/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.6111873]

Adding oil to foods just adds unnecessary calories. Calling certain oils as "healthy" is all a marketing scam. Whether it's olive oil, coconut, or canola (I have no idea how this highly refined oil gets labeled as "healthy") you definitely don't need to add them to a healthy diet.

Oils are just pure fat, due to being refined from oil rich whole foods, most of the nutrients are not extracted, and as such you're left with something that's pretty much 100% pure fat. Our bodies actually have a tiny requirement for fats, one that is easily fulfilled by eating a plant and grain based diet. If you add meat to the equation you'll definitely go over the required necessary amount.

Don't be brainwashed by Jaime Oliveoil and think that you need to add it to your cooking. Oil is a scam and you should eliminate it from your diet.

[Anonymous No.6111878]

You understand that dietary fat is something our body utilizes right?

[Anonymous No.6111881]

Where are your sources?

[Anonymous No.6111896]

>>6111873
>Adding oil to foods just adds unnecessary calories.
But I need calories and sometimes I'm eating food that needs more fat.

>Oils are just pure fat
Well yeah, people bred plants for their oils. Oil is good for your skin, people use it after using soap which dries your skin out. Adding oil to your salad will let you absorb more vitamins and minerals, because some are more soluble in oil.

>Our bodies actually have a tiny requirement for fats
You could eat hardtack, drink water, and take vitamins without dying but you probably won't do that.

>Oil is a scam and you should eliminate it from your diet.
You're a scam and I'm going to eliminate you from my diet.

[Anonymous No.6111910]

>>6111873
"Hurrrrr I love sucking cocks"

-OP

[Anonymous No.6111914]

>>6111878
Which you get from eating plants. Fish oils or "healthy" oils to help with heart disease etc. are all just a marketing ploy to make you, the uneducated consumer, buy more of them. So little oil is needed for a healthy diet that it can all be attained from just eating a lot of vegetables.

>>6111881
Just google "no oil diet" and you'll get a million sources.

>>6111896
>But I need calories and sometimes I'm eating food that needs more fat.
What? When does a food need more fat in it?
>Adding oil to your salad will let you absorb more vitamins and minerals, because some are more soluble in oil.
So will adding nuts, olives or avocados. Plus they have a lot more nutrients already in them as opposed to refined oils which provide no value outside of fat. But even that is unnecessary as the amount of oil needed is miniscule.

[Anonymous No.6111918]

Copypasta much? b8.

[Anonymous No.6111922]

>implying I give even one percent as much of a damn about health as I do about taste
Very nearly everything I cook uses butter in some way, I eat meat with every single meal, I have some kind of chocolate after every meal. Eventually, something's going to kill me, whether it's today, tomorrow, one year in the future, or 60 years from now. When it happens, either there's no God and I don't have to worry about it, or there is a God and I'm going to Hell no matter what, so I might as well focus on the taste of food. And while taste is subjective, the fact is that things cooked with oil often do taste good, at least to me. I fry my hot wings in a combination of bacon grease and peanut oil, thank you very much.

[Anonymous No.6111925]

>>6111922
No disagreeing with you that oil does make foods taste good. However if you switched to a plant based diet, with some healthy meats if you preferred to keep it as such, and you stopped using oil, you would not be disappointed in the flavor you can create with healthy ingredients. It takes a few weeks to fully adjust, as with any dietary adjustment but eventually you don't miss it at all.

[Anonymous No.6111927]

>>6111914

>So little oil is needed for a healthy diet that it can all be attained from just eating a lot of vegetables.

I guess if you mean eating shitloads of avocado

anyway you sound like me in high school when I had an eating disorder, except more retarded because I didn't think it was a marketing scam or anything I was just neurotic and didn't want more calories in anything

[Anonymous No.6111934]

you sound like one of the people who think "healthy" means "low in calories"

yes you absolutely can make food that is surprisingly low in calories but still extremely tasty, in that sense I absolutely agree because I am a dancer and have to maintain a certain weight but don't want to be miserable

however that doesn't mean fat is bad for you

[Anonymous No.6111937]

>>6111873
>ALL OIL IS BAD DON"T EAT ANY

Do you even macro's bro?

[Anonymous No.6111940]

>>6111873
how the fuck am I supposed to deep fry or make mayo without oil?

[Anonymous No.6111941]

no wonder you're so stupid, you're brain's not getting its necessary fats and oils

[Anonymous No.6111948]

>>6111914
>What? When does a food need more fat in it?
When I make lean homemade bread.

>So will adding nuts, olives or avocados.
I eat them too.

The problem is that you think of food as each individual item instead of thinking about everything you eat together.

[Anonymous No.6111952]

>>6111914
>citing google as a source
trashman.jpg

[Anonymous No.6111953]

>>6111873
>you're left with something that's pretty much 100% pure fat.
>he doesn't know oil isn't already just pure fat

[Anonymous No.6111957]

>>6111925

holy hell this evangelizing shill

>le plant based diet
what are you some grass eater?

[Anonymous No.6111959]

>>6111927
See, you've been brainwashed into believing that you need a lot of oil in a healthy diet but this is not the case. We only need about 2-5% of our calories to be fat and that is easily derived from eating less than a handful of nuts.

>>6111934
Low calories is part of the equation. Look at the obesity rates. You don't think that people in general should consider lower calorie diets?

>>6111937
Yeah, that's a buzz word you're using there.

>>6111940
Switch to steaming instead of frying. Make mayo alternatives with tofu or nuts.

>>6111948
>The problem is that you think of food as each individual item instead of thinking about everything you eat together.
How so?

[Anonymous No.6111961]

>>6111914
Google is not a source faggot. You can't even justify the reasoning behind your half-assed conclusion.

I don't think anybody here legitimately refers to Jamie Oliver as a reliable cooking mentor.

Go hang yourself faggot.

[Anonymous No.6111964]

>>6111952
>>6111961
Google leads you to legit sources. Maybe if you put those greasy fingers of yours onto your keyboards and searched for no oil diets you'd find what you're looking for.

[Anonymous No.6111965]

>>6111961
i do lol

[Anonymous No.6111967]

>>6111959
>steaming instead of deepfrying
>make mayo with tofu

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH 10/10 would lol again. Please tell me more about how oil is bad.

[Anonymous No.6111974]

>>6111967
>this male specimen consumes a large amount of refined oils in his diet

[Anonymous No.6111980]

>>6111959
>How so?
Because you think oil is completely devoid of nutrition without thinking that you can mix oil with herbs, garlic, onions, spices, etc.

Because you think that saying "eat nuts and avocado instead" is a completely viable alternative for everybody.

Because you think everybody has the resources available to have a constant supply of the best foods.

Because you think that nothing bad will ever happen to the food supply and that eliminating large portions of food from our food supply is a good thing.

Because you think that all land everywhere is able to grow the crop you think is healthiest.

Because you think you've figured out all of human evolution and our food supply and biological needs and environmental impacts and long-term food supply needs and risks.

Because you think that oils have no nutrition, while not realizing that having fat as a dietary need and having fat as an available food source means it's nutritious.

[Anonymous No.6111984]

>>6111974

http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/expert-answers/food-and-nutrition/faq-20058439
>The main type of fat found in all kinds of olive oil is monounsaturated fatty acids (MUFAs). MUFAs are actually considered a healthy dietary fat. If your diet replaces saturated and trans fats with unsaturated fats such as MUFAs and polyunsaturated fats (PUFAs), you may gain certain health benefits.

>MUFAs and PUFAs may help lower your risk of heart disease by improving related risk factors. For instance, MUFAs have been found to lower your total cholesterol and low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels. MUFAs may also help normalize blood clotting. And some research shows that MUFAs may also benefit insulin levels and blood sugar control, which can be especially helpful if you have type 2 diabetes.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/458009-is-sunflower-oil-healthy/
Kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.6111985]

>>6111980
hahahahahahahhahahahahahha

lovvvvvvvvvve it

[Anonymous No.6111988]

>>6111959
>See, you've been brainwashed into believing that you need a lot of oil in a healthy diet but this is not the case. We only need about 2-5% of our calories to be fat and that is easily derived from eating less than a handful of nuts.


actually 20% of cal's should be fats. Also why would anyone brainwash us into eating oil? The wealthy olive oil barrons who secretly rule the media? Please explain more, I'd love to see how batshit crazy you can get.

>>6111964

>Google leads you to legit sources. Maybe if you put those greasy fingers of yours onto your keyboards and searched for no oil diets you'd find what you're looking for.
>starts thread telling you what to eat. when asked for sorce - "find it yourself"

THIS JUST IN ALL POTATO'S ARE BAD FOR YOU (what are my sources ummmm just google it yourself)

[Anonymous No.6111990]

>We only need about 2-5% of our calories to be fat

citation needed


>>6111959

>Low calories is part of the equation. Look at the obesity rates. You don't think that people in general should consider lower calorie diets?

Of course fat people should. That doesn't mean that foods that are calorie dense are inherently unhealthy. They are unideal for raging fatasses to consume in excess (which is how they typically consume everything), but that's neither here nor there.

[Anonymous No.6111993]

>>6111988
>The wealthy olive oil barrons who secretly rule the media?

[Anonymous No.6111999]

>>6111974
that dude consumes a large amount of everything in his diet. I think cutting out carbs and going lean keto would do him good too.

[Anonymous No.6112003]

>>6111988
>potatoes are bad for you
I've seen people post that before. Maybe they are confusing potato chips and fries with potatoes themselves.

[Anonymous No.6112005]

>>6111873
Adding carbs to foods just adds unnecessary calories. Calling certain carbs as "healthy" is all a marketing scam. Whether it's potatos, rice, or bread (I have no idea how this highly refined carbs gets labeled as "healthy") you definitely don't need to add them to a healthy diet.

Carbs are just pure calories, due to being refined from oil rich whole foods, most of the nutrients are not extracted, and as such you're left with something that's pretty much 100% pure carbs. Our bodies actually have a tiny requirement for carbs, one that is easily fulfilled by eating a plant and grain based diet. If you add bread to the equation you'll definitely go over the required necessary amount.

Don't be brainwashed by Jaime Potato and think that you need to add it to your cooking. Oil is a scam and you should eliminate it from your diet

[Anonymous No.6112010]

>>6111993
its true dude, just ask op, we are being brain washed and its all a scam.

[Anonymous No.6112015]

>>6112010
>thousands of years ago people were brainwashed into thinking they should breed plants for oil and then find uses for that oil
how do we stop it

[Anonymous No.6112016]

>>6111980
As I've written above, you are brainwashed by people telling you that you need fat, and large amounts of it in your diet. When the truth is that you need so little you don't ever have to buy a bottle of oil or a stick of butter for the rest of your life. You can keep adding herbs and spices to your foods, oil is not necessary for them. I've never heard of such extreme conditions as to not allow you to purchase nuts (especially for people on 4chan). You don't have to eat organic or expensive, you'd probably eat cheaper by limiting the amount of greasy food you eat. Land is currently being taken up by crops used to produce oils when instead they could be used to grow vegetables (in some cases they wouldn't but my point still stands). I didn't figure this out, others did, folks with education and experience in the nutritional field. And in your last point, are you saying that people are consuming so few calories that they need to supplement their diet by eating pure fat? I find that very hard to believe.

>>6111984
Healthy compared to the unhealthy ones. Of course it's better if you switch from eating lard to eating olive oil. But neither is necessary for your diet.

>>6111988
Those wealthy oil barons are already adding vegetable oils to your olive oils.

>>6111990
As long as it's a whole food that also gives you additional nutrients I agree, however oils just add fat and calories.

[Anonymous No.6112018]

>>6112005
A certain amount of carbs is necessary for a balanced diet. Just like a certain amount of fat. Except the amount of fat can be an extremely low amount while you need to maintain a certain amount of carbs or your body starts eating itself (good for fat people, not so good for people who don't want to lose their muscles).

[Anonymous No.6112026]

>>6112016
>people evolve and domesticate animals and crops and have different animals and crops for different purposes

>wants to go backwards to give everyone their daily lettuce and water rations because it's healthier

[Anonymous No.6112027]

>>6112005


Adding Aspergers to the DSM just adds unnecessary made up illnesses. Calling certain mental disorders "Aspergers" is all a marketing scam. Whether it's Autism, homosexuality, or schizophrenia (I have no idea how this highly refined homosexuality gets labeled as "born that way") you definitely don't need to add them to DSM.

Aspergers are just pure degenerates, due to being selfish cunts devoid of empathy, and as such you're left with something that's pretty much 100% pure psychopath. Our bodies actually have a tiny requirement for mercury, one that is easily fulfilled by getting vaccinated and eating fish. If you add lobster and shrimp to the equation you'll definitely go over the required necessary amount.

Don't be brainwashed by Barack Obama and think that you need to add him to your Facebook. Facebook is a scam and you should eliminate it from your life.

[Anonymous No.6112030]

>>6112027
Have you ever even had an ass burger?

[Anonymous No.6112036]

>>6112030

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uWVaTX_OzBs

[Anonymous No.6112046]

>>6112027
>unnecessary made up illnesses
you literally described the entirety of the DSM and psychiatry in general

[Anonymous No.6112060]

Op has never been an athlete I guess. Fat is required for testosterone production among other things you skinnyfat faggot

[Anonymous No.6112068]

>>6112016
>Those wealthy oil barons are already adding vegetable oils to your olive oils.
BAHAHAHA he actually thinks there are olive oil barrons!

[Anonymous No.6112074]

>>6111873
>>6111873
itt some dude that took "don't eat too much fat" advice too far and then a bunch of people teasing him.

[Anonymous No.6112075]

>>6112060
I was an e-sports athlete, how come I've never heard about this?

[Anonymous No.6112077]

>>6112046

yeah some people just want to be batshit insane, it clearly isn't some sort of psychiatric issue, and none of psychiatric issues have been clearly found to be legitimate based on physiological indicators

ok

[Anonymous No.6112078]

>>6111873
Olive oil is good for you it has oxidants

[Anonymous No.6112088]

>>6112016
>I've never heard of such extreme conditions as to not allow you to purchase nuts
Ever heard of allergies, dumbfuck? Some people can't eat nuts. Once more you seem to believe what is true for you also applies to the whole world.

[Anonymous No.6112108]

>>6112078
wtf is oxidants anyway? have you ever seen a oxidants? calling bullshit

[Anonymous No.6112111]

>>6112108
>doesn't know about oxidants

[Anonymous No.6112117]

>>6111873
Then how do you explain the quite good health of mediterranean folks (yeah the old, fat ones)? Good olive oil is sth like a national dish in italy, spain greece etc. They even take shoots of olive oil. Dudes are perfectly healthy!

[Anonymous No.6112119]

>>6112111
By now i wonder if he even knows the earth is round...

[Anonymous No.6112120]

>>6112119
Lel I know. What a pleb

[Anonymous No.6112121]

>>6112108
Have you ever seen a oxidants! Lmao

[Anonymous No.6112134]

>polyunsaturated oil is safe
>eating saturated fat will give you a heart attack

[Anonymous No.6113263]

God I hate your way of thinking, OP. With a single sweep of your palm you're disregarding thousands of years of culinary creation. Loving food should be about loving all kinds of foods, not restricting yourself to only veggies, nuts, and grains. I love vegan dishes, I make vegan dishes, I enjoy a healthy diet, but I love dishes that use oil in many varying ways and amounts because I love cooking, all kinds of cooking.

Variety is the spice of life, man. You strike me as someone who wouldn't enjoy a good film because it didn't agree with you on some irrelevant political issue. Grow up.

[Anonymous No.6113276]

correct. If I want flavor I add salt. salt doesn't affect healthy people.

[Twonk No.6113287]

OP why are you on a cooking board if you seem to reject a good deal of cooking forms, not to mention a great deal of food? Why don't you go to the steaming & veggies board?

[Anonymous No.6113295]

>>6111873
>britbongs still going apeshit over olive oil

It's amazing, you guys are so close to spain and france, and you still can't handle the idea of oils that aren't from pigs and cows

[Anonymous No.6113299]

>>6112077
Found the psych student.

[Anonymous No.6113303]

>>6113263
>Loving food
The hell with loving food all that matters at times is eating healthy.

[Anonymous No.6113315]

>>6113303
Well most actual food, as in whole ingredients, are healthy. So it's easy (at least it is for me) to love food and still eat healthy. Certain food making techniques are unhealthy but of course those should be enjoyed in moderation.

I just can't imagine OP even likes food. What approach to food can bring joy if it mostly shows itself as suppression? I love trying new things, veggies, fruits, meats, new anything, and I can't imagine a love of food worth anything if it's not experimental and broad.

I think OP and people like OP get more enjoyment (if even that) from talking about the foods they don't eat than the foods they do it, the few and far foods between.

[Anonymous No.6113331]

>>6113299

lol no I'd never major in psych, I've just known enough crazy people and have read enough literature on psychiatric conditions to know that they're not fake. That is not to say that many people do not claim to have issues that they don't actually have, as that clearly is the case.

[Anonymous No.6113342]

I only use oil to cook. Olive and vegetable oil are better four making generally everything. Make some steak or pork wit butter and tell me if it taste the same

[Anonymous No.6113360]

>>6113287
I think your post and a few others clearly show how /ck/ doesn't have competent cooks. How many threads are about fucking ramen or some other bullshit. When someone brings up a different view of cooking, one that could potentially be a healthier option, it's dismissed because it doesn't allow for deep frying. Plenty of people the world over don't fry their food and somehow still live a happy life.

I wonder what proportion of /ck/ users are obese.

[Anonymous No.6113364]

>>6113360

we have competent cooks, they're just dispersed among a sea of shitposting retards

I'm a sous chef at a fine dining restaurant and I'm not fat. I only come here typically to answer peoples questions, but this board has been shit for over a year.

[Anonymous No.6113365]

>>6113315
Think of it differently. You know those people who only enjoy a certain cuisine? We all know folks like that. They might be surrounded by restaurants and food options from all over the world but they always eat something that's more "familiar" to them. How is this different? Except that this diet implies a healthy aspect which I guess doesn't go over too well on /ck/.

[Anonymous No.6113367]

>>6111873
Yes OP I agree because fat makes you fat.
You should eat a diet that is low in fat and high in fruits, vegetables and healthy whole grains.

[Anonymous No.6113368]

>>6113360
>not having an irrational phobia of an entire macronutrient class means you're joey from the 90s nostalgia thread

This is what orthorexics ACTUALLY believe

[Anonymous No.6113392]

Sounds like OP is referring to a Caldwell Esselstyn style low fat plant-based diet

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1520-037X.2001.00538.x/pdf

He's one of the doctors who influenced President Clinton's diet after his surgery and helped to treat his heart disease. He was also in the documentary Forks Over Knives. Samuel L. Jackson recently started following that kind of diet too

http://www.mnn.com/lifestyle/arts-culture/blogs/samuel-l-jackson-inspired-to-go-vegan-by-dr-caldwell-esselstyn

While most health authorities tend to agree with his message and he has had convincing success in treating patients with that diet, it may be unrealistic to expect most people to change their diets so dramatically, especially Americans, and especially when most peoples' basic understanding of food and nutrition is pretty poor. Everybody has their own opinion on what's healthy and what isn't and it's based on what that individual person personally enjoys eating. Progress can't be made this way

[Anonymous No.6113393]

>>6113365
I would be equally dismissive of that person. It's just such a sign of an uninteresting person. I don't want to stereotype but my experience with unadventurous eaters is that they're equally unadventurous intellectually with no real exposure to the arts.

And I've emphasized I myself eat healthy and I think that should be everyone's goal but not to such an extent it precludes a lot of life experiences, like OP is shilling for.

[Anonymous No.6113396]

>>6113393
>unadventurous intellectually with no real exposure to the arts
Let me go look for a fedora to tip

[Anonymous No.6113398]

>>6113360
Oil is used for many things aside from deep frying. I cook every day and I'm slender. My point is that OP's attitude against oil is on the equally retarded opposite side of the scale of MUH DEEP FRYIN'. Neither are good attitudes and both are ignoring a lot of cooking and food styles.

[Anonymous No.6113414]

>>6113396
So true. Le novels and le films should come with complimentary free fedoras, as should le dishes at le restaurants (that are not mcdonalds), as should any le college le degree.

*fedora tip*

[Anonymous No.6113438]

>>6113398
You could also look at it that we currently use too much oil in general and the same dishes could be reproduced without using any oil. Sure you won't get certain textures but a lot of dishes that are stir fried or even pan fried could be cooked the same way but with some water instead of oil. When was the last time you ate a steamed fish for example? There's plenty of great ways to cook fish without adding any oil but most fish is eaten either deep fried or pan fried.

[Anonymous No.6113458]

>>6113438
I agree. But the OP's intention is the elimination of oil.

[Anonymous No.6113633]

How do you keep foods from sticking to the pan OP?

[Anonymous No.6113659]

fat and proteine is fine bro

carbs are the devil

[Anonymous No.6113662]

>>6111873
OP confirmed for tubby bastard.
Fat is fine in moderation.

[Anonymous No.6113688]

>>6111993
>olive oil barons

[Anonymous No.6113729]

>>6113633
water, stock

[Anonymous No.6113754]

>>6111914
>Just a marketing ploy
Literally fucking everything is a marketing ploy, from sports equipment to food and car washes and even civic services it's up to you to judge whether or not you want to buy that shit or pay for that service based on what it does for you rather than basing everything on some kind of paranoia or jealousy or whatever you've got going on there.

[Anonymous No.6113763]

>>6111964
You're not going to convince people of anything by commanding them to go find out why you're right.