https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1Mqr6F_qoo is this seriously a thing in asia? what the fuck is wrong with those subhuman retards? would you ever eat such a thing?

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Anonymous Wed Mar 4 06:22:27 2015 No.6289380 [Reply] [Original]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1Mqr6F_qoo

is this seriously a thing in asia?
what the fuck is wrong with those subhuman retards?

would you ever eat such a thing?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 4 06:25:36 2015 No.6289382 >>6289380 One day the octopus overlords will evolve past humans, rise out of the sea, and enslave and consume the entire human race, starting with the japs

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 4 06:28:50 2015 No.6289385 >>6289380 Fuck you freshly killed squid with some korean spicy sauce is delicious. Thats like saying cutting a cows throat is fucked up so lets stop eating them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 4 06:32:45 2015 No.6289391 >>6289385 Cooking a cow alive whilst making noises of pleasure would be very fucked up.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 4 06:39:47 2015 No.6289394 >>6289385 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebrUj8AaNcg >defending this shit It's just stupid and pointless cruelty, don't get me wrong i like to eat dead things but this is something Jeffrey Dahmer would have done.

Anonymous Wed Mar 4 06:43:56 2015 No.6289403

Everyone always says.
>BULBLYUHUHH ITS JUST BECAUSE ITS NEW TO YOU, THEY THINK YOU'RE WEIRD TOO!!!!

I can look at tribal Africans or pretty much any culture and think "yeah, this isn't too strange." But every time I look at the gooks I can't help think how fucked up they are.

Anonymous Wed Mar 4 06:47:11 2015 No.6289412

>>6289380
Chink here. Your penissuss is soooo big, please greato white man, no angry!

Yeah it's fucked up what they're doing. You'd think it'd be easier to dispatch it before cooking so it wouldn't move around so much...

>>6289394
There's another cruel video out there where a Japanese chef shows his cutting prowess by filleting the fish on both sides then putting the poor fish back in the first tank.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 4 06:51:10 2015 No.6289419 i wouldn't eat it, no. just on grounds of good taste more than anything.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 4 06:52:16 2015 No.6289421 >>6289403 >I can look at tribal Africans or pretty much any culture and think "yeah, this isn't too strange." But every time I look at the gooks I can't help think how fucked up they are. so what the fuck do you think this proves

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 4 07:07:43 2015 No.6289441 fucking asians man gooks got them perfect childlike female asian bodies but all of this psycho shit too

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 4 07:17:27 2015 No.6289458 It's pretty much the opposite of westerners. They think adrenaline makes the meat taste better.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 4 07:22:00 2015 No.6289465 >>6289412 Link to the vid? Something I wanna try. Kids got a goldfish keeps me up barking all night.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 4 07:30:23 2015 No.6289476 slopes have no souls. how is this new to anybody?

Anonymous Wed Mar 4 10:21:12 2015 No.6289722

Eating octopus is great, but this is needlessly cruel. Octopuses are actually now on he same animal welfare lists occupied by chimpanzees and the like, since some species can get as intelligent or more intelligent than human toddlers. I wouldn't cook a baby alive while ripping out its organs and I hope that neither would you
>edgy comments incoming

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 4 10:24:36 2015 No.6289727 >>6289722 this. octopuses are fucking smart. people would be flipping their shit about this if they were doing it to, say, rabbits or something, but this is even worse

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 4 10:27:23 2015 No.6289731 >>6289476 This. They'd butcher their own mothers if 'mom meat' became a delicacy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 4 10:34:29 2015 No.6289747 >>6289380 Looks like a pain in the ass to cook. Work smarter, not harder.

Anonymous Wed Mar 4 10:42:57 2015 No.6289768

>>6289722
>Octopuses are actually now on he same animal welfare lists occupied by chimpanzees and the like, since some species can get as intelligent or more intelligent than human toddlers.
I never understood this kind of thinking. Animal cruelty is somehow better or worse depending on how intelligent we think the animal is? We're supposed to draw some arbitrary line about which animals we give a shit about based on their intelligence compared to a human toddler? That sounds silly. Either you care about animal suffering or you don't. Or you make special exceptions for specific animals for cultural reasons (Hindus with cows, Americans with dogs and horses).

But comparing animals to toddlers is ridiculous. Toddlers do not have a specific level of intelligence - they're very much a work in progress. Every moment a toddler is making new connections in it's brain based on experiences and very fast growth. They're learning to control their developing bodies, put language together and test the limits of their position in their family and society. What they do not yet have developed is a sense of empathy, which kind of makes them a poor comparison in terms of development for animals one suggests we ought to have greater empathy toward in general.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 4 10:43:41 2015 No.6289770 >>6289722 I guess you should wage a one man war on dem Asians to stop their practices or something. I'll provide the bitchin' 80's training montage music if you're game.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 4 10:50:25 2015 No.6289785 >>6289768 You have to draw a line somewhere though: is using disinfectant to kill bacteria okay, for example? Eating a plant? Stepping on an ant? Swatting a fly? Trapping a rabbit? There's a line somewhere in there.

Anonymous Wed Mar 4 10:51:50 2015 No.6289787

>>6289768

>We're supposed to draw some arbitrary line about which animals we give a shit about based on their intelligence compared to a human toddler? That sounds silly.

why does that sound silly? it's what we pretty much all do. the more intelligent we think they are the more relatable we find them. probably up to the point where they're *more* intelligent than us, but still.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 4 10:53:07 2015 No.6289791 >>6289787 Yeah but they're not cute so it's hard for me to care. That's my arbitrary line.

Anonymous Wed Mar 4 10:55:27 2015 No.6289795
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>>6289380
What's the matter OP? You don't mind having other people kill animals and cook them for you but doing it yourself is icky? Grow the hell up. Nothing like fresh food, and being able to be an adult enough to do the killing yourself. That being said...it would be nice if they killed it as painlessly as possible right before the cooking, but still. It is what it is.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 4 10:56:28 2015 No.6289797 File: 14 KB, 500x313, tumblr_lgskpaYryJ1qzdstpo1_500.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6289380 tbh the video has way may dislikes than likes and the terrible translations of the comments are mainly negative It's still wack though

Anonymous Wed Mar 4 10:58:25 2015 No.6289801

>>6289787
>the more intelligent we think they are the more relatable we find them

Who exactly do you mean when you use the word "we" in that sentance?

I'm not the guy you're replying to, but frankly I argree with him. I don't think the intelligence of the animal matters at all.

In my opinion it comes down to motivation.

Killing an animal to protect myself or to eat it for food is acceptable. Killing for "fun" or sadism is not acceptable.

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Anonymous Wed Mar 4 11:04:04 2015 No.6289816

>>6289801

>Who exactly do you mean when you use the word "we" in that sentance?

i think it's an intuitive rational concept we all share to some extent, 'we' being empathic humans. you might not justify killing on that basis but i'm sure you would selectively apply it in some contexts. i supposed part of it comes from the idea that the more sophisticated your intelligence is the more acutely you suffer when bad things happen to you; whether or not that's bollocks i don't know.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 4 11:06:43 2015 No.6289826 savages

Anonymous Wed Mar 4 11:10:38 2015 No.6289839

>>6289785
>There's a line somewhere in there.
Agreed. But the line can be based on cruelty itself. If we're killing animals it ought to be as quick and painless a death as possible. Naturally this would make eating some common foods like fish inconvenient, but at least it makes sense.
>>6289787
>the more intelligent we think they are the more relatable we find them. probably up to the point where they're *more* intelligent than us, but still.
Using perceived intelligence as a measure for how much cruelty is OK strikes me as dangerous thinking. That's what got retarded people sitting naked chained up in their rooms, shot up with Hep B for medical tests while they banged their heads against the wall all day in Willowbrook.

There's no reason to think cruelty is any more or less OK depending on the sufferer's intelligence.

Anonymous Wed Mar 4 11:11:55 2015 No.6289840

>>6289839

>Using perceived intelligence as a measure for how much cruelty is OK strikes me as dangerous thinking.

i never said it wasn't dangerous, that doesn't make this:

>There's no reason to think cruelty is any more or less OK depending on the sufferer's intelligence.

a true statement.

Anonymous Wed Mar 4 11:14:24 2015 No.6289845

>>6289839

another thing about this statement:

>There's no reason to think cruelty is any more or less OK depending on the sufferer's intelligence.

cruelty itself is a 'less ok' form of violence. it is inherently an un-ok thing to inflict on something. the question really is whether or not it is *cruel* to do this kind of stuff to a dumb thing.

Anonymous Wed Mar 4 11:15:57 2015 No.6289849

It became apparent to me when I went to University that all orientals operate on a completely different moral and social system to westerners, so this sort of shit doesn't surprise me.

They're also all the sons and daughters of civil servants, can barely speak or write and pay people to do all their work for them. In return the universities fleece their parents.

Anonymous Wed Mar 4 11:16:47 2015 No.6289850

>>6289840
It kinda does, though. As >>6289722 points out, there are animal welfare lists based on how intelligent we think an animal is. It's somehow more wrong to be cruel to the intelligent animals, which makes it less wrong to the less intelligent ones.

That's an interesting idea, but I don't think it's a good one.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 4 11:20:05 2015 No.6289860 >>6289849 It's amazing how spoiled this generation of east asian kids are.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 4 11:20:42 2015 No.6289863 >>6289722 so asians should be allowed to cook white babies since they have a higher average iq :)

Anonymous Wed Mar 4 11:21:52 2015 No.6289866

>>6289850

the reason it doesn't is because the concept of cruelty is based on emotions, or more generally perceptual experiences, that may only occur at sufficient levels of intelligence: humiliation, fear of death, etc. that doesn't stop being valid just because it may trespass across the human-animal border in extreme cases. it is possible that we could have other reasons not to do bad things to our own species where this line of thinking fails.

Anonymous Wed Mar 4 11:36:10 2015 No.6289903

>>6289866
Cruelty is causing needless suffering. Sure, more advanced social species can be made to suffer in psychological ways that less advanced species cannot. There are more ways to be cruel to them.

This is still an evolving idea in our culture. And for all the self-righteous indignation some of us may express toward videos of Asians cooking or skinning animals alive, just remember there's a damned good reason why federal law makes illegal to take similar videos of our own slaughterhouses.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 4 12:03:24 2015 No.6289967 >>6289850 Basically the reason is that people in animal welfare area AND policy makers thought that intelligence relates to consciousness and ability to feel pain.

Anonymous Wed Mar 4 12:13:08 2015 No.6289995

>>6289967
>intelligence relates to consciousness and ability to feel pain.
That's an antique idea. Pain is pretty basic stuff. An animal that didn't feel pain would pretty quickly destroy itself. Perhaps something like a clam of a coral - lives in a shell, has no nervous system to speak of - might have a different sense of pain that we do. But anything with nerve endings is going to feel pain similar to the way we do.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 4 12:26:58 2015 No.6290037 File: 1.99 MB, 343x230, 1374936519794.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How are you so sure the thing is still alive and it's not just muscles contracting under the heat?

Anonymous Wed Mar 4 12:30:07 2015 No.6290044

>>6289995
>antique idea
It is antique.But scientists are struggling to prove that these animals (crustaceans for example) FEEL the pain. Some are going back to the Cartesian ideas that animals don't feel anything, basically saying they show pain-like reactions, reflex response is different from actually feeling pain, etc. They just refuse to admit that "lower animals" have feelings as well.

They had this experiment where they showed how crustaceans feel pain. Yet it is dismissed as it is thought that the pain reaction is the result of conditioning involved in training the subject, not the actual feeling pain.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 4 12:36:33 2015 No.6290075 >>6290037 Because muscle contract when exposed to head once and only once, not multiple times while trying to pull itself off of something. The .gif you have posted is electrolytes being poured onto a fresh kill which is why it moves.

Anonymous Wed Mar 4 19:32:50 2015 No.6291148

>>6289722
I'm this commenter here
>>6289839
>>6289840
>>6289845
>>6289816
I'm of a similar line of thinking to what these guys are proposing. I'd say that cruelty in all forms to all things is pointless and obnoxious, but I'd say it doesn't become "unacceptable" until cruelty is committed to an organism that has the capacity for 'suffering' as opposed to just pain.
Reflexes to harmful stimuli are some of the most basic responses you can get, and are exhibited by pretty much all life. However, in order to suffer the organism in question needs enough reasoning capability to have some awareness of what is happening to it.
By current neurological findings I'd say the animals capable of suffering to this degree includes:
>many arthropods, such as decapod crustaceans, spiders and some insects
>most if not all cephalopods
>most if not all tetrapods, especially mammals
>some fish

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 12:18:18 2015 No.6292915 this is so fucking disgusting

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 12:41:16 2015 No.6292978 File: 2.93 MB, 852x480, asian food.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 12:48:40 2015 No.6292997 >>6289465 care to google you fag ? >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCvO9rInXmo

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 12:52:51 2015 No.6293009 i think this shit is strictly a gook thing, much more rare in china / japan / southeast asia

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 13:01:43 2015 No.6293027 >>6293009 see >>6292997

Anonymous Thu Mar 5 13:03:06 2015 No.6293030

>>6289380
when people outside the scientific community start assuming things like this as inhuman, like thinking that the octopus is in terrible burning pain similar to what we feel, i start to get pissed off.

like how dipshit moms start trying to read the ingredients list and think its unhealthy to have something with a systematic name. fuck you, its not about organic or inorganic, its about the biproduct from the creation.

fucking plebians

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 13:08:47 2015 No.6293037 >>6293030 This this this

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 13:11:44 2015 No.6293044 >>6292997Thanks. I think that post turned me into a racist. Fucking gooks.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 13:14:20 2015 No.6293048 >>6289380 is that MSG or salt they're dumping on it?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 13:29:10 2015 No.6293065 >>6292978 That one's not alive tho. It's just the nervous system still intact and exhibiting reflexes.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 13:30:12 2015 No.6293069 >>6292978 is that a headless eel?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 13:38:23 2015 No.6293081 >>6289380 >caring what others do in their own country Sure is white american in here, did you remember to give your money to Israel today like the good goym that you are?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 13:40:39 2015 No.6293084 why do they cook it while its alive why are they so cruel

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 13:42:28 2015 No.6293086 >>6289385 It's an octopus, not a squid.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 13:44:06 2015 No.6293087 >>6293084 The lives of humans and especially animals are of almost no value in most Asian countries; they see foods like this as a novelty. They're fully aware that it's an intelligent animal and feels pain, but they don't care.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 13:46:19 2015 No.6293093 >>6293087 >source: my ass

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 13:53:06 2015 No.6293113 >>6293087 still not as bad as idians

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 14:38:31 2015 No.6293225 >>6293087 >>6293093 i'm actually curious though. what is their thought process? have they considered what they're doing from an objective standpoint? are they just uneducated?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 14:40:34 2015 No.6293231 >>6289380 >A bunch of retards trying to hold down a squirming animal with their bare hands on a hot grill Seriously, I hope they all get 3rd degree burns from this shit, just everything about it is retarded.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 14:41:59 2015 No.6293239 >>6289380 I bet that squid tastes like shit, stress ruins the flavor of the meat. There's more reasons to kill an animal quickly beyond being humane.

Anonymous Thu Mar 5 14:42:26 2015 No.6293241

>>6289380
Grilling a live octopus is a bit much but, counter argument:

Why are Americans so spoiled? They are scared of having a head on fish and on chicken. They only eat filets and cuts of meat. They never see the 'animal'. If they see a head on a fish they will be too grossed out to eat.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 14:43:43 2015 No.6293250 >>6293241 Not all. There's a difference between limp-wristed cityfags and kill it and grill it countryfags

Anonymous Thu Mar 5 14:45:04 2015 No.6293255

Did you know that they also like to skin animals like racoons, alive?

Theres tons of videos out there of them nails a racoons back feet to a fucking board and peeling their skin off while they are alive and awake, and they keep clubbing it on the head while it stuggles and screams.

And then they chuck the skinless, still alive, body into a big pile with others and grab the next one. A big bloody pile of skinless animals all still alive and dying.

Asians are fucked.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 5 14:47:49 2015 No.6293274 >>6293255 They have no honor or decency and it's why they will never control the world.

Anonymous Thu Mar 5 14:51:48 2015 No.6293284

>>6293241

>Why are Americans so spoiled? They are scared of having a head on fish and on chicken. They only eat filets and cuts of meat. They never see the 'animal'. If they see a head on a fish they will be too grossed out to eat.

Every place in the world has their pussy faggots that dont want to see a head on their meat. Every place also has people that dont mind a head. But all of them agree that an animal should be killed quickly and cleanly to get the best flavor out of the meat. And they have souls, so they can generally sympathize with a suffering animal. People who torture animals are often fucked in the head and sent to prison/rehabilitation.

And then we have Asian countries, where torturing and beating animals is the norm, either just because they feel like it, dont like animals, or they think it gives them a better taste. No souls to be found. Dogs boiled alive in old oil drums, still trying to climb out of the scalding water? Delicious! Chickens beaten and "tenderized" by breaking all the bones in their body with a malet while they are still alive, and then cooking them? Local delicacy!

Anonymous Thu Mar 5 19:20:52 2015 No.6294158

>>6293030

>when people outside the scientific community start assuming things like this as inhuman

there's nothing wrong with that whatsoever. in the absence of evidence you naturally look to intuition to provide moral guidance. scientists are just as apt to do this as well, it's not like all scientists have a detailed understanding of nociception and suffering.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 08:19:07 2015 No.6295607 >>6293087 >>6293093 it's true to a certain extent you can order a human getting killed in phillipines for 10$

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 08:23:02 2015 No.6295618 >>6293284 >he's never heard of foie gras Passportless flyover scum detected

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 08:45:18 2015 No.6295668

>>6295618
This is why as much as I love Asian women. I am scared to have kids with thEm. Godless people are the worst. Almost the same as Muslims. He'll worshiping zirostoan, greek, roman, dscian, celtic, Iberian gods is more rational. And proves you are human.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 08:46:43 2015 No.6295671 >>6295668 You're scared to have kids with asian women because of foie gras? Or do you mean because you don't have a passport so your knowledge of other cultures comes from 4chan?

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 09:04:08 2015 No.6295707

>>6293030

What I don't understand is from an evolutionary standpoint, why wouldn't they feel pain? It seems like something that would help them survive as it did for us, having your body fucked up is bad ectect. Forgive my naiveté but it seems reasonable enough to belive in higher life forms.

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 09:06:38 2015 No.6295711

>>6295707

it's evident that they have nociception, i.e: the capacity to detect and avoid harm, but that's not the same as pain/suffering. it does seem like the guy you're quoting seems to be assuming they *don't* suffer the way humans do which is kind of a big assumption.

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 09:11:18 2015 No.6295718

>>6295707

When it comes to classifying phenomena such as "pain" in other life forms, it degenerates into semantics in the true sense of the word the moment the definition moves beyond "well it looks like it's in pain and that's good enough for me"

White people beat their breasts and wail over asians cutting up a live fish in the kitchen, but then when animal rights groups protest grinding up live baby chickens or various other things that are perfectly normal for industrial farming, the very same white people have a conniption because it's socialist vegan islamofascist feminazi tumblr infiltration of our precious bodily fluids and GAWD said we should inflict literal wholesale suffering on millions of animals because it said so in THE BIBLE.

It's pathetic.

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 09:18:34 2015 No.6295740

>>6295711
Pretty much everything with a central nervous system feels pain. That's one of the main purposes of the brain: to perceive sensations like pain and enjoyment. Nociception is just one step in the process. Nociception is not the capacity to detect and avoid harm. It is a term to describe the modulation and demodulation of signals on nerve tissue.

Historically there has been a lot of misinformation and religious bullshit and plain ignorance that has confused a lot of people. I guess some people prefer to believe the world is flat too, for whatever reason.

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 09:24:48 2015 No.6295757

>>6295740

i think that's something of a pedantic correction although i suppose to include 'avoidance' in that definition was stretching it a bit.

>Pretty much everything with a central nervous system feels pain.

i mean, obviously yes, but the moral weight of that 'pain' is based on more than just the fundamental concept that it signals harm.

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 09:25:14 2015 No.6295758

>>6295707
They do feel pain. If it has a central nervous system, it probably feels pain. A lot of people are too ignorant or biased to investigate on their own, so these are some of the common misconceptions of our time. physiologically, all mammals are incredibly similar, but yet, even members of the same species will isolate, ostracize, and demonize each other out of conformational and familial biases. A careful and unbiased review of the scientific facts available today show a clear picture that almost all animals that have a central nervous system feel pain, and many can perceive way more sensations that just pain.

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 09:28:31 2015 No.6295763 [DELETED]

>>6295757
Well dude, you know, people have all kinds of agendas to stifle the truth.

Remember like how Indians and niggers aren't really human, they are beasts, and so that's why it's ok to string them up with a metal chain and light a fire under them like they used to do in lynch mobs in Texas.

Just because you don't feel the pain yourself, or find it easier to do your job or eat your burger or whatever by disassociating from that reality, it doesn't change the fact that pigs and cows feel pain just like we do. And even blacks and Indians, of course...

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 09:29:46 2015 No.6295764 >>6295763 i think you're reading too much into my posts because you have some kind of an agenda about it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 09:31:54 2015 No.6295771 >>6295764 You're right, I'm tired of people acting like animals can't feel pain, when from my perspective, it would take a lunatic to believe that in today's day and age of information.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 09:34:07 2015 No.6295773 >>6295771 i agree with you about that.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 09:35:50 2015 No.6295776 >>6295718 >so mad

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Anonymous Fri Mar 6 09:45:46 2015 No.6295803

weather animals feal pain or not,...... why does that pain matter?

what is the goal here. are we after an end to animal suffering? if so dont we have to then step in and save animals from other animals? arent we now placeing ther pain n a moral level similar to humans? if you knew a person was being hunted youd have an obligation to help right? dont you have an obligation to stop the cayotee or fox from killing a rabbit then? or is that suffering more natural and thus acceptable

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 09:49:52 2015 No.6295809

>>6295803
My goal is an accurate understanding of reality. I still eat meat, but I am not some deluded, disassociated nincompoop who believes in some make believe shit that animals can't feel pain.

Only after we start to see the world and each other for what we really are: only then will be able to reach higher levels of understanding as a society/culture/species.

A lot of people are all wound up in their ideologies, but many people like me, just want to face the truth, because in the end, after all the lies we tell each other, after all the deceptions and disassociation from the truth, in the end there is only one truth and one reality, regardless of how any of us see it, and getting closer to alignment with that truth is my goal.

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 09:58:03 2015 No.6295830

>>6295809
my issue here

the truth about subject B is A
persons with delusional ideology are convinced the truth about B is D,C, or even E
if the truth about B is meaningless and irrelevant to any thing else but B the why is it important to correct delusion ?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 09:58:44 2015 No.6295833 >>6295809 Put down the pipe for an hour or so, Spicoli

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 10:00:54 2015 No.6295837 >>6292978 Are those muscle contractions or is that some kind of eel/long fish that has simply been skinned alive and put onto hot coals?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 10:05:17 2015 No.6295844 >>6295837 contractions, the eel has no head

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 10:05:26 2015 No.6295845 >>6289768 >Animal cruelty is somehow better or worse depending on how intelligent we think the animal is? yes, obviously. Are you a fucking moron?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 10:08:57 2015 No.6295851 >>6295833 Thanks for reminding me of that movie. I lolled when I looked up the name. I hadn't seen it in years, but... It'd be a whole lot cooler if I had.. hue hue hue

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 10:10:55 2015 No.6295855

"Bottom-dwelling octopuses eat mainly crabs, polychaete worms, and other molluscs such as whelks and clams. Open-ocean octopuses eat mainly prawns, fish and other cephalopods. They usually inject their prey with a paralysing saliva before dismembering it into small pieces with their beaks.[38] Octopuses feed on shelled molluscs either by using force, or by drilling a hole in the shell, injecting a secretion into the hole, and then extracting the soft body of the mollusc.[39]

Large octopuses have also been known to catch and kill some species of sharks"

if we are talking about octopus inteligence, how animals feel pain, and animal cruelty then i ask...is the octopus not guilty as well

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 10:11:49 2015 No.6295857

>>6295830
Sometimes the people with the delusions are policy makers and regulative authorities that try to impose their delusions on us. In fact, this is often the case, hence why so many people are waking up eager to know the truth for a change instead of just someone else's delusion to support their selfish agendas. And you know this is just an example, in your example, taken literally it doesn't matter, because you define the truth about B as "meaningless and irrelevant" but the truth is often (if not generally) not meaningless or irrelevant.

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 10:15:48 2015 No.6295863

>>6295855
>animal cruelty then i ask...is the octopus not guilty as well

The octopus certainly inflicts pain upon its prey, as do all predatory animals. But the difference is that the octopus has no choice--it must cause suffering in order to eat and survive.

We humans, on the other hand, have a choice. When we eat something--such as an octopus--we have the option of killing it quickly and then eating it, or we can eat it alive. The latter option is more cruel than the former.

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 10:16:32 2015 No.6295864

>>6295857
truth or fact is not inherently meanigfull or relevent

meaning and relevence are part of narative and system......animals feel pain tells e nothing more than animals feel pain....its a data point untill its part of a usefull exchange which plots it as art of a figure

why is it important that we understand how animals feel pain?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 10:18:23 2015 No.6295866 >>6289768 It's not about intelligence, it's about capacity to experience suffering, which intelligence is usually a good indicator of.

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 10:21:48 2015 No.6295869

>>6295855
>.is the octopus not guilty as well
This. This is why I have no trouble eating pigs, even though they're supposedly really intelligent as well. I know those fuckers would eat me, given the chance. Knowing an octopus would rip me apart while eating me alive given the chance means I don't have to give a fuck about how those things are treated.

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 10:30:06 2015 No.6295876

>>6295863
why does choice matter

if i choose to dismember and eat you aor an octopus does so instinctualy...the end result is the same....the same pain and suffering

or

if i kill you with painkillers and you dye sleeping and the octopus kills you while eating you alive....the end result is still your death

with humans i think we care about this stuff becuase a human socioty with as little aceptable human on huan voilence is a socioty which favors human survival and well being

but why do we care about animal welfare when animals themselves dont and in fact are likely incapable and even cruel by default

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 10:30:28 2015 No.6295877

>>6295864
You answered your own question if you just sit down and think for a moment. If you like to think of it as a "data point" that's fine, but then you should be aware that any deeper understanding only comes from the correlation and synthesis of many data points and the understanding of their relationships. This data point "matrix" can then form the basis for being its own individual data point whereby we begin to reference more and more complex ideas.

Even that single "data point" you mention that animals feel pain. Today that data point is actually composed of a whole field of data points that we can synthesize into a simple statement "Animals feel pain" and now we can build on that.

No truth is meaningless, information might seem irrelevant, but the truth is always meaningful because that's how we build ourselves up into better organisms. One tiny piece of data somewhere might seem totally useless, but taken together they help to model our understanding of the nature of the universe.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 10:34:24 2015 No.6295884 >>6295876 we don't punish acts that aren't chosen.

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 10:34:53 2015 No.6295886

>>6295876
>why does choice matter

Depends on what factor you are considering in your discussion. If the factor is merely "Death" then you're right, it doesn't matter.

If the factor is "suffering" then there is a clear difference between the two.

>>but why do we care about animal welfare

Because human beings have empathy. Well, most humans do. Psychopaths do not.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 10:40:18 2015 No.6295890 >>6295886 This is why u only sleep with Asian women and never have babies. White boys who want This mexishit to be jelly are wrong. I prefer your rUral cow girl talk blondies. They can saddle and domesticate this crazy horse any day :)

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 10:50:50 2015 No.6295911 >>6295866 >it's about capacity to experience suffering, which intelligence is usually a good indicator of. This is the leap I don't understand. Next thing you know you'll say retards don't feel pain the same way everybody else does.

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 11:00:03 2015 No.6295928

>>6295911
I'm not that guy, but there are people who DO say that, actually. I had an argument with an asshole that insisted that babies don't feel pain, when anyone that has been around an infant knows that they not only feel pain, but are more sensitive to it. It's mind-boggling how ignorant some people are. I want to believe they are trolls, but the truth is some people are just hopeless. Some people have "been in the Matrix too long", if you want a hollywood analogy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 11:41:27 2015 No.6295996 >>6295884 Do we live on rhe same planet?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 12:31:58 2015 No.6296088 >>6295996 it is not considered ethical to punish acts that aren't chosen.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 12:58:41 2015 No.6296150 >>6296088 But it happens all the time, human socioty does that quite regularly For instance poverty and healthcare

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 17:22:29 2015 No.6297000 i can't fucking believe this shit

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 17:24:47 2015 No.6297005 >>6296150 Neither of those are punishments.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 17:25:48 2015 No.6297007 >>6297000 shit man. you almost got trips AND 22.22.22

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 17:36:52 2015 No.6297034 Fuck yes I would eat that, who cares animals do worse shit out in the wild. It's a fuckin octopus, it's not like it's a puppy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 17:42:05 2015 No.6297049 >>6297034 >It's a fuckin octopus, it's not like it's a puppy. You're right. It's far more intelligent than a puppy is.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 17:42:17 2015 No.6297051 >>6297034 1. you would rather be killed in the wild by a carnivore than slowly burned alive to death 2. octopuses are smarter and have superior cognitive ability compared to dogs. this is supported by science, look it up

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 17:47:33 2015 No.6297060 >>6297051 >octopuses are smarter and have superior cognitive ability compared to dogs. this is supported by science, look it up Yes, this is true. But why does it matter?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 17:48:58 2015 No.6297065 >>6297060 because I assume that is the reason behind the poster behaving as though doing this to a puppy is worse. I guess he could be saying that because he just thinks puppies are cuter or are you asking why animal cruelty matters?

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 17:56:48 2015 No.6297084

>>6297065
>or are you asking why animal cruelty matters?

No, I was asking why the relative intelligence of animal matters from a cruelty perspective. In other words, just because animal A is smarter than animal B, is it any more or less cruel to hurt one vs. the other?

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 17:59:53 2015 No.6297092

>>6297084
>ust because animal A is smarter than animal B, is it any more or less cruel to hurt one vs. the other?
I've been asking that question since the start of the thread. No one has given an answer better than "hurr durr, the smarter an animal is the more pain it can feel."

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 18:01:15 2015 No.6297096 >>6297084 oh, no I don't think it matters at all. if a being is capable of cognition and feeling pain being cruel to it is monstrous regardless of its comparative intelligence the guy I originally responded to disagrees, I would guess

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 18:10:15 2015 No.6297120

>>6297092
I don't believe in any animal cruelty bs but here is my devil's advocate argument.

Dumbest: plants
Smartest: humans

Plants maybe possibly feel pain, they wither when mistreated, they are pretty and we take care of them. Why do we not give a single fuck about cruelty to plants? Because they are not smart. They don't have the capacity to emotionally feel harm, only physically. They don't have brains and thus don't get any rights.

Now let's take dolphins. They are smart. They have sex for fun. They live full lives with playful emotions and personal attachments. They get sad. They have mental illness. They have a concept of death and fear it existentially. They can look you in the eyes and ask "why are you killing me?" That is why we don't kill them- they are too intelligent.

Everything from plants to humans exists among the intelligence spectrum. The more relatable their pain is- the more it looks like our pain, aka the more intelligent they are, the more we empathize and avoid hurting them

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 6 18:14:18 2015 No.6297130 >>6297096 >if a being is capable of cognition and feeling pain being cruel to it is monstrous regardless of its comparative intelligence So I'm guessing you never eat any fish or industrially farmed meat, eggs and dairy, right?

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Anonymous Fri Mar 6 18:18:43 2015 No.6297139

>>6297130

I've gone fishing and eat fish that I've caught, I don't eat store bought fish. I rarely eat meat period, but when I do it's not industrially farmed. I drink soymilk exclusively (silk brand very vanilla flavor--it's delicious)

if you're trying to prove some kind of point can you just state it so that I can respond, or is this roundabout way of saying something necessary

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 18:26:25 2015 No.6297152

>>6297139
It's just that the vividness of an animal suffering hits people hard. Some guy pours gasoline all over a puppy, then sets it on fire, and people call him a monster. Because it's such a vivid example of cruelty.

But most animal cruelty is more mundane. It high density feedlots, huge chicken houses slaughterhouses and the like. Not nearly as vivid, because filming what goes on in such places is illegal in many cases.

So we end with a schizophrenic view of animal cruelty. We'll arrest someone for abusing a dog, but a chicken on a farm isn't even legally considered an animal.

Anonymous Fri Mar 6 18:38:32 2015 No.6297174

>>6297152

I see

I agree that the institutionalized cruelty is outrageous (and imo overlooked to a criminal degree). as sad as it is I doubt it'll see a true overhaul in my lifetime, but who knows. in the future hopefully in vitro meat and animal products become the standard rather than insane factory farms

if it was up to me I'd like to air the smuggled-out footage of what people have filmed publicly to sort of imitate the pictures of smoker's lungs on packs of cigarettes. although it's unlikely it'd be directly effective in getting people to change their habits, it might start a stronger, more direct dialogue about exactly how we treat animals that we would otherwise utterly disregard

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 04:54:27 2015 No.6298558 This whole thing can be boiled down to. If it is alive, put it out of its misery and don't prolong its suffering. Killing to eat is generally the right thing to do, while killing for fun/reactionary input is just fucked up.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 11:33:23 2015 No.6299132 >>6289380 It's probably dead already and the heat is just stimulating the nerves, making it wriggle

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 16:52:18 2015 No.6299913 what the fuck is wrong with gooks

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 17:16:53 2015 No.6300002 >>6297084 > animal A is smarter than animal B this first year philosophy talk.

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 17:23:49 2015 No.6300033

>>6289380
God that is so fuckin inhumane. People act like niggers are so horrible, and while they're primal and violent, there isn't another race that's as cruel and disgusting as asians. Fucking disgraceful.

Beyond that, that's just shit tier food. Fucking mongoloids.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 17:37:12 2015 No.6300085 are you guys seriously offended by this? cant really tell if people are just shitposting for the sake of being able to shitpost or if you're really disgusted about this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 17:52:48 2015 No.6300129 >>6300085 subhuman gook detected.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 18:25:51 2015 No.6300223 File: 137 KB, 1024x633, temla-gardin.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Nature is cruel, but we don't have to be.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 18:29:09 2015 No.6300230 File: 42 KB, 600x400, crabs_0547.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] You guys would be really pissed at a good old fashioned crab feast.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 18:31:30 2015 No.6300233 > ITT: you'll cowards don't even smoke crack

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 18:37:04 2015 No.6300244 >>6300230 Yeah

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 18:40:50 2015 No.6300256 that is disgusting.at least kill it before eating. hope someone puts them on a hot grill, alive.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 18:41:20 2015 No.6300258 >>6289805 >steeee'ing intesifies

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 18:41:32 2015 No.6300259 >>6293241 slaughtering an animal with respect is one thing, but grilling/torturing a live animal is another. the latter is disgusting.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 18:45:39 2015 No.6300272 >>6289768 You stupid cunt it's not about killing it's about torture. Quickly killing and then butchering an animal is one thing. Pinning a living thing to a grill and slowly and painfully killing it is another.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 18:47:05 2015 No.6300274 File: 174 KB, 500x299, thats-why-i-dont-eat-lobster.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ITT: white people (in a manner of speaking)

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 18:53:52 2015 No.6300289

it feels so embarassingly inneficient. I can understand the traditional way was probably throwing it in a fire or something but that pitiful grill just had no way to do the job. A few cuts in teh animal's brain would have saved them like 20 minutes of looking stupid on the video.

Anonymous Sat Mar 7 19:32:19 2015 No.6300395

>>6300259

Octopus until it dead souls floating-go's crazy now. It owns one of Narbonne Cell Gkๆ is it you take pangas or Sparta hack it. It is also well tentacles squirm Will still have to wait for it to go away. Who torture animals to see and Drama tell you. I do not pity me Blah blah blah I do not see you eat meat, well I hope it is of the essence, it is the artistic culture of the people we were born to live. Even the monks to eat meat at all. It is cyclical This type of eating If you look into the art, it is nothing alarming. Everything depends on the nature of the existence and off.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 19:41:30 2015 No.6300438 >>6297092 >No one has given an answer better than "hurr durr, the smarter an animal is the more pain it can feel." yes they have you stubborn cunt.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 19:45:21 2015 No.6300451 File: 170 KB, 496x600, gook_image04[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6300274

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 7 19:55:39 2015 No.6300474 the best squid i've ever eaten was in korea when the legs were still moving around but anyway i don't think it's an asian thing - i can post some thing about the thanksgiving turkeys or caged chicken eggs in america and i find it just as inhumane.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 04:50:27 2015 No.6301482

This suffering is uncalled for, if you are going to eat it, give it a quick and painless as possible death, an hour or two before you cook it won't make a different in taste, like any1 can tell.

Time like this, I really wish there is a hell for people like these. There is no excuse.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 04:59:39 2015 No.6301493 >>6289380 This wouldn't have bothered me until I realized just what an octopus was. Now things like this horrify me.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 11:38:42 2015 No.6302046 Hate to tell most of you his, but you're fuckin stupid. It is killed and cleaned before they put it on the grill. retards

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 11:51:03 2015 No.6302061 >>6301493 Just what is an octopus? >>6302046 Welcome to white people.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 11:59:43 2015 No.6302075 >>6302061 Fuck you I'm white, i'm just not fucking retarded

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 12:11:20 2015 No.6302097 Man, these video are always entertain to watch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzbbbhuh5KQ

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 12:19:24 2015 No.6302108

>>6289380
All these nips did was make the suffering of the animal visible.
Prohints:
>all of your neatly packaged meats from the supermarket once came from an animal
>that animal, if not slaughtered botched or inhumanely, lived a lifetime of suffering
>it was likely diseased, suffering, stressed, and/or dirty at its time of demise

Please stop pretending westerners are superior. It's cringey unless you're a vegetarian/vegan or you slaughter your own meat.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 12:22:10 2015 No.6302121 The life of farm animal is about suffering.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 12:26:21 2015 No.6302129 >>6289403 >I'm racist in one way, but not another, so I see no reason to try and improve myself

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 14:20:02 2015 No.6302340 >>6289391 Not if it tastes good.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 14:24:28 2015 No.6302352 >>6289785 >You have to draw a line somewhere though No. I don't. don't tell me what the fuck I have to do, Adolf.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 14:25:29 2015 No.6302355

>>6289380
You can't expect Thais to behave like civilized human beings, because they basically aren't.

This is the country where the king murdered his brother in order to take the throne, and has kept the commoners subjugated through everything from military dictatorships to outright assassinations, and yet the people revere him because he only allows positive stuff to be printed about him.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 14:26:47 2015 No.6302361

If any of you had half a brain, you'd realize that killing intelligent species was the CORRECT thing to do. We shouldn't be protecting the lives of something that could one day threaten our dominance. Think about what's best for humanity, not some fucking animal.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 14:28:53 2015 No.6302370 >>6289385 >squid It's an octopus. You're stupid.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 14:29:08 2015 No.6302371 >>6289863 Thais sure don't. They're mostly about as dumb as dogshit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 14:31:12 2015 No.6302377 >>6302371 And they still cook food better than you ever could.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 14:32:15 2015 No.6302380 >>6302355 I don't see the problem there. The leader is clearly a smart and productive man.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 14:33:02 2015 No.6302382 >>6302361 >muh protecting the species And how many kids have you had so far? None? You mean you've never had sex? Well thanks for the input then, alpha male

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 14:36:16 2015 No.6302391 >>6302382 No kids, but also not a virgin. Stop projecting man :^)

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 14:36:47 2015 No.6302393

>>6293093
Nope. I agree with him, and I've lived in Asia for five years now. They just don't give a shit about anyone or anything other than themselves.

The Thais literally enslave people, in particular Burmese migrant workers, to work in the lowest physical-labor industries like fishing. Here's a recent article on it:
http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/02/25/thailand-overfishing-slave-labour/

Of course, they're hardly alone in that. Taiwan treats Indonesian and Filipino workers like dirt, and after a particularly nasty incident in which an Indonesian maid was tortured, crippled, and blinded by her employer, the Taiwanese government banned new maids from being brought over from Indonesia -- because the Indonesian government dared to complain and insist that Taiwan's government do something about the long-ongoing pattern of mistreatment.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 14:39:48 2015 No.6302406

>>6295618
>foie gras
Which is practically painless to the duck; they enjoy getting stuffed full of food. The animal-rights loons have had a lot of success at portraying it as inhumane, but only because most people don't bother to learn anything about it beyond what the animal-rights activists' propaganda bullshit claims.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 14:42:20 2015 No.6302412 >>6295863 Well said.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 14:56:55 2015 No.6302446 >>6289380 Can someone post more info about this meal? A lot of people say that it's normal for tentacles to move after the animals already been killed. How do we know this ones alive?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 15:29:42 2015 No.6302509 >>6295863 Why does cruelty matter? How does this impact me?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 15:31:28 2015 No.6302514 >>6295886 Are you trying to argue that if I don't care about animal welfare, I'm a psychopath?

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 15:51:01 2015 No.6302548

>>6295886
>Because human beings have empathy.
But we also have the choice of exactly to whom that empathy extends. For example a racist may choose not to have empathy for people with a different skin color. A jingoist chooses not to have empathy for people of specific nations. An elitist chooses not to have empathy for the poor.

It's perfectly reasonable to choose not to have empathy for animal suffering, especially in the industrialized wold. Because if you really started thinking about animal suffering being a valid concern you'd pretty much have to go vegan in the world we inhabit.

That makes extending empathy to our food pretty fucking inconvenient.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 15:53:12 2015 No.6302554

>>6293225

the difference is that today kids in the west are indoctrinated to feel extreme amounts of compassion towards literally everything. this is not the case in most of asia. throughout your life you are told by everyone that you must value life and feel compassion towards everything that moves.
throughout your childhood you see adults act this way - emotional, empathetic, compassionate. so you emulate it and since everybody does it it becomes normal and natural to you, and everything else becomes some crazy inhuman abomination.
and contrary to popular belief, this way of thinking is far from 'normal'. it only became a thing in the 20th century, and pretty much exclusively in the west.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 15:53:18 2015 No.6302555 >>6302548 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmfRMeU6pQ8

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 16:42:43 2015 No.6302681

>>6302406
From the EU Scientific Committee on Animal Health and Welfare on the wiki:
>On the force feeding process, the EU committee examined several experiments carried out by INRA (Institut National de la Recherche Agronomique) to detect pain or distress by looking at blood hormones, and found that no definite conclusions can be drawn from these studies. Other studies looked at behavioral aversion to the feeding process and found that force fed ducks avoided the feeding pen when given a choice, whereas a majority of the control group not being force fed would enter the feeding pen voluntarily. Daily hand-feeding of ducks and geese is normally associated with a positive response by the animals towards the person feeding them. In contrast, the working group observed that ducks and geese in a pen kept away from their force feeder when he entered the room. In an unpublished pilot experiment by INRA, ducks in cages reportedly displayed less avoidance behaviour to the force feeder’s visit than to the visit of a neutral person coming along the cages later. However, in the working group's own observations, "Ducks in cages had little opportunity to show avoidance but sometimes moved their heads away from the person who was about to force feed them."

>The report also recommends collection of additional data regarding the health of the animals, feeding methods, animal housing, and socio-economic factors

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foie_gras_controversy

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 16:45:42 2015 No.6302697 >>6302681 Refusal isn't pain. Stopping a practice because the animal naturally refuse it is basically accepting that farming itself should be illegal since clearly animal prefer to go where they want.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 16:47:44 2015 No.6302707

Bare with me for a moment please.

Several massive figures, towering over a pit of flaming fire, using sharp and hard metals objects, holding down something alive and struggling over this pit of fire until it struggles no more, all the while, these massive figures are entertained and having a great time.

What comes to mind?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 16:55:03 2015 No.6302733 >they should be ashamed! hurting that creature! >that's DISTURBING! >anyway, time for dinner >ooh, bacon and meatballs, my favorite

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 16:57:25 2015 No.6302742 >>6289380 goddamn white fucks are so sensitive

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 16:57:53 2015 No.6302745

>>6302697
>they enjoy getting stuffed full of food

But yeah it's not like I was there during the expirement to see to what extent they were avoiding it. Just stumbled on the wiki while getting educated on the matter. Personally I'm neutral on the issue but I don't think torturing the animal just to have a fattier liver is justifiable. Whether or not the practice is torture, I still don't know.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 17:03:15 2015 No.6302755
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>people talk about how delicious foie gras is and how amazing it is, and how ducks love being force fed so its okay

>have tried foigra several times, all from high class restaraunts
>once even from a 3 michelain star restarunt in france on a trip

>every single time the foie gras, no matter how it was prepared, just tasted like a greasy lump of fat with a slight taste of liver

Makes me fucking laugh every time I hear some faggots talking about how amazing foie gras is. Force feeding them to get a huge fatty liver is a complete waste of time and money.

Probably started out by some poor ass french farmer who accidently ended up with a bunch of fatass ducks and needed a way to sell the fatty livers and not have people repulsed by how they looked and tasted so he told people it was what all the rich royalty love, and the french villagers fell for it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 17:04:57 2015 No.6302763 >>6302755 >fat is icky People like you are why shit like turkey bacon exists. Please stop breathing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 17:06:06 2015 No.6302765 >>6302755 >i don't like it >so everyone who does like it is an idiot

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 17:07:42 2015 No.6302772 >>6302763 I love eating the thin crispy gristle on the edge of my steak. But foie gra taste like livery old fryer fat. Get rekt frenchie.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 17:09:36 2015 No.6302780 >>6302772 >>implying I'm french Gristle isn't fat, but thanks for making it abundantly clear that you don't know shit about food.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 17:10:57 2015 No.6302785 >>6302780 fatty deposits are generally interlaced with connective tissue though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 17:13:58 2015 No.6302794 >>6302707 Dinner.

Anonymous Sun Mar 8 17:14:36 2015 No.6302799

I live in the western country. Yes, there are as much, if not greater, cruelties being done to animals and people, but they are not stupid enough to cam it and youtube it. They know that they'll get burn if it comes out, which is what the eastern is doing and getting. And they act like their shit doesn't stink but rather sweet?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 17:18:00 2015 No.6302812 >>6302799 At least these people are going to eat the food that's in front of them. Do you know how many animals get tortured, just to have their meat get wasted? It's awful.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 8 17:38:25 2015 No.6302892 File: 925 KB, 1274x1022, image limit.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6302755 Sorry anon, I don't understand pleb.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 9 05:43:20 2015 No.6304939 >>6302707 Jesus.

Anonymous Mon Mar 9 10:58:34 2015 No.6305383
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Superman wants all of us to think about what we are doing to others.

We are the most powerful beings on this planet. We are the supermen of earth, and should act in a way that would make Superman proud.

Don't cause unnecessary suffering, you are better than that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 9 11:01:53 2015 No.6305392 >>6292997 Fish are practically plants anyways.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 9 11:11:54 2015 No.6305427 >>6305383 We're also the stupidest beings on the planet, haven't you realized that? The world is our playroom, and we'll just break all our toys and cry to mommy after it's too late. Humans shit where they sleep, play and eat.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 9 11:14:00 2015 No.6305434 >>6305383 Superman is a consistent fag, regardless who is writing for him at the time.

Anonymous Mon Mar 9 11:37:02 2015 No.6305485

>>6302555
That's funny as hell. I especially like how her manner of speaking is EXACTLY the tone and timbre I would use to mock someone like that.
>>6302554
>the difference is that today kids in the west are indoctrinated to feel extreme amounts of compassion towards literally everything
This. It seems like everyone is being taught that feelings about anything have some kind of intrinsic value, and everyone is supposed to take that into account. This is borderline insane, because feelings don't make any sense, and are sometimes just plain crazy. A culture of people taking everybody else's crazy seriously just encourages more crazy. Which is why you have 20-somethings jabbering on about shit like "emotional validation" like it's something important, or even relevant. We've turned into a culture of enablers for people cultivating mental illness.
>>6302799
>Yes, there are as much, if not greater, cruelties being done to animals and people, but they are not stupid enough to cam it and youtube it.
That's because we have laws against it, so we never have to confront it. Out of sight, out of mind.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 9 21:39:06 2015 No.6307323 >>6302707 what are you saying?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 9 22:00:42 2015 No.6307424 You have to understand OP that Japan, their culture and their people are possibly the most malformed and grotesque on the planet. Literally worse than Nazis.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 9 22:08:40 2015 No.6307460 >>6305485 Are you me?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 9 22:15:33 2015 No.6307483 >>6295718 Why did you have to make this about whites. You have never met a black militant vegan transgendered otherkin have you? Lucky ass hole.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 9 22:20:04 2015 No.6307502 >>6307424 would you like some slaves to your double standards?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 9 22:20:47 2015 No.6307505 >>6302446 I was wondering that too. I know if you pour salt on frog legs they'll start moving.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 9 22:28:42 2015 No.6307522 >>6307502 >Nip apologist detected

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 9 22:36:33 2015 No.6307540 >>6307483 No, and I went to a school that was infamous for what is now called "SJW" types. Where have you met such a person? Internet doesn't count.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 9 22:45:33 2015 No.6307572 File: 2.89 MB, 3398x2479, dsc009781.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6289380 yeah its fucking delicious quit being such a pussy lobsters are boiled live, and no one gives a fuck, quit anthropomorphising animals that eat their own kind

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 9 22:50:53 2015 No.6307594 >>6307572 OP is probably upset that they giggle and laugh everytime it squirms, showing a lot of asians are sadists with no respect for life.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 9 22:56:55 2015 No.6307614 >>6302355 >>6302371 >>6302393 >Thais Nice ignorant racism. The people in this video are very clearly speaking Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 9 23:19:35 2015 No.6307684 File: 66 KB, 805x935, 1419202319843.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] this thread is youtube comments quality all angry about a fucking octopus

Anonymous Mon Mar 9 23:21:55 2015 No.6307692

>>6307572
The difference is that lobsters have the intelligence of insects, and have a very primitive nervous system.
Octopuses are intelligent, have very advanced systems and are aware of sensory input; the main issue people are taking is that they are clearly cooking it this way for fun (unevenly holding it down and burning it, crushing it with tongs) when it would taste much better if it were killed and prepared normally. They ordered an intelligent animal so that they could entertain themselves by killing it slowly and painfully, which is fucked up no matter how you look at it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 00:07:32 2015 No.6307837 File: 1.83 MB, 375x283, 1425234755668.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6289382

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 04:31:45 2015 No.6308325 >>6307572 >quit anthropomorphising animals that eat their own kind you're doing the opposite, which is worse. you're looking at a creature that appears alien and disregarding its capability for suffering and agony. see [>>6307692]

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 05:07:57 2015 No.6308371

>>6307594
Westerners were the same before the advent of factory farming. Now suddenly animal cruelty is bad once you've delegated the torture and slaughter of millions of animals to a bunch of brown illegals. I consider threads like this just ethnocentric hypocrisy nonsense.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 05:46:21 2015 No.6308414 Is there any underlying motivation for this behavior? Or is it just "muh feelings" cultural/religious dogma to cook it alive?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 06:16:10 2015 No.6308461 >>6289394 >having sympathy for the pulpous and sapo jew

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:13:40 2015 No.6309888 SLOPES HAVE NO SOULS

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:24:21 2015 No.6309923

>>6308414

Mainly it's about freshness. Sure, they could kill the octopus right before grilling it--that would be just as fresh--and no, I don't know why they don't do that. Probably because they don't care so it's seen as a needless extra step.

Anyway, it's common to find restaurants in Asia that are part of a market. You go to the market and buy your ingredients--if they're small, they will be live--then you take them to the cooks who pepare them however you like. Fish, shrimp, crabs, frogs, etc, are all likely to be sold live. Why live? Live animals keep themselves fresh. Dead animals require a freezer, and aren't as fresh.

Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:26:44 2015 No.6309937

>>6308414
I know that Chinese people do it because they believe that torturing an animal makes it taste better, a sort of living tenderising sort of deal. Obviously the hormones released from the stress the animal suffers does the opposite and makes the animal taste worse.

In Japan they value freshness over all else so what could be fresher than something you have just kill yourself.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:29:26 2015 No.6309943 >>6308371 A lot of meat eating conservitards like to talk about how they have a long history of respecting animals they kill for meat, I wonder if any of them remember why buffalo are rare.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:30:03 2015 No.6309945 >>6309937 >I know that Chinese people do it because they believe that torturing an animal makes it taste better, a sort of living tenderising sort of deal Yeah, that is a thing but even in China it's rare. And it's not applied to seafood.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:30:21 2015 No.6309948 >>6309943 Do you? They're not rare because they ate them, they were killing them off to deprive the natives of food.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 10 17:32:07 2015 No.6309951 >>6309948 yes I know that you fucking idiot. that's the point.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 11 10:16:23 2015 No.6311931 fucking subhuman shits

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 11 10:17:55 2015 No.6311933 >>6309943 >buffalo are rare kek

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 11 16:09:46 2015 No.6312765 >>6298558 /thread

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 11 16:11:36 2015 No.6312768 >>6302108 You're a fucking moron.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 11 16:17:16 2015 No.6312788 >>6308325 Learn to read you double nigger. This has nothing to do with how the creature looks.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 11 18:54:27 2015 No.6313243 >>6292997 >>6289465 >>6289412 fish don't even have a nervous system. you all suffer from chronic weak pussy syndrome

Anonymous Wed Mar 11 21:48:08 2015 No.6313679

>>6313243
Different anon, but just because they don't feel pain the way humans do does not mean they don't feel pain or trauma. Things need to know when something isn't right. Its fucking evolution. And everything has an urge to continue living aka "not die". Meaning that all the fish, octopus, frogs, and lobsters being mutilated while conscious in these videos are needlessly suffering before their demise. So fuck you, you empathy lacking piece of shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 11 21:54:02 2015 No.6313701 >>6298558 And what if you need it live to do the recipe properly?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 11 22:00:31 2015 No.6313729 >>6308325 >dehumanizing your food is bad too bad it's not human.

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