Why the fuck do I always get weird looks in the store when I ask 'where are the non-organic veggies?'. Like, jesus titty fucking christ, I'm so sorry I'm not into your fad. I don't give people weird looks when they buy organic.

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Anonymous Sat Jun 6 20:25:12 2015 No.6573930 [Reply] [Original]

Why the fuck do I always get weird looks in the store when I ask 'where are the non-organic veggies?'.

Like, jesus titty fucking christ, I'm so sorry I'm not into your fad. I don't give people weird looks when they buy organic.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 20:26:30 2015 No.6573937 File: 276 KB, 384x384, le fat guy epix.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] yfw

>>	OP Sat Jun 6 20:27:52 2015 No.6573942 File: 21 KB, 580x379, Obama-stupid-on-his-face-111252484879.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6573937

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 20:38:04 2015 No.6573974 >>6573930 Because no matter what, all vegetables are organic.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 20:54:05 2015 No.6574018 Probably because you're a retard who thinks normal vegetables are stored in some magical kingdom far, far away from the organic ones? They're all in the produce aisle, dumbass.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 20:55:53 2015 No.6574023 File: 325 KB, 597x445, hung low chun.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6573937 >implying any fast food place serves shitty crinkle cut fries

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 20:57:27 2015 No.6574028 >>6574023 the shittiest ones do, and they actually exist. Trufaqz

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 21:01:37 2015 No.6574040 >>6573930 Because they're probably assuming you're going to try to use it to force them into listening to your unhinged rant about how libruls and tumblr are forcing you to eat hippie soy foods. You set off their weirdo detectors, as you're doing now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 21:01:55 2015 No.6574041 >>6574023 Burger King Raising Canes

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 21:02:11 2015 No.6574042 >>6574023 You don't like crinkle cut? IMO the shittiest cut is "steak house."

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 21:02:45 2015 No.6574045 >>6574041 WRONG Nathan's

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 21:10:01 2015 No.6574068 >>6574041 Almost forgot one: Culver's

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 21:20:30 2015 No.6574093 >>6574040 You know what happens when you assume...

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 21:24:10 2015 No.6574098 >>6574093 You cannot live without assuming. We're both asses no matter what we do, we're just not always aware of it. Dumb saying.

>>	OP Sat Jun 6 21:29:44 2015 No.6574105 >>6574098 True

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 21:29:45 2015 No.6574107 >>6574068 there's a place called burger express not far from where i live that serves crinkle cut or tots.

Anonymous Sat Jun 6 21:30:57 2015 No.6574112

>>6574098
I live pretty well without assuming everyone I talk to is going to rant at me at the slightly provocation.

>We're both asses no matter what we do, we're just not always aware of it.
I didn't know that was a saying, but you're right that doesn't sound pretty dumb.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 21:42:46 2015 No.6574139 >>6573930 Fuck, Chel is such a semen demon...

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 21:43:26 2015 No.6574142 >>6573937 >You're fat if you don't overpay for vegetables with zero nutritional difference /ck/

Anonymous Sat Jun 6 21:45:28 2015 No.6574144

>>6574142
Except that's wrong. Not only is there a nutritional difference, many of these pesticides cause you to gain weight.

It's amazing what people will assume they know. Have fun on your knees pleasuring Monsanto, touting the brilliance of pathetic engineering.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 21:46:04 2015 No.6574147 what the fuck store do you go to where you even need to ask this?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 21:47:02 2015 No.6574149 File: 11 KB, 271x271, 1395695239462.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6574144 >Not only is there a nutritional difference, many of these pesticides cause you to gain weight.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 21:49:24 2015 No.6574155 >>6574144 they use much worse pesticides and more of them on organic crops

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 21:50:44 2015 No.6574160 >>6574144 It really is amazing what people assume they know. I get that feeling just reading your post.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 21:58:00 2015 No.6574166 Organic veggies are very expensive at least here in France and taste just slighty better, I never buy them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 21:58:09 2015 No.6574168 >>6574155 Citation needed

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 22:01:29 2015 No.6574179 I am here to further stoke the shit fest. Everyone watch pen and tellers episode of Bullshit on organic food. All your questions will be answered.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 22:03:01 2015 No.6574183 >>6574168 >crops are no longer genetically resistant to pests >ergo need stronger pesticides seems reasonable to me.

>>	Terrible Person !.fNJV2Jlhw Sat Jun 6 22:11:23 2015 No.6574199 >>6574183 You average cup of coffee gives you about a 200% more chance of getting cancer than the pesticides they to spray crops with. I fuckin love coffee. I'm gonna brew some up right now in fact.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 22:13:04 2015 No.6574203 >>6574199 but coffee has anti cancer properties..

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 22:14:50 2015 No.6574208 >>6574168 Organic means no "artificial" chemicals, and no artificial means they have to resort to outdated, more harmful chemicals also they don't use GMO which is terrible

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 22:17:40 2015 No.6574217 >>6573974 No.

>>	Terrible Person !.fNJV2Jlhw Sat Jun 6 22:20:40 2015 No.6574226 >>6574203 It has good and bad just like everything. I think its something to do with the way caffeine blocks the shit that naturally makes you tired. But like a cup a day or every other day is great for the liver.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 22:21:42 2015 No.6574227 >the very fact that a market for organic food exists people are the worst

Anonymous Sat Jun 6 22:25:55 2015 No.6574235

>>6574149
>Do my research for me. Free me from my ignorance, because I'm unwilling to do it myself.
I'll never understand. I'm not going to go source hunting for you either, here's a few resources to get you started. You'll use them if you want to try to build an honest picture of our present knowledge.

https://books.google.com/books?id=tf-lA52fXJwC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://www.fasebj.org/content/29/1_Supplement/776.2
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1242012/pdf/ehp0112-000854.pdf
https://books.google.com/books?id=M5gXkp3mgCsC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

These are herbicides.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0005186
http://toxsci.oxfordjournals.org/content/54/1/121.full
The focus here is a species of frog, but there's some overlap with humans.
http://www.pnas.org/content/99/8/5476.full
http://people.csail.mit.edu/seneff/Entropy/entropy-15-01416.pdf

About adipose in general.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3569688/

There's a lot else to be said. The point isn't to overwhelm you. You have an underlying idea that you're making a smart and informed choice, the correct one, the one that all those dumb trend following organic morons cannot see. When it's all far from certain and pretty clearly incorrect. Absolutely no reason to be eating bullshit if you can help it

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 22:32:46 2015 No.6574246 >>6573930 >>6573930 Genetics labtech and published researcher here. GMOs are 110% safe. 'Organic' producs are for retards who dont groom themselves and believe that cellphones will cook their brain.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 22:36:13 2015 No.6574254 >>6574235 http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0005186 >Thinking that PS2 and mitochondreal activities arnt regulated in totally separate ways. >n=48 Thats a bit weak, lets try the next one.

Anonymous Sat Jun 6 22:40:14 2015 No.6574260

>>6574246
Link papers.

Probably not too impressive though, given that you don't seem to understand heat shock proteins or controlling for error when faced with ambiguity. Tell me more about how much we understand about magnetic fields and the human brain. Enlighten me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 22:43:28 2015 No.6574269 >>6574246 >GMOs are 110% safe and are the same as selective breeding which the ancient romanians were doing 250,000 years ago Fixed that for ya, Shilly McHalftruth

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 22:43:55 2015 No.6574270 >>6574260 there is literally no evidence that GMOs are unsafe for human consumption

Anonymous Sat Jun 6 22:45:10 2015 No.6574272

>>6574260
My most recent.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3985007/

Specifically the last before I left academia.

My specialties are in cell culture, merestematic signaling, eukaryote cell differentiation, and endocrinology.

>>6574269
Have fun putting words in my mouth, Im sure everyone is impressed.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 22:45:48 2015 No.6574274 >>6574270 What makes you say that?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 22:47:25 2015 No.6574278 >>6574274 the scientific consensus, and the utter lack of reputable research suggesting GMOs are unsafe for human consumption

Anonymous Sat Jun 6 22:52:28 2015 No.6574288

>>6574278
There is very rarely a scientific consensus in these sort of areas. Your perception is skewed by whatever entity you've chosen to take as authoritative has told you. I've yet to see sufficient evidence to judge them as safe and worthy of any trust.

Regurgitated data and "truths" are something to always be questioned. For example, go find a metanalysis. Any sort. Then read all the studies they pulled from. Chances are, all the opinion stuff and even some of the weighting for the raw data, you might find yourself disagreeing with. That's just how it goes.

Besides. History should tell you we've already done this, may, many times. It is only striking how we never fail to act like we're a stranger.

>>	OP Sat Jun 6 22:52:49 2015 No.6574292 Yes~ Yeees~ Let us dive deeper into the festering pool~

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 22:54:04 2015 No.6574295 >>6574288 >There is very rarely a scientific consensus >>6574246 >GMOs are 110% safe, I'm a scientist Which one of these is wrong?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 22:55:43 2015 No.6574297 >>6574144 You're a twat waffle.

Anonymous Sat Jun 6 22:56:45 2015 No.6574301

>>6574288
>There is very rarely a scientific consensus in these sort of areas
Thats not true at all.

Hell, scientists have an even stronger consensus on GMO food than they do global warming, it is up there with evolution and gravity with near every educated person being in on the consensus

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 22:58:05 2015 No.6574308 >>6574288 >I've yet to see sufficient evidence to judge them as safe and worthy of any trust. what the fuck standard do you need it to meet?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:01:01 2015 No.6574317 I buy nonorganic produce because it's cheaper than organic. That's it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:03:15 2015 No.6574325 >>6574317 thats the reason most people buy normal fucking food instead of paying half again for food thats just made in china anyway, i.e. there's no way in hell its clean.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:04:33 2015 No.6574328 >>6574308 You're putting this food into your body. Just think about that. Would you not want to be absolutely sure that it's safe to eat?

Terrible Person !.fNJV2Jlhw Sat Jun 6 23:04:41 2015 No.6574330

>>6574317
I just do it (non organic) because I somewhat trust bigger companies that are often forced to be more transparent about what they have in or on their food. Like...I don't like the idea of harsher pesticides on organic, or that organic takes more land to grow, or that a lot of the time it isn't even locally grown or raised.

I'm gonna die someday. I'd rather have food that in general is helping humanity, not hindering it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:05:00 2015 No.6574332 >>6574317 well it is basically the same thing, organic is slightly worse for you thanks to the harsher pesticides, but they are very similar so it would make no sense to buy the more expensive version

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:05:33 2015 No.6574334 >>6574328 Do you also purify all of the air you breathe to such standards?

Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:05:56 2015 No.6574335

>>6574301
>Thats not true at all.
That's not the kind of statement you can leave floatin' on its own.

>Hell, scientists have an even stronger consensus on GMO food than they do global warming,
This is fallacious and disingenuous. Climate change has a number of models and a large margin for error. It's very uncertain and ambiguous, there is definitely a clustering of possibilities, but the scale is just too large. The two aren't comparable.

Also, on the first part of your sentence, again. That's not something you can leave on its own.

>it is up there with evolution and gravity with near every educated person being in on the consensus
That's just a ridiculous statement.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:06:18 2015 No.6574340 >>6574328 how can you ever be absolutely sure of anything? There is no plausible mechanism by which this would be unsafe. its silly and anti-intellectual to avoid it

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:07:43 2015 No.6574346 >>6574335 So basically your argument is "no, you are wrong, because I say so"?

Terrible Person !.fNJV2Jlhw Sat Jun 6 23:07:49 2015 No.6574347

>>6574328
There is never an 'absolutely' sure about fucking anything. Even if you grow and raise your own food, shit happens. A deer with some nasty ass disease can come and take a piss and shit on your garden and land you in the hospital.

Shit happens. I'd rather have food that is held to higher standards and in general produces more for humanity. There for saving me a buck so I can enjoy my short existence instead of trying to research every goddamn drink out of the tap or bite of an apple I take.

If I die in a car crash, I want that fucking slice of cake beforehand and not be pissed that I spent my time worrying over whether or not it was good for me in the long run.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:09:08 2015 No.6574350 >>6574347 Being pissed presupposes there is an afterlife. An afterlife without cake, no less.

Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:10:27 2015 No.6574355

>>6574335
GMO food is not even remotely controversial amongst scientifically literate people, it has a very strong consensus, especially when it comes to the safety of its consumption (the only arguments against it come from ecological/economic points of view and even those are quite limited)

Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:10:48 2015 No.6574356

>>6574308
A point when I can look at it and think my chance for error is low enough that I can take a risk that was unnecessary to begin with.

Humans are garbage engineers, especially when they're in an environment that pushes them to engineer for all the wrong things in all the wrong ways. If our engineering seemed to respectable and responsible, it's probably push my logic a slightly different direction. As it stands, it's possible for nature to suddenly and unexpectedly harm me, but the chances are far lower. I'll go with something that isn't so much of a black box that we've already supported with time. Those are so quite long term safety studies.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:11:48 2015 No.6574359 >>6574346 No, Anon. That was your argument.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:12:25 2015 No.6574360 >>6574356 >Humans are garbage engineers They are literally the best engineers that have ever existed

>>	Terrible Person !.fNJV2Jlhw Sat Jun 6 23:12:48 2015 No.6574364 >>6574350 Well, I think I would be more mad at that moment I was bleeding out. Just like "Fuck man. Why didn't I have that cake? Fuckin GMOS that's why. Oh fuck, why do I give a shit? FUCK MAN"

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:13:39 2015 No.6574368 >>6574330 I know the mentality is somewhat poisonous but what does it really matter what you do if death is inevitable?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:15:18 2015 No.6574375 >>6574360 Nature has done and continues to do a better job on the whole. We just know what we want and want it now.

Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:15:58 2015 No.6574377

>>6574356
the conflation of natural and good is a ridiculous thing, it genuinely bothers be that so many anti-intellectual people have embraced the sentiment to a point where the belief is effectng public policy and the marketing tactics of major corporations (see the entire anti-GMO, organic, and anti-vax movement)

Terrible Person !.fNJV2Jlhw Sat Jun 6 23:16:35 2015 No.6574380

>>6574368
Death is just natures way of recycling and making sure shit doesn't get boring. Just like how at the end of the day you want to sleep and just recoup. Shit would get insanely boring if nothing ever seemed fresh or new.

I would absolutely loath being immortal.

So why does it matter? It really doesn't, but it's healthier and easier to live a somewhat happy life with happy people around you.

Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:17:27 2015 No.6574382

>>6574375
>Nature has done and continues to do a better job on the whole.
What does this even mean?

How can you possibly argue that?

Before humans started artificially growing crops and livestock the human race was in awful shape and the world could only support a tiny fraction of the current population

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:18:51 2015 No.6574386 >>6574380 >I would absolutely loath being immortal. yeah fuck those grapes am I right fellow mortals

Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:19:26 2015 No.6574388

>>6574377
>the conflation of natural and good is a ridiculous thing,
So is the rejection of some natural being able to be better, simply out of fear of the very mindset you've expressed disgust with.

Either way. I never made that connection. Unfortunately science is no longer an intelligent tool to unravel how things tick, it's more of a religion. There will always be the types who cannot, or will not, see the bigger picture and prefer to ride the mad up and down waves of what they perceive as scientific Truth.

>>	Terrible Person !.fNJV2Jlhw Sat Jun 6 23:19:27 2015 No.6574389 >>6574386 I don't get the joke, but that post made me laugh a little

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:20:31 2015 No.6574392 >>6574382 Yet we cannot design a system capable of even basic dynamic intelligence.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:20:34 2015 No.6574393 >>6574386 everybody knows only fags eat grapes because they like the sourness of them it reminds them of being gay

Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:21:04 2015 No.6574395

>>6574377
Its a simpler heuristic for simpler people. The prescription medication market these days is so broad and deep that you legitimately need a 4 year degree to make an informed decision. I dont fault them for it personally, I fault the society which has failed to make the tools for understanding important choices mandatory.

>>6574382
The modifications humans have done by selection or otherwise are minute in comparison to the machinery on the whole. I agree that we are making great leaps, but, as someone how works with these things on a daily basis, you can rarely assume that you can just "do better". Every single little bit of how every single organism functions exists for a reason tied to natural selection. If you make changes writ large without understanding what you're changing you'll get nothing done. We are, for the time being, rats in a maze, patting ourselves on the back for building a civilization around the few places cheese has happened to drop, and only now gnawing holes in the walls to speed our progress.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:22:00 2015 No.6574397 >>6574389 Have you ever heard an immortal person criticize immortality?

Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:22:38 2015 No.6574399

>>6574388
>science is no longer an intelligent tool to unravel how things tick, it's more of a religion
lol what?

>So is the rejection of some natural being able to be better,
Of course natural things are not better than variants of natural things that we designed specifically to be better

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:22:45 2015 No.6574401 >>6574397 Have you ever met someone immortal.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:23:16 2015 No.6574403 >>6574401 That is an important part of the joke.

Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:23:21 2015 No.6574405

>>6574395
Speaking of cognitive biases, the funny thing is, the more knowledge you make available to people, the more tools are at their disposal, the less intelligent they tend to become.

They're still morons, just now they're educated morons. The core issue lies elsewhere.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:23:47 2015 No.6574406 >>6574392 >Yet we cannot design a system capable of even basic dynamic intelligence. what does that have to do with anything?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:24:43 2015 No.6574409 >>6574399 >lol what? Hence, the problem. >Of course natural things are not better than variants of natural things that we designed specifically to be better This has nothing to do with what I said.

Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:24:58 2015 No.6574412

>>6574395
>. If you make changes writ large without understanding what you're changing you'll get nothing done.
you do not need to understand the function of every single base pair to know what adding a well documented and understood gene will do with reference to human consumption

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:24:58 2015 No.6574413 >>6574405 the problem is the ability to separate useful from useless information. Its the most important skill people have and the least common.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:24:58 2015 No.6574414 >>6574397 I'll get back to you on that when I meet Keanu Reeves.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:25:58 2015 No.6574417 >>6574409 So how exactly is science no longer good and "a religion"

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:27:41 2015 No.6574420 >>6574417 Not whoever that is, but I suppose it becomes one when you become as antagonistic and annoying as an overzealous theist.

Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:28:48 2015 No.6574427

>>6574417
Science is a tool. It is not inherently good or bad, it just is.

Compare how people treat science to common religions and types of religious thought. Evaluate your own thoughts, it will become clear. In fact, everything about modern science has a direct religious equivalent. They are largely the same under different names, and this disappoints and bothers me greatly.

>>	Terrible Person !.fNJV2Jlhw Sat Jun 6 23:29:35 2015 No.6574430 >>6574397 lol >>6574414 lol

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:30:05 2015 No.6574431 >>6574427 >Science is a tool. It is not inherently good or bad Knowing the truth is inherently good

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:30:36 2015 No.6574433 >>6574431 Says who?

Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:31:12 2015 No.6574435

>>6574427
>Compare how people treat science to common religions and types of religious thought. Evaluate your own thoughts, it will become clear. In fact, everything about modern science has a direct religious equivalent. They are largely the same under different names, and this disappoints and bothers me greatly.
Examples?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:31:49 2015 No.6574436 >>6574433 You're right, delusion is probably better.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:31:54 2015 No.6574438 >>6574431 That's arguable. As is if you can ever actually grasp verifiably true "truth". But that's a whole different conversation I don't really care to go into at the moment.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:32:25 2015 No.6574441 >>6574433 well if you are content to live in ignorance so be it, but I genuinely hope most humans would consider the pursuit of knowledge to be an inherently good thing

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:33:40 2015 No.6574444 I ask that all the time OP and no one gives me a weird look they probably give you weird looks because of your face and how you smell

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:34:28 2015 No.6574450 >>6574441 I'm sure all these people must have a good reason for considering it good. What is that reason?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:37:36 2015 No.6574457 >>6574450 So your argument is that ignorance is good or at least equal to enlightenment?

Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:37:56 2015 No.6574459

>>6574435
Catholics listen to their pope and cardinals, along with lessor pastors, they act as a proxy to God, presumably possess greater understanding, and therefore higher Truth. This is upheld by faith.

People who have faith in science trust the word of various bodies. Anyone who says "scientifically proven!". These entities, these boards, they regurgitate something that is supposedly beyond the public understanding and speak for a Truth afforded by scientific endeavor. They utilize faith.

Likewise, they will conform to certain dogma. Ways of thinking, the "right" things to believe, the right way to view things and perceive. That which separates true from false, rational from irrational, enlightenment from fearful instinctual superstition.

Likewise many scientifically inclined sorts will reject philosophy as an irrelevant old world relic. Superseded by science. They will refuse to contemplate other ideas about their nature of their world because science holds all the truths they need, and the path to more.

Etc. The line of thought is nearly identical. We didn't outgrow religion, we just swapped out where we shoved our faith.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:40:27 2015 No.6574465 >>6574459 The biggest difference between science and religion is evidence.

Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:40:46 2015 No.6574466

>>6574459
>Anyone who says "scientifically proven!"
no one says that, science doesn't prove things

Scientists generate and investigate evidence, quite unlike religion which is based on analyzing ancient literature (well usually ancient but not necessarily so as Mormons and Scientologists demonstrate)

Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:41:57 2015 No.6574468

>>6574459

Anyone who is educated in modern philosophy, including professional scientists, would not have this belief. The kinds of people who reject philosophy are the kinds of people who walked past the philosophy section at Barnes and Noble and saw the books by Deepak Chopra and Eckhard Tolle and mistook that for actual philosophy.

Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:42:42 2015 No.6574471

>>6574459
>They will refuse to contemplate other ideas about their nature of their world because science holds all the truths they need, and the path to more.
such as?
Science is based on investigation, the polar opposite of the faith based system you are advocating

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:44:12 2015 No.6574473 >>6574468 the problem is "philosophy" is such a vague, all encompassing term. To say they reject philosophy really requires clarification

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:44:12 2015 No.6574474 >>6574459 Catholicism isn't a particularly good example of theism man. It's one kid fucking away from being a cult.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:46:20 2015 No.6574477 >>6574474 and interestingly, Catholicism is the least crazy of the large mainstream religions, they are the most apathetic to dogma and most likely to accept science of all the major denominations but really all religions are cults

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:46:36 2015 No.6574478 File: 33 KB, 500x354, 1430183065075.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6574235 >I'm gonna make a wild claim, but I shouldn't have to put any effort into backing it up because I'm too important!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:47:04 2015 No.6574481 >>6574023 del taco canes u wot m8

Anonymous Sat Jun 6 23:53:38 2015 No.6574506

>>6574477

I'd cite Buddhism but when you really think about it it's the most cult religion there is. You take kids that aren't old enough to make their own decisions, dress them in robes and tell them if they try real hard they won't come back to life as a fucking cockroach.

>>	OP Sun Jun 7 00:16:19 2015 No.6574561 >>6574444 >>4444 Ouch man. Ouch.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 00:31:24 2015 No.6574591 >>6573930 You only think you're getting weird looks because you're paranoid and hypersensitive. Nobody gives a shit about your vegetable preferences.

Anonymous Sun Jun 7 01:08:16 2015 No.6574666

>>6574478
Yep, that's exactly correct. In many ways I am very selfish, my time and energy being devoted to something I actually see as valuable is better than wasting everything on something I don't care much about. I have learned of my own will, and I expect others to do the same or not claim to hold a substantial opinion of any kind.

>>6574465
Evidence gathered via scientific endeavor is often treated dishonestly at best, delusionally at worst. If one cannot admit to themselves where their limitations lie, and shortcomings of where they draw their lines, of course evidence becomes meaningless. That's where we're still at, as a race we are barely at adolescence.

>>6574471
>you are advocating
That's not what's happening. Don't confuse your idea of me with actuality, and stop misinterpreting.

>>6574466
>no one says that
Oh for fuck's sake.

We're on the same boat but looking through a very different lens. I don't know where you're getting your perspective from, but it's nothing like my own.

>>6574468
And yet, I encounter people who say this constantly. Whether in words or actions.

You don't need to be educated in anything to not come to such foolish ideas. Some people arrive at their conclusions through faulty or misleading means. This isn't about some notion of the average scientist", it's about the human species as a whole.

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Either way. I'm feeling overwhelmed. Haven't slept more than 4 hours in the last 3 days and I'm having difficulty understanding pieces of my own sentences and how to add the thought I want on to what I've already said. Some of these responses are refreshing, but they're the exception, not the norm. I want to die or be off this planet. I can't reconcile my disgust.

Good night.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 01:21:20 2015 No.6574701 >>6574666 >Evidence gathered via scientific endeavor is often treated dishonestly at best, delusionally at worst. Got any evidence supporting that?

Anonymous Sun Jun 7 01:38:19 2015 No.6574728

>>6574701
History.

Examples are myriad and I find it difficult to believe you aren't capable of answering this yourself, outright, and immediately. This is the nature of the dishonesty and myopia we're plagued with. My advice, try. Just try. Unless you're brain damaged or have a near fatal case of naivety, you have all the data you need already. Piece it together. Model my personality archetype. Model how my psyche works, why my conclusions are as they are, how my train of thought works. You could probably even delve into postulating where my ancestors originated, you could define a spectrum of weighted possibilities concerning associative memory and reaction to linguistic prompts. It's like any other black box, any other machine.

If this thread still exists tomorrow, I might type out a more detailed reply. In truth I hope to see that this thread does still exist and someone even the slightest bit similar to me came around with something to say, but it just ain't ever so.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 01:42:11 2015 No.6574738 >>6574203 it's yea

Anonymous Sun Jun 7 01:44:15 2015 No.6574743

>>6574591

not him and I don't bother asking people but I do always go out of my way to find the non organic veggies because they're cheaper

organic veggies from local farmers might be tastier, but everything in the supermarket is going to be shit so you might as well pay less

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 01:44:28 2015 No.6574745 File: 101 KB, 540x1125, foxngrapes.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6574386 >>6574389 >>6574393

Anonymous Sun Jun 7 01:52:03 2015 No.6574756

I work for an organic farm-to-table restaurant owned by the person who also owns the farm, which is the largest organic farm in the state. Almost all our produce is delivered daily from the farm. I still don't eat organic because all supermarket produce is terrible.

Our shit is great though, but we have a couple vendors that are not organic that we get a few things from and they're also great. I think it's just a matter of whether or not the farm is shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 02:01:16 2015 No.6574769 >>6574666 >>6574728 This is some toastmaster class bullshitting right here. >as a race Go to bed, kid. Try not to wake up, maybe you'll find your hyper-intelligent paradise in the afterlife.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 02:10:12 2015 No.6574781 File: 1.28 MB, 186x238, 1394981235418.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6574769 >This is some toastmaster class bullshitting right here.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 02:17:31 2015 No.6574799 File: 79 KB, 400x533, road_to_eldorad.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6573930 Is this a Chel thread or not?

Anonymous Sun Jun 7 02:18:06 2015 No.6574801
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>>6574023
the best poutine joint in montreal sells 25$ large chicken poutine with crinkle cut fries, i used to drive over an hour to pickup one, even after work.

the names "Benny&Co'"

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 02:18:07 2015 No.6574802 >>6574166 You live in France, you bitches don't stoop to the depths of horror American farmers do. Organic helps us more.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 02:20:01 2015 No.6574809 >>6573930 Because you're ugly

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 02:21:13 2015 No.6574812 >>6574183 >crops are genetically resistant to pests >pests evolve stronger >need stronger pesticides The key here is to not let the bugs become resistant. Keep the bugs weak by using gentle methods ie natural predators or herbicidal soap or whatever.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 02:23:50 2015 No.6574815 >>6574812 Or develop a way of eliminating the pests.. permanently.

Anonymous Sun Jun 7 02:25:31 2015 No.6574818

>>6574278
>scientific consensus
And this comes from where? There were never any human trials. Animals trials were a mixed bag from what I've read. The "proof" that they're safe is merely that we can't pinpoint a specific decrease in health since we started using them with abandon. Not exactly a glowing recommendation. It's only been 20 years, you think that's long enough? Hint, it's not.

Anonymous Sun Jun 7 02:28:04 2015 No.6574822

>>6574815
We try but non-pest insects inevitably get caught in the crossfire. Insects are important to the ecosystem (our food and livelihood) and it's dumb as hell to go about killing them all. Soon enough food prices will be going up due to the lack of honeybees.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 02:36:03 2015 No.6574837 >>6574822 Which is why we need to hurry the hell up with lab-grown food. The insects serve a specific purpose, I'm not sure what it is but I'm sure it can be artificially manufactured.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 02:36:47 2015 No.6574840 >>6574465 And people will accept evidence from biased sources, as long as it's provided by someone they trust (a science-priest). Reddit-tier science worship is more about following the crowd than reading papers.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 02:38:48 2015 No.6574843 >>6574840 Name a source that isn't biased in some way.

Anonymous Sun Jun 7 02:40:08 2015 No.6574844

>>6574837
Or we could go back to methods that we know work, rather than trusting technology to save us from ourselves.

I don't know where this idea that organic farming always uses more dangerous pesticides came from, but it's certainly not always true. You don't need any pesticides at all if the farm is small enough to manage properly. Pesticides were not mass produced for the vast majority of the history of farming and man still ate.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 02:40:27 2015 No.6574845 >>6574843 The quran.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 02:42:12 2015 No.6574847 >>6574845 >implying it isn't biased towards muslims

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 02:44:04 2015 No.6574850 >>6574844 For the vast majority of history, the world wasn't overpopulated. Unless everyone starts farming, we need big farms.

Anonymous Sun Jun 7 02:44:31 2015 No.6574851

>>6574843
I'm just saying it's equally retarded to believe everything Bill Nye the Science Guy says because he's a Certified Science Guy. Above all, people want to believe in something in solidarity more than they want the truth. Being "scientific" is merely a trendy thing to do, for many dumb people. Science is harrowing and always questions the "consensus".

Anonymous Sun Jun 7 02:49:09 2015 No.6574861

>>6574850
Or we could pay a little more for food, or eat less meat, or stop wasting so much farmland on subsidized corn. It's not like the US has a population growth problem anyway, that's more of a third world thing. First worlders on the other hand want cheap ass bacon weaves smothering their breakfast steaks, lunch burgers, and dinner megasteaks.

Anonymous Sun Jun 7 02:55:01 2015 No.6574869

>>6574861
On the other hand, that's true that we might have nobody left to farm as more and more people have to support whatever new technology comes along.

But I hope it's the opposite- I hope we have more free time to restore a pre-war agrarian system that's based on a network of small farms. Food tastes better that way and is more nutritious. I'm not counting on a lab-based solution for everything, because if society collapses any such advances will disappear. Nature will be here longer than we will.

Well, eventually we're gonna run out of the petroleum that's needed to make fertilizer and pesticides, so by then we'll have to figure something out.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 03:01:22 2015 No.6574878 >>6574869 If there was a label indicating no nonrenewable resources were used in production, I would definitely support that more than a generic "organic" label.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 03:03:25 2015 No.6574882 >>6574851 Who believes everything Bill Nye says just because he's the science guy? Little kids? Rational people will analyze what he says and compare it to their own observations.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 03:14:11 2015 No.6574898 File: 137 KB, 776x602, 1396194783384.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6574728 toastmaster autist

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 03:17:18 2015 No.6574904 File: 1.93 MB, 480x270, 1428395805095.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6574861 >if society collapses

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 03:21:16 2015 No.6574914 >>6574355 The economic point of view is the most important. Look at what monsanto did to lokal farmers.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 03:22:45 2015 No.6574917 >>6574882 People like this >>6574179 who form opinions based on a single source.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 03:24:32 2015 No.6574922 >>6574355 You're not going to hear much from anyone who disagrees. This is one topic where you really, really need to follow the money.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 03:29:16 2015 No.6574926 You don't buy organic because you fear of your own health. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167880908002521 http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-32781136 I also never found some vegetables in 'non-organic'.

Anonymous Sun Jun 7 03:35:45 2015 No.6574933

>>6574922
>This is one topic where you really, really need to follow the money.
Not the guy you're discussing this with, but that implies that money devalues any sort of information connected with the research it accompanies. Granted, it seems a little fishy for obvious reasons, but not every study is devoid of valid conclusions because it seems like "paid advertising".

On the other hand, you can't say "GMOs are ok because there's nothing that proves otherwise." You have to show your work or you get no credit.

Anonymous Sun Jun 7 03:49:53 2015 No.6574957

>>6574933
>but that implies that money devalues any sort of information connected with the research it accompanies
If research is ever biased at all, money could surely encourage it. You don't even have to flat out lie, you just have to not report results that don't match what the corporation that hired you was looking for.

But also there's a second layer of bias in that, assuming all studies are honestly performed, biased journals will only accept those with results that match their expectations.

And a third layer in that news outlets will choose to report those journal articles that match *their* expectations. And that's where public opinion comes from.

Anonymous Sun Jun 7 04:02:39 2015 No.6574971

>>6574957
I'm starting to wonder who this 'public' is and whether it actually exists. Everybody talks about it like they're not a part of it. It does sound rather terrible though, doesn't it. Like a large group of chimps, glued to their sofas watching Fox news, listening to dubstep and eating cheez-its. They live among us oooohh~

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 04:17:58 2015 No.6574987 >>6574971 Only normies don't believe in normies.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 04:31:07 2015 No.6575014 People like you are the reason bees are dying because of pesticides. That's why people like you are disgusting.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 04:33:23 2015 No.6575021 >>6575014 >he cares about bees

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 04:44:24 2015 No.6575040 If you don't eat as much organic food as you can afford you are not living in love of your body. And you are decaying fastly.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 04:46:10 2015 No.6575044 >>6575021 What's your secret? I too hate eating.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 04:47:54 2015 No.6575049 >>6575044 It's just honey. If a significant chunk of your diet is pure honey, you have bigger problems.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 04:50:54 2015 No.6575055 >>6575049 >what is pollination granted it's not all of our food, but a big chunk. enjoy hawking over the cash during the coming shortages. thanks Bayer, you're always lookin out for me.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 20:46:08 2015 No.6577143 >>6574023 >what is Zaxby's >What is Jacks

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 21:56:08 2015 No.6577287 >>6577143 >>6574041 >People listing a bunch of places renowned for their shitty fries like they aren't proving his point

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 21:59:45 2015 No.6577296 >>6575049 Are there people really this stupid? If not why do faggots still like trolling?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 7 22:01:38 2015 No.6577301 >>6577287 >He doesn't like the fries at Jack's with that special seasoning heathen

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 8 03:13:49 2015 No.6577921 >>6574166 Amap masterrace here do as I please

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 8 03:25:34 2015 No.6577937 >>6573937 >2015 >still believes MSG is bad Kek

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 8 04:03:34 2015 No.6578004 File: 18 KB, 264x240, 1433152531411.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6573930 >when I ask 'where are the non-organic As much as I agree with your sentiment, nice b8 m8

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 8 04:05:32 2015 No.6578010 >>6573937 >aspartame >MSG >Flouride >GMO This picture is baiting so hard and I'm still biting. not a one of those things are bad for you in the slightest

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 8 04:06:40 2015 No.6578012 >>6573930 >having to ask for non organic quit shopping at whole foods faggot.

>>	OP Mon Jun 8 04:17:17 2015 No.6578030 >>6578004 Thanks >>6578012 Safeway actually. There getting better, but there for about three months they just loaded up on that fucking fad and I seriously had a hard time finding things that weren't labelled organic.

Anonymous Mon Jun 8 04:39:59 2015 No.6578068

>>6578010
>Sodium fluoride
>Not causing arterial calcification
>Not competitively replacing certain compounds in the pineal gland
>Not altering the function of osteoblasts and osteoclasts, some of the least understood cell types
>Not being a common byproduct of phosphate fertilizer production
>Not being added to water typically in the form of compounds that either have contaminants, or break down in such a chaotic way it's impossible to accurately predict what it'll end up as.
>Thinking fluoride actually contacts teeth and or stays in saliva enough to make any difference
>Thinking fluoride is suited for internal use and justified in any way
>Will probably say "but it's in water naturally, so it must be fine!"
>Not keeping up to date in the relevant literature
>Not knowing theobromine potentiates remineralization better in early studies
>Wanting the government to babysit you with their "public health services"

Yeah, grow up. If you want fluoride, brush your teeth. It has no place in public water supplies.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 8 04:43:08 2015 No.6578073 >>6578068 Queensland please go.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 8 04:45:31 2015 No.6578081 >>6578073 Northeast US. Is Queensland known for rejecting fluoridation, or is a good deal of the population known to oppose it? If so, good for them. The only area in the US I know of that prominently rejects fluoridation is Portland.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 8 04:48:00 2015 No.6578086 File: 39 KB, 323x267, 1432082693595.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6578068 aw babby afraid of watrer

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 8 04:52:41 2015 No.6578090 File: 54 KB, 570x760, il_570xN.680630030_fufr.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >where are the non-organic veggies right here

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 8 04:55:26 2015 No.6578092 >>6578086 >As he takes a sip of 50/50 heavy water and uranium, stirring frequently as the particles settle.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 8 05:34:55 2015 No.6578121 >>6578092 >stirring >particles settle make up your mind jesus

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 8 05:38:25 2015 No.6578124 >>6578121 >Uranium is very dense >It will quickly sink to the bottom >You stir frequently, but not constantly >Granules continue to settle >Repeat

>>	Terrible Person !.fNJV2Jlhw Mon Jun 8 05:42:16 2015 No.6578127 File: 124 KB, 590x333, 1366318073615.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >All these plebs still caring about minor shit they put in their bodies >All these plebs not enjoying life

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 8 05:44:55 2015 No.6578131 >>6578127 I've been ill before, and it's a miserable life not worth living.

Terrible Person !.fNJV2Jlhw Mon Jun 8 05:47:21 2015 No.6578135
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>>6578131
Can't argue if you genuinely hate life, but honestly...candy man. Alcohol. Drugs. Extreme sports. Porn. Animals. Fresh air. Nature.

That delicious sound and feel of the first cut into a fresh piece of construction paper.

It's the little things.

Anonymous Mon Jun 8 05:51:56 2015 No.6578144

>>6578135
Until you can't even enjoy the little things and every second of your life is either spent with a forced split mindedness, or fighting against whatever hell you've found yourself in.

You assume you would always be capable of experiencing these "little things" as enjoyable, or as you presently know them. This is not the case. Health problems can rob you of even the most base things and leave you an anxiety wracked overloaded functionally braindead husk capable of only thinking where it all went so wrong and how to get the fuck out.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 8 05:53:24 2015 No.6578148 >>6578124 >not just sprinkling pepper in your vodka and picking out the floaties

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 8 05:55:11 2015 No.6578150 File: 7 KB, 170x206, 1432196342915.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6578144 Sounds like somebody needs to take a chill pill

>>	Terrible Person !.fNJV2Jlhw Mon Jun 8 05:55:20 2015 No.6578151 >>6578144 Like I said, can't argue if you legitimately hate life. Go to Oregon and start over man. Maybe next time the dice will deal you a better round.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 8 05:59:11 2015 No.6578155 >>6578151 >go to oregon oh god anon do NOT take this advice

Anonymous Mon Jun 8 05:59:40 2015 No.6578157

>>6578151
Hating being alive is not the same as hating life.

I know there's no restarts, that's not what life's about, but my thoughts were so loud I couldn't hear my mouth. Enough, you will not understand. It wasn't diet that did me in, but I recommend establishing good habits before things go wrong. Not after.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 8 06:01:24 2015 No.6578161 >>6578155 I was going to head to the midwest or west anyway. Was thinking Idaho, but I don't really care. All I want to avoid is getting stuck around any frakking bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 8 13:33:04 2015 No.6578751 >>6578161 idahofag here, and i have to know, why would you consider moving here? any part in particular?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 8 13:34:53 2015 No.6578755 >>6578751 Because there's both Hardees and Carl's Jr maybe?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 8 13:36:17 2015 No.6578758 >>6578755 sorry to burst your bubble, but they're the same thing, and we're on the carl's side of the map. also, depending on where you are you won't even have that. i'm over an hour from the nearest one.

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