/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.8595716]

"I love animals"
"I love my dog"
"I love my cat"
- spoken by those who regularly eat slaughtered cows, pigs, chickens, deer, fish, etc.

How can you love "animals" yet be okay with eating them and the way they came to be nicely packaged at your grocery store? Is this not cognitive dissonance (a mental disorder)?

I'm not trying to make this a Vegan/Vegetarian thread because I myself have ate meat (but am trying not to) but I suddenly realized today how fucked up it really is that I can be totally fine with eating a hamburger/hotdog as I pet my dog or give her a bite. :/

[Anonymous No.8595718]

>>8595716
cause I love how they taste

[Anonymous No.8595722]

>>8595718
/thread

[Anonymous No.8595724]

>>8595718
/thread

[Anonymous No.8595725]

>>8595716
i dont love animals
i love animals that belong to me or that im very familiar with
otherwise i dont care

[Anonymous No.8595733]

I feel you OP. I remember being 14 once. When all the troubles and contradictions of the world become so apparent. You'll learn to get used to it and eat your sausage with glee.

[Anonymous No.8595740]

I fucking hate vegans/vegetarians who try to be morally superior as though animals are equal or imply people want animals to suffer.

Not only that but they refuse to recognize the usage of animals in literally every product in their every day lives.

[Anonymous No.8595743]

I don't like animals though

Pets are annoying

[Anonymous No.8595746]

>>8595740
what if they live innawoods

[Anonymous No.8595747]

>>8595716
I like animals for what role I intend for them
I like wild animals because they are mysterious and intriguing
I like pets because they are cuddly and cute
I like livestock because they are delicious and filling

[Anonymous No.8595750]

>>8595740
the dirty little lie behind veganism is that when say animal lives matter they also whisper humans dont
Veganism doesnt only advocate for animal rights but it advocates for animals life at the expense of human suffering
and i dont mean cutting down burgers, i mean the thousands of people in impobrished countries who suffer job loss because of this and have to see their children starve to death

[Anonymous No.8595765]

>>8595716
Doggo is man's best friend. Cats and every other animal can get fucked.

[Anonymous No.8595766]

>>8595716
So it's okay for wild animals to eat other animals but not us?

[Anonymous No.8595767]

>>8595716
because they're super tasty and i can compartmentalize the difference between eating my friend that is of a species that my society has deemed to be not food vs an animal i've never met that same society has deemed ok.

but you either knew this already or are a sperg. either way, thread hidden

[Anonymous No.8595768]

>>8595718
how many people regularly eat meat without any seasoning. If you really liked how they tasted, there wouldn't be a multimillion dollar seasoning market dedicated just to meat

[Anonymous No.8595775]

>>8595768
because the advantage of meat is that it can be prepared in a thousand different ways
but what do you know? all you eat is french fries

[Anonymous No.8595776]

>>8595767
Why do you let your society do all your thinking for you.

[Anonymous No.8595789]

>>8595716
Once you accept that people are flawed and make decisions based on their emotions more so than logic you won't feel so bad. You can not want to eat you pet which you feel emotionally attached to, but not still enjoy eating a patty from a cow you have no relationship with. Hell think about all the people you care less about because you have no relationship with them. This is how people operate and it is ok.

[Anonymous No.8595801]

>I love animals
>no you CANNOT fuck a dog you will be socially ostracized
>I don't eat or wear their skin or use their guts like vegans do, but yet my love for animals is considered wrong while they gleefully eat their flesh

Really, you get to slaughter and consume cow flesh but if I want to have a consensual loving relationship with a pomeranian suddenly I'M the BAD GUY?!

This world has seriously lost its way, but hypocrites are nothing new.

[Anonymous No.8595811]

>>8595801
>consensual

[Anonymous No.8595813]

jokes on you i hate animals

and dogs are especially smelly and gross

[Anonymous No.8595822]

>>8595716
I've eaten dog and cat in my travels, also horse like twice a week. fight me.

[Anonymous No.8595832]

>>8595768
Salt and pepper is my most common seasoning. On most things. Butter on steak, for that whole cow taste.

[Anonymous No.8595836]

>>8595716
I will eat any animal as long as its either raised properly for slaughter, and is humanely killed, or is hunted, and not made to suffer at its death.

I dont care what animal it is. You can farm, and slaughter cats for all I care. They make great fur skins.

>b-but you're killing cute kitties!
So? You dont think bunnies are cute and wobbly? People eat rabbit all the fucking time.

You know what fucking stupid. useless animal we should all eat that's very easy to domesticate, and require less resources than cows?

horses.
fucking horses. Dumb as shit submissive animals that serve very little purpose today in the modern world. they taste good, lean, easy to raise, and are fucking so stupid that only dumb horse lovers would object. srslt, even been on a horse farm? I've seen smarter chickens.

[Anonymous No.8595846]

I never formed an emotional attachment to the pig whose meat I'm eating at the store

Humans feel patronizing feelings towards animals like cats, dogs, and horses because those animals were very helpful (thus eating them would be detrimental to survival).

I'd eat dog meat if it was offered to me

[Anonymous No.8595847]

>>8595776
Because why not?

[Anonymous No.8595848]

>>8595836
Are horses dumber than cows?

[Anonymous No.8595863]

>>8595848
Much.

I mean you can train and ride a horse, you cant do that with a cow, but that's not to be determine an animals level of intelligence. Horses are fucking stupid, and will run off a cliff. They will kick their own owners, and kill them, and stand in direct threat of dangers.

Cows wont cross certain type of terrain because they know their hoofs will get stuck, avoid danger, make excellent pets, and can be easily herded

[Anonymous No.8595864]

>>8595716

>Is this not cognitive dissonance (a mental disorder)?

No, not even remotely.

[Anonymous No.8595871]

>>8595716
that dog has the same eyes as that girl who got turned into a chimera in FMA

[Anonymous No.8595901]

>>8595801
Adam Johnston?

[Anonymous No.8595902]

>>8595716
your dog eats meat and doesn't have a aneurysm when he licks your face

[Anonymous No.8595920]

>>8595716

"I love animals"

-spoken by those who hate Donald Trump, who is also an animal (i.e. homo sapiens)

really gets the noodle juices a-pumpin'

[Anonymous No.8595939]

>>8595801
>Having a consensual relationship.
>With someone who cannot be verbally understood in a meaningful sense.

[Anonymous No.8595950]

>>8595716
I love animals, I also love hunting and killing them myself. What does that say about me?

[Anonymous No.8595952]

>>8595950
the best part isn't being a faggot, it's letting everyone online know you are

[Anonymous No.8595973]

>>8595716
I objectively don't care about cows, pigs, chickens, deer or fish.

[Anonymous No.8596007]

>>8595716
the problem with vegans/vegetarians is they go on and on about animals is wrong but they eat foods that (almost) taste like the meat they are trying to not get you to eat.

like a anti rape capaigner making rape jokes.

[Anonymous No.8596015]

>>8596007
this exactly. I get not eating meat for dietary reasons. but when you claim to be a vegetarian, or vegan, but use imitation leather, or food that are made ton look like they are made from meat, you are only driving up the consumption for meat.

like lesbians talking shit on men, but using penis like dildos.

[Anonymous No.8596037]

>>8595750
Clueless. :)

[Anonymous No.8596039]

>>8595716
What if we eat dogs and cats too?

[Anonymous No.8596043]

>>8595716
Why do you think loving animals and eating meat are mutually exclusive?

I love trees. I think they're beautiful and they make being outside a much more pleasant experience. That said I'm sitting down in front of a fire in a wooden house with my feet on a wooden coffee table.

[Anonymous No.8596072]

>>8595939
Did you hear about that study that was cancelled?
Listen to this.
*Pulls mic closer*
So there was this dolphin study, right?
There was this dolphin who wouldn't do the study because he was too horny.
Pull it up, Jaime.
So, to calm the dolphin, this chick, a biologist, would jerk him off.
She'd make him cum then he'd do the study.
He'd even come over to her to get jacked off.
When they found that out, they closed the study.
Shit, look at that, look at that fucker.
That gorilla must weigh 400 pounds.
It'll rip your balls off.

[Anonymous No.8596078]

>>8596007
They're trying to get you to not eat meat because meat comes from dead animals.

[Anonymous No.8596098]

>>8596072
lul

[Anonymous No.8596099]

>>8595768
>le ebin 'seasonings gotcha' meme

SALT IS CARNIST PROPAGANDA, EAT YOUR TOFU PLAIN

[Anonymous No.8596189]

>>8595768
I guess you must not eat legumes
Or cooked foods in general

[Anonymous No.8596196]

>>8596072
>There was this dolphin who wouldn't do the study because he was too horny.

kek

[Anonymous No.8596203]

It's called hypocrisy... If you say you love animals but then pay other people to torture them for you behind closed doors... You're the worst kind of hypocrite and should kill yourself

[Anonymous No.8596211]

>>8595768
Who REALLY enjoys any food without proper seasoning? We eat fruits ad vegetables but how often are you jonesing for boiled spinach?

[Anonymous No.8596254]

>>8595716
I love my cat - and I love eating livestock. They are there for a purpose. To be eaten. What is important to me is that they are treated during life and killed in a humane way. The fact that most inexpensive meat is not but it will. It won't change by me not eating meat. It won't change by you not eating meat. There is no religious law that dictates that I should not eat meat and there is no civil law about the same. The idea of not eating meat has a basis in evolution in which all animals - including humans - are the same but at different points on the evolutionary timeline.

If you believe that animals should not be eaten then you should likewise believe that black people are "less evolved" than white people and therefore good for the overall population to eradicate them and maintain only the superior - "more evolved" - race.

[Anonymous No.8596266]

not all animals are equals. the same way all people arent equal

[Anonymous No.8596274]

>>8596254
>here is no religious law that dictates that I should not eat meat
ughhhhhhh

[Anonymous No.8596282]

>>8596274
What a valid, well thought out, well reasoned response.

[Anonymous No.8596288]

>>8596254
I really don't think that's how evolution works.

[Anonymous No.8596344]

>>8596254
>There is no religious law that dictates that I should not eat meat

Jews can't eat any meat that isn't kosher and Muslims can't eat any meat that isn't halal.

[Anonymous No.8596362]

Cats and dogs are different from pigs and cows. Cats and dogs are raised to be companions to humans because they are useful for hunting and pest control. Pigs and cows are raised to be livestock to humans because that is what they are good for. Domesticated cats and dogs can go out in the wild and they'd go feral, but they'd continue to perpetuate. It's why we have such a horrible feral cat/dog problem. Domesticated cows and pigs on the other hand would suffer from mass extinction within the decade. They cannot survive in the wild, their sole purpose in life is to be consumed - Whether that be by humans or other animals.

[Anonymous No.8596389]

>>8595716
I agree OP, that's why I'm now only going to get my milk from beautiful pale women with big full bosoms, feed me mummy :3

[Anonymous No.8596391]

>>8595716
There are social contracts with dogs and cats in the west. There's no social contract with pigs or cows. They're more items than beings.

[Anonymous No.8596413]

I have a dog and like animals but I also ate dog, duck, beef and other animals. As long as it's not my dog and raised to be eaten I eat it. The animals may get sick from us

[Anonymous No.8596418]

Because plant protein is completely inferior to animal protein due to amino acids. A healthy, long life requires a diet rich in saturated fats and animal protein.

[Anonymous No.8596420]

>>8596362
this

[Anonymous No.8596447]

>>8596362
Then let them go extinct.

[Anonymous No.8596492]

>>8596362

Actually, all breeds of domestic pig will go completely feral in the wild. Usually only takes a few months, too. They adapt insanely quickly.

In fact, the southeastern US has huge problems with it. The feral pigs aren't afraid of people or other livestock and will pretty much try to kill and eat anything.

[Anonymous No.8596519]

>>8595716
The thing OP, is that I would also eat a dog and or a cat.
The thing is not eating them or not, is giving them an adequate or "human" death to those we're eating, since we're humans and we understand better the world and its laws.

[Anonymous No.8596568]

I only love carnivores, I find them to be the only animals capable of a level of interaction that even leads to me connecting with them at all. Pigs do seem kind of smart but fuck 'em.

[Anonymous No.8596569]

>>8595768
>putting (((spices))) on meat

[Anonymous No.8596573]

>>8595801
Move to Canada

[Anonymous No.8596587]

>>8595836
I'd guess horses are too lean.

[Anonymous No.8596589]

>>8595716
Cognitive dissonance is not a mental disorder, though the wikipedia page you read may make you think so.

[Anonymous No.8596598]

>>8595716
This is why I don't give my love to anything, just in case I have to eat it.

[Anonymous No.8596602]

>>8595716
fuck off cunt, I'd eat dogs and cats if it were legal. Already killed and eaten my own rabbits before.

[Anonymous No.8596607]

>>8596602
>fuck off cunt,

wow, those rabbits got to see what a rude faggot looks like on the inside. Lucky them!

[Anonymous No.8596612]

The assumption that animals are without rights and the illusion that our treatment of them has no moral significance is a positively outrageous example of Western crudity and barbarity.
Universal compassion is the only guarantee of morality.

[Anonymous No.8596613]

>>8595716
I can also love my family while regularly doing nothing about fellow homo sapiens dying of disease, famine, crime etc.

Cognitive dissonance is nothing new, fuckboy.

[Anonymous No.8596614]

>>8596612
W O K E

[Anonymous No.8596624]

>>8595768
Seasoning complements food not overpowers it you plant eating lunatic.

[Anonymous No.8596626]

>>8595716
>being an absolutist
I love my dog yet I've eaten dog when I was in Vietnam

[Anonymous No.8596627]

>>8595801
>but if I want to have a consensual loving relationship with a pomeranian suddenly I'M the BAD GUY?!
not in my country

[Anonymous No.8596639]

>>8595768
So you eat your beans, rice, tofu and veg plain, yes?

[Anonymous No.8596650]

>>8595716
>Is this not cognitive dissonance (a mental disorder)?
You seem to have mental disorder. Pigs ate human flesh after a war, so shouldn't we eat pigs too then? Shove your "muh morality" bullshit up your ass, turbo austist.

[Anonymous No.8596657]

>>8595716
We can care deeply - selflessly - about those we know, but that empathy rarely extends beyond our line of sight.

[Anonymous No.8596696]

>>8595716
Why can't you love animals and love eating them?
Doesn't this just make animals very versatile creatures? Good for companionship and eats?

[Anonymous No.8596700]

>>8595768
>how many people regularly eat meat without any seasoning
Tbh I don't regularly eat any cooked food without seasoning it

[Anonymous No.8596707]

I've never been in the same social circles as vegetarians or vegans;

Just how broken of a person do you have to be to become one?

[Anonymous No.8596767]

>>8595716
Silly vegan.

Dogs have been domesticated since ancient times to be our lovable companions. To the point where we directly effect their physical and mental states and how they respond to stimulus.

Pigs are animals we had since ancient times and domesticated it to be eaten. We altered it's genetics immensely to have the biggest/tastiest/fastest growing animal for human consumption.

They both have different functions and in the end are tools for human use, weather that use us to be loved or to be eaten.

[Anonymous No.8596769]

>>8595740
>skin
>candies and confectionery

In which candy do they use cow skin?

[Anonymous No.8596775]

>>8595768
Except the best and highest class piece of meat, the tenderloin, is mostly eaten with little to no seasoning.

[Anonymous No.8596781]

>>8596612
[citation needed]

[Anonymous No.8596785]

>>8596707
Vegetarians vary widely. Most of them are cool, at least in my experience. Some are awful. Vegans are universally bad, although I'm not sure "broken" is the word I'd use. More like "morally confused with a strong yet uninformed sense of justice with just a dash or forty of laziness."

[Anonymous No.8596795]

>>8596781
>>our treatment of them reflects our motives and intentions: food, sadism, companionship

okay I can see that go o-

>>animals have rights
>>universal blah blah blah

please stop eating this shit up

[Anonymous No.8596809]

>>8596795
I think you replied to the wrong person there, senpai.

[Anonymous No.8596818]

>>8596809
Yeah what can I say I'm a dirty phone-poster.

[Anonymous No.8596827]

>>8595716

Same reason I can say I love people but sit idly by while innocent people die. Just because I love some individuals doesn't mean I love everyone. Most animal lives are worthless.

[Anonymous No.8596830]

>>8595716
dont worry i eat dogs and cats too. The cat meat is really fucking lean and a nightmare to prepare. So i really eat pork main. dog is also weird and somewhat lean on average.

[Anonymous No.8596835]

>>8596769
gelatin in wine gums and jellies. As a binder in confectionary fillings. It's put in licorice. etc.

[Anonymous No.8596892]

>>8595747
And I love vegans because they are angsty, passive agressive and always have this err of confusion that is expressed something along the lines of "I don't get it how can you kill and eat one animal but not another" like its some sort of impossible feat to distinguish one species from another.

[Anonymous No.8596911]

>>8595766
I don't get this argument. "Wild animals" don't have our capabilities to think, reason, and adapt. We have the tools, the context and most importantly the ressources to live without resorting to slaughter endlessly. "Wild animals" are doing it for survival. We're doing it because... why exactly ?

[Anonymous No.8596916]

>>8596612
This.

[Anonymous No.8596919]

>>8596612
>Being cruel to animals is immoral, and shows how barbaric western culture is.

Fixed your verbose bullshit for you. Try not to write like a 15 year old with a thesaurus plug in, dummy.

[Anonymous No.8596921]

>>8596612
>>8596614
>Western crudity and barbarity

meanwhile in Vietnam

Let's not get too ahead of ourselves and say that that the hypocritical sentiment that "animals have no rights" is a Western phenomena alone. Everyone in the world knows that at least some meat is tasty, and everyone disagrees on which meat we should eat. Believing that things must be Kosher, Halal, Hindu, or things such as Geography and just plain being poor or rich all shape the way we look at eating meat.

[Anonymous No.8596923]

>>8595740
>they don't know
>THEREFORE THEY SHOULD BE GUILTY

That's not how it works Billy.

[Anonymous No.8596928]

>>8596921

I saw lots of overstuffed cages like that when I was in Cambodia; never dogs, though.

[Anonymous No.8596930]

>>8596919
Which word was too big for you brainlet?

[Anonymous No.8596932]

>>8595716
You must hate animals so much that you don't know anything about them.

[Anonymous No.8596937]

>>8596911
>"Wild animals" are doing it for survival

Except when they aren't, which is often. Many predators kill just for practice, and many omnivores kill despite being capable of subsisting on roots and seeds.

[Anonymous No.8596941]

>>8596937
>weasels overkill so it must be fine!
>hey man, if the earth, you know like grows it then it's natural and if it's natural like it's all good you know man

There must be a lot of awkward silences between the couple brain cells still living in your head

[Anonymous No.8596946]

>>8596941
>makes bullshit claim
>gets called out
>shoots the messenger

[Anonymous No.8597145]

I heard one argument in particular (though oddly in relation to monogamy v. polygamy) that made a lot of sense to me, went a little something like this.

As a person you have every right to make a conscious choice to be Vegetarian/Vegan, but we're still omnivores.

We are biologically built this way. I see no issue in caring for some animals while eating others. Hell, in the old days, we used to have "our" animals help us catch the ones we were going to eat, and if in the hundreds of thousands of years we were doing that there was a large trend of animal revolt, I imagine we'd have heard about it.

[Anonymous No.8597278]

Fuck off, PETAphile, don't you have a circus to protest?

[Anonymous No.8597389]

Dogs and cats are above farm animals on the food chain.

[Anonymous No.8597407]

>>8595716
"I love animals"
- spoken by those who regularly benefit from slaughtered rodents and insects

[gnocchi No.8597416]

>>8595716

"i love my orchids"
"i love my wisteria"
"i love my flowering dogwood tree"

-spoken by a vegetarian who regularly eats slaughtered tomatoes, herbs, eggplants and beans

literally the exact same thing.

[Anonymous No.8597423]

>>8597145
Arguing ethics from nature is retarded.
We're also "built" to murder and rape.

[Anonymous No.8597424]

>>8595864
>>8595716
>(a mental disorder)

No?

[Anonymous No.8597449]

I love my wife and her son and some of my family.

I LIKE my dog. When it dies I will get one of same breed and give it the same name.

I eat meat, because I like the taste and it keeps me alive.
I would like if we could treat them better, even if they are meant to end up on my plate.

[Anonymous No.8597458]

>>8596946
> Thinks strawmanning is calling somebody out

[Anonymous No.8597466]

>>8597416
Maybe if you have the mental capabilities of a five year old. For one, plants don't have a nervous system, so they can't feel pain. They don't think or feel. I could go on but I hope you get the idea

[Anonymous No.8597491]

>>8597466
So you're saying it's okay to eat animals without a nervous system?

[Anonymous No.8597508]

>>8595716
Because kittehs and puppers are cute and cuddly and chickens, pigs and others are tasty.

It's pretty simple stuff.

[Anonymous No.8597517]

>>8597491
Interesting question - if the animal is literally incapable of feeling pain or discomfort, it is IMHO at least less immoral to eat them, since in this aspect they are just like plants. Apparently there are vegans who are okay with eating oysters and mussels, since those are basically just muscles in a shell.
Obviously the nervous system is not the only discerning factor here. What is equally important is the ecological aspect, i.e. how many plant calories does it take to produce an animal calorie, and would mass livestock farming of those animals fuck up our atmosphere just like cattle does right now?
I would still say that a plant based nutrition is the most ethical.

[Anonymous No.8597545]

>>8595716
there are no easy answers to moral choices, everybody chooses to ignore some problems in the world, if you wouldnt do that youd go crazy.
Its no more hypocritical to like certain animals and eat others, than it is to lik certain humans and dislike others, or wearing your shiny new sneakers while you could easily know they are made in sweatshops on bali, spend money on expensive things while people are starving at other parts of the world, list goes on and on.
To be honest i think eating meat, which humans did since their existence, is one of the less significant moral choices you have to make, its pretty shortsighted, childish even to make this the single important issue. While i guess most people agree that todays meat industry is pretty disgusting, same goes for most other industries,politics etc that actually harm humans

[Anonymous No.8597549]

>>8597517
I addressed this question here >>8596715
Why is this research not in full swing? It could be in production within a decade.

[Anonymous No.8597552]

>>8597545
> that actually harm humans
Wait, do you mean to imply that the meat industry doesn't harm humans? I hope you're joking.

[Anonymous No.8597560]

>>8597549
There is actually a lot of research going on, although based on stem cells, not engineering animals to fit the purpose.
It's still really expensive and wasteful, but I agree it's promising.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultured_meat

[Anonymous No.8597577]

>>8595768
>Meat without seasoning
Bretty gud
>Meat with seasoning
Very fucking good

[Anonymous No.8597596]

>>8597552
well, i am not going to get into an argument where people link random papers and stats, the negative impact of meat on the health is, though much research goes into it, not proven any more than any other issue in the area of nutrition and environment, because we can not seperate those issues from one another(radiation,pollution,fertilizers...).

What i was talking about is war, inustice,genocide, things that "directly" harm human beings, which most people, vegetarians included, choose not to give a shit about. Im just saying its hypocritical in a sense to get on the moral highhorse because of a a hamburger, while never having heard/cared or done something about what happened in ruanda,indonesia or still happens in afghanistan,syria,iraq etc.
Basically i think being vegetarian is an easy way to make a statement and somewhat of a lifestyle choice, i just think the statement isnt very significant and the impact is pretty low, that doesnt mean i judge people who are vegetarian or disrespect them, its nice to do something for the world, it just becomes weird when people start trying to convince others to care about this pretty personal choice

[Anonymous No.8597604]

>>8596923
but once they see the pic they cant claim ignorance

[Anonymous No.8597607]

>>8597560
Engineering the animals themselves is the fast track to results. Remove their functioning brain to the bare minimum required to coordinate heartbeat, respiration, and digestive function. Eliminate their now useless limbs, hair, sensory organs, and other parts that we dont need. The skeletal system could be modified to be extremely underdeveloped and barely there, since the shell of an animal would simply lay on a production rack. The feeding tube would supply something on the order of ground up grass clipping, tree leaves, water, and nutrient as needed, with minimal environmental impact. A shit conveyor belt would send fertilizer directly back to farms. The meat slabs would be exaggerated in size and designed for best quality prime cuts. Minimal smell, minimal waste, maximum efficiency, no cruelty. This could be all housed in discreet warehouses, and our currently wasted ranch land could grow raw materials to feed the pseudo-animals, something hyper efficient like switchgrass or hay, which just keeps churning out feed volume at a high rate. Also, eco-fags and cooks both love to see "grass-fed" "cruelty free" and "sustainable" on the label, and that indeed would be the case. This is the future of meat.

[Anonymous No.8597609]

>>8597596
This is called "whataboutism" and is not an argument

It is possible to raise meat without nontherapeutic antibiotics, hence why so many yuppies and also just generally well informed individuals go out of their way to purchase meat that does not abuse antibiotics just to increase feed conversion rates slightly

Your claim was that "today's meat industry" does not "actually" harm humans, which is complete and utter bullshit, as is your attempt to lump conscientious meat shopping in with veganism and to try to make it look like a form of hypocrisy just because an earthquake happened in Nepal last year and how come they didn't do anything about that huh?

[Anonymous No.8597616]

>>8596930
Not even that anon, but
>pompous, forced, pseudo intellectual style

Give me a fucking break

[Anonymous No.8597618]

>>8595716
Oh just fuck off

[Anonymous No.8597623]

>>8597607
Hm, I think you overestimate what genetic engineering is capable of, we are nowhere close to editing the DNA in order to produce a minimal brain, besides all the other modifications necessary.
I think it's a safer bet to investigate how to do it using stem cells, since it has already been demonstrated to work

[Anonymous No.8597634]

>>8597609
But the meat industry doesn't really harm humans.

[Anonymous No.8597644]

>>8597634
Obviously you have a unique definition of "really harm" because the CDC begs to differ

https://www.cdc.gov/features/AntibioticResistanceThreats/index.html

[Anonymous No.8597659]

>>8597609
no its not, im not having an argument with anyone and im not trying to discredit any position, i havent even talked about "conscientious meat shopping".
I was stating that this issue is talked too much about compared to other problems in the world, i was stating that "life" is harmful in todays society and environment, i was stating that its natural and necessary to filter out some of the worlds problems, or you couldnt leave your house or think about anythign else but the worlds misfortune. I stand by saying its hypocritical to judge someone for eating meat while the judging person doesnt give a shit about 99 other bad things in the world

[Anonymous No.8597660]

>>8597623
Its not always actual changes in the DNA, but finding the triggers to turn a gene on or off.
The Zika virus can easily trigger a developing fetus to be brainless. Other triggers can make them limbless, hairless, or missing certain organs. The unneeded limbs could be surgically severed upon birth. We could do a pretty good job at this without any genetic engineering whatsoever, leading to massive increases in efficiency. And once companies start reaping the PROFITS, then we will see incredible amounts of private capitol flowing into research and development to make this iterative process improve more and more.

[Anonymous No.8597663]

>>8597644
I would define real harm as having negative net value, something which I and most other people would probably not ascribe to the meat industry.

[Anonymous No.8597676]

>>8595768
t. American vegan

[Anonymous No.8597679]

>>8597616
It's schopenhauer.

[Anonymous No.8597681]

>>8597659
>I stand by saying its hypocritical to judge someone for eating meat while the judging person doesnt give a shit about 99 other bad things in the world
Not an argument

>>8597663
>I would define real harm as having negative net value
Most policymakers consider a 0.2% increase in feed conversion ratio for slightly cheaper meat to be a net negative value when weighed against the fact that routine surgical procedures now become life threatening events, now go ahead and say "but there's a war in syria" and call it a day.

[Anonymous No.8597699]

>>8595716
Because I don't give a fuck about a whole species but the individual animal that I have contact with and care for. I love my dogs and the dogs I meet that are cute and nice to be around. But when I went to china I straight up found a korean restaurant and ordered dog for fun. Long story short not everyone shares the same values.

[Anonymous No.8597710]

>>8597699
How was it?

[Anonymous No.8597715]

>>8595740
This picture is very disingenuous.
Most of those items that are listed may have used those ingredients in the past, but most have been replaced with man made ingredients.

[Anonymous No.8597721]

Cows are dumb. They feed us, from dairy to meat. We shouldn't be cruel to them, but carnivores exist in every kingdom of animals. Respecting the role of animals not to be mistreated is not a mental illness, in and of itself, but taking it to the level of avoiding food groups you were designed to need for nutrition is certainly a mental illness. Being this sensitive is just a product of being poorly educated, worldly and experienced. Get out of your house and get some life experiences.

[Anonymous No.8597723]

>>8595716
I love animals and would happily eat an adorable cat/sheep/rat.

[Anonymous No.8597724]

>>8597681
you are one of those people that never get invited to dinnerparties huh?This isnt "debating society" in highschool, the teacher didnt set a topic. I realize you define it as an argument:
>"does todays meat industry harm people?"
In reality the OP was asking about a moral dilemma and a moral dilemma asks for a philosophical rather than a medical answer. I am not interested in the topic you are discussing with yourself, also your reading comprehension/ attention span needs some work

[Anonymous No.8597726]

>>8597710
It was really meh I would compare it to liver and honestly I would only eat it if I could not afford something better. But it was expensive due to it being a bit taboo in china (Although stereo types would have you think other wise). It was more for old korean dudes who missed eating dog.

[Anonymous No.8597728]

Eating meat is a mental disorder just like homosexuality

[Anonymous No.8597733]

>>8597517
do the math. By the time you're done, you will realize the logical end to your argument is that you should kill yourself to stop consuming resources. Then, after you do, I will gladly eat a steak to celebrate your apex moral achievement.

[Anonymous No.8597743]

>>8597733
>By the time you're done, you will realize the logical end to your argument is that you should kill yourself to stop consuming resources.
Pretty much. This is when I realised that morality is a spook and decided to embrace nihilism.

[Anonymous No.8597747]

>>8597724
Yes, the fact that I'm not completely oblivious to public health topics means no one can stand to be around me. Great argument!

[Anonymous No.8597755]

>>8597747
>logic means shit compared to rhetoric
I can honestly see why they just killed socrates.

[Anonymous No.8597780]

>>8597721
There's far more educated and worldly vegetarians than you anon.

[Anonymous No.8597786]

>>8595768
>multimillion dollar seasoning market dedicated just to meat

Yeah... that old chestnut. The tycoons in their glass towers getting rich off the lucrative 'meat seasoning' market.
>>The Bill Gates of Berbere
>>The Elon Musk of Marjoram
>>The Rockefeller of Rogan Josh

[Anonymous No.8597789]

>>8595716
>How can you love "animals" yet be okay with eating them
I love how delicious some of them taste,
AND
I love some of them as pets.

What's so hard to understand?

[Anonymous No.8597820]

[Anonymous No.8597842]

>>8595716
My love for any animal is contingent on how hungry I am and whether they are more useful to me as an alternative food source or for some other purpose.

In the case of every day life I don't find pigs, cows, chicken, fish, or deer particularly useful so they are prefect candidates for om noms.

Dogs are mans best friend, Cats do cute shit eat mice and are self cleaning, and horses make a good ride.

After the zombie apocalypse though woofy, whiskers, and Mr. Ed are all on the menu.

[Anonymous No.8597859]

>>8595716
you ever taste dog? taste like piss, as for cats not enough meat on them.

[Anonymous No.8597867]

Mmmm animals. They delicious.

[Anonymous No.8597895]

>>8597820
>it doesn't harm the animal to eat their eggs or drink their milk
LMAO, maybe if you personally raise them and can attest to the quality of life the animal is receiving, however big farm dairy has been mistreating animals for centuries and saying it doesn't harm the animal is untrue.

[Anonymous No.8597929]

>>8595716
How can you love your dog and yet sexually mutilate him so that he will never be able to get an erection? How can you love him if you deny him the right to be a sexual being? Why don't you get your animal protein straight from his schlong?

Checkmate, vegan tards.

[Anonymous No.8597951]

What's the deal with white potatoes? Dr. Greger says the toxin content makes them a net negative, but then gives a non-answer whenever asked about it. Should I be eating them or not? And why do they make my feet smell funny?

[Anonymous No.8597952]

>>8596612
Really makes you think

[Anonymous No.8597969]

>>8596612
Animals are not moral beings because they have no subjective reality. They're just like plants, inanimate objects, or your waifu.

[Anonymous No.8598002]

It's not like the meat industry will shut down overnight if I suddenly decide to stop buying chicken. Might as well enjoy it, it's not like they can feel pain when they're already dead.

[Anonymous No.8598028]

What if I'm vegetarian because I don't like the taste of meat

[Anonymous No.8598045]

>>8598028
What if you are a picky eater?

[Anonymous No.8598059]

>>8595716
Same way you can be a tree hugging hippy who devours helpless innocent strawberries after saying how much you love mother nature.

[Anonymous No.8598068]

Love dogs, don't eat them!

[Anonymous No.8598081]

>>8595716
I love my cat. I love eating beef. I love animals.

The basic tenet which allows me to maintain these disparate viewpoints with no conflict is quite simple: Morality is arbitrary. The entire human condition is basically arbitrary. Having rejected any form of meaning in the universe I am totally free to create my own arbitrary moral constructs that are inherently immune to contradiction, even if those morals are just as meaningless.

Basically, I just don't really give a fuck.

[Anonymous No.8598103]

If an animal is put down humanely and given a happy life, I would eat it with no regrets. Same with any animal, and for the sake of not being a hypocrite, I would allow aliens to eat me provided the same criteria were met.

[Anonymous No.8598141]

>>8597969
The world is not a piece of machinery and animals are not articles manufactured for our use
The truth is that animals are in all essential respects identical with us and that the difference lies merely in the degree of intelligence, i.e. cerebral activity, the latter also admitting of great differences between the various species of animals. In this way, we shall see a more humane treatment of animals. For only when the simple and undoubtedly sublime truth has reached the masses will animals cease to appear as creatures without rights, and thus be exposed to the malicious whim and cruelty of every coarse ruffian.
What is more obvious than that we and the animals are to all intents and purposes absolutely the same? To fail to recognize this, a man must be bereft of all his senses, or rather he will not see, since to him a gratuity is more acceptable than truth.

[Anonymous No.8598184]

>>8595766

Wild animals don't practice industrial farming nor have gastronomical fetishes such as veal etc.

When a lion makes a kill it's prey didn't live the entirety of it's short life cramped in a concrete cell. The lion is acting purely on instinct and a need to survive.

Humans however have broken that paradigm through tool use. They have created entire slave classes of animals that are so far removed from point of origin their bodies collapse under their own weight.

Animals feel pain and can suffer. There is nothing natural about life existing to suffer or natural about force feeding animals unnatural feed, b12 injections and antibiotics to keep their immune systems and bodies functioning under the stress of merely existing.

The only animal humans have formed a meaningful relationship with is dogs and even then you only have to look at what was done and is still being done to them.

They have been genetically manipulated through breeding for thousands of years to emerge with countless deformities and medical maladies. Some cannot even be born without human intervention and Cesarean sections. Others live life always starved for oxygen with bred in encephalitis.

Even if we have a relationship they are still for the most part our prisoners. Utterly dependent and tied to our whims. Even as we praise them we kill 1.2 million of them a year in the US alone after abandoning them at shelters.

For as high and mighty or moral as the average person feels they exist in a perverse state outside nature.

[Anonymous No.8598195]

>>8595716
Learn the difference between animals and pets, you vegan fucker.

[Anonymous No.8598215]

>>8595716

I'll take companion vs livestock animals for $1000 Alex.

[Anonymous No.8598216]

>>8598184
>Wild animals don't practice industrial farming
Neither do domesticated ones, dipshit.

[Anonymous No.8598227]

>>8598216
Looks like plebbit is missing another faggot. Read what I was responding to.

[Anonymous No.8598229]

>>8598227
You're a fucking idiot, son.

[Anonymous No.8598232]

>>8595716
Survival instinct

Your dog can be useful and fun.
Some random cow somewhere is no use.

The cow would just eat grass and moo at other cows until it dies.

[Anonymous No.8598238]

>>8598229

>So it's okay for wild animals to eat other animals but not us?

Are you implying humans are domestic animals? Do you need a cup of coffee? A book on Phonics?

Get some reading comprehension tryhard.

[Anonymous No.8598280]

>>8595716
I love my cat
I love my girlfriends dog
I don't love the cute bunnies at the pet store
I don't love the pig on the farm that I've never interacted with
I love how that pig tastes though

I care about the preservation of certain animals, like elephants and tigers, because I think they're cool and if something isn't done they will become extinct. If there were an overpopulation of tigers, I wouldn't care if they were hunted for sport. Similarly, cows aren't going extinct anytime soon.

Saying "You love your cat, how can you eat a pig?" is not a valid or even complete argument. If you think that loving one animal equates to loving all animals, then you're retarded.

[Anonymous No.8598294]

>>8598238
Damage control.

[Anonymous No.8598308]

>>8595716
I don't love animals. Never had a dog or a cat. Only animals I've raised, I've sold to the market to be butchered. Meat tastes good and I enjoy eating it and have no problems with how it is obtained, processed, cooked or served. I feel zero moral remorse for how we treat animals. If they ever feel unjust on how they are treated and decide to revolt against humanity, and make people their food, I wouldn't have any complaints. That's just how life works. Given how that would be happening any time soon, I will just sit back and enjoy the steak that I will cook tonight for my birthday dinner.

[Anonymous No.8598317]

>>8598184
>Wild animals don't practice industrial farming
Bullshit, I saw a tiger driving a tractor only yesterday.

[Anonymous No.8598321]

>>8597466
How do you know plants don't feel pain? Plants react to their own being eaten near them, and actively safeguard themselves against attacks by secreting different pesticides.
Also, much of the thinking and feeling of animals is actually the humans projecting their expectations to the animal.

[Anonymous No.8598335]

>>8598317

Even poo in loos are being outsourced now.

[Anonymous No.8598338]

>>8596657
This.

I'm against animal cruelty and for veganism etc., but how can you people not understand this simple fact?

There's no cognitive dissonance, just as there's no cognitive dissonance in being ready to die your children and not really feeling all that much about people dying in a far-away war somewhere.

This is a lousy argument, get better ones.

[Anonymous No.8598339]

>>8598184
>The lion is acting purely on instinct and a need to survive.
citation needed
For example, house cats enjoy playing with their prey. Why wouldn't the lions be the same? Because you've seen the Lion King?
Otherwise, I have no beef with you.

[Anonymous No.8598354]

I love some animals for sure. But not all of them.
Saying that is wrong to only love your pet but not a cow it's like saying that you love you should feel bad for everyone that dies in this planet.
I'm gonna cry like a baby when my mother dies, and I will be very sad when one of my pets dies aswell, but I don't cry for every dead person I see on the news.

[Anonymous No.8598375]

>>8596612
Fuck morals.
I need aminoacids, you know. I'm omnivorous, I need meat on my diet.

[Anonymous No.8598383]

Animals don't get rights, they can't even appreciate them. Rights are a construct that man made for man. Like imagine if some aliens far beyond us wanted to give us quantum rights to live in quantum reality. We wouldn't even understand what the fuck that means, it'd be stupid and pointless.

[Anonymous No.8598387]

>>8597895
i hope he does
torture milk tastes better

[Anonymous No.8598401]

>>8598339

The act of playing is instinctual as well. Even lions play with their food to an extent and even do irrational things from time to time. Such as a lioness trying to protect a newly born prey item out of her own maternal instinct and hormones after having a litter.

It's hard wired behavior for felines to further hone it's killing skills. I would see the house cat as perhaps getting more "enjoyment" from the act because it has a secure food source and more time to play.

[Anonymous No.8598480]

>>8598354
>like saying that you love you
Terrible typo.

[Anonymous No.8598535]

hey OP, how do you feel about abortion? because it strikes me as hilarious that the same people who worry about the rights of livestock simultaneously believe that protecting a person's right to murder the human they created through careless sex is the most important human right

[Ruby !Sempai.oWA No.8598543]

I love some animals as pets
I love other animals as food

What is so hard to understand about this?

>>8595768

Meat is alright without being seasoned, but that doesn't mean you can't improve upon it. I'm fine with just eating mozzarella cheese, but why not have a pizza instead?

[Anonymous No.8598567]

>>8598535

Those are like the Sunday drivers of veganism and animal welfare.

Part of being aware of animal welfare is being aware of the human condition. We should not sanction the murder of the unborn when we have the full capacity to take care of our own.

But it also comes with accepting that most people that label themselves pro-life are about as shallow as most people who label themselves as for animal welfare.

I would argue that most have no inclination to care what happens to a child after it exits a womb and see the irony and sadness in it. There is an undercurrent of sickness in society that I feel comes from existing outside and assuming above nature.

[Anonymous No.8598585]

>>8598543
You forgot to turn your trip off, weeb.

[Anonymous No.8598597]

Bluefish literally eat the live young of other bluefish as they are born. like the mom births thousands of bluefish and the rest of them go on a feeding frenzy eating as many of them as they can - even after they have eaten so much they can't swallow any more they continue to gorge themselves, killing the minute-old frylings.

But yeah, animals are morally superior because they do it to "survive"

[Anonymous No.8598608]

>>8598567
>most people that label themselves pro-life are shallow
>most have no inclination to care what happens to a child after it exits a womb

I'd argue the exact opposite, but hey whatever the press tells you about how evil pro-lifers are.

[Anonymous No.8598615]

>>8598597
animals are retarded. do you think we should eat the retarded?

[Anonymous No.8598624]

Because I realize that as a living being I exist because I feed off of the energy of other living creatures whether they be plant or animal. No matter how much you try to avoid it there is no way to completely circumnavigate the need to subside without consuming another living entity no matter how big or small you get on the food chain. Until you start photosynthesizing you're not getting out of it. And just because you consume another living creature doesn't mean you have to love or hate them but if you really had any respect for the act of doing it then at the very least make sure it gets put to good use. What gets me more than anything else is food that goes to waste or on the other hand being excessively used. Things like that are what disgust me because it mean that animal or plant had a meaningless existence. But really in the end everything gets consumed and returned to the food chain in one way or another, but if someone does say they appreciate what it takes to produce the food they eat then it would at least be better than someone who eats without a second thought of what they are putting in their mouth.

[Anonymous No.8598628]

>>8598567
bullshit they are the "sunday drivers" dude its the vast majority. they are the garden-variety American hypocritical democrat

[Anonymous No.8598630]

le circle of life

[Anonymous No.8598634]

>>8595718
fpbp

[Anonymous No.8598642]

>>8595718
/thread

[Anonymous No.8598660]

This thread is bogged down in bullshit.

Oh wait, its that time of day when British people are online.

If you're British, raise your hands!

OK, now you are all dismissed.

Ill come back after your bedtime. Thank you very much.

[Anonymous No.8598719]

>>8598628

I meant Sunday driver in a derogatory sense. I agree that the garden variety democrat is a hypocrite. Along with both pro-life and animal welfare.

[Anonymous No.8598742]

>>8598608

I'm not listening to the press. I'm watching the politicians and activist and I don't see anyone trying to set up care for prospective mothers so they don't have to abort.

I don't see anyone trying to make sure those millions of kids get the care they need. I do see a lot of abortion activism but not much counter activism. You could fight it easily enough on it's roots as being a Eugenics program purposefully targeted at black America.

I don't think that either side of the fight is ready to take up full responsibility for either viewpoint.

[Anonymous No.8598747]

>>8595716
>be snake
>hungry as fuck
>some tall snake brings me a fur snake
>Tasty.jpg
§
>ear inferior snake
>call me jappyhap
> couple days later tall snake brings in a an anither slither fur
>￦|_Г
>observe critt for a bitt
>interest.bat
>couple weeks go by im pretty hungry
>i wonder if furbro is too
>fat snake brings some other dumb fur snake
>this one smells fucked
>but doesnt matter im hungry
>eat the wee shit
>LoRtLe ME tOrTL
>think to my self
>what a wonderful
>world
>look over at furbro
>shit
>eew my feelings how vould u eat a fur snake when i like that one
>realize i have the capacity to make relationships and decide which fucking creatures get to be eaten and which ones im loyal to in return for their loyalty

OP thats not sweat in your fat roll, those are liquid fucking chromosomes seeping out of you doubledowny

[Anonymous No.8598753]

>>8595716
Some animals are made to be my dinner, some aren't. Fuck off. The bible tells me that I rule over all the dumbass shitbrained animals anyways, so I'll eat what I want, thanks. They serve me.

[Anonymous No.8598765]

I've raised animals in the past. I have no fucking respect for chickens, they're a bunch of homicidal sociopaths. They'll peck to death any chicken that hurts itself even when free ranged, they're a bunch of little shits.

Pigs are not much better. They're smarter but they're a bunch of ass hats. Pigs can go fuck themselves.

Cows? They're at least cheerful for the most part but dumb as fuck. Not much going on in their heads.

I wouldn't go out to kick an animal, but after spending time with them I really don't consider their deaths morally relevant. They're there for my comfort and entertainment. Pets are the same, we'd eat dogs too if they didn't taste like shit.

[Anonymous No.8598766]

>>8598742
>I don't see anyone trying to set up care for prospective mothers so they don't have to abort.
while you're busy watching politicians and "activists" I'm busy financially supporting Capitol Hill Crisis Pregnancy Center, a pro life non-profit in Washington DC that offers all the non-abortive help in the world to scared mothers.

and you're goddamn right its a eugenics program aimed at black america. its a black HOLOCAUST. But hey, gotta protect women's rights.

[Anonymous No.8598780]

>I love people
>I hate people who steal and kill other people

>WOOOOW WTF COGNITIVE DISSONANCE HERE OMG THIS ONE'S GOING ON 5CHAN

[Anonymous No.8598786]

>>8598747
>someone typed this

lmfao

[Anonymous No.8598808]

>>8595716
I ate your mom, but that doesn't mean I love her.

[Anonymous No.8598813]

>>8598780
>animals are murderers

[Anonymous No.8598835]

>>8598813
Animals kill each other constantly.

[Anonymous No.8598849]

>>8598835
Livestock don't nor do we give them a fair trial.

[Anonymous No.8598880]

>>8598813
that wasn't even my point, but fine, faggot

>I love people
>but some people I hate

[Anonymous No.8598930]

>>8598849
>Livestock don't
What are you fucking talking about? Chickens kill each other all the fucking time. They're a bunch of vicious retards who will peck to death any chicken different from the flock.
>nor do we give them a fair trial.
Because they do not and shouldn't have human rights.

[Anonymous No.8598977]

>>8596344
Agreed. But I am not Muslim, Hindu, or Jewish and even then we are discussing animals vs no animals. Halal meat and kosher meat is still meat from an animal. So different religions may argue against eating SOME animals or SOME meat but that doesn't rule out all of it.

>>8596288
Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life

[Anonymous No.8598996]

>>8595716
I use my dog, which I love, to kill birds and small game, which I eat. This is good and just.

Some we love.
Some we kill.
Some we eat.

As logical and natural as can be.

Maybe the mistake is that you've placed the genus homo in a special class outside the rest of the animal kingdom. Because you're an arrogant ignoramus.

[Anonymous No.8599087]

>>8595716
the pig is for eating
the dog is for fucking
i wouldnt eat something i came inside

[Anonymous No.8599112]

Fucking corpse-eaters, I hate them.

[Anonymous No.8599127]

you dont seem to understand that it doesnt fucking matter, animals have no feelings and you shouldnt care, survuval of the fittest you fucking pussy

[Anonymous No.8599136]

>>8595716

[Anonymous No.8599158]

>>8596211
>stake with salt
>rice with with salt
>beans with salt
>boiled spinach
>boiled carrots

Any day, every day, just writing this made me hungry.

[Anonymous No.8599166]

>>8595716
Isn't it fucked up how there are some vegans that abuse their pets by making them eat a vegan diet?

And isn't it fucked up that if the meat and dairy industry goes down, most livestock would be culled because there would be nobody to take care of them?

[Anonymous No.8599168]

I don't see the problem.
I discriminate which living beings i love, which i ignore and which i harm for my profit, at will.
Humans included, and you are the same, you wouldn't leave your brother lying in the gutter, but you leave the hobos to freeze in the winter.
I loved my cat, but i won't pick the strays out of the rain and i know pigs can be pets, but i would rather have one in my plate.

[Anonymous No.8599199]

>>8599127
what a cool guy

[Anonymous No.8599202]

>Animals also eat meat


>ANIMALS ARE EVIL AND EAT OTHER ANIMALS

BUT DONT EAT THEM YOUD BE AN ANIMAL EATER TOO AND THATS ALSO JUST AS BAD

[Anonymous No.8599215]

We never used to tolerate these vegan threads here.
Vegan mods took this place over a few years ago and no one has chased them out.
Shame

[Anonymous No.8599219]

>>8595716
We're top of the food chain and they taste good. Stop being a pussy. Farm bred animals are born to be eaten. Becoming a vegetarian will not stop that animal from being slaughtered, somebody else will just buy it. At that point it's a piece of meat with no emotions so don't worry, your steak isn't going to be upset that you're eating it.

or are you hoping that bacon pigs dont go to piggy heaven where everything is happy and nobody every feels sad!

vegetarianism is such a childish practice that I just can't wrap my head around. if somebody can explain it to me with something other than hippy reasoning then please do, might even change my opinion

[Anonymous No.8599226]

>>8598849
>Livestock don't
Are you serious?

[Anonymous No.8599232]

>>8599219
To be fair here, IF you could buy a meat replacement product that looked, smelled, cooked, and tasted the EXACT same somehow, AND it costed the same if not less than the actual meat product, would you not use the replacement product instead?

You can say no, but give more of a reason than just 'fuck you i like the original stuff'.

[Anonymous No.8599357]

>>8595718
I like how your little daughter's asshole taste, i think it's OK for me to fuck it

[Anonymous No.8599423]

If I kept a pig as a pet, then I would be upset if someone tried to kill it for food. I don't. I keep a cat as a pet. My level of caring even extends superficially to animals that other humans designate as pets, but not to the point that I would respect some Vegan Sperglord claiming "all animals are my pets."

Mate, I send zero of my income, except that which is extracted from me by tax, to help HUMAN ANIMALS. I have some vague notion that a bunch of places around the world are subpar for other humans, but I can't even bring myself to use any of the value I generate to make those places better. I'm part of an economy that exploits those places to make novel toys. If I were to make a correction to my ethical decisions, why should I start with veganism before humanism?

[Anonymous No.8599434]

>>8599087
/thread

[Anonymous No.8599455]

>>8599232
not that anon but I would use the replacement. this of course is assuming that it's not made out of some weird shit that's going to give me bitchtits or exploding ass syndrome or something.

[Anonymous No.8599480]

>>8599219
do you vote

[Anonymous No.8599484]

>>8595716
>I think eating eggs is murder!!!
>abortion is OK though!

[Anonymous No.8599488]

>>8595716

Get fucked you vegan faglord.

[Anonymous No.8599524]

Didn't bother to read the thread, but its about animals and it is in a food thread so here are some tasty animals.

[Anonymous No.8599527]

Tank of meat

[Anonymous No.8599566]

>>8595716
Cognitive dissonance is not a mental disorder it is a form of illogical thinking humans use to mantain stability

[Anonymous No.8599567]

>>8595716
me too

[Anonymous No.8599622]

Humans bred their dogs and cats for thousands upon thousands of years from wild animals into companions genetically distinct from those animals. They also bred the animals they eat for just as long to be eaten, they are also genetically distinct but we made them fatter and dumber instead of prettier and smarter. The upside for them comes when you realize that in 2016 there were nearly 800 million pigs alive in the world.

When you abuse or eat a companion animal you're showing a lack of compassion towards an animal that your species created to love you nearly unconditionally. It's your place as a human to know why these animals exist and why they behave the way they do, you created them and they're your responsibility. Ignorant of that fact or unwilling to uphold it does not matter, you can and will be punished for your transgression.

When you eat a consumption animal you are not being disrespectful, that is our arrangement with those animals, just as modern humans are descendants of wild animals shaped by the societies they have created so too are consumption animals a production of human craft.

I don't want to eat a cat, or a dog, or a horse, I don't want to eat animals I should have nothing to do with like snakes and deer and even the wild variants of animals I would normally eat - I do not want them, I want human food made by human crafts. Consumption animals are all someone's else's property, get over it. If you want to be nice to a pig, buy one.

[Anonymous No.8599632]

Gay cunt

[Anonymous No.8599637]

>>8595716
I don't eat the animal that I love. How fucking stupid are you?

[Anonymous No.8599639]

>>8595716
I don't love animals.

[Anonymous No.8599725]

>>8595716
if animal life is so precious how come i eat them?
vegans 0
normal people 1

[Anonymous No.8599733]

>>8599232
is it soy based and likely to reduce testosterone and give me cancer?
does it have proteins and the right kind of animal proteins my body needs?

[Anonymous No.8599764]

niggers are destroying society.

/ck/ moderators regularly fornicate with and care about niggers, and are known as some of the worst and most useless pieces of human filth on the planet (aside from niggers of course.)

one day, I hope a great plague wipes out all /ck/ janitors, their families, and their friends, as well as niggers, so that the world may finally be a better and more enjoyable place.

[Anonymous No.8599946]

>>8595716
cats are cool and their meat is stringy
dogs are bad and their meat is off putting
i'm not saying they can't taste good, i'm saying you can't corral a bunch of them and have them taste as fucking good as chickens or cows or any other animals that continents across the planet have decided have the best meat to friend ratio

[Anonymous No.8600194]

>>8595746
A hermit isn't gonna give a shit about calling himself a vegan or not. As an aside, I feel like it'd be cool as hell to be one in the right place.

[Anonymous No.8600253]

>>8595716
Love dogs, don't eat them!

[Anonymous No.8600421]

>>8595716
because that's gonna happen anyways, might as well enjoy it.

you DO realize you can love animals AND eat meat right? those things are not mutually exclusive. Also you're not the one killing animals either. Animals also would eat humans if given the chance and they can "love" us too.

Stop doing mental gymnastics, you've obviously arriving at shit conclusions, so just eat meat, love animals and enjoy it.

[Anonymous No.8600441]

desu i pretty much only like cats and me and my cat love to eat other animals together

[Anonymous No.8600578]

>>8597491
Morally it is equivalent to eating plants. However, it is not done by vegs for a simple reason – there is less ambiguity in, and it's simply more concise to follow a philosophy of "no animals" rather than "no organisms with a nervous system" (which is with lesser lifeforms always less clear). There is nothing "hypocritical" about it. It's only consistent if one legitimately suffers from autism.

[Anonymous No.8600580]

>>8600578
>incosistent

[Anonymous No.8600600]

>>8596911
So why is it okay for wild animals to kill "innocent animals" just because they are dumb animals? what does it matter whos hands they die by, starving, dumb, cruel, or otherwise?

your answer is either "kill all carnivores" or "its okay to eat meat."

[Anonymous No.8600605]

>Be human
>nearest ancestor is a hominid ape, an omnivore
>after that, another omnivore
>after that, another omnivore
>"
>After that an obligate carnivore

"We shouldnt eat meat and we should let cows roam free" says the vegan who turns a blind eye when a wild cat gores an Aurochs. "Its just their nature" you might say. Well, its our human nature as relegated by our dentition and our intestinal structure that we eat meat, and if we don't eat meat, we die. Our ancestors hunted and scavenged animals. We will continue to do so for millennia more. Are you so pussified and sheltered that the idea of sacrificing another animal for food is some sort of taboo?

just
>vegans

[Anonymous No.8600607]

>>8596911
>wild animals don't have capabilities to reason, think, or adapt
>therefore, wild animals are not able to form rational thought
>This includes things that vegans anthropomorphize on animals like love
>Caledonian crows can solve multi tiered mazes
>Primates form complex social hierarchies

God you're dense.

[Anonymous No.8600977]

>>8599480
Yes

[Anonymous No.8601006]

>>8600605
>Well, its our human nature as relegated by our dentition and our intestinal structure that we eat meat, and if we don't eat meat, we die.

well considering the existence of vegans then your claim is obviously stupid.

[Anonymous No.8601095]

>>8595716
I keep and eat chickens, rabbits, and guinea pigs.
I like to eat the ugly or shy guinea pigs first. I hope to eventually have a breeding pair of adorable, outgoing guinea pigs.
Then, and only then, I will have the conundrum of what to do about being a bigot.
Until then... tasty, ugly, fearful guinea pigs.
Chickens are born to die, and rabbits are assholes.

[Anonymous No.8601274]

>>8601006
>stupid
So are vegans.

[Anonymous No.8601341]

>>8595716
i eat non cute animals

[Anonymous No.8601460]

>>8597458
Please explain how you were strawmanned here.

[Anonymous No.8601537]

>>8595768

Holy fuck you're stupid

[Anonymous No.8601612]

I love my dog my cat my pig my cow and my chickens im not going to eat my pets but ill eat the ones i dont care about. Are you just stupid animals raised for food are not pets animals raised to be pets are not food fuck out of here you mudalime

[Anonymous No.8601762]

>>8595716
I love animals that most people love, i eat animals that most people eat, not all animals are the same, animals are not equal to each other

[Anonymous No.8601801]

>>8595718
fpbp

>>8599357
that makes no sense, if you love how her asshole tastes you should be eating her asshole, not fucking it

[Anonymous No.8602574]

You need meat to stay healthy

[Anonymous No.8602591]

>>8595832
With a glass of milk

[Anonymous No.8602603]

Corpse-eaters should be euthanized

[Anonymous No.8602604]

>>8597681
Lol

[Anonymous No.8602643]

>>8597715
Such as?

[Anonymous No.8602645]

>>8596923
Generally, ignorance is not considered to be equated with innocence except by the simple minded and poorly raised.

>didn't know the earth was round
>didn't know that you had AIDs to spread
>didn't know that there might be children crossing the street
>didn't know that your actions could have consequences for others

But they do.
It's often the most ignorant among us that are seeking to constantly judge others morally.

[Anonymous No.8602670]

>>8595716
anything is game, even dogs. even people. tribes do it, and people hunt wild dogs im sure

[Anonymous No.8602901]

>>8601274

brilliant response there pal.

[Anonymous No.8603010]

>>8598535
I can't speak for OP but I am a pro-life vegan. And I agree with you.

[Anonymous No.8603380]

>>8598141
>The truth is that animals are in all essential respects identical with us
No, they're not.

[Anonymous No.8603396]

>>8598184
See, the problem is you can't apply logic to morals because morals are ultimately based on feels and feels are irrational.
Reason can only ever be slave to the passions; it can tell you how to achieve the thing you want, but not what you should want.

[Anonymous No.8603399]

>>8595716
NICE BAIT

[Anonymous No.8603654]

I try to generally avoid eating meat for the sake of trying to be somewhat more environmentally conscious because meats use up a lot of resources. Eating meat does bug me at times because of the fact it was a living creature previously, but i still eat fish without a problem so that seems a bit hypocritical so I don't whine about it like a baby.

[Anonymous No.8603667]

>>8598535
I find that so annoying, also I hate how oftentimes vegans will be really fucking insistent and forceful on their opinions but get mad when pro-lifers express their's.

[Anonymous No.8603697]

>>8597726
>Although stereo types would have you think other wise
So then you go on to say that old Korean dudes miss eating dog. Knowing that the West has had a tremendous impact across all parts of the globe, could you not say that the taboo of eating dog in China was derived from Western thinking? Your argument then about it merely being a stereotype is only half-true then, as nowadays people might not like eating dog so much, but only because of the influence of an outside culture; the Chinese themselves would still have no problem eating dog if left to their own devices.
Just wanted to argue desu

[Anonymous No.8603769]

>>8597604
If animal byproducts are that pervasive then it's kind of like hassling a libertarian for accepting the help of a publically funded fire department. You just do what you can within a system that sometimes requires you to embrace hypocrisy.

[Anonymous No.8603784]

>>8598535
It isn't that surprising to value the life of a mammal with a brain over a mammal without one, even considering species.

[Anonymous No.8603790]

The problem with eating meat, especially red meat, isn't moral but environmental. Cows emit one of the most potent greenhouse gases on the planet: methane.

This combined with the large amount of land dedicated just to cattle farming and the pollution produced in the processing and production of meat products is a much better case against meat consumption than animal cruelty imo.

[Anonymous No.8603800]

>>8595716
My parents raise pigs and sheep and we slaughter them every year for meat. It's really sad but at least at my parents house then they can have a happy end to their life. I hate killing them but happy animals taste better

[Anonymous No.8603811]

>>8595836
Horses are invasive to the US as well and over populating. The government has ranches where they round up wild ones and just let them waste away

[Anonymous No.8603927]

>>8598766
I'm looking through their offered services and these are the material goods they provide:
>free maternity clothes, baby clothes and supplies
Here are some other expenses that are involved in a healthy pregnancy:
>pre-natal vitamins, maternity leave (rare in low-wage positions), labor (doubled if c-section is required), care for premature birth (prevalence of 1 out of 10 births, cost ranging from the 10s to 100s of thousands, depending on location and how premature the delivery is), treatment for post-partum depression (prevalent in 1 in 9 women who give birth), childcare (rare and difficult to afford in low-wage positions), care for assorted birth defects (varying prevalences and costs)
That's off the top of my head, and that's all before the actual cost of raising the child, which I've always seen cited as ~$250k by their 18th birthday. I guess you could dock a few hundred off for the free clothes and probably formula/baby food that charity provides.

And that's all just financial. The support provided for a pregnant woman is paltry, and a proper clinical abortion is a much safer procedure than a pregnancy/delivery to start.

The only "black genocide" you could reasonably suggest is linked to abortion actually hinges on low wages and high medical costs prohibiting otherwise willing mothers from choosing to proceed with an expensive and life/career-consuming pregnancy. Otherwise it's just women choosing that they want to live a lifestyle free from all of those financial and temporal and emotional expenses in spite of having had sex at least once, which is only a genocide if you stretch the definition to mean "cultural values that aren't strictly pro-natalist".

[Anonymous No.8603952]

>>8603800
>I hate killing them but happy animals taste better

What is this new age hippie nonsense? We all know that it is the pain and suffering that makes an animal taste better.

Just read up on the ortolan bunting.

The birds are caught with nets set during their autumn migratory flight to Africa. They are then kept in covered cages or boxes. This "artificial night" causes the birds to gorge themselves on grain (usually millet seed) until they double their bulk. "Roman Emperors stabbed out ortolans’ eyes in order to make the birds think it was night, making them eat even more". The birds are then thrown into a container of Armagnac which both drowns and marinates the birds.

[Anonymous No.8603963]

>>8596447
This is what vegans don't get. Should we stop eating meat to be humane and all that shit? Sure. Do we WANT to stop eating meat to be humane and all that shit? Hell no.

[Anonymous No.8604019]

>Vegans think they have the moral high ground while combine harvesters, pesticides and nitrogen fertilizers cripple entire ecosystems and kill thousands of animals

Makes me laugh every time.

>But I'm against all that stuff, too!

I'm -totally- sure you're in the hilarious minority of vegans that grow ALL their own food/buy nothing but local organic crops. Totally. I'm surprised you can pretend that your shit doesn't stink with your head that far up your own ass.

[Anonymous No.8604034]

>>8604019
Oh look, another fat fuck exaggerating or completely fabricating bullshit to justify his own awful self

Sad!

[Anonymous No.8604066]

>>8604019
See
>>8603769
They'd ideally only support farms without those issues, but it isn't feasible for the average citizen under our current systems. In any case, those issues are multiplied by the harvests required to feed livestock, not just direct human consumption, so they would hypothetically be reducing that environmental strain by requiring fewer cows be raised in accordance with overall demand. The issue is that they're such a small portion of the market they barely dent the production. Still, their hearts are in the right place.

[Anonymous No.8604069]

>>8604034
Except it's scientifically backed.

[Anonymous No.8604280]

>>8595716
It's not cognitive dissonance at all. You just have to accept that animals have roles in our society and that of dogs is emotional support while that of pigs is food. That's just its purpose. Nothing wrong with that, both are honorable duties and the only morally wrong stance to take is arguing that pigs are food animals because they're inferior creatures. They're not, they're just most useful as food.

[Anonymous No.8604319]

>>8604280
>You just have to accept

That's just how things ARE, man.

>why
Because.
>why
Because.
>WHY
BECAUSE.

[Anonymous No.8604340]

>>8604069
By who?

You?

LOL

[Anonymous No.8604445]

>>8604280
>it's not cognitive dissonance, let me just describe a system that could only exist through cognitive dissonance!

[Anonymous No.8604455]

>>8595716
All of God's creatures have a place on this Earth...
right next to the potatoes.

[Anonymous No.8604475]

>>8604455
I'd bet that you just hate it when people try to talk to you in the morning before you've had your coffee lol

[Anonymous No.8604558]

>>8595716
>Equating animals specifically bred for food to domesticated pets

Are you that dumb?

[Anonymous No.8604563]

I recognize that I am not separate from animals, even with intellect I and you are still animals and it is natural

[Anonymous No.8604573]

>>8595716
>all animals are the same
>humans arent an animal
>there are no species
>animals are not unique
>they can all be lumped into one group
>a group called animals

I love my dogs and my rats, guess what else, we all eat bacon.

[Anonymous No.8604607]

>>8596612
WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS