574
Apparently yes according to this pompous faggot, I learnt italian in high school, padrino is godfather, pomodoro is tomato and the other things are just the names of certain cured meats, sopprasetta is a kind of salami and capocollo is what some people call gabagool and striata is just a kind of bread, never heard of it or seen it at any of the local italian bakers before though.

Also I don't even have a uni degree, fuck the police

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 09:02:24 2017 No.9159725 >>9157247 >>9159283 High school dropout flyovers detected.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 09:03:38 2017 No.9159732 File: 62 KB, 467x394, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9157437 >italian spanish

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 09:07:27 2017 No.9159742 ITT: butthurt white trash >The NYT is so elitist guise! This is why trump won!!!

Anonymous Wed Jul 12 11:17:03 2017 No.9160059

>>9159361
>You realize you're an idiot who thinks there's a difference betwen neolibs and neocons, right?

Sure there is. They don't even concern the same areas of policy, neoconservatives generally believe in a military interventionist foreign policy aimed at maintaining U.S. hegemony. On the other hand neoliberal just means a set of free market economic beliefs, deregulation, free trade, austerity, privatization of public sector functions, etc.

Don't use words you don't really understand.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 12:39:33 2017 No.9160238 >>9157225 You, for posting this.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 14:07:57 2017 No.9160480 >>9159312 But it doesn't make any sense. You could be a professor in physics and still not fucking speak Italian. You could be a professor and still not eat at fancy places for that matter. Many consider it a waste of money, no matter their income.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 14:10:24 2017 No.9160489 >>9160480 Just because some counter-examples exist doesn't mean that there isn't a general trend present. That's the nature of correlation.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 14:11:21 2017 No.9160495 >soppressata >capicollo >gourmet Wow, that deli is a big deal for the author, huh? She should visit a Costco. Really move on up.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 14:13:10 2017 No.9160501 >>9157552 literally all of it sounds good way too expensive tho

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 14:13:45 2017 No.9160505 >>9157225 how shit must be your local food industry that stuff like basic bitch italian cold cuts and french bread are considered "gourmet"?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 14:16:59 2017 No.9160513 >>9160480 It's not about speaking Italian any more than knowing what nigiri or sashimi is about speaking Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 14:41:47 2017 No.9160605 >>9157305 "Those grapes are probably sour anyway"

Anonymous Wed Jul 12 14:44:46 2017 No.9160617

My parents cooked probably 4 times a year on average. Almost everything we ate was from cans, except bagged salad. I remember reading the word "tortellini" somewhere and having no idea what it was for years. Then I saw some in a Publix and figured out that just different-shaped ravioli.
The thing is, I'm not stupid. I can read "pasta stuffed with cheese" on a package and figure out what tortellini is. I don't know off the top of my head what capicollo is (although I just looked it up, and it looks a lot like pancetta) but at a sandwich shop, I can just ask "What is this?" Like some hipster cuck is going to make fun of me for asking "Excuse me, what is capicollo?" If he does I'll call out his manager out and tell him one of his employees just disrespected a customer for daring to be curious about a menu item.
Does whoever wrote this think that poor people are or should be too ashamed of not knowing about Italian food to ask basic questions?

Anonymous Wed Jul 12 14:45:57 2017 No.9160620

>>9157576
I enjoy food but I don't like overpaying for food. I never go to resteraunts of my own accord and if i'm forced to for work or with friends, I'll always cast a vote for an 'affordable' option, but if we end up going to a fancy place i'll always buy the cheapest entree.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 14:48:56 2017 No.9160630 >>9159725 pretentious california welfare recipient detected

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 14:52:09 2017 No.9160637 >>9160480 >Many consider it a waste of money, no matter their income. That's my opinion too. But you know what? When I'm meeting with business clients I will happily go to a nice place because that's part of securing the deal.

Anonymous Wed Jul 12 14:59:30 2017 No.9160658

>>9160620
>I enjoy food but I don't like overpaying for food.
I am lucky enough to live in a city where it's possible to be both a cheapskate and a gourmand as long as you're willing to live in the less fashionable parts of town with immigrants. I go to nice fashionable places a few times a year, and enjoy the experience, but always roll my eyes when the bill comes. Because it's usually twice what I'm used to paying for food just as good at unfashionable places. I am so over the fine dining thing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 15:21:29 2017 No.9160739 >>9158111 The post you are replying to was mocking people who voted for Trump.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 15:23:39 2017 No.9160748 >>9159277 Yes, it is.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 15:24:50 2017 No.9160751 >>9160739 Poe's Law in action.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 15:25:16 2017 No.9160752 >>9160630 >welfare recipient >college Boy let me guess, you think you can go out to fancy places and eat a ribeye every night on food stamps don't you?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 15:25:51 2017 No.9160755 >>9157225 >only a high school degree The guys a confirmed asshole.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 15:26:30 2017 No.9160758 >>9160751 I dunno man I thought the dinosaur shaped chicken nuggets bit was a pretty good indicator that he was talking shit about people who say things like that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 15:28:12 2017 No.9160764 >>9160758 There are adults on this very board who eat chicken nuggets and consider it a perfectly normal thing.

Anonymous Wed Jul 12 16:06:30 2017 No.9160883

>>9158345
The same thing is happening with my friend, and I. He's 25, and still lives with his parents. He hadn't even traveled outside of the Houston area until he was 16 ffs(shitty parents). I even made a green text once about when him and his gf visited. Since being deployed, and having so many more experiences, I have fuck all in common with him anymore. Literally nothing. He's pretty dumb too.

Anonymous Wed Jul 12 16:13:19 2017 No.9160910

>>9160883
I can relate. I live in a major city, have traveled a lot and eat food from a wide variety of different cuisines. At family get togethers I run into relatives who've never left the towns they grew up in except to go to family get togethers. Conversation with them is a fucking chore.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 16:16:46 2017 No.9160924 BY GOYVID CROOKS FROM THE JEW JEWRK JEWMES

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 16:19:51 2017 No.9160933 File: 1.88 MB, 271x216, vegan muscle memory.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9157552 >vegan If I wanted to eat grass I'd just munch it off the ground instead of paying a nu-male cuck to put it on a plante

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 16:27:39 2017 No.9160954 File: 181 KB, 371x359, bface-dog.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9160933 That fucking image name, kek.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 16:44:11 2017 No.9161004 >>9157225 Is this when I tell black people that they're too stupid to figure out how to vote with a voter ID?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 16:50:07 2017 No.9161021 >>9160933 Yup, his uncle Ralph definitely stuck his weiner in his feeder...

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 16:50:17 2017 No.9161023 >>9157552 this reminds me of a place in San Diego that uses these type of namaste white bitch woke adjectives as the dish name, but the best part is when you order, you say "I feel x"

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 16:51:20 2017 No.9161027 >>9161004 >democrats are the REAL racists, not the republicans passing laws with the deliberate goal of making people less likely to vote against them!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 16:54:58 2017 No.9161040 >>9157249 This

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 16:55:43 2017 No.9161042 >>9159427 >kuntzman top kek

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 17:25:11 2017 No.9161125 >>9161027 If you can't figure out how get some kind of ID before it's time to vote then you probably shouldn't vote anyway because you're a legitimate retard.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 18:55:04 2017 No.9161442 >>9159611 lol @ the greek impression of other greeks

Anonymous Wed Jul 12 18:56:33 2017 No.9161450

>>9161027
Democrats have kept the black man as a vote slave since the 60s. Their lives in the cities were bad back then, and they're bad now. Cities are invariably Democrat controlled.

But sure, blame the Republicans. After all only one of our two stupid parties can be the good guy!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 19:29:25 2017 No.9161602 >>9157247 This Send em to the gulag

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 19:31:37 2017 No.9161613 >>9157225 Absolutely Bourgeois

Anonymous Wed Jul 12 19:41:21 2017 No.9161656

>>9161442
Before I went to the school where I learned Italian I was at a Greek owned private school, naturally being Greek owned meant all the rich Greek families sent their kids their.

A good lot of Greeks are legit retarded, lazy and some of the most untrustworthy people I've ever met man

I must say though that school had a mad canteen and some Greek food is pretty good

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 20:23:48 2017 No.9161851 >>9157225 Ameritards that think they're cultured and educated are absolutely fucking hilarious.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 12 20:29:54 2017 No.9161878 >>9161851 OBSESSED

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 01:44:07 2017 No.9162954 >>9157556 If the eggplant panini dropped the figs and added some chicken it might be pretty good >sixteen dollarydoos for that shit

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 01:47:33 2017 No.9162970 I don't really like it when I go out with coworkers, they order expensive ass shit with beers, and then expect me to cover the tab. Usually they get all mean about it too "my steak was good bro come on bro just cover for me"

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 01:53:54 2017 No.9162996 >>9157234 fpbp

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 05:25:37 2017 No.9163429 File: 199 KB, 1369x664, Untitled.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What do you want /CK?/

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 05:32:56 2017 No.9163439

>>9157225
>inviting a female friend and not paying for her part
>not helping her out in a situation she's clearly not familiar with thus preventing her from trying out something new that perhaps she would've liked, instead awkwardly bailing out
The writer was a fucking cunt.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 05:47:01 2017 No.9163457 >pull out phone >google the ingredients use your brain morans

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 06:27:08 2017 No.9163522 File: 973 KB, 1301x1080, 1499711393175.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9159725 I pity those who look over the best part of america and think disgusting cities are the best parts somehow

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 06:28:21 2017 No.9163523 >>9159357 I'd never believe it

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 06:30:58 2017 No.9163527 >>9158303 >>9158344 there's a reason mcdonalds operates a restraunt in nearly every freeway ramp

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 06:32:35 2017 No.9163530 >>9159332 >the story is made up to support whatever bullshit agenda the author is pushing. And I bet it's the latter. congratulations, you discovered how the media works!

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 06:34:26 2017 No.9163533 File: 9 KB, 112x112, dd3.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9161027 >you now require a government-issued ID to vote instead of just honoring who you say you are >this is racist and terrible

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 06:36:02 2017 No.9163534 File: 376 KB, 460x460, 1489775443912.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9161851 >look at me I've got 3000 years of peasants and wars I'm so cultured

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 07:22:34 2017 No.9163645 >gets a useless degree and is now a journalist at the nyt (lel) >thinks he can look down on someone with basically the same education >also >libshits admitting Mexican food is shit tier

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 07:26:02 2017 No.9163654
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>>9161125
>>9163533
>implying it's just about IDs
one specific action can be explained away as being about "voter security" or whatever

a pattern of actions has no other explanation than an attempt to deny certain people a say in elections on the basis of their race

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 07:27:36 2017 No.9163657 >>9157225 Why do American upper class snobs love to use European names for things rather than translate them? Do they not realize how pretentious it sounds?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 07:30:40 2017 No.9163662 >>9163654 so you're saying black people can't get ID's?

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 07:39:42 2017 No.9163674

>>9163662
whether, in principle, they can or cannot, has no bearing on their constitutional right, therefore it's irrelevant

also, remember, lawS, with an S, as in plural. voter ID is just ONE issue, redistricting and other acts

you argued that voter ID laws do not have a racist intent. as already stated, that may be a sound argument if the voter ID laws existed in a vacuum, but in the big picture, the intent is clear

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 07:41:31 2017 No.9163678

>>9163654
>a pattern of actions has no other explanation than an attempt to deny certain people a say in elections on the basis of their race
but that's wrong you fucking idiot.

it was done to prevent heavily democrat-voting areas from voting as easily, the fact that they're mostly black areas is coincidental - it stems from the fact that blacks overwhelmingly vote democrat.

It's scummy as all hell, sure, but it's not racism.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 07:44:07 2017 No.9163681 >>9163678 >you can't vote because party A represents your race-specific priorities and values better than party B >nah this is because you like party A not because of the REASONS you like party A mmmmkay

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 07:45:18 2017 No.9163683 Need a mod to get rid of this thread or I'm going to post my dick.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 07:49:20 2017 No.9163692 >>9163681 Think thoroughly about your posts before you click submit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 07:52:14 2017 No.9163700 File: 480 KB, 1080x1920, 1499422722519.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9163681 >voting based on race priorities >not racist You've defeated yourself. Just hang your head in shame and quietly leave the thread.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 07:53:50 2017 No.9163703

>>9157225
usually these meats are kept on display, and nothing was stopping him from translating pomodoro to tomato.
It's nothing americans are supposed to know since it's not part of their culture, plus we have too many of those cured meats to remember: I've never had soppressata since it's from the south, but I periodically eat sopressa which it's more common in north-east

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 07:54:16 2017 No.9163705 >>9163700 >racism isn't real because other people are also racist but in a different way sheltered little babby's first attempt at thinking about american race problems.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 07:58:07 2017 No.9163717 >>9163705 Nobody is arguing that racism isn't real fucktard. Take your strawmen elsewhere.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 07:58:50 2017 No.9163721 >>9163681 What does this even say? Why are you arguing against the truth?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 08:00:34 2017 No.9163725 >>9163717 >voting based on race priorities >not racist >You've defeated yourself. so what exactly is this supposed to mean? only white people can vote on race priorities? if blacks do it, it's invalid? doesn't that mean you've defeated yourself?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 08:03:52 2017 No.9163733 >>9163725 It means you leftists are all hypocrites.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 08:08:12 2017 No.9163745

>>9163733
like I said, you're sheltered. you think it's crazy that blacks not only might vote based on their own interests, some of which might conflict with the interests of whites, but that this is invalid and not at all how democracy is supposed to work.

somehow, in that small mind of yours, you've managed to conclude that conservative republicans have the correct understanding of how america is supposed to work, and that anyone who thinks blacks (or latinos, or asians, or anyone other than whites) should be permitted to vote according to their preferences, is some kind of confused radical.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 08:08:29 2017 No.9163746 >>9163674 that we need to make sure everyone voting is who they say they are and are a citizen?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 08:09:50 2017 No.9163750 >>9163700 >race priorities Can you be more specific? I can think of plenty examples of this that dont mean you are prejudiced against other races

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 08:11:59 2017 No.9163753 >>9161023 What place is that? I want to go there and act like an asshole

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 08:19:20 2017 No.9163776

>>9163745
Whites are not allowed to vote on their racial priorities in the modern world. Yet every other race can. This makes the left, which overlooks the fact that other races constantly vote on their racial priorities, hypocritical.

>Affirmative Action quotas that are stacked against whites
>Forced diversity instead of selecion based on merit
>Apparently border control is an "alt right" issue now rather than a Constitutional Mandate
And so on

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 08:21:54 2017 No.9163781
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>>9163776
>Whites are not allowed to vote on their racial priorities in the modern world. Yet every other race can
when you're used to privilege, equality feels like oppression
>waah waah muh grades
should have studied harder, becky

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 08:23:32 2017 No.9163787

>>9163750
The idea that there should be any other system other than equal opportunity regardless of race, is, in itself, racist.

If all races are the same, why do we need Affirmative Action programmes? Why don't Asians need them but Blacks do?
Democrats insult the very peoplw they claim to defend.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 08:25:43 2017 No.9163797 File: 245 KB, 768x1024, 1498866085826m.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9163781 >i cant debate so imma gonna troll xD Yeah fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 08:27:07 2017 No.9163801 >>9163787 Affirmative Action tend to harm whites and asians but that's okay because it helps everyone else. Logic!

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 08:31:01 2017 No.9163810

>>9163787
protecting the voting rights of all citizens is not oppression against whites, nor is it equivalent to quotas in college admissions

the fact that you're lumping them together is how I know you're an actual, die-hard racist, and not merely poorly informed

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 08:34:34 2017 No.9163815 >>9163810 >He thinks he is arguing with only one person The problem here is you eagerly denouncing decades-old episodes of white racism while trying to pretend other types of racism don't exist as well.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 08:36:47 2017 No.9163817

>>9163797
>I can't debate so imma call it trolling
let me clear this up for you since you don't seem to get it.

I'm asian. I'm not super enthusiastic about college quotas but I understand why they exist. I also understand that I'm considered a "good minority" as an accident of cold war history. I'm glad things turned out well for me, but I know who got the short end of the stick in this arrangement and it certainly wasn't whites

blacks and other disadvantaged minorities should be able to have their voice represented in government. this is how democracy is supposed to work. not redrawing districts and making up random new laws every 10 minutes based on sophisticated computer models designed to surgically target certain races and dilute their votes so that they don't count

now, since you know I'm asian, I guess you can decide if you want to call me a hypocrite, or a traitor, or a liar, or a troll, or just shriek about how you should have dropped more nukes and ping-pong asians in the library can't stop jabbering about their tsunami

as I said before, when you're used to privilege, equality feels like oppression

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 08:38:21 2017 No.9163820 >>9163810 You realise this is /ck/, right? If you're going to pick a retarded social injustice to rail against, at least make it food deserts or school lunches or something.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 08:41:01 2017 No.9163827 >>9163820 >it's off topic now that I've been BTFO like becky suing the admissions office years after graduation, you're a bit late on that buddy

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 08:45:56 2017 No.9163835
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>>9163827
Nigga I literally just came to /ck/ to see whether it was still the McChicken for everyone and this is my second post in this thread, do you understand how imageboards work?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 08:47:38 2017 No.9163838 >>9163835 this is my first post in the thread: >>9157576 you want to complain about someone, complain to the "oppressed" white people who turned this into a bitch fest about their ((economic anxiety))

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 08:49:06 2017 No.9163844 >>9163817 So naive. Other races are not your friends. You harm your own privilege so that lesser beings get free shit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 08:52:04 2017 No.9163850 >>9163844 >Other races are not your friends all the more reason to protect voting rights, cleetus

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 08:54:52 2017 No.9163855

>>9163787
>why do we need Affirmative Action programmes?
Because up until only 50 years ago, society functioned in a way in which all races were not considered the same (which meant their education and way of life was severely and deliberately hampered), and the results of that are still echoed today. It's a method of chemotherapy for the cancers of the past.
Just because we want to live in an equal society doesn't mean we are any more than aspiring to become a richfag makes you one.
>Why don't Asians need them but Blacks do?
Because their struggles are/were not the same. Why do you lump all non-white people together?
Regardless, in reality, affirmative action benefits white women more than other groups.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 08:55:20 2017 No.9163856 >>9163850 First whites, then you. Pay attention.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 09:02:24 2017 No.9163877

>>9163856
what does that even mean? is this some kind of alt-right apocalyptic fantasy?

a great way to guarantee outbreaks of mob violence is to eliminate even the pretense of democratic representation. look at what happened in newark in the 1960s.

democracies exist to allow people with disparate interests and values to co-exist and compromise, and to avoid breakdown into tribal warfare and street justice. I know that shooting at blacks in the street sounds "cool" to you, but that's because you are a fucking retard and probably have nothing in your life you legitimately want to defend.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 09:08:58 2017 No.9163897 >>9163877 Asian here as well. We're all making good money, soaking up that privilege (which in America might as well mean not being fucking poor). No need to rock the boat for a bunch of niggers and spics.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 09:10:37 2017 No.9163902 >>9163897 >H-Heh, I'm Asian too I swear t. weeb trash

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 09:22:14 2017 No.9163936

>>9163877

>Asian
>thinks his vote means anything

You know how I know I'm older than you? You don't count, junior. It doesn't matter how good your English is or how well you can recite the pledge of allegiance. Just make as much money as you can while you still can.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 09:24:44 2017 No.9163947

>>9163897
You're most likely not Asian, its mostly white people that like using racial slurs.

But even if you are, you're an idiot for not fighting for equality. Sure the discrimination works slightly in your favor for your first jobs, but despite the large numbers that get hired you're most likely to be passed over for any meaningful promotions over your white colleagues and 10 years down the line will be stuck in the same positions as other discriminated groups.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 09:28:01 2017 No.9163953 >>9163936 I'll be 39 in december, how old are you?

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 10:08:42 2017 No.9164043
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>>9163855
>Because their struggles are/were not the same.
Enough buzzwords.
Bring more substance.

In what way is a poor Hmong farmer from Laos fresh off the boat and with little grasp of English, more privileged than a Black person whose family has been here for generations with access to First World education and infraestructure?

Why should a poor white male from Appalachia be overlooked for an Ivy League university over a rich white girl?

>Regardless, in reality, affirmative action benefits white women more than other groups.
Then why support it?

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 10:15:12 2017 No.9164055

>>9163947
>You're most likely not Asian, its mostly white people that like using racial slurs.

Lol, what?
I've lived in many different places around the world since my family moved a lot due to my father's work. My current job does the same. I've lived around hardcore Brit nationalists, KKK central (Vidor, Texas), predominantly black areas of Chicago, Japan, Taiwan, Singapore, and South Africa. I've hung out with white gun-nut doomsday preppers getting ready for the "next race war".

The shit I overheard from Asians bashing other Asians in Singapore would make a KKK rally sound like a nursery rhyme. That is easily the most racism I have ever seen out of all those places.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 10:17:10 2017 No.9164062 >>9157225 Idk who's the bigger pleb The picky pleb or the pleb who thinks she's not a pleb for eating sandwiches

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 10:26:14 2017 No.9164082

>>9163855
>I want an equal society!
>But give ME special treatment because 100 years ago stuff was different!
Racism is racism, you fucking racist.
I'm sick and tired of every accomplishment I make being attributed to your white-guilt programs instead of my hard fucking work. Fuck off.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 10:33:58 2017 No.9164097

>>9157225
They're both wrong.

The writer for being an uppity fuck and taking their friend to a place that probably over charges for slightly better ingredients that the friend has never heard of and expecting them to just suck it up and buy it. Even more so for taking them somewhere like that and not offering to buy.

The friend for being too autistic to even ask the worker questions about their menu which they'd probably be happy to answer and help the friend feel more at ease and being able to make a decision.

The worker for not offering to answer questions about the menu and their ingredients thus closing the sale and providing good service.

And finally me for writing all these run-on sentences.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 10:35:01 2017 No.9164098

>>9157225
The journalist, obviously. Op-ed pieces can be personalized opinion, but it still should be rooted in fact. Unless he interviewed his "friend", and got her confirmation that she was uncomfortable with the sandwich shop (idiotic premise anyway), then he shouldn't have speculated using his stupid reasoning. It's hacks like him that give journalists a bad name, and I hope they fucking make him go back to being a staff researcher, so he'll learn from his unbearably fucking stupid mistake.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 10:47:25 2017 No.9164123

>>9163674
The intent of having a way of confirming which citizen can vote is bad?

What is stopping someone whose voting rights are stripped from voting? or a citizen of another country? The intent is clear, people should be who they say they are. If you get pulled over by the police see how long saying you're not having a form of state identification is just and righteous.

Redistricting happens on both sides and is a permanent part of our political system, deal with it.

The issue of voter id is not racist, nor is redistricting. You can't say its racist for some and not racist for others.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 10:53:05 2017 No.9164136 >>9164123 >both sides unfairly redistrict therefore we should all just be ok with it What a bizarre and unintelligent way of thinking.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 10:55:39 2017 No.9164140

>>9164097
I find it curious you don't have the friend's parents on your blame list.

The foods listed aren't anything wierd or exotic, they're very common. How is it possible to raise a child without exposure to those things? Wouldn't her parents have taken her out to various restaurants as she grew up? Wouldn't they prepare a variety of different foods at home?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 10:57:50 2017 No.9164141 >>9164136 Nobody said we should be OK with it. You're drawing a false conclusion. The point is that if both sides do it then it's clearly not an example of racist intent.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 10:58:33 2017 No.9164144 >>9164136 whataboutism is a favorite tactic of the alt-right

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 11:03:41 2017 No.9164157 >>9164055 >singapore the country where Indians riot and destroy shit because of a perception that Chinese are the only people with rights? perfect example of why intentional disenfranchisement is playing with fire

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 11:18:43 2017 No.9164202

>>9163787
This is exactly the way I thought before I realized how much racism against black and brown people was operating openly within our system, and I just hadn't noticed because I was a white guy, so it was pretty much under my radar. Affirmative action seemed so paternalistic and condescending to me. Then I hung with some black and brown friends and realized they were living in a totally different world than I was. The most striking difference is interactions with law enforcement. I have very little interaction with them, but among the little I've had most of it was talking my way out of two speeding tickets and a felony drug charge. But my darker friends get hassled by police all the time. Apparently driving while black is a thing. So is walking through the park. I seem to be invisible to law enforcement in a way they are not. This extends to other areas of life as well. Several times in my life I've gotten a job just by showing up to the interview in an expensive suit and a good pair of shoes and acting like I was both excited about the position and ever so slightly deferential to the authority of the interviewer. I guess the Ivy League degree on my CV helped, too. This is completely outside the experience of most of my darker friends, whose employment history is almost entirely due to low level connections among family and friends. So many people operate with a prejudice, whether conscious or unconscious it's amazing. When I'm interacting with a stranger who is darker than I am there's a very high chance I'm going to be called "sir" or "boss". That says a lot right there.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 11:25:20 2017 No.9164219

>>9163817
equal representation in government would imply equality of outcome.

That's another "we need four women on our design board, two of whom need to be black, one of which needs to have lost a limb"

Certain races are better at certain things. See european strongmen, and african runners. Don't be so naive as to think these differences are only physical. They are intellectual and cultural as well.

>should be ABLE to have their voice represented in gov.

They are able, we have no laws against people of color or 'disadvantaged' peoples in office

That's another "why aren't there women ceos!!!! sexism!!!"

Women and men make different choices and are better and worse at different things.

So are races, this is both a biological and cultural biproduct.

>the race and culture of white men who established very early, very effective government forms are successful in government
>heresy

No one cares that you're asian, the fact that you're bringing that up tells me you view your opinion as a different race different than mine (also not white if you wan't to use that point against me) despite the fact we are debating over ideas. The same idea from two people regardless of race is the same idea. You are not important, your ideas are. Stop pushing your own race into it. You are - not - important.

Lastly, we do not live in a pure democracy, we live in a constitutional republic, and districts and zones are an integral part of that. If you want to live in a pure democracy, or want to hold a constitutional republic to the same standards as a pure democracy, go ask dogs why they don't meow.

Also ching chong pingpong

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 11:34:14 2017 No.9164235 >>9157552 Jesus that pizza's probably a 6' or some shit

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 11:36:54 2017 No.9164241 >>9158138 Pretty sure this is it. I bet Brooks is the sort of asshole who doesn't understand what money is. The friend was staring in shock at the idea that they were about to have spent two-three hours of labor for a damn sandwich.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 11:38:38 2017 No.9164243 >>9164140 This is a good point. Especially when you consider that we are all products of our environment growing up, even as adults.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 11:39:33 2017 No.9164247

>>9164136

Tackling voter ID laws versus redistricting.

One of those issues is complex.

One of them is very simple.

Changing redistricting laws would require a major overhaul of our local and national political systems. That's trying to change a tire while the car is still moving. Bad idea. If you want le revolution to change our political system, state that. If you don't realise the intense gaming going on about this subject and the role it plays in congressional elections, and think it can be changed anywhere near as easily as voter id laws, you're a fool.

I live in practicality, and realise that smaller issue must be changed before larger ones. Practicality is not unintelligent. Dealing with someone != being okay with it.

If you just want to complain about it go ahead, as the only solution is a meme revolution towards a less effective political system. Don't be upset when people to tell you to deal with it, as the problem as no tangible solution presently.

You weenie

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 11:41:40 2017 No.9164251 >>9164219 You invalidated any point you thought you were making with that last bit of racism. Good job, sparky.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 11:43:00 2017 No.9164255
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>>9164202
>it's another episode of a rich privileged self hating white person who feels guilty while completely being unable to conceive that most white people don't share his experience

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 11:43:18 2017 No.9164257

>>9164202

Nigger what.

"black people told me they get pulled over a lot!"

Police are racist!

"I'm a generally law abiding citizen and the police don't bother me!"

Police are racist!

"I got a job with an ivy league degree, a good cv, nice clothes, and a good personality!"

R-r-r-r-racism!!!!!

"people call me sir!"

Maybe you command respect (unlikely)
My mother and father raised me to call strangers sir and ma'am.

People from a different culture than you are raised differently, and may have different cultural values. That's okay.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 11:45:36 2017 No.9164263

>>9164251

>You are not important, your ideas are. Stop pushing your own race into it. You are - not - important.

If you can't see the last comment was intentionally placed with the above for you to understand that no one cares about your race, and trivial words (as if ching chong ping pong were a serious insult?) mean nothing. The ideas do.

Try refuting my points or ideas, instead of going "he insulted me!!!"

people can insult you, they're allowed.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 11:45:57 2017 No.9164266

>>9164247
One is an actual problem though. Voter fraud isn't a thing that actually happens and nearly any money spent for it would be a waste when compared to other things it could be used on in the election process. Like securing voter registration databases.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 11:46:14 2017 No.9164269

>>9164202
This. And to be frank and honest, don't think I don't think to myself sometimes "Thank fuck I'm white." Because it's true, even if you're a poor, struggling white person (which I have been in the past), at least I never was hassled by cops for walking through a park, or suspiciously followed around a store, or anything that happens to even upper middle class black and brown people.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 11:49:58 2017 No.9164288 >>9159295 i'm willing to bet there are more non-highschool graduates that are dumb than non-highschool graduates that are polyglots with extensive history book collections, but you're right, generalizing is bad

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 11:50:02 2017 No.9164290

>>9164266

>voter fraud isn't a thing

Source?

>locks on doors are a waste of money
>because no one tries to open locked doors

Preventing voter fraud is a waste of money because it's successful that voter fraud doesn't happen en masse (according to you?)

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 11:50:22 2017 No.9164292 >>9157347 >TONIGHT ON KITCHEN NIGHTMARES

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 11:51:34 2017 No.9164298 >>9160752 nevermind, you're just a pretentious shitbag. carry on

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 11:51:47 2017 No.9164300 >>9164263 Ok then, I think you're a low-IQ person who deals in abstracts rather than reality. Also, I'm not the asian, so my assessment of your previous post is from a non-biased observer.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 11:54:33 2017 No.9164314 >>9160764 Adults eat tendies, the processed chicken product of the enlightened gentlemen. Nugs are for kids.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 11:56:58 2017 No.9164326

>>9164257
My point is that people make snap judgments about others based on their looks. I'm tall, white, male, well spoken and well dressed. Basically I look like a boss character from central casting. As a result I get treated that way. I haven't done any actual work in over five years - I get paid to pay attention to what's going on, then tell the people around me what they ought to be doing about it. Because I look the part people buy into it. If my skin were a few shades darker I wouldn't look the part. In my entire career I've only encountered one black man on my level, and he was actually something of a celebrity just for being one of the only black guys in this position.

I would call getting the job because you look the part a kind of racism when part of that look is being white.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 11:57:18 2017 No.9164329

>>9164300

Sure mr. non biased observer, as said in the post you replied to, if you can't see the point of me rambling about the importance of ideas over who they come from, and pairing it with a silly pingpong comment (remember where you are) then I don't think you're taking the time to try and consider my points.

You surely aren't taking the time to refute any of my points, rather just say I have a low IQ, and saying I deal in abstracts (without specifying)

To adjust my last post for your comfort

>people can insult people, they're allowed

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 11:59:36 2017 No.9164338

>>9164326

>i got the part because i looked like i filled the part
>what is acting

Also, white people tend to be bosses, and in positions of respect. Because they invented a highly successful culture that has contributed more than anyone else. I say they, as a nonwhite person (because apparently that's important)

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 12:02:04 2017 No.9164348 is it actually shameful to not know stuff? am i autistic for not having that shame? i ask what words mean, or how things work/what they do, or how people know things, etc. all the time it's a good way to learn and break ice with new people

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 12:04:45 2017 No.9164353 >>9164269 im middle upper class white man groomed, dressed and carried well and I get followed in non white areas. You're retarded and live in a bubble

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 12:05:04 2017 No.9164355

>>9164338
>Because they invented a highly successful culture that has contributed more than anyone else.
Depends on how you view history. You could just as easily say the English and Dutch set up a system through conquest that was rigged in their favor at the expense of darker people. The US literally inherited it.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 12:07:47 2017 No.9164365

>>9164329
>rambling

Well at least you admit it.
Also, ideas themselves may indeed be more important than where they come from, but in reality, if the person giving the idea doesn't suit the societal narrative, than it just causes wider divide and discontent. It does matter, in practicality.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 12:10:54 2017 No.9164373 >>9164353 >my personal experience means everyone else is wrong And you accuse others of "living in a bubble"? I live in the second most diverse city in the country, which is far, far away from living in a bubble, but nice try dumbass.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 12:14:16 2017 No.9164380 >>9164353 >middle upper class How much of your net worth is inheritance? If it's not a sizeable amount you're not upper class.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 12:15:41 2017 No.9164386

>>9164365

If we were talking face to face, then yes it would matter. You're talking to a screen. Why does my or anyone's race matter. It could all be fictional.

>>9164355

Show me who views the african tribesmen or the abos of australia as more successful, and I'll show you a fool.

How is conquering something rigging? Did the conquerors of the lesser nations do so not for their own gain?

Are you saying that the british empire should have been concerned about the well being of other societies before their own? Do you realise how ridiculous that is?

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 12:16:35 2017 No.9164394

>>9164355
>Rigged in our favor
Yeah we cheated and exterminated all the noble savage cultures with our evil white magick

Has nothing to do with the fact that we had at least rudimentary medicine and relatively advanced metalworking while many of these tribes we were coming into contact with had stopped advancing somewhere between the basics of agriculture and Mideast-tier textiles and pottery

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 12:19:59 2017 No.9164413 >>9164373 Living in a single specific city certainly can be a bubble. How many foreign countries have you visited? lived in? Have you lived in that city all your life or have you experienced life elsewhere?

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 12:27:25 2017 No.9164431

>>9164386
>Are you saying that the british empire should have been concerned about the well being of other societies before their own?
Not at all. I'm just saying you can't pretend the Anglo-Germanic capitalism game most of the world was forced to play isn't rigged to benefit tall white guys wearing suits and expensive shoes. That doesn't mean many great things didn't come out of it - in general it's a good system. But ignoring its obvious flaws isn't going to improve things.
>>9164394
>Has nothing to do with the fact that we had at least rudimentary medicine and relatively advanced metalworking while many of these tribes we were coming into contact with had stopped advancing somewhere between the basics of agriculture and Mideast-tier textiles and pottery
Good point. But does that justify enslaving them? Or in more modern times making them compete in an economic system we wrote the rules of for our own benefit? "Hey we're more advanced than you, so you have to play our game, and by the way, we always win." Of course you can continue to do that. But claiming it's fair or ethical is insane. And when they get angry and start rioting and blowing shit up you can't really accuse them of not playing fair.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 12:42:28 2017 No.9164487

>>9164431

Everyone wants to play the anglo germanic capitalism game because it's the best, and most effective. Participation is optional.

Not the other guy, but every culture has used slavery, some are just better at it than others. That is an inflammatory statement but very true. It is another part of human nature. Children will very often derive punishments and rewards about doing whatever the person wants for a day or something like that. I did it as a child,most did.

The extension of that mixed with the violence of humanity is slavery.

And yes, if I care about winning and I make a game, Im going to damn well make sure I always win. I have kids to feed.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 12:45:13 2017 No.9164492

>>9164431
>But ignoring its obvious flaws isn't going to improve things.
Capitalism has few flaws and none are serious. It has brought more wealth to more people in a shorter amount of time than any other economic or political system in human history. That is undeniable fact.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 12:49:35 2017 No.9164508

>>9164492
>Capitalism has few flaws and none are serious.
Poverty, war, patent abuse, untouchable multinational conglomerates, mega corporations, extreme income inequality, exploitation, erosion of labor rights, pollution, depletion of natural resources, urban blight

Yep, nothing serious here

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 12:59:34 2017 No.9164536

>>9157225
My takeaway from the article is that the man is pretty put of touch and supercilious. I didn't even finish high school but my interests lead to cultural exposure that let me know what these are. Not everybody can know or be exposed to everything. And a menu like that is especially hard because maybe she's heard them referred to as gabagool or supersaat because Italians have to have their own secret language. She probably felt too uncomfortable around him to ask. But at the same time if it's about establishments alienting people then she shouldn't be afraid to ask about the menu either. Like the first time people walk into a starbucks. You're not just gonna know what the hell they're on about.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 13:01:30 2017 No.9164541

>>9164508
>communism has few flaws and none of them are serious
Poverty, war, patent abuse, untouchable multinational conglomerates, mega corporations, extreme income inequality, exploitation, erosion of labor rights, pollution, depletion of natural resources, urban blight
>b-b-but that wasn't REAL communism!!!

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 13:02:43 2017 No.9164549

>>9164508
>Poverty, war,
Have existed since time immemorial and were much more common and worse before capitalism
>patent abuse, untouchable multinational conglomerates, mega corporations,
Fuck off with the buzzwords, and corporations are not a bad thing in and of themselves
>extreme income inequality, exploitation, erosion of labor rights,
You're describing the life of EVERYONE who wasn't royalty pre-capitalism
>pollution, depletion of natural resources,
Pollution is the only legitimate concern you've raised thus far, but even that and Depletion of natural resources is not exclusive to capitalism.
>urban blight
Is more an issue of politics' bad influences on the economy than the economy

I can tell you have little to no education in the field of economics. Read a fucking book, nigger.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 13:06:52 2017 No.9164558

>>9164508
Most of those have nothing to do with capitalism.
Poverty exists in every political system. Ask the millions who staved to death under Soviet Russia or China.
Patent abuse is a legal problem, not an economic one.
Income inequality exists in every economic system. Look at the USSR or China. The party bigwigs live like kings while the populace suffered.
And so on. None of this shit is unique to capitalism. In fact, most of it tends to be reduced under it.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 13:20:18 2017 No.9164614

>>9164487
>And yes, if I care about winning and I make a game, Im going to damn well make sure I always win. I have kids to feed.
Powerful rationale, to be sure. And you're a fool not to take advantage of the privilege that comes from the happy accident of your birth. But having done so the question becomes do you blindly accept the injustices that resulted in your privilege, or at the very least condemn the most horrific examples of it? I don't think you can consider yourself an ethical person if you fail to embrace the latter, even though it's so easy to ignore ugly shit that doesn't apply to you.
>>9164492
>Capitalism has few flaws and none are serious.
You've never studied economics I see. Smith pointed out the whole system doesn't work once you introduce Joint-stock companies (corporations) and trade unions. Also the inevitable boom and bust cycles of an unregulated speculative market are pretty shit for the average citizen. Also it sucks at dealing with the environment, workers' rights, healthcare and education - basically any necessary services that aren't fundamentally all that profitable get shit treatment under a capitalist system.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 14:10:05 2017 No.9164790 >>9157225 David brooks should honestly hang himself

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 14:24:29 2017 No.9164849 File: 120 KB, 250x355, IMG_0673.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9163683 Warned ya.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 14:26:59 2017 No.9164859 >>9163817 t. seattle resident

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 14:28:38 2017 No.9164865 >>9157237 >only idiots want quality ingredients and something different ok cleetus

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 14:29:30 2017 No.9164868

>>9164558
Capitalism is an economic system, not a political system. The political questions those living under a capitalist economic system must ask themselves is what role if any government ought to play in the areas where the interests of profit are sometimes at odds with the interests of the citizens. These areas include the environment, public health, public education, workers' rights, infrastructure, defense and justice.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 14:34:35 2017 No.9164880 >>9157225 >pomodoro Just bread and tomatoes? I hate you and the shop you were in. Your "friend" should get real friends and you should get a high speed lead implant to your tiny brain.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 14:39:34 2017 No.9164901
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>>9164326
>I'm a rich trustfund kid with a spoiled easy life
>Therefore you should make draconian discriminatory affirmative action laws that fuck over poor whites and Asians who never had my opportunities or upbringing
Fuck you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 14:41:34 2017 No.9164909 >>9157552 Top right might be quite nice if I were on a diet.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 14:57:48 2017 No.9164973

>>9164901
I'm not saying that at all. It would be super easy for me to just not give a fuck about the poor and do my thing. But I don't think that's ethical. I don't necessarily support affirmative action - that's some pretty short sighted shit. Also any policies that can be framed as pitting the interests of poor whites and blacks as being at odds with each other are totally abhorrent, given our history. But I recognize the playing field is tilted toward me. And had I been born brown or just as white but the son of a coal miner in WV that wouldn't be the case.

So I do see the role of the taxes I pay to help level the playing field, at least a little. And I wouldn't mind paying more if it were going to support education and opportunity for those of less lucky birth.

As for the racism thing it's undeniable it's built right into our system. And mandates and quotas aren't going to undo it. But better education and more just law enforcement might be a good start.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 15:04:35 2017 No.9164994

>>9164082
>100 years ago
The delusion is real with you. Maybe look at how America was run up until very recently before running your mouth.
>muh hard work! white guilt!
Literally what? Are you incapable of not injecting your feelings into every argument?

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 15:08:41 2017 No.9165008

>>9164043
>In what way is a poor Hmong farmer from Laos fresh off the boat and with little grasp of English, more privileged than a Black person whose family has been here for generations with access to First World education and infraestructure?
Do you really think most Asian people in America fit the description of "poor Hmong farmers from Laos fresh of the boat with little grasp of English"? Please tell me you're not that retarded.
>Why should a poor white male from Appalachia be overlooked for an Ivy League university over a rich white girl?
Maybe that rich white girl has better grades. In any case, it's more likely that that poor white male will be overlooked in favor of a rich white male in 99% of the cases, but because you only extend empathy to other white males, you are quick to point fingers at "others" (like women and non-white men, or god forbid, non-white women).
>Then why support it?
It's good in concept, while in practice it still has its issues.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 15:09:19 2017 No.9165010 >>9157234 writers are the scum of the earth.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 15:14:37 2017 No.9165023

>>9164868
>Capitalism is an economic system, not a political system.

Yes, that was my point. Many of the "problems" that people ascribe to capitalism are in fact political in origin instead.

>>The political questions those living under a capitalist economic system must ask themselves is what role if any government ought to play....

Correct. But the larger the role the government plays then the less "capitalist" the system becomes. When we are discussing problems with a combined capitalist-and-government economy, we need to be careful to identify which half (capitalist or government) is responsible for each problem.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 15:14:39 2017 No.9165024 >>9164973 You're a troll. Granted a subtle one but a troll all the same. Your secret safe-space club Reddit spacing gave you away. Nice try though.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 15:15:27 2017 No.9165026

>>9165008
>Do you really think most Asian people in America fit the description of "poor Hmong farmers from Laos fresh of the boat with little grasp of English"? Please tell me you're not that retarded.
So that makes them even more of a minority? Their situation does not matter because there's too few of them? And you are willing to completely fuck over those minorities to feed your perverted sense of social justice virtue signaling?

Is the idea that individual merit based on equality of opportunity, rather than arbitrary discrimination based on perceived past injustices, such a hard concept to grasp?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 15:15:44 2017 No.9165028 >>9165024 Reddit raid?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 15:16:41 2017 No.9165029 >>9165008 >it's more likely that that poor white male will be overlooked in favor of a rich white male in 99% of the cases, Because of racial quotas, the spots go to the most priveleged of that racial group ironic, isnt it

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 15:18:30 2017 No.9165040

>>9164994
>white guilt!
This term pretty much exists to undermine the idea of privilege, because as Americans we like to maintain the illusion that it doesn't exist. That way the privileged can carry on without any second thoughts about their position. That's kinda bullshit. In societies where privilege was openly accepted there was at least the concept of noblesse oblige, where the privileged were held to higher standards of ethics and service as a result of their privilege. That's a good idea, and it has nothing to do with white guilt.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 15:19:21 2017 No.9165043 >>9165024 Have you dipshits ever considered that people do that just to avoid having a wall off text? I don't even use that site but have to resort to clunky formatting on here just so a million faggots won't try to accuse me of being from there.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 15:23:15 2017 No.9165052 File: 69 KB, 373x373, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9165043 Fuck off. You know full well what you are doing. You've got to go back.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 15:24:03 2017 No.9165056 >>9157225 I don't get it Why did this offend someone? Did those words wrongly assume her gender or something?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 15:25:33 2017 No.9165063 >>9165056 Here we go.......

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 15:25:53 2017 No.9165064

>>9165023
>When we are discussing problems with a combined capitalist-and-government economy, we need to be careful to identify which half (capitalist or government) is responsible for each problem.
That becomes less a matter of fact than ideology, though. Economics is a very soft science, and which theories one tends to support are more often than not a function of one's political beliefs. On a national level politics and economics are intertwined, as are opinions about them.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 15:27:48 2017 No.9165071

>>9165026
>Their situation does not matter
Literally no one said this, except for you just now. Your hypothetical example was disingenuous as fuck, not reflective of reality and chosen to push a very skewed world view. All I did was point that out.
>Is the idea that individual merit based on equality of opportunity,
That's exactly what Affirmative Action is for, because it's been shown time and time again that without it, most institutions actually refuse to look at individual merit and would rather pick and choose over race (you can still see this through the fact that if your name is more "ethnic sounding", you are less likely to get a job, even if you have the same credentials displayed as a white person who would get employed).
This is because racism is still a thing that exists in 2017. You may not experience it, so it's not your problem, but that does not make it any less real. On the note of it not being your problem, you probably shouldn't be so fixated on it if you're not racist, either. Your life will go on whether or not it exists, and in the best case scenario, the equal society you're sheltered enough to believe in may actually become more plausible.
>rather than arbitrary discrimination based on perceived past injustices, such a hard concept to grasp?
Pray tell, who is being discriminated against when pretty much every institution that makes use of AA is still majority white/male and applicants for AA still not to reach a level of academic excellence in order for it to apply to them, and how are Jim Crowe laws, as well as rules that were put in place specifically to stop black people from having decent education or owning land only "perceived" past injustices? Educate me.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 15:29:22 2017 No.9165077 >>9165071 >still not to *still need to Made a typo.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 15:30:20 2017 No.9165084 >>9164288 >im sure exception exists :thinks:

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 15:31:03 2017 No.9165091

>>9165064
>which theories one tends to support are more often than not a function of one's political beliefs

That's why I'm suggesting that people do their best to focus on facts rather than their political opinions.

>>On a national level politics and economics are intertwined

Right. And that means that any criticism of the status quo is not a criticism of "capitalism", rather it's a criticism of a particular combination of capitalism and government policy. That's an important distinction to make because it shows us that government policies often can create more or different problems than the ones they aim to solve.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 15:31:47 2017 No.9165096 >>9165052 Where you live, faggot? I'd rather have a little conference.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 15:34:22 2017 No.9165110 >>9165029 The spots always went to the most privileged, though. In fact, before, they were even more nepotism-based.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 15:36:38 2017 No.9165117

>>9164541
>critique of capitalism
>"YEAH WELL FUCK COMMUNISM"

>>9164558
>poverty and inequality exist in every economic system
>lists capitalism and communism
oh my sweet summer child

>>9164549
if you believe that the political and economic sectors live in a bubble, you are hilariously uneducated. if the exact same problems arise no matter where capitalism resides, perhaps it is an emergent property of capitalism?

daily reminder there is a third position

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 15:44:14 2017 No.9165148

>>9165091
>it shows us that government policies often can create more or different problems than the ones they aim to solve.
There's always a trade off somewhere. I'd say some problems clearly inherent to capitalism are:
- doesn't work when large corporations are involved - things always tilt toward monopolies
- speculative boom and bust cycles
- while effective at lifting the wretched out of abject poverty it concentrates most of the wealth among a very few big winners
- discounts the value of the environment and the well being of workers

As I see it these are all things the government can choose to help mitigate, and in many countries with the world's highest standards of living that's exactly what it does.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 15:47:37 2017 No.9165165 >>9159173 ... and fat

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 15:49:06 2017 No.9165172 >>9165071 >pretty much every institution that makes use of AA is still majority white/male majority of college students are female asians are more likely to go to/graduate college than whites (have they not been oppressed?)

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 15:51:39 2017 No.9165181 >>9165110 sounds like we should help the underpriveleged (poor) instead of entire racial groups then

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 15:53:24 2017 No.9165185

>>9165071
>takes sociology 101 and 102
>decides himself enlightened
>becomes uncomfortable when jewish nepotism is mentioned and would rather not talk about jews when it comes to privilege and status in the upper echelons of society

You explain to me why merit-based is racist, and I will show you that some group is simply better. Raven-model IQ testing has shown noticeable differences in racial IQs, yet that apparently means nothing? It means nothing if a man with 130IQ is hit in the head to become 80IQ? He is just as capable as before?

I am the first person in my family to have graduated from college (with a Masters of Science in STEM), and am a 3rd gen. immigrant. Have you considered that perhaps people enjoy being with their own kind more? Is it racist for people to naturally coalesce in similar groups? Is it still racist if every single person on the planet does it? Is it something that should be changed, this innate quality to life?

You bring up Jim Crowe laws as if they still hold weight in contemporary society. Were you around for them? Were your parents? Exactly how many of your close friends were slaves? MY ancestors were slaves, they were impoverished farmers in Hungary for literal centuries, and almost all were unable to read or write a single word. My apologies if I don't have empathy for the ancestors of Africans whose countrymen sold them to Jews for firearms and cloth.

Leftism is a mental illness, and the only cure is to be put down, I'm afraid. You are blinded to reality, and prefer to be coddled in your soft-""""""""""""""""""""""""""science"""""""""""""""""""""""" courses in a privileged first world educational facility. I'm sure your life is rough, especially because you are able to complain about others who are more successful than you.

Perhaps if you FORCED people to be inclusive, they will learn to love it? I'm sure there is no way for that to backfire violently like in Sweden, Hungary, Poland, China, Indonesia, All of Africa, Germany, etc

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 15:55:41 2017 No.9165191

>>9165181
why?
It is always white people helping nonwhites. Literally every single time. To what end? What benefit to white people obtain for this outside of the destruction of their culture, safety, and race?

Ethnic food? 3,000 years of culture and race destroyed for kebabs.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 15:57:57 2017 No.9165204

>>9165172
>majority of college students are female
Googled this. All I found was data claiming that women graduate or receive bachelor's degrees 57% of the time, not that they make up the "majority of college students". Feel free to link me to a better source.
>asians are more likely to go to/graduate college than whites (have they not been oppressed?)
Not all oppression is exactly the same. Again: Why are you lumping all non-white people together? Is it that impossible for you to consider that there are different nuances in regards to how different races are treated in America? You're still huddling under the notion that "all races are treated exactly the same!!", but when faced with the idea of oppression, you split it into "whites are treated well and non-white people are oppressed!", as if "non-white" is a race in itself. Simplistic logic just doesn't work here.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 15:58:59 2017 No.9165211

>>9165181
But being poor and brown is a double whammy. You're not just poor, but it's harder to get a job because you're brown and you could get shot by the police at any moment. But you are right. Providing better education and opportunity to the poor ought to be a national priority, imo.
>>9165148
I guess I'm saying the political question of a government operating a capitalist economy becomes whether that government's allegiance is to capitalism itself or using capitalism as an engine to power a high standard of living for the citizens. I like the second option a lot more than the first.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 15:59:00 2017 No.9165214 >>9165181 The vast majority of people who make up the underprivileged are black, Native American or Hispanic.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 15:59:01 2017 No.9165215 >>9159309 What a fucking pointless and condescending article. No wonder that shithole is suck a mess. t. Left school at 15 and earning £72k min pa

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 16:00:06 2017 No.9165217 >>9157234 this. since when did people actually, literally, ironically think that they're smart because they got a degree in humanities that basically anyone who hasn't been shot through the skull can sleep through and get A's?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 16:00:52 2017 No.9165223 >>9157412 Speak for yourself aspie. As for the snippet, the writer was kinda douchey. The problem is why bother bringing the education level in it? Plus the shop is kinda douchey for replacing english with sone italian.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 16:01:22 2017 No.9165227
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>>9165071
>Literally no one said this, except for you just now.
Most Asian Americans are first or second generation immigrants from poor countries. Same with Indian Americans.

>That's exactly what Affirmative Action is for
No it's not, AA has nothing to do with individual merit.

>because it's been shown time and time again that without it, most institutions actually refuse to look at individual merit
Assuming that's true, then those institutions would need reforms to root out discriminatory practices, not reverse discrimination enforced by law to compensate for this perceived bias.

>you probably shouldn't be so fixated on it if you're not racist, either.
No, Affirmative Action goes against equality. There is no equal competition and no level playing field if things like this chart >>9164901 are allowed to happen.

>Pray tell, who is being discriminated against when pretty much every institution that makes use of AA is still majority white/male
Poor whites.

>applicants for AA still not to reach a level of academic excellence in order for it to apply to them
Excellence becomes irrelevant if you are Black (once again see chart), which both discriminates against Whites and Asians and devalues the efforts of those Blacks that do achieve academic excellence regardless of AA.

>and how are Jim Crowe laws, as well as rules that were put in place specifically to stop black people from having decent education or owning land only "perceived" past injustices?
Because it becomes a matter of perception on who suffered most. And it shouldn't be a victimhood competition but a forward-looking effort to erase racial boundaries.

Who the fuck are you to judge?
100 years ago Blacks were lynched. Well, 100 years ago Polish Jews were murdered in pogroms or Koreans were being oppressed by the Japanese.

Who are you to judge who suffered more disadvantages? How do you even judge such a thing? Is there a victimhood scale?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 16:03:06 2017 No.9165231 File: 904 KB, 500x532, IMG_5085.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] this is the most number of replies i've ever received on a /ck/ thread

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 16:04:02 2017 No.9165234 >>9165223 >Plus the shop is kinda douchey for replacing english with sone italian. Maybe it's run by Italians or Italian Americans. Their food words are, surprise, Italian!

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 16:04:50 2017 No.9165236

>>9165204

Because asians have been oppressed and denied their deserved standing in high society in this country for over a century. Up to and including today.

Look at the cringy #oscarssowhite debacle where even though blacks were OVERREPRESENTED compared to the population and hispanics/asians were underrepresented, the blacks got all the attention

go listen to jeremy lin talk about the horrible shit he had to hear in college and how he was completely overlooked because he was asian

But yet asians dont view themselves as a hopelessly oppressed subgroup, have kids in 2 parent households and put a premium on education ao THEY DO BETTER THAN WHITE PEOPLE.

Stop treating blacks/hispanics as some retarded child and let them take some agency over their lives. Yes the world isnt fair and a huge percentage of people have in-group preferences for their race,sex, and nationality. Better work through it because government ran programs to bandaid the problem just make it worse.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 16:07:23 2017 No.9165244 >>9165227 >Is there a victimhood scale? Not the Anon you're responding to, but here's a good test: Who is demonstrably still being discriminated against today? I'd say that's who rates on the victimhood scale.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 16:09:32 2017 No.9165248 >>9165214 thats wrong, though its amazing how ignorant people are of the existence of poor whites in america More white people are on food stamps than black, hispanic and native american combined

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 16:09:58 2017 No.9165250 >>9165234 Does the article say its owned by italians?

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 16:10:40 2017 No.9165252

>>9165185
>something something sociology and jewish nepotism
What the fuck are you talking about? Are you describing yourself? No one has even mentioned Jewish people thus far.
>I will show you that some group is simply better
They're not that much better just by the magic of genetics, but because American society very deliberately pushed down some other groups so it would be more difficult for their society to ever be equal, even with existing racial IQ differences. Your childish naivete has no place in reality.
>Raven-model IQ testing has shown noticeable differences in racial IQs, yet that apparently means nothing?
IQ is not as infallible a measure of intelligence as you'd like to believe. If anything, it's a reflection of a person's potential to learn, not their overall capability. But speaking of that, in regards to your "Jewish nepotism" comment, Jewish people are actually known to generally have higher IQs. What is it like to worship an argument when it suits you so you can discredit others, but pretend it doesn't exist (or outright deny it) when it turns on you?
>Have you considered that perhaps people enjoy being with their own kind more? [...]
More non-sequiturs.
>You bring up Jim Crowe laws as if they still hold weight in contemporary society.
It seems that you're incapable of understanding how the legacy of the past affects the present.
>Were you around for them? Were your parents? Exactly how many of your close friends were slaves?
My parents and grandparents were certainly around for a shitload of the most racist tenets of American society, yes.
>MY ancestors were slaves, they were impoverished farmers in Hungary for literal centuries,
Serfs were not slaves. Regardless, I like how for you, your ancestors going through hardship is enough to make you some sort of success story, but for everyone else, it has to be their parents or they themselves or it doesn't count
Cont.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 16:11:54 2017 No.9165257 >>9165250 You think I read that shit?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 16:13:17 2017 No.9165261 >>9165257 No or else you would have sourced

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 16:15:59 2017 No.9165276 File: 43 KB, 225x425, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9165211 >but it's harder to get a job because you're brown and you could get shot by the police at any moment. fucking hell, the media has really worked a number on you, huh?

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 16:17:26 2017 No.9165281

>>9165185
>I am the first person in my family to have graduated from college (with a Masters of Science in STEM), and am a 3rd gen. immigrant.
It would be harder for you to succeed or get accepted to any colleges in the US without AA if instead of a Hungarian white person, you were an American black person. Plugging your ears and pretending not to know this doesn't change that it's true.
>My apologies if I don't have empathy for the ancestors of Africans whose countrymen sold them to Jews for firearms and cloth.
Why are you so obsessed with Jewish people?
>Leftism is a mental illness, and the only cure is to be put down, I'm afraid. You are blinded to reality, and prefer to be coddled in your soft-""""""""""""""""""""""""""science"""""""""""""""""""""""" courses in a privileged first world educational facility. I'm sure your life is rough, especially because you are able to complain about others who are more successful than you.
More projection. It's funny because you're actually talking about yourself. The truth inconveniences you, it makes you feel "guilty", so you lash out. If the effects of slavery is all from the actions of "dem evil Jews" and not other people who happen to share a race with you, then you wouldn't be trying so hard to downplay them. Still don't know where you're getting that sociology stuff from, I'm going to assume someone who fit that description hurt your feelings once and you still haven't recovered.
>All of Africa
Funny you say that, as Mauritius, one of the most successful countries in Africa, is an example of a successful country that takes into account inclusivity in race, religion, etc.
Hope you enjoyed your rant, anon.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 16:20:13 2017 No.9165289 >>9165185 >Leftism is a mental illness, and the only cure is to be put down, I'm afraid Bullshit negro, when I was a teenager I was as far left as possible. Every year since my seventeenth birthday I've moved closer to the right.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 16:20:46 2017 No.9165290

>>9165261
I'm just saying it shouldn't seem weird to see Italian food names in an upscale sandwich shop, as Italian cured meats like prosciutto, sopressata and bresaola are very popular.
>>9165276
What that chart says to me is that where people live is still heavily segregated.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 16:21:06 2017 No.9165293

>>9164614

Apologies for the delay. I can actively condemn the actions taken in the present day that I consider injustice.

Condemning actions taking hundreds of years ago for the benefit of ?who? does nothing.

I consider myself an ethical person. You may not. And yes it is easy to ignore shit that doesn't apply to me, as it doesn't apply to me. Have you committed your life to actively stopping the brutal rapes and murders throughout africa?

If you haven't why are you so unethical?

Your privilege is being wasted!

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 16:26:05 2017 No.9165309 >>9165290 Thats different than saying tomato in italian. Prosciutto is specific

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 16:27:22 2017 No.9165313

>>9165227
>Most Asian Americans are first or second generation immigrants from poor countries. Same with Indian Americans.
Got a source? IIRC, a lot of these immigrant families are far from poor Hmong farmers, too.
>No it's not, AA has nothing to do with individual merit.
It's better than the standards that existed before it.
>those institutions would need reforms to root out discriminatory practices, not reverse discrimination enforced by law to compensate for this perceived bias.
>implying there haven't been attempts at reforms, and that they haven't been weaseled out of several times by institutions
Having a clear quota to fill makes it hard for them to get around the idea of not being overtly racist in their acceptance rates.
>There is no equal competition and no level playing field if things like this chart >>9164901 are allowed to happen.
That chart looks like it was made by some guy in MS Paint with a very shoddy attempt at a source. I'd like to see something more tangible and reputable before I parse its validity.
>Poor whites.
If they have good grades, they have a far better chance than poor black people.
>Excellence becomes irrelevant if you are Black (once again see chart)
Once again, that chart looks pretty dismal, I wouldn't use it as a reference to anything without evidence.
>Because it becomes a matter of perception on who suffered most.
To you, maybe. When speaking of society as a whole, it's a matter of reality and how the past has defined the present.
>And it shouldn't be a victimhood competition but a forward-looking effort to erase racial boundaries.
This is what you are literally standing against by denying reality with this "All races are equal, so we just shouldn't acknowledge race anywhere and act like everything is the same for everyone" narrative.
No one is talking about who suffered "more" disadvantages, it's about what these disadvantages have done to affect the lives of people today.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 16:28:38 2017 No.9165319

>>9165252
>American society very deliberately pushed down some other groups so it would be more difficult for their society to ever be equal
You're both wrong. There's no evidence that the IQ correlation between races is causative, as IQ follows economic status much more closely, and there's even less evidence that there is any remaining systemic racial discrimination in America, unless you count affirmative action, which prioritizes blacks and hispanics over whites and asians.
>My parents and grandparents were certainly around for a shitload of the most racist tenets of American society
Why do you feel the need to take responsibility for actions you didn't take, that you would not take? The rest of the internet doesn't have to join you in post-liberal simpering about how good the poor black people are because you were mortified once hearing your grandfather say the word nigger.
>Serfs were not slaves
Blacks in America were serfs, then, not slaves. SOME of them were merely impoverished rather than legally owned, SOME of them even had the wealth to purchase other people, therefore there was never a single black slave.
>your ancestors going through hardship is enough to make you some sort of success story, but for everyone else, it has to be their parents or they themselves or it doesn't count
He's pointing out that people who looked like him were oppressed in the past just like people who looked like modern black Americans were oppressed in the past and that he's turned out fine.
>It seems that you're incapable of understanding how the legacy of the past affects the present.
Nice 5 dollar words, but budget some brainpower towards making a point. Present a positive case that a law that is no longer enforced continues to impact a community in the way you say it does on some fraction of the time scale of almost a century we are talking about here.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 16:31:00 2017 No.9165322

>>9165252
>No one has even mentioned Jewish people thus far.
Jews are conveniently NEVER mentioned in sociology, because it destroys the entire narrative of whitey being the devil. People who did the african slaving? Jews. People who pushed for war in far off lands? Jews. People who own the predatory financial system? Jews. People who own the communication systems? Jews. The list goes on, every "oppressive" vehicle is owned by Jews, which is an untouchable minority in the eyes of leftists.
>They're not that much better just by the magic of genetics, but because American society very deliberately pushed down some other groups so it would be more difficult for their society to ever be equal, even with existing racial IQ differences.
Explain how some non-white groups to remarkably better than blacks, who are on average ~30% white by DNA?

>IQ is not as infallible a measure of intelligence as you'd like to believe.
It is simply a measure of pattern recognition, devoid of any cultural influence. There have been numerous looks into third-party verified IQ results of east-asians and jews that have come up wildly different than the self-reported scores from China and Israel. How interesting.

>legacy of the past
grandparents were immigrants, speaking of legacies. how many whites owned slaves as a percentage of colonial america? and jews? :thinking:

>serfs were not slaves
lmao@u

this is the blindness I spoke of. You are so violent in your hate for western civilization you look past any and all ills done by non-whites and magnify everything done by jews and put them on white society as a whole.
I would feel bad for you, but you are like a developmentally delayed child.

Tell me more how being a first world 30% white ""african american"" is worse than being a starving peasant in the wartorn fields of hungary. Please tell me how having a reliable source of food, shelter, and clothing is worse than living in unimaginable poverty for centuries upon centuries, I'll wait.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 16:34:27 2017 No.9165333 >when your shitpost causes a vigorous political debate on /ck/

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 16:35:37 2017 No.9165335

>>9165293
I'm don't care about any shit that happened hundreds of years ago, except as part of the historic explanation for how we got to where we are today.
>Have you committed your life to actively stopping the brutal rapes and murders throughout africa?
That has nothing to do with the position of privilege that I happen to be in. On the other hand the law enforcement and justice system my taxes pay for discriminates heavily against brown people, and that is related to my privilege. So I'll condemn that.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 16:36:42 2017 No.9165337

>>9157225
I'm curious to know just how much of that snippet was exaggerated. It's very easy to change a situation in order to make the reader sympathize with the person who is in the "right", so in this case it would be the writer. Did she really freeze up and nod anxiously? Was it really because of the ingredients listed? She could have said it was because of the price, maybe she was just completely uninterested, but he could have changed the story up in his favor and no one would know.

It's pretty stupid to try and prove a point in this manner though. He could have taken someone who dropped out of middle school but understood at least written Italian and it would have gone more smoothly. He could have taken someone with a PhD in medicine who didn't understand Italian whatsoever and he could have gotten a similar response. If we swap the situation around and his friend took him to a full-on Vietnamese or Chinese restaurant, what are the odds he would have been "uncomfortable" by the moonrunes? If he's trying to say that being mono/bi/multilingual but just not knowing the language for a specific, possibly uncommon situation makes you unintelligent then I wouldn't know what to say.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 16:39:29 2017 No.9165341

>>9165319
>Why do you feel the need to take responsibility for actions you didn't take, that you would not take? The rest of the internet doesn't have to join you in post-liberal simpering about how good the poor black people are because you were mortified once hearing your grandfather say the word nigger.
I think you've grossly misread my post.
>Blacks in America were serfs, then, not slaves.
Serfs work off their debts. Slaves work for the rest of their lives until by some mercy they are freed. Your cases of "SOME" were not as common as you'd like to believe.
>there's even less evidence that there is any remaining systemic racial discrimination in America, unless you count affirmative action, which prioritizes blacks and hispanics over whites and asians.
>Present a positive case that a law that is no longer enforced continues to impact a community in the way you say it does on some fraction of the time scale of almost a century we are talking about here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_the_United_States#Present
You could literally have just checked Wikipedia for this.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 16:41:58 2017 No.9165350

>>9165281
>AA
except every single look into the acceptance rates says otherwise, if and only if the credentials are identical. If two people, white/black, both have a 3.5GPA, the black person will get into more colleges than the white one. If you take the AVERAGE white person compared to the AVERAGE black person, and the AVERAGE white person does better, what does that tell you? If you are a leftist, it's that society is racist because blacks cant compete in a merit-based system.

>jews
Why do sociologists ignore them? Two sides to every coin.

>More projection. It's funny because you're actually talking about yourself. (continues into projection)
oh the ironing. Historically, yes, slavery is almost entirely perpetrated by Jews. I'm sorry that historical fact offends you. Jews also committed almost all of fraud, coin clipping, blood libel, tax evasion, and ethnic insurrection for most of humanities history, as well. Funny how this is never mentioned, and that Jews as a whole are never mentioned in sociology.
Tell me of the ills of western civilization, as you use a private website on a private webserver with electricity, air conditioning, food, textile, roman block lettering, without disease, all of your teeth, in english, please.

>including mauritius as an example of african inclusivity
you mean the dutch/french/english colony? the one with ~1m population in the middle of the ocean? you use this as a shining beacon of africa? an island colony so far removed from africa that it's off the coast of madagascar?
Why not use Hawai'i as an example for how inclusive the united states is?
It's literally just a vacation/money laundering republic, its demographics have absolutely nothing to do with it you retarded cunt.

It would be funny if you weren't serious, but I can smell your cat-eye glasses, short stature, spindly nature, and dyed hair from here.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 16:45:41 2017 No.9165361

>>9165289
I was a transtrending gay space communist in 2012 and I'm whatever kind of epic enlightened alt-centrist I am now. People as closed-minded as you need to go out into the woods and drop acid or something. Not because there's anything magical and enlightening about LSD, but just because I can tell already that that's the kind of thing you would never do and that you desperately need to be dragged out of your comfort zone.

>>9165281
>Whatever you went through would have been harder if you were black
You can say this all you like, but you will never be able to back it up. A black person who applied himself and went after an affirmative action program and some of those black-only scholarships could potentially have succeeded WAY more easily than the person you're arguing with. Or they might have had a terrible family and grown up in the ghetto and failed to graduate high school. This white dude could have grown up in the ghetto with a terrible family and achieved what he's achieved. You cannot know, because you cannot work backwards from generalizations into the experience of individuals.
>the whole Jew thing
I know, right? Really, it was the Muslim Kaffir states who did all that slave trading. Pretty much invented it, really. Someone's a bit misinformed.
>Mauritius
Oh look at me I know one factoid about this African nation composed of two main islands and a few outliers. Seriously, this is just an absurd example to use when discussing international politics. I might as well say Shariah law works because Qatar. There's this thing called sample size.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 16:45:48 2017 No.9165362 >>9165335 >my taxes pay for discriminates heavily against brown people The question is why.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 16:48:29 2017 No.9165375

>>9165322
>Jews are conveniently NEVER mentioned in sociology, because it destroys the entire narrative of whitey being the devil. People who did the african slaving? Jews. People who pushed for war in far off lands? Jews. People who own the predatory financial system? Jews. People who own the communication systems? Jews. The list goes on, every "oppressive" vehicle is owned by Jews, which is an untouchable minority in the eyes of leftists.
Then why are you arguing so hard that those things "the Jews" did weren't such a big deal or weren't oppressive? How does it affect you?
Also, I'd point out that Ashkenazi Jews (aka the sort of Jews you are probably most familiar with, and blame for everything) are European by DNA, but that might make your head explode.
>Explain how some non-white groups to remarkably better than blacks, who are on average ~30% white by DNA?
"Non-white" is not a singular race, and not all racial groups were treated the same way.
>It is simply a measure of pattern recognition, devoid of any cultural influence
Some cultures are more oriented to pattern recognition than others. For a more obvious example, tests conducted on the Himba people of Namibia showed that they notice details and patterns in things that "other" groups often fail to pick up on. They even noticed more subtle changes in sound. This is because their environment made such observance necessary and beneficial to their way of life.
>this is the blindness I spoke of. You are so violent in your hate for western civilization you look past any and all ills done by non-whites and magnify everything done by jews and put them on white society as a whole. I would feel bad for you, but you are like a developmentally delayed child.
Literally what? You sound psychotic. I never "looked past" any ills of anyone, or magnified anything done by Jewish people.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 16:48:31 2017 No.9165376 >>9163645 David Brooks is conservative

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 16:48:40 2017 No.9165378

>>9165313
>It's better than the standards that existed before it.
not an argument for its continued existence, next!

>Having a clear quota to fill makes it hard for them to get around the idea of not being overtly racist in their acceptance rates.
no longer merit based as merit is no longer taken into account. This results in a lower quality of black graduates, and due to this, actually talents black graduates are looked down upon as getting a welfare degree without any actual ability, effectively HARMING genuine black graduates. Next!

>If they have good grades, they have a far better chance than poor black people.
you already covered this in your AA speach, the black has a better chance if grade parity is in effect due to quotas. Next!

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 16:50:29 2017 No.9165387 >>9165362 Institutional racism. Like I said before I'm invisible to cops in a way my brown friends most definitely are not. When enforcement is targeted toward brown people guess who is going to get locked up the most?

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 16:53:12 2017 No.9165390

>>9165375
>Ashkenazi Jews are European by DNA
>this specific group of jews that have been genetically and culturally distinct from europeans since the dawn of time are actually europeans!
nope, try again my friend. Ashk. Jews are as genetically european as afrikaners are genetically african

>"Non-white" is not a singular race, and not all racial groups were treated the same way.
nice attempt at a dodge. Explain how east asian immigrants perform better than established black americans? IS there a white conspiracy to help chinese immigrants that has developed somehow without anybody knowing? expand upon your thesis, and please stop trying to dodge such a softball of a question

>Some cultures are more oriented to pattern recognition than others.
pattern recognition IS intelligence. Everything from music, to language, to math, is pattern recognition. By saying that pattern recognition is racist, you are flatly stating that some races are innately less intelligent than others in all markers that make up a civilization.

>never looked past ills
>looks past jews
:thinks:

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 16:54:15 2017 No.9165396 >>9165387 >commit more crimes >get arrested more Are you saying that all police forces all over the world are racist? Because blacks have a disgustingly higher rate of violent crime in LITERALLY every single country on the planet.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 16:55:09 2017 No.9165400 >>9165361 At first I didn't know what the fuck you were trying to say regarding LSD, but I do agree that I need to leave my comfort zone more.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 16:56:06 2017 No.9165405

>>9165341
>I think you've grossly misread my point
You haven't made a point. All your posts are thesaurus vomit. This is why people are calling you a university cuck and other meme words-you obviously understand the language used in arguments and not the logic used to argue.
>More nitpicking about what a serf vs a slave is
First you said white people were serfs, not slaves, and vice versa for black people. Now you admit that some blacks were serfs and some whites were slaves, but because "some" is not "all," "some" is actually "none." I wouldn't actually like to believe that a high number of white people were kept as slaves, because I don't like to think that slavery was EVEN WORSE THAN IT REALLY WAS. You're the one who'd like to believe there were more slaves. You just can't reconcile it with your racially coded idea of what a slave is.
>citing wikipedia
Okay this is a /pol/tard trolling trying to push people into race realism and I legitimately feel stupid for taking the bait this long.
You know how citing wikipedia looks, you know wikipedia has a political bias, and if the data you're presenting is worth presenting, you literally could have gone to the sources from the wikipedia article and provided relevant ones.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 16:56:17 2017 No.9165407 >>9165375 >Also, I'd point out that Ashkenazi Jews (aka the sort of Jews you are probably most familiar with, and blame for everything) are European by DNA, but that might make your head explode. What the fuck are you TALKING about

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 16:57:40 2017 No.9165411 >>9165375 >jews are europeans, goy! holy fuck you are dumb or trolling Daily reminder, kids: This is your brain on leftist cummies.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 16:59:49 2017 No.9165424

>>9165400
Probably a degenerate way of solving my problems, but LSD killed whatever it was in me that made me believe I was a female trapped in a male body. Once I got that problem out of the way, I was able to start being happy, become less radical, make friends again. Speaking earnestly, I don't recommend using my method-drugs are bad unless they're being used for medical reasons and what I did was dangerous self-medicating at best. I really wish I had a safer recommendation for a way to achieve the same effect. It can definitely be done without drugs, something just needs to shake your convictions to the core.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 17:20:50 2017 No.9165504

>>9165396
>Are you saying that all police forces all over the world are racist?
Racism is everywhere, and the darker you are the more you're looked down upon. All over the world, even in Africa. So enforcement's attention is on those at the bottom of the heap. But being at the bottom also makes you more likely to commit violent crime because you feel like you have nothing to lose by doing so.

I'm a well off Ivy educated white guy who caught my first wife cheating years ago. I walked into the kitchen and longingly looked at my chef's knife. It would have felt so right to cut up the two of them, and I doubt I would have had any remorse over it. But I stopped myself because I had WAY too much to lose in this situation. The cost of giving in to my justifiable rage was just too high, But if in that moment I'd honestly felt like I had nothing to lose I would have totally cut a bitch.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 17:23:02 2017 No.9165515 >>9165504 Lol cuck

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 17:24:48 2017 No.9165522 >>9165515 literally

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 17:30:06 2017 No.9165546 >>9165504 >unironic cuckold >leftists I really do have a terrible stutter.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 17:36:32 2017 No.9165567

>>9165546
>leftists
Only by American standards. In Europe I'd be considered center or slightly center-right, because I believe in a free market system, I just expect the government to keep it from becoming predatory and redistribute some of the profits from that system in the form of education, healthcare and the like so all citizens benefit from it, not just the big winners.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 17:42:28 2017 No.9165599 >>9165567 >thinks leftism is a strictly american term jesus christ dude i feel the pathetic aura about you

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 17:50:37 2017 No.9165632 >>9165599 Most of the American left is really center right. That's how far things have moved to the right over the last few decades.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 20:34:09 2017 No.9166266 >>9164247 >hurr durr we should only look at one problem at a time Just because you're too stupid to think about more than one issue at once doesn't mean we all should be. Kill yourself.

Anonymous Thu Jul 13 20:46:04 2017 No.9166304

>>9166266

One problem could be solved within four years, the other could be solved in either a) six months of grand casualty heavy revolution) or decades or b) one congressional term

Where did I imply I was only looking at one issue at a time?

Again, you 'looking' at both (how am I talking about both issues without having looked at one? (think about that)) is only delaying progress on what we can actually make progress on.

If you don't like the system of government, and are going to complain about it, either leave, or present a solution. Unless you just want to vent, then say so and we'll listen.

So present your grand solution or continue to complain unproductively.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 20:55:43 2017 No.9166349 >>9166304 Constitutional amendment specifying one algorithm for dividing a state into portions with equal populations while keeping those portion geometrically within agreed on shapes. All states use the same algorithm. No revolution required.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 21:51:33 2017 No.9166535 >>9159611 How come Poland thinks Germany is both the most and least trustworthy?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 13 22:24:50 2017 No.9166660 >>9166349 and who do you think will be coming up with your algorithm? the same people who are already 'abusing' districts and zoning. You now have the problem of implementing some sort of high moral authority to solve the issue.

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