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Hard cider thread.

What are the best hard ciders on the market? I'm sick of drinking the shit the dollar store sells (Redd's, Johnny Appleseed)

>> No.6568598

>>6568591
have you mixed curry with your cider britfag?

>> No.6568599

out of the stuff that's readily available everywhere, I like Angry Orchard and Woodchuck the most. Redd's is okay, Johnny Appleseed is pure garbage.

>> No.6568603

The doctor can't stay away?

ah, 'cause cirrhosis

>> No.6568607
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Been into smith and forge for a while. It's breddy gud.

>> No.6568614

Woodchuck is my go-to.
Angry Orchard has a weird taste to it that makes me feel sick.
Redd's is ok, but I'd rather get something else when I can.
Crispin/Strongbow/Hornsby's were all unmemorable.
Johnny Appleseed is shit like >>6568599 said.

>> No.6568625

I would rather drink some snotty artisinal shit than anything the macrobrewers are making. All the stuff that's mass produced in America is way too fucking sweet and made from really boring apples.

>> No.6568632

I've tried some artisan ciders, but I think my favorite has got to be Sea Cider's Prohibition. Tastes amazing and 12.5%

>> No.6568634

>>6568591
The elderberry Angry Orchard is pretty tasty.

>> No.6568658

I know this sounds snobbish, and I hate coming off that way especially about booze, but all the basic ciders you'd find at a grocery store are undrinkable shit (Wood Chuck, Angry Orchard, Redds, whatever).

If your cider doesn't come in a bottle that looks like it'd be for wine and doesn't list the types of apples used, it's shit. There are a few gimmicky exceptions like the hopped Wood Chuck.

>> No.6568661

>Redd's
>Cider

Yeah, no.

>> No.6568740

>>6568632
>>6568658

>/ck/ having opinions I agree with

spooky

Has anyone here tried the stuff at Schilling in Seattle? They do some good work.

>> No.6568747

>>6568607

easily the worst shit out there

crispin reserve is solid

>> No.6568769
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I'm not particularly eager to get into cider but I keep seeing this local offering in stores and wondered if it's any good.

>> No.6568777

Redd's isn't even cider, it's like beer with a shitload of apple flavoring or some shit.

I haven't tried very many hard ciders to be honest, but Woodchuck's probably the only decent one I know of. Expensive as fuck around here, sadly.

>> No.6568786

>>6568591
https://youtu.be/WXMtlktjmg0

>> No.6568794
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>>6568786
wow is that George Costanza's mom?

>> No.6568842

>>6568591
Angry Orchard is the best I have had.

>> No.6568855

>>6568591
Drank Woodchuck hard cider when I was a teenager. I think this was after 4 india pale ales of some sort, because I only had two and ended up pretty drunk.

Then I decided to drink a Samuel Adams, Summer Ale. Soon after I vomited repeatedly, wandered around outside, came home and passed out on the bathroom floor.

It was okay. Pleasantly sweet, but a bit too sweet. Haven't drank any since though.

>> No.6568910

Some of my faggot friends actually like Redd's. Shit, once I bought Redd's for some underage fucks at the corner shop. The way big beverage advertising gets into people's heads really pisses me off sometimes.

>> No.6568919

>>6568794
Obviously it is. Have you even ever watched Seinfeld before?

>> No.6568945

>>6568591
Try Sonoma Cider if you are in California. It's amazing and doesn't taste like babby's first drink.

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I like Hornsby myself.

>> No.6569044
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Cider is best when it has multiple apple types in it, and is minimally sweet. The trouble we have in the US is that the apple industry is absolutely not geared towards this type of production, it's all about eating apples, and if they have extra, they throw them out.
http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_28218609/washington-farmers-are-dumping-unprofitable-apples?source=rss

It's sad. Those could have been the less sweet, more fibrous and complex-tasting varieties. We could be making the best cider in the world, but instead we're making partially fermented apple syrup. It's shit.

It's fucking shit.

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>>6568919
she's a relatively obscure actress who's only identifiable by her role on Seinfeld 15+ years ago.

>> No.6569282

Westons Old Rosie is my favorite from the ones I can get in local stores or bars

>> No.6569326
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>>6569282
Old Rosie is great for a draught cider you might actually find at a pub.

Pic. related is glorious though. As is Black Rat (the still, draught, version, not the fizzy shit they sell in cans & bottles).

Then of course you've got all of the cider-in-a-box's, made by an old guy in a barn somewhere, where the actual alcoholic content is dubious because they don't add sulfates and it just continues to ferment.

>> No.6569537

I like the big Strongbow cans

>> No.6569554

Ciderboys First Press is pretty good. Had it when I was on vacation but it's unavailable where I live.

>> No.6569560

>>6568598
>Hard cider
>US brand
>britfag
uhhh

>> No.6569621
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>> No.6569629

>>6569621
>Flavored ciders

As nice has honey & cider sounds, I just can't.

I will say I've had a great cider with nettle, and another great cider with elderflower, but I figure as long as it's made with anything the farmer might have found around the orchards it's okay with me.

>> No.6569651

britfag here, what's the difference between cider and hard cider?

also

>being a prick about which brands of apple juice you will and will not drink

>> No.6569656 [DELETED] 

>>6569651
hard cider is hard. regular cider is not. are you sure you're british, and not just retarded?

>> No.6569657

>>6569651
cider isnt alcoholic here
its just apple cider
sometimes hot
with doughnuts
mmm

>> No.6569661

>>6569651
>what's the difference between cider and hard cider?

In America, "cider" is cloudy pressed apple juice. It is not fermented and therefore, not alcoholic. In order to differentiate the fermented & alcoholic stuff, the term is "hard cider".

In the UK "cider" is always alcoholic and the non-alcoholic stuff is just "apple juice"

>> No.6569665

>>6569656
after googling it, what you call cider we just call cloudy apple juice. your hard cider is just cider
>>6569657
hot cider is the shit

>> No.6569667 [DELETED] 

>>6569661
But how do they differentiate between apple juice and apple cider in Sharialand?

>> No.6569670

>>6569667
apple juice is halal cider

>> No.6569673 [DELETED] 
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>>6569670
So do Britjihadis not have unprocessed apple juice?

>> No.6569676

>>6569667
>how do they differentiate between apple juice and apple cider

That's like saying "how do you differentiate between a duck and a duck". They're the same thing. Even Burgerfats aren't stupid enough to use different words for "Orange juice" and "Orange juice with pulp", so fuck knows why they do it for Apple juice.

>> No.6569685

>>6569665
once i went to a bar and there was a sign advertising stella artois "cidre" and it said Cidre, Not Cider
i thought it said cidre, hot cider so i asked for it and they just thought i was dumb
to be fair i dont even know that hot hard cider would be possible

>> No.6569688

>>6569685
Heating up Stella Cidre couldn't make it any worse to be fair.

>> No.6569690 [DELETED] 

>>6569676
I don't think you've ever had fresh apple cider from an orchard. It's so different from apple juice.

>> No.6569696

>>6569690
>I don't think you've ever had fresh apple cider from an orchard.

I have.

>It's so different from apple juice.

It's juice. From an apple. It may be fresh pressed apple juice, but it is apple juice. You don't suddenly start using a different name for fresh pressed orange juice do you?

>> No.6569702

>>6569673
yeah, we do. It's just called cloudy apple juice.

>> No.6569703

>>6568591
wait, people actually drink this stuff?

>> No.6569704 [DELETED] 

>>6569696
>I have

I don't believe you.

>It's juice

It's cider

>> No.6569705

>>6568591
>Hard cider

What's that, cider distilled like a spirit?

>> No.6569715

>>6569705

fermented cider

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>>6569704
>I don't believe you

>> No.6569724

>>6569715
Why would you ferment something that has been fermented?

>> No.6569726

>>6568591
Yeah it's called cider.

>> No.6569727 [DELETED] 

>>6569721
[citation needed]

>> No.6569730

>>6569715
Cider is, by definition, fermented.
Fresh-pressed, unfiltered apple juice is still juice.

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>>6569727

>> No.6569736 [DELETED] 

>>6569730
and barbecuing is, by definition, low and slow. yet i see dumb britbongs call refer to grilling as barbecuing all the time.

>> No.6569739

>>6569724
>>6569730

In English cider is fermented
In American it is not.

You need to pay attention to what language you speak on 4chan. It is an American website after all.

>> No.6569740

>>6569736
>barbecuing is, by definition, low and slow

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/barbecue

>to cook (food) on a barbecue : to broil or roast (meat, fish, etc.) over hot coals or an open fire

No mention of "low and slow" there, and it's an Americlap dictionary, too.

>> No.6569745

>>6569736
Grilling on a barbecue is still barbecuing.

>> No.6569750

>>6569685
it's hardly an example of gourmet shit, but in the winter rekorderlig do a winter cider infused with cinnamon that's served hot. it's pretty good

>> No.6569755 [DELETED] 

>>6569745
there is no such thing as "a barbecue"

there are grills, on which you grill things. and there are smokers, which can be in various configurations, but still never called a barbecue.


I don't lecture British people on how to make halal food, so don't lecture me on how to make American food.

>> No.6569760

>>6569755

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/barbecue

>barbecue
>noun
>: a flat metal frame that is used to cook food over hot coals or an open fire

You're really going balls deep on this aren't you?

>> No.6569761

>>6569755
I'm American, though.
If I walk in to the hardware store right now, there will be a line of barbecues for sale right up front, and a couple grills near the end.

>> No.6569762 [DELETED] 

>>6569761
10/10 bait

I have to give you credit, you're damn good at shitposting.

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>>6569740
>>6569760

>> No.6569769
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>> No.6569770

>>6568607
GROSS

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6569774

its berty gud

>> No.6569775

>>6569762
I'm not baiting.
Every hardware store in the city will have barbecues in them.

>> No.6569781 [DELETED] 

>>6569775
Those are charcoal grills.

>> No.6569782

>>6569781
See >>6569760

>> No.6569788

>>6569781
The charcoal grills are located beside the barbecues, and some barbecues have charcoal grills integrated into them.

>> No.6569789

>>6569736
Cooking food on a BBQ is food cooked on a BBQ. Cooking food under a grill is grilled food.

Fuck you and all of the other inbred yokels that are such super special snowflakes.

>> No.6569792 [DELETED] 

>>6569782
>webster
kek

>> No.6569794

>>6569755
Boy you murifats sure do love shitposting, I think it's your high blood pressure.

>> No.6569795

>>6569789
>under a grill

That'd be broiling.
Grilling is over a grill.

>> No.6569796 [DELETED] 

>>6569789
>grill
>under

Do you mean a broiler?

>> No.6569800

>>6569792
It's an Amerifat dictionary. He created your child-like version of English. It's a canonical definition.

>> No.6569803

>>6569795
I don't know what sort of fucked up universe cooking food under a grill means boiling in, but it certainly isn't this one.

>> No.6569806

>>6569803
Broiling, not boiling.
Do note the R.

>> No.6569808

>>6569796
Nah chuck, you know, a grill, the thing you cook food under.

>> No.6569810

>>6569795
>>6569796
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/grill

>grill
>verb
>: to cook (food) directly over or under high heat

God damn, you Americlaps literally don't even know your own language do you?

>> No.6569812 [DELETED] 

>>6569810
>your own language

last time I checked, it was called English, not American

>> No.6569815

>>6569792
when when they decide to make the fat loser dictionary the new standard i'm sure they'll give you a call

but for now we've got this and the oxford one

>> No.6569816

>>6569806
Considering broiling isn't a real word, you clearly meant boiling, which is retarded.

>> No.6569818

>>6569812
Burgerclaps have their own special neutered form, I like to make the distinction.

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>>6569815
>>6569816

>> No.6569827

Well, that's another thread ruined by American shitposting.

>> No.6569829

>>6569816
Broiling is a real word, you utter dingus.
It's been in the language for five hundred years.

>> No.6569831 [DELETED] 

>>6569827
>American shitposting
>implying this wasn't all started by buttmad Britjihadis calling apple cider "juice"

>> No.6569836

>>6569831
Yes, keep being a good special snowflake with your newspeak terms.

>> No.6569839

>>6569831
Why would Bongs call cider juice?
They're well aware that cider and juice are two different things.

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>>6569836

>> No.6569849

>>6569831
> R. A. Fletcher notes that in the Liber Sancti Jacobi, cider was said to be more common than wine in 12th-century Galicia and certainly the idea of it was present in England the Conquest of 1066, using crab apples: the word "Wassail" is derived from a Saxon phrase, wæs hæl": it is what would have been said by Saxons as a toast at Yuletide.

>The word "cider", referring to fermented apple juice, is 4 times older than your country

>> No.6569852 [DELETED] 

>>6569849
But that's hard cider, not apple cider.

>> No.6569853

>>6569841
I know expecting any better from Americans is a lost cause, I blame myself.

>> No.6569854

>>6569774

perry is not a cider

it's a perry

>> No.6569856

>>6569852
>Before the development of rapid long distance transportation, regions of cider consumption generally coincided with regions of cider production: that is, areas with apple orchards and the knowledge of how to turn very bitter apples into alcohol.
>apples into alcohol
>alcohol

>The word "cider", referring to fermented apple juice, is 4 times older than your country

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>mfw apples aren't even native to North America

>> No.6569862

>>6569854
Pear cider is pear cider.
Perry is perry.

Perry should be made from specific varieties of pear (Perry pears, oddly enough). Most commercial "Pear cider" is made from common commercial varieties, so isn't Perry.

>> No.6569867

>>6569852
Cider is "hard" and made from apples.
If it isn't alcoholic, it isn't cider.
If it isn't made from apples, it isn't cider.
"Hard cider" and "apple cider" are both redundant.

>> No.6569868 [DELETED] 

>>6569856
but that's hard cider, not apple cider

>>6569853
what's wrong with that image? i think it sums up my entire argument; it's all right there, you just gotta read between the lines

>> No.6569879

>>6569868
>The word "hard" not appearing in either of those quotes
>Pretends he can see the word "hard" or the phrase "hard cider"

>The word "cider", referring to fermented apple juice, is 4 times older than your country
>4 times older. Than your entire country.

That must really burn you up, as you keep trying to pretend it's not true.

>> No.6569893 [DELETED] 

>>6569879
But apple cider is not cider.

>> No.6569899

>>6569893
putting the word apple in front of cider for no reason doesn't make it not cider.

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>>6569893
>apple cider is not cider

>Before the development of rapid long distance transportation, regions of cider consumption generally coincided with regions of cider production: that is, areas with apple orchards and the knowledge of how to turn very bitter apples into alcohol.
>apples into alcohol

>> No.6569903 [DELETED] 

>>6569901
but apple cider is unprocessed, unpasteurized apple juice. when referring to the alcoholic beverage, it's just cider.

>> No.6569907

>>6569903
Unprocessed, unpasteurized juice is still juice.
Cider is fermented apple juice.

Putting "apple" in front of "cider" implies you can make cider from other fruits, which is incorrect.

>> No.6569910 [DELETED] 

>>6569907
what about pear cider?

>> No.6569914

>>6569910
That'd be perry, not cider.

>> No.6569915

>>6569903
>apple cider
>cider
>not cider

>Apple cider (also called sweet cider or soft cider) is the name used in the United States and parts of Canada for an unfiltered, unsweetened, non-alcoholic beverage made from apples, usually from specialized cider apples.

>used in the United States and parts of Canada

As we've proven, Amerifats don't know what "cider" means (even though the word is 4 times older than their entire country), so who cares? It's apple juice.

>> No.6569916 [DELETED] 

>>6569914
Pear cider is pear cider.
Perry is perry.
Perry should be made from specific varieties of pear (Perry pears, oddly enough). Most commercial "Pear cider" is made from common commercial varieties, so isn't Perry.

>> No.6569919

>>6569916

Pear cider is a new word invented for the people that do not know what a perry is.

Perry means beverages made from pears through fermenting, regardless of variety.

>> No.6569922 [DELETED] 

>>6569919
who cares nerds? lol fag

>> No.6569929

>>6569916
Fermented pear juice can't be cider, since it isn't apple juice.
Singling out specific varieties of pear for perry is a bullshit commercial thing.

>> No.6569941

>>6569929
>>6569919
>>6569916
>>6569915

wow you guys are fags

>> No.6569968

>>6569705
Distilled cider is applejack.

>> No.6569971

>>6569968

in america that is known as hard applejack

>> No.6569982

>>6569971

Nobody in the world cares. I've never heard it called that, everyone here knows what you mean by applejack.

>> No.6569988

>>6569982
I think that was probably a joke.

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>>6569854

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>>6568591

I'm partial to the Amber.
Good stuff.

>> No.6570173

>>6568591
I like Crispin a lot.

Woodchuck is also good and has a nice range of experimental and seasonal ciders. The oak aged winter cider was phenomenal.

>> No.6570219

>>6569914
Perry producers are glad for the term"pear cider", gives them easy product differentiation from shit-tier beetus juice.

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>>6569621
kinda meh

>>6570162
a bit better than other basic ciders

Pic related is the best cider, traditional apple.

>> No.6570250

>>6569988

Fuck.

>> No.6570259

What's the difference between a "fruit" beer and a cider? For example something like this. http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/22/3523/

>> No.6570268

>>6570259
Cider is fermented apple juice, fruit beers have a beer base with fruit juice or berries added.

>> No.6570593

I've never had it from a big distributor, but a couple of times I've had cherry hard cider and it's fucking god tier.

>>6570162
my go to in college

>> No.6570596

>>6568591
STRONGBOW. and Stella Artois Cider

>> No.6570604

>>6569044
start a company

>> No.6570614

>>6569133
She voice acts a lot

>> No.6570615

>>6570604
Not him, but the problem is that the US isn't growing the sort of varieties you need to make a good dry cider. It takes decades of hard work to create a fruiting orchard of any reasonable size, so it's not like he can just start making cider tomorrow.

>> No.6570622

>>6569621
These things sprang up overnight in my area, along with some brand that has the jolly Roger symbol on it. It was weird because they were in damn near every liquor store I walked in after a week

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I bought me some of this. Not cure how I feel about it yet, I'll think it'll take me 5 more before I can make an opinion. :v

It's better than that hop-infused cider bullshit though.

>> No.6571271

>>6570596
You have shit taste my friend

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>>6568658
>I know this sounds snobbish, and I hate coming off that way especially about booze, but all the basic ciders you'd find at a grocery store are undrinkable shit (Wood Chuck, Angry Orchard, Redds, whatever).

100% agreed, anon. That said, I used to think that Angry Orchard was top tier until I started searching out higher quality ciders and ruined my blissful ignorance. Pic related is by far my favorite but is annoyingly difficult to find.

At least the increasing popularity of shitty grocery store ciders should pave the way for easier access to quality ciders. My local supermarket just started stocking single bottles from a regional brewer so hopefully they'll add some more in the future. Fuck knows they don't really need hundreds of brands of shit $10 a bottle wine.

>> No.6571597

>>6571546
good stuff
>>6568591
angry orchard is great!

>> No.6571653

Laird's Applejack.

>> No.6571722

Why don't you start arguing about why Europeans call a Moose an Elk? If youre Canadian and you need something to be upset about, look no further than gee... any of your hockey teams.

The american colloquialisms:
-Apple juice (pasteurized, homogenized)
-apple cider (unpasteurized, unfermented, unhomogenized)
-hard cider (fermented)
-applejack (fermented, distilled i.e. it is a spirit)

Ace has apple, perry, honey apple, dry apple, pumpkin, berry and pineapple ciders. The pineapple is my favorite. The perry tastes like a green jolly rancher, probably too sweet for most people. Ace is from callifornia.

I tried a drier apple cider that hasnt been mentioned yet last feek at a craft beer/wine bar. its been my favorite so far, so ill have to get the name.

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so 'hard' cider simply refers to alcoholic beverage as opposed to non-alcoholic, 'normal' cider?
its 32 degrees celsius outiside and im having some right now, pretty delicious and refreshing. cheers!

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>>6571546
>At least the increasing popularity of shitty grocery store ciders should pave the way for easier access to quality ciders.

That's certainly what's happened here in the UK. It used to be the only cider you could get at a store was terrible max produced fizzy yellow cheap stuff, and you had to go a specialist or direct to the farm to get anything else.

These days I can pick up some decent bottled ciders like pic. related from ASDA (actual Walmart) even.

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>>6572523
Got a 6 pack of that from Morrisons last night and a bottle of pic related. We're getting there son

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>>6571653
bretty sure laird's is like 80% corn, breh
>>6570596
glad to see yuropoors have the same shit taste as uhmmerrilards

stay classy, /ck/

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This one is pretty awesome from what I remembered.

Woodchuck is also pretty great.
Bulmers is normally the one I drink here in Norway, since its the only proper cider we got available at the local pub.