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6327034 No.6327034 [Reply] [Original]

Meatfags, i propose a question for you.

Would you still eat meat if you had to kill the animals you eat?

Food for thought.

>> No.6327037

yeah but less.

>> No.6327045

>>6327034
Countryfag here. I've lopped the head off many a chicken.

>> No.6327048

Fuck off dumb frogposter

>>>/r9k/

>> No.6327049

>>6327034
sure would and sure do.
I slaughtered a pig once, that was fucking nasty though. I'd rather not do it again.

>> No.6327050

>>6327034
Yes. In fact thats the only truly ethical stance on the issue.

>> No.6327052

I would definitely be willing to give it a try.

>> No.6327054

>>6327050

>In fact thats the only truly ethical stance on the issue.

lol why

>> No.6327057

>>6327034
Yes.

But I would probably never eat pork (I imagine pigs are sort of hard to kill) and killing and cutting up a cow seems incredibly difficult so I probably wouldn't do much of that unless I really wanted some. Not worth the effort when smaller animals are easier.

>> No.6327059

I do it all the time. i'll kill and eat you too.

>> No.6327061

Absolutely. I try and limit my meat consumption right now because I buy cheap meat from terrible farms at the grocery store.

I hope to be in a position where I can raise my own animals and treat them well before I slaughter them myself some day.

It's not the slaughter that bothers me, I just want them to have a comfortable life before they get a bolt in the brain

>> No.6327066

>>6327057
>(I imagine pigs are sort of hard to kill)
Nah, piece of cake. Butchering them is kind of a lot of work, but not excessively so.

>> No.6327074

sure, might be fun. I've wrung chicken necks before but I was way younger.

>> No.6327078
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6327078

Veganfags, i promose a question for you.

Would you still eat vegetables if you had to indiivdually gather the seeds from wild crops and breed them to be edible over a period of decades, instead of just killing a wild boar and eating that?

Food for thought.

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6327079

I found out last year that yes I could, and I did in fact. and so in fact would you vegfag, when it comes to the life of a fish or chicken and your life the choice is easy. last year I lost my job and became a migrant worker, I was camping alog the upper truckee in CA and fishing everyday at first I felt bad, lopping off the fish heads and gutting them like that but when I hadn't eaten for three days and I caught a large trout, at an aptly named 'trout creek' it was the easiest thing the world to end its life to sustain mine.

>> No.6327090

Absolutely. Why would you eat meat if you wouldn't be able to kill the animal yourself? It'd be hypocritical.

>> No.6327096

>>6327090

how exactly would it be hypocritical?

>> No.6327101

>>6327079
>last year I lost my job and became a migrant worker
jesus that sucks, how much did you make doing that?

I assume I'll become homeless if I lose my job. I sometimes work on cardboard box+duct tape house schematics in my head. But a tent is an even better idea

>> No.6327104

>>6327079
(cont)...

After that we found a camp to stay in, but they treated us poorly and overcharged for goods in the camp store. Around this time I encountered my old friend from back home, who was working as a labor organizer, and some thugs attacked and beat him to death. While I was trying to defend him, I accidentally killed one of these well-connected thugs and we had to beat it in the middle of the night. After that I vowed to commit the rest of my life to working to improve the lot of unfortunate people.

>> No.6327107

nope

>> No.6327110

How would you be able to use your mobile phone if you wouldnt be able to exploit slopes?

Food for thought.

>> No.6327113

>>6327096
It would be hypocritical in that a person wouldn't kill something, but they'd certainly reap the reward if someone else did it for them. Maybe hypocritical wasn't the right word, maybe more dishonorable.

>> No.6327117

Yes. Next question.

>> No.6327121

>>6327096
BECAUSE YOU ARE TOO WEAK TO WASH IN THE BLOOD OF YOUR PREY AND REVEL IN THE MADNESS OF SLAUGHTER. TO RAISE YOUR HEAD, TRIUMPHANT, OVER THE MOUNTAINS OF CORPSES STREWN ACROSS YOUR DOMAIN, AND DECLARE YOUR DOMINANT TYRANNY OVER THE LESSER FORMS OF LIFE. ARE YOU NOT MAN ENOUGH TO HEW AND CARVE THE CARCASS OF YOUR VICTIM, AND GORGE ON THEIR SPILLING ENTRAILS?!

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6327124

>>6327096
If you walk the walk, you should be able to talk the talk.....

>> No.6327126

>>6327034
I eat meat once a week or so. If I had to slaughter and butcher my own animals for meat I'd probably eat much more of it when I killed an animal, preserving what I could and using every part like farmers did back in the day. This would make sense at traditional slaughtering times (late fall, early spring) when heading into and out of a winter where fresh food is otherwise hard to get.

Then I'd probably spend the growing season entirely vegetarian, since there are plenty of other things to eat then, and slaughtering and butchering an animal is a pain in the ass.

>> No.6327134

I'm not averse to killing an animal but I'd rather let other people do it because it keeps all the mexican immigrants/actual working blacks who work in the meat industry in a job and off welfare. if everybody did all their own meat, the whole industry would vanish and a whole lot of people would be back on the streets stealing shit.

>> No.6327138

Yeah, easy. Kill it, gut it, skin it, whatever. Only aspect I'd consider is effort:time ratio. Is it really worth it? But other than that, yeah, why not, it's just animals.

>> No.6327139

I prefer to.

>> No.6327142

I do that regularly with lobster and often with fish in season. Everything beyond that is just too fiddly to butcher from live.

>> No.6327147

Probably not. If I was forced to kill and butcher all of my own meat but I could just walk to the store and buy a candy bar, then I would effectively be a vegetarian and fat. Butchering meat is a lot of work.

>> No.6327165

>>6327034
i'd actually prefer it that way. sadly it's impossible here because of the fucking law.
if i were allowed to i could get all the parts of an animal, not just the handful of cuts you can get at the store which would be nice actually.

>> No.6327171

no because it takes ages and is kind of difficult

>> No.6327173

>>6327034
Have you never been hunting/fishing?

>> No.6327174

>>6327034
>Would you still eat meat if you had to kill the animals you eat?

Yes. I hunt and fish, I have no problem with this.

>> No.6327185

I've done that plenty of times before.
My only issue with it is that it's more work.
I'd probably eat a lot less chicken if I had to pluck them myself.

>> No.6327196

No, because I don't have the stomach for it. Neither do I have the stomach to work any of the jobs related to putting any of the other foods I consume on the shelf. Not to mention I could never be a dentist, mechanic, plumber, whatever.

I benefit from the work of many people every day, and so do you. Meat is the source of moral argument but you shouldn't let your own moral stance fuzz up your logic.

>> No.6327197

Yep. Killing chickens and cows would be no big issue for me.

>> No.6327203

How many vegetables are grown with animal-sourced fertiliser?

ie manure, bonemeal etc

Is it just organic stuff?

>> No.6327209

Killing chickens is actually pretty fun. They actually do run around after you cut their heads off.

>> No.6327210

>>6327034
I think it might be hard killing the animal thr first few times but then I'd probably get used to it.

>> No.6327218

>>6327034
It would be a bit of a chore, but certainly.
I don't see how this is food for thought.

>> No.6327242

>>6327126
>I eat meat once a week or so
I ain't a vegfag, but good on you. I don't know where you live, but at least in the US, we eat too much fucking meat, generally the main part of 2 of the 3 meals. I don't give two shits aout the treatment of farm animals, but that much is simply bad for you.

Meatheads can sometimes be worse than faggy vegans in that way, thinking every fucking thing needs beef.

>> No.6327247

>>6327034
Yeah, but not as much because I couldn't be fucked to go to the effort of slaughtering an animal and preparing it for food every time I felt like meat

>> No.6327252

>>6327242
>people who don't eat foods in the same proportions that I do really piss me off

>> No.6327254

>>6327252

Your reading comprehension is pretty poor anon.

>> No.6327259

>>6327242
>I don't give two shits aout the treatment of farm animals
why not? you don't mind animals suffering?

i eat them but i still wish they were treated better

>> No.6327262

>>6327254
Oh, sorry, you sounded pissed with all the cursing and whatnot.

>> No.6327272

>>6327034
Yeah,

Killing for food isn't kind, but it's necessary and natural.

>> No.6327281

>>6327034
Yes, probably not as often though. Mainly because it'd be a huge pain in the ass, but also because yes, I would feel sad every time I killed an animal. (Most of you would too, don't lie.) But that sadness wouldn't be nearly enough to make me stop eating them. They taste too good.

>> No.6327282

>>6327272
>but it's necessary
no it's not

>> No.6327287

>>6327096
it really is quite obvious don't you think?

>> No.6327295

>>6327259
If anything, it bothers me more that we kill the animal. Not so much the poor conditions. I don't really know why. But if I were to go vegetarian, it would be for that, not the abuse.

>>6327252
If you live in the US, you would understand that we simply eat too much meat on average. Even if you discount fast food, almost all of our meals feature meat as the main dish (excluding breakfast, which too many don't eat).

A balanced diet is essential, and I think that omitting meat without being careful is unhealthy. But it seems that many americans take that as a carte blanche to gorge on meat. There's only so much you can put on a plate, and vegetables are often the ones neglected.

>> No.6327296

>>6327287

no i think it's based on a misconception of what hypocrisy is. there's no inherent double standard in wanting to EAT meat while not wanting to KILL it.

>> No.6327297

Man I would kill chickens all fucking day. I hate just looking at those fuckers. When I see a chicken on the side of a road, I pull over and yell "HEY CHICKEN, FUCK YOU!". I've almost been rear-ended doing so, but it was worth it. God Damn I hate chickens.

But I wouldn't kill a cow, cows are adorable.

>> No.6327308

>>6327295
>If anything, it bothers me more that we kill the animal. Not so much the poor conditions. I don't really know why. But if I were to go vegetarian, it would be for that, not the abuse.

That is insane to me. I'm the exact opposite. Everything is going to die, the only thing you can do is make them comfortable when they are alive. a quick death is actually the kindest thing that happens to some of these animals

>> No.6327315

>>6327295
>too much meat on average
Too much for what? That's just your opinion.

>> No.6327322

>everyone here saying yes
>implying you're not too fucking lazy

Judging from the quality of this board, no one here even grows their own vegetables, much less would butcher their own meat.

>> No.6327323

>>6327315
too much for a healthy colon, to much for the environment to support long term, too much for your heart health and cholesterol levels

>> No.6327328

Probably not.

I have killed fish though and they seem like swimming vegetables so I'd probably go pescetarian.

>> No.6327329

>>6327322
Shut your mouth, cityfag or I'll thump you again.

>> No.6327332

>>6327322

raising/butchering them was not part of the question.

>> No.6327334

>>6327323
And the opinion part?

>> No.6327337

>>6327329

Even if you lived out in the country, you do nothing but shitpost on a chinese cartoon imageboard, you fat fuck

>> No.6327338

>>6327322
>no one here even grows their own vegetables
I think at least 5 of us grow vegetables, based on the growfag threads I've participated in.

>> No.6327340

>>6327332
That's right. Just bring them in and put them up against the wall with a blindfold and a cigarette, and I'll do the rest.

>> No.6327343

>>6327315
What >>6327323
said. Jesus, how hard is this to understand? In excess, red meat is bad for you. And unfortunately, we generally eat too much. And this isn't unique to America.

Sure, you and I might have a properly balanced diet. But you cannot ignore the fact that too many don't. The amerifat meme isn't just due to fast food.

>>6327308
It's more for what we get out of it. Of course a single cow gives an awesome amount of food. But on an individual, personal level, what am I getting out of that cow? A single meal, and I'll have to eat again in ~6 hours.

>> No.6327347

>>6327343
>In excess, red meat is bad for you.
lol so is shitposting

>> No.6327351

>>6327343
That's all bullshit though. It's just your opinion. Actually, it's probably not your opinion at all, it's somebody else's opinion which you heard on some trendy documentary, and now you repeat it but with the phrase "the fact" added to it.

>> No.6327353

>>6327347
You live in Wyoming, don't you, you fat fuck? You buttblasted that your diet of beef and cheese is gonna lead to CAD by the time you're 27?

>> No.6327355

>>6327034
Yeah, I would. I wouldn't eat meat as often, just because it would be more inconvenient.

>> No.6327360

>>6327353
loling intensifies
Sorry if I don't buy into your nutrition religion, m8

>> No.6327362

I'd eat a lot less meat simply because of the time constraints involved. The reason I buy meat when doing the rest of my groceries is simply because I'm not a professional butcher, don't have the equipment to slaughter and turn the animal into bite sized chunks on top of having the time to do all that stuff.

The same goes for the rest of my groceries.

Time constraint, money, lack of skill, lack of equipment and lack of room would prevent me to do any of these.

But I know your question is feelings based, and not logistics. Would I feel bad killing a cow, chicken or pig? Yeah sure. Would it be gross? most likely, yes. At least at first, but I'd probably get used to it.

Would I eat less meat than I do now? Probably not. I do eat a lot of tuna but otherwise I only eat meat twice a week, and if I do have it in more dishes then it's often at a 5:1 vegetable/meat ratio.

>> No.6327366

>>6327353
0/10 troll.

But anybody here from Wyoming? Is beef really super cheap there like everybody says?

>> No.6327369

>>6327034
>Would you still eat meat if you had to kill the animals you eat?
Yes you dumb fuck, I regularly kill and butcher animals for my food.

>> No.6327376

>>6327113
>you dont design or operate reactors or power plants, but you reap the benefit of the electricity they generate
dishonorable scumbag

>> No.6327377

Yes but most likely some smaller animals, like chickens, rabbits etc. Slaughtering a whole pig or a cow must be quite a chore.

>> No.6327393

>>6327296
>there's no inherent double standard in wanting to EAT meat while not wanting to KILL it.
Absolutely. A farmer with enough means would hire a laborer to do the slaughtering so he didn't have to. There were guys who specialized in slaughtering, and generally people looked at them with a bit of trepidation. That really hasn't changed.

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6327404

>>6327297
/ck/ you are adorable sometimes.

>> No.6327413

>>6327034
yes.

ofc i would.

why wouldn't i.

>> No.6327426

Probably not, but the same goes for vegetables if I had to grow them myself, so I don't see how it matters.

>> No.6327463

>>6327034
I'd make a machine where the user would have to push a button to kill it.

They still kill it with a tool(machine).

Make shitloads of $

>> No.6327475

>>6327034
i am the terminator of chickens, the bane of moose and deer.
no rabbit or bird can escape my fists.


in short, i hunt for fun. i'd be fine with killing my own food, including but not limited to, reindeer, pigs, cows, chickens..
also, if fish counts..
>LOL

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6327479

>>6327404
>cows
>adorable

>> No.6327539

>>6327034
Do it all the time.

>> No.6328796

i have always wanted to slaughter and butcher an animal and then eat its delicious protein gifts over the course of the following days.

>> No.6328799

>>6327034
I hunt. I do kill the animals I eat. I also butcher and skin them. It does not phase me in the slightest because it's THE FUCKING NATURAL ORDER OF THINGS

>> No.6328800

Veggie fag would you eat vegetables if you had to grown and harvest them all yourself?

>> No.6328822

>>6327034
my ancestors did it, why can't I

having a pig roast for saint pattys tomorrow btw

pretty excited

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>>6328799
>>6328800
>>6328822

>> No.6328833

i think i'd enjoy killing, gutting, and butchering a deer.

i watch the field dressing videos on youtube with much fascination.

i really need to obtain a rifle and learn to hunt. i live in mofuggin' utah. this is apparently a good hunting state.

>> No.6328857

>>6327034
Yes, I would.

>> No.6328861

>>6328833
all these dubs

>> No.6328865

Maybe, though less because already too lazy most of the time.

>> No.6328869

>>6328800
Imagine plant soy, harvest soy, cook and squeeze soy, separate the liquid that comes out of it, coagulate it, cure it and them use it as one of the many ingredients to make a tofurkey.

>> No.6328874

>>6327034

Yeah, but it would need to go down like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=826HMLoiE_o

>> No.6328878

Damn right.

>> No.6328883

Vegan Nacho Salad:

>grill kale on a hot as can be grill, grill pan, whatever, both sides for only a few seconds (get a tiny bit of charr, but not too much) you can use oil, but if you overdo it you will ruin the kale (it gets slimy) and oil is not really necessary
>corn chips on a plate
>grill some onions on the hot grill pan, hot pan, get a little tiny black on them
>you can use some soyrizo, tempe, tofu, beans whatever you want for protein or none if you just want greens
>slice some tomatoes and throw that on there too
>squeeze lime all over everything
>a bit of salt
>nutritional yeast or daiya cheese replacement, but you really don't have to put a cheese flavor on it, it's still good without it.

>> No.6329587

>>6327034
I'd kill them as long as I don't have to butcher them.

>> No.6329610

>>6327034
ofcourse, i don't see a problem with that.
why would that even matter?
here's some more food for thought, would you still eat vegetables if you had to kill them yourself?

>> No.6329622

>>6327034
Anyone who is unprepared to do this should not have the privilege of consuming meat.

>> No.6329637

>>6327034
If I would be some animal farmer, yes. Otherwise no, it's way too much effort and I neither have the necessary time, butchering skills nor storage facilities.

And no I don't secretly think killing animals for food is wrong, this patronising view of vegtards is insulting and the reason why nobody likes you guys.

>> No.6329649

>>6327034
I go and get a moose every couple of years with my uncle, who makes a living taking rich white people into backwoods PacNW to shoot bears.

>> No.6329651
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6329651

I kill all the animals I eat because I want to be like my hero Sabertooth

>> No.6329653

>>6327034
Sure, buy me a gun

>> No.6329669

>>6329651
11/10, would bang.

>> No.6329778

>>6327034
I'd go as far as not being allowed to keep livestock, so all animal protein has to be hunted.

>> No.6329785

>>6327034
Yeah.

>> No.6329890

Nope

>> No.6329912

Killing people is against the law.

>> No.6329989

hey vegan fags.
would you still maintain your holistic, high ideal approach to eating if you had to farm and sustain yourself like a third world farmer ?

or would you opt to own a few animals if it made life easier.

>> No.6330000

>>6327034
I'd love it even more, I'd always wanted to Hunt.

>> No.6330037

>>6330000
I'll take you hunting, quadro. i'm in the UP of MI

>> No.6330127

>>6327034
I think I could kill a chicken no problem. I'm not sure about pigs or cows. Maybe it depends on the size of the animal. I don't know.

It's weird that killing is an issue for most of us. It's in our fucking genes. We used to be fucking hunters.

God, I'm such a sissy

>> No.6330428

>>6327034
I killed everything I've eaten at least once, save for seafood and giraffe.

I just killed those for fun.

>> No.6330441

>>6330428
Where do you live that you're in a position to kill giraffe for fun?

>> No.6330449

>>6330441
15 minutes from a zoo

>> No.6330452

>>6327034
I have hunted, dressed, and cooked my own meat before.

Would I still eat meat if I had to butcher it?
Yes, but not as much as I do now.

I just know how much of a time consuming pain in the ass it is.

>> No.6330454

>>6330428
How do you fight a giraffe?

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>>6330454
Punch it in its intelligently designed laryngeal nerve.

>> No.6330555

>>6327034
Wrung the neck of one of mother's chickens last weekend and she prepared a gorgeous coq au vin.

So yes.

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>>6327322
I grow a little food every year, but if I'm being honest, if I had animals and spent time with them every day, I couldn't put them down. A friend of mine kept chickens for eggs -- I could do that. They can be very friendly, just like any pet. Only they give you omelets.

>> No.6330586

>>6327034
Yeah but I'd probably eat more rabbit since actually butchering a full blown cow seems like a hassle.

I've mostly only shot animals for pest control, with the exception of a couple kangaroos for meat, so it'd be a bit of a transition but I'm open to learning new skills.

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6330617

yes. I have done so several times.

>> No.6330623

>>6330617
Ew, why would you eat a dog?

>> No.6330630

>>6330623
>never seen an elk cow before.

>> No.6330632

>>6330623
>>6330630
More like
>never seen a dog before

>> No.6330635

Fuck yeah. I shot the deer I made for lunch today.

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6330661

I already do that.

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>>6327034
I've gone hunting several times so yes. Food tastes better when you've done the killing. Also it's at it's freshest. Obviously most of us carnivores don't live in a place where we can do it for every meal we eat because it's fucking 2015 and most of us spend 8+ hours a day working which leaves most of our spare time taking care of family or other things and not much time to hunt and there's 20 grocery stores within a 10 mile radius of most people so why don't you stick your food for thought right up your ass?

>> No.6330733

>>6330689
Thinking about it if people who eat meat had to kill every animal they eat they would end up with fresher and better meat but probably more sporadically.

If every vegetarian had to grow the vegetables they eat. Most would starve to death.

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>>6327034

Sure, hand me a battleaxe and i'll go slaughter a pig farm.

>> No.6330825

>>6327034
I've thought about this a lot and if I had to teach myself how to do it I say absolutely not.

But if an experienced farmer showed me efficient ways of getting it done then yes I would but not as much.

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6330833

>>6327034
Well, I hunt, so yeah.

Wild game is way better than factory farmed shit.

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>>6330733
Too true anon. Too True.

>> No.6330911

>>6327037
yes but more. You know how much fucking meat will be in my freezer after I kill a moose?

>> No.6330915

>>6327034
yeppers, if you're thinking it would be the other way around just look at how many farm kids are vegetarians who abhor hunting

>> No.6331097

>>6327322
Hey shut up I grew my own basil once

>> No.6331098

>>6330897
At least us vegetarians aren't killing cute baby pigs for bacon!

>> No.6331099

I have at my mom's farm before - yearling lamb and chicken/turkey. I just usually don't because of space constraints.
Better than getting it from a factory, so I don't mind.
Plus her sheep are spoiled as hell. She babies them until it comes time to slaughter (and even then).

>> No.6331105

>>6331097
>tfw I grow my own tomatoes every year

Holy shit I love tomatoes

>> No.6331110

>>6327463
We call that a cattle rod
Or a gun

>> No.6331111

>>6331105
You should try indigo rose tomatoes, anon, they're delicious.

>> No.6331113

>>6331105
fuck year tomatos, slice dem bitches up and sprinkle with a little salt n pepper

>> No.6331116

>>6328833
It's easy anon
Walk into gun store
Ask for rifle
Complete background check
Hand over moneys
Purchase ammunition
Go home with rifle

Simple, takes like 20 minutes at most

>> No.6331122

>>6328833
when a living thing is in your crosshairs, and you pull the trigger and see it lying there dead, its a whole lot more real than you ever thought it would be.

Unless you are a psychopath of course.

>> No.6331123

>>6327034
>Would you still eat meat if you had to kill the animals you eat?

I've killed and butchered animals in the past, so yes. It would probably change my meat eating habits some though. I'd be more likely to eat things like beef, lamb, and pork than chicken or fish, since the amount of work required vs. the amount of meat you get is less with larger animals.

>> No.6331128

>>6328833
>utah
>cursing

Get out you heathen
Let me guess, you watch pornography and R rated movies too?

>> No.6331129

I killed chickens before and worked at a slaughterhouse where I saw a bunch of other die.

I wouldn't have too much problems with killing a cow every now and then

>> No.6331139

>>6331122
Or you realize its food and aren't a little pussy about it. It's not that big of a deal.

>> No.6331147

>>6331123
This.

>> No.6331159

>>6327034
Honestly, no.
But I'm a little bitch.
And by little bitch of course I mean I am a small and weak female.

>> No.6331190
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6331190

i work on a farm and have slaughtered many chickens plus last month a cow so yeah but imo it gives me much more respect for the animals and the meat i consume