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Lets post pictures of medieval/ye olde peasant food. Starting off with a classic, gruel.

>> No.6135562

>>6135557
that's just watery oatmeal isn't it? i eat gruel all the time

>> No.6135582

Vegan begone

>> No.6135655

Anyone else find gruel/porridge to be a comfy food?

>> No.6135673
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6135673

These abominations. There's a reason no one eats them anymore. They taste like a radish-potato and ruin everything they touch.

>> No.6135679

>>6135673
people are always turning them into foams/paves/other stupid ways of sexing up a boring tuber

>> No.6135733
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To make Pies that the Birds may be alive in them, and flie out when it is cut up

"Make the coffin of a great pie or pastry, in the bottome thereof make a hole as big as your fist, or bigger if you will, let the sides of the coffin bee somewhat higher then ordinary pies, which done put it full of flower and bake it, and being baked, open the hole in the bottome, and take out the flower. Then having a pie of the bigness of the hole in the bottome of the coffin aforesaid, you shal put it into the coffin, withall put into the said coffin round about the aforesaid pie as many small live birds as the empty coffin will hold, besides the pie aforesaid. And this is to be done at such time as you send the pie to the table, and set before the guests: where uncovering or cutting up the lid of the great pie, all the birds will flie out, which is to delight and pleasure shew to the company. And because they shall not bee altogether mocked, you shall cut open the small pie, and in this sort you may make many others, the like you may do with a tart."

From Epulario, 1598

>> No.6135760

>>6135733
People were stupid back then. Just say "put the bird in the fucking coffin" and that could be the end of it. All that mealy mouthing meandering wishy washy flowery shit is useless.

>> No.6135771

>>6135760

You are now aware that in many cultures, being unnecessarily flowery in written communications is almost a necessity because direct and to the point sentences are construed as being childish, insulting, aggressive, or pick your random hypersensitive interpretation.

Also, "the past is a foreign country" or something.

Not saying to be like that now, but they probably weren't stupid.

>> No.6135780

>>6135760
>>6135733
>>6135771

Oh, and it looks like it's an Italian author, where that sort of attitude still prevails even in 2015.

>> No.6135797
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>> No.6136550

Here's a cookbook from 1658, go nuts with it.

http://www.vintagerecipes.net/books/compleat_cook/

>> No.6138083

>>6135673
>>6135679
fuck you guys

i eat dem shits raw they so good

>> No.6139848

>>6135733
>put into the said coffin round about the aforesaid pie as many small live birds as the empty coffin will hold
Yeah, I love putting lice-covered incontinent live birds, with feathers, into a pie that people are going to eat.

>> No.6139867

>>6139848
Newsflash: People in the middle ages were dumb.

>> No.6139881

>>6135760
>being a plebeian
>>6139867
>newsflash, you're dumber than them and have zero historical knowledge or perspective
>>6135733
>>6139848
Epulario is a collection of recipes, not a person. Secondly, the pie is obviously for decoration/amusement, notice how they mention banquet and guests, its a frivolity to impress/flatter

>> No.6139972

>>6135655
Yes

For the longest time I thought gruel in the morning cartoons was made of overcooked meat, vegetables, bread and milk but really it was the same stuff I was eating while watching it.

>> No.6140001

what do Americans learn about middle-age at school, or from popular culture, as this era ended with the discovery of the continent they live on?

>> No.6140019

>>6140001
That's when there were tyrannical kings and knights like Napoleon or the round table. And peasants everywhere.

>> No.6140025
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Spanish Cretonnée
Take veal or poultry cut in pieces, and cook the meat, and fry with lard or any shortening you can find. Take almonds, and strain, and make milk of them or use milk if you have it, and take parsley and marjoram, if you have it, and throw a good deal in. Strain with the greenery, and, when the milk is boiled, you thicken as with eggs. Beat together ginger and assorted spices, and infuse with verjuice and white wine. When your soup is ready and thickened, put it in a pot. When it is time to serve, take hard-boiled eggs, and shell them and split them down the middle. Then fry them with lard. When the broth is in your dish, if you want to put your eggs on it, or browned toasts, they will look lovely there.

Oh, those medieval hipsters and their almond milk.

>> No.6140567

>>6140001
Depends on the program. I went through the advanced placement program, which covered college curriculum and went into a fair amount of detail on the time period. Basically spent 3/4 of a year on it, with a 1/2 a semester on ancient history.

>> No.6140575

>>6140567
That was high school, anyway. Middle school and elementary school typically don't get into it a lot, but some subjects on it are introduced. One of my English courses covered quite a bit of the time period history too, for better understanding of the literature that we read.

>> No.6140957

>>6135562
whole grain oatmeal made with water and salt

>> No.6141071

>>6135673
Mashed turnips are fantastic. There are certain stew dishes which are just perfect to go with turnips and in fact don't taste as good with just potatoes.

>> No.6141167

>>6139848
I think it's actually two pies: One larger one, the "coffin," that is basically a large empty cavity to hold the birds, and then after the show of the birds flying out you serve the actual eating pie, or "the small pie" as the text calls it.

>> No.6141180

>>6141167
>eating a pie that birds have been shitting on

>> No.6142606
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6142606

>>6135557
Modern Peasant fare .

Buttered Noodles w/ Garlic Salt and Kraft Parm Powder.

I grew up on this.

>> No.6142614

>>6142606
amen.

>> No.6142651

>>6142606
yes

also...

Warm corn tortillas dipped in melted margarine.

>> No.6142657

>>6142651
>melted trans fats

why

>> No.6142663
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>>6135557
probably accurate

>> No.6142666

>>6142657
>because poor

>> No.6142667

>>6140001
the one single time we EVER did medieval stuff in school was in middle school. Every other type of history I've ever seen covered in school was either America since 1840, or State history.

Anyway, we learned that the middle ages was shit 99% of the time, that Charlemagne came close to re-establishing the roman empire but failed, that the church was a MAJOR political institution, that crop rotation was invented, and that feudalism was invented in this time period.

Also, the era ended when Martin Luther, Leonardo and Galileo all three magically flipped a switch that made the time period go from "medieval" to "renaissance and reformation". -- poof just like that.


...and that's all I ever learned about the middle ages from school. American education focuses on Civil War to Civil Rights.

>> No.6142673

>>6142667
I went to a fancy smart kid school so we talked a bit more about the middle ages but I'm not going to lie, I got more out of video games than my teachers.

>> No.6142752

>>6140567
>>6140575
Thanks. I was asking because to me this period seems quite abstract, even if my country sort of emerged during it so we were teached a lot at school and there are ancient tales and remains from this era.

>>6142667
Not bad.

From what I remember, in France, the meat was only for the lord and it was forbiden to hunt. I remember a teacher telling us that peasants had a single soup pot in which was continuously thown vegetables into. When times were hard, it was mostly water. There were no plates so the soup was served in holes dug in the tables and was eaten with bread, the main food. Then Henri IV came with poule au pot, and everybody was alowed to eat a chicken a week.

Now I'm reading wikipedia.

>> No.6142776

>>6135733
to all the idiots in this thread, nobody eats a 24 bird pie.

They are literally still alive and just the crust is baked. The MC/host cuts the pie open and they fly out.

christ you're plebs.

>> No.6142794

>>6142752
IIRC, peasants got left-over meat and stuff like some of the offal from feasts in particular, but also the hand-me-downs from lords if there was excess on other occasions too. Still a rarity overall. Things like gruel were for the harder times, short of famine or general lack of amenities for various reasons. Bread and beer and grains a plenty for the most part. The thing that sucked most is that if there was any difficulty in food production for a season, which could be brought about in many ways, the peasants took the brunt of it, and if the lords wanted to, they had very little problems with threatening worse conditions (getting kicked off the land). Indentured servitude and serfdom sucked all the time, because, even in the best of times, the shitty times were a dark and ever present storm cloud for many.

>> No.6142802

>>6142667
Weird. My middle schoool did ancient history, world history, then american history year by year, for all that's worth, and then did 1 year of world and 1 year of american in high school. freshman year required no history, and senior year replaced it with government and economics.

>> No.6142809

>>6142794
Also, monks and friers did some badass stuff with things the peasants wouldn't even touch. Ever hear of monkfish? They took beer, bread, and cheese to glory.

>> No.6142882

>>6142752
What the fuck? Which era? They used to do trenchers and the nobles would throw those out for the peasants, but fuck no were they never that poor. Pigs were common and could be fed scrap as well as left to forage for the winters, local game and birds were common, cattle was more for working so little was eaten, fish was very common as well. Peasants in the 12th commonly had gardens for local vegetables like carrots, cabbage, etc
Sorry, but your teacher is an idiot, they had recipes and cooking was an art, women took pride in it. Soup was served in bowls, you know, from stone or wood.
>>6142794
On occasion, but local meats and fish were very common, at least up until the 17th century when aristocracy started to get cruel.
>>6142673
No offense, but you probably didn't get much. Middle Ages were never as dark as you might believe
>>6142667
Nowadays it's
>islam did everything
History, at least Yuropoor history is dead here

http://youtu.be/tnHy3n4TWVk best series ever

>> No.6142919

>>6135733
Guy Fieri made it, must be good

http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/guy-fieri/bird-in-a-pie-recipe.html

>> No.6143103

>>6135655
>tfw I ate almost nothing but danuji and rice gruel during freshman year

It was comfy as fuck but really not recommended for long periods of time.

>> No.6143191

>>6141071
This. Mashed turnip is almost mashed potato tier. And you can combine it with carrots.

>>6135673
No one eats them because chips made them sorta unpopular. They are still a great food item.

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>>6135733
>FOUR AND TWENTY

i see what they did back then

>> No.6143231
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6143231

Norway started its industrial revolution around 1910-30. There was still areas experiencing industrialization after World War 2.
On the top of that, Norways nobility died back in 1300, a combination of Black Death, merging with Denmark, and lonely sad nobles.
The major effect of this, is that we never got to experience any form of high medieval. Outside of tradeports like Bergen, who was huge solely for the reason its far down to the next trade port, if you sailed from or to Russia.
The end result is that potatos and plain meals are very common for Norwegian culunary tradition. And we don't have a long history of spices.
The roots this set, was so deep our national dish is Sheep in Cabbage, and boiled potato with dried meat is still a very common dinner meal.
Then again, more primitive meals is nice. Oh, and we became a oil kingdom back in the start of the 80s. Meal traditions are weird now. But good.

>>6142752
>I remember a teacher telling us that peasants had a single soup pot in which was continuously thown vegetables into.
For the peasant slaves, sure. That seems fairly correct.
There is a reason there is Christmas traditions on going overboard and eating meat for 2-3 weeks straight.

>There were no plates
look this nigger. Plates was invented alongside pottery when civilization was born. Of course there was plates.
You would not want table holes, for the simple reason it causes disease due being hard to clean.

>> No.6143752

>>6142882
It was dependent on the region, and time period, of course. Don't sperg so hard. Like I said, beer, bread, and grain were plentiful for the most part. Meat generally was a rarity. Not that they never had it, but it wasn't an everyday thing they counted on unless a noble. You seem to think I said something along the lines of they regularly ate dirt or something. I simply didn't mention garden veg, that doesn't mean they never had any. uncrumple your panties.

>> No.6143767

>>6142663
thats feudal lord food breh