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SO after seeing the 50 year Glenfiddich going for $30,000, I have a question /ck/:

I realize a lot of people on here are not exactly in the position to have tasted much premier tier wines or scotches, but what were the higher end stuff you've tried?

Personally, the most priciest things I've ever tried were 23 year old Pappy, Orphan Barrel's Old Blowhard, and 20 year old Laphroaig.

And while I loved the fresh vanilla wafer aroma of Blowhard, it's taste was a letdown in comparison.
The pappy was almost like candied bourbon both in nose and taste, but really nothing more than concentrated bourbon whisky that didn't burn as much. Really too much fucking hype.
And the 20 year old Laphroiag aged so well, subtlety threw the peat taste into the trunk of the car and all you taste are the muffled bumps and knocks it makes. (which I personally didn't like since I do like peat)

What's your experience like and how would you describe them?

>> No.5835598

At a NYE party, I had a 2000 dollar champagne. That was the extent of it. It was supposed to be for this couple, but everyone in those condos were up on top of the roof watching the fireworks, so everyone was sharing.

It was just amazing. It was light and sweet. I felt like I was floating. It kind of had a rose type of flavor.

>I will never have that champagne again

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>$30,000

fucking why. what kind of absolute cocksockets buy these.

>> No.5835615

>>5835612
people with money.

>> No.5835621

30 year old Balvenie at a tasting. Very good, but incredibly subtle. I wouldn't buy it for the money.

>> No.5835625

>>5835612
>implying a cabinet full of shit like this wouldn't be my uh probably like fifth or sixth purchase if I won the lottery

>> No.5835631

>>5835612

>fucking why. what kind of absolute cocksockets buy these.

Most people dont even drink that shit.

Its just like people with huge wine cellars in their basements. Its an investment. They buy tons of expensive booze in the hopes that in a few years or decades they can flip it and make a huge profit.

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5835635

>mfw my dad's cellar is full of 30+ year old scotch that nobody wants to drink because it's so disgusting. I think the earliest bottles are from the 70s

>> No.5835641

It's mostly an investment. Personally I actually prefer the stronger flavours 10 to 16 year old Scotch to the really posh stuff that's much more refined. Some of that stuff goes down like water.

>> No.5835655

>>5835612
u poor?

>> No.5835709

>>5835635
>earliest bottles are from the 70s
while I won't doubt he doesn't have some good stuff and legit high year scotches, it's really the length of time it spent aging in the barrel rather than in the bottle that marks up the price and character.
Sort of different than wine, which can age and change in bottle.

>> No.5835714

>>5835709
There's a lot of 10 and 12 year old whiskey, (it says 12 years on the label, so it's possible that there's some stuff from the 60s. Anyway, we opened one a couple of years ago and i found it completely unpalatable. Nobody in my family drinks strong liquor.

>> No.5835749

>>5835612
There are many mulyi-millionaires in the world

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>>5835591
We currently stock Macallan 1951 at my bar, Going for around $14 000 at the moment, I believe, we sell it for $700 a nip.

Incredibly complex, and not something I appreciate fully, I'd like to try it after 10 years of hardcore whisky drinking and then come back to it,

>> No.5835921

>>5835591
The bar I work at currently stocks the Glenfiddich & Balvenie 30yo, selling at SG$1250++ & SG$1950++ a bottle respectively, and SG$100++ & SG$132++ a measure. We mainly sell it to Japanese businessmen and millionaires attempting to impress the hookers they brought along. The Glenfiddich isn't worth anywhere near that price from the taste, but the Balvenie is actually pretty damn good.

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5835946

As you can infer from previous posts, 40-50 yo bottles are much more of a status symbol than they are a fine whisky.

I'm not going to comment on wine because I have very little appreciation for it, but for spirits like whisky, cognac or even rum, I've had bottles from the low and the high end. Priciest was a bottle of 25yo Bowmore some years ago, which retails for close to 400 dollars.

It's not the best tasting scotch by any stretch of the imagination. It's a great one, and with complexity that can leave you pondering, but in terms of depth and charm, I've had bottles that sell for 10 times less which match or surpass it.

The absolute best tasting whisky I've ever had was a limited edition, about 15 years of age. And it was closer to 100$. But again, not something most people will be able to get their hands on easily. So I'd take off points for that alone. Point is, price has no real correlation to quality / complexity. Many brands even mark up their best bottles on their name alone.

I always recommend spending less on less well-known stuff, you'll end up making some fascinating discoveries that a 40-50k bottle could never hope to match. True, there are rough patches here and there, but that's all part of the journey that is whisky.

>> No.5836275

Most expensive bottle I've bought is Remy XO for $200...I love alcohol, but I'd rather have quantity over quality like that...Though I do really want to buy the higher end Grand Marnier bottles.

>> No.5836285

>>5835591
Try hard fgt pls go

>> No.5836292

>>5835598
>I was in a euthoria of bliss felt by drinking alcohol I couldn't afford and felt compelled to write about it to seem kla$$y

>> No.5836328
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I've tasted a good bit of high end stuff at various whiskey events and such.

Glen Grant 1958
Glenlivet 1964 cellar edition
The John Walker
Johnnie Walker King George V
Pappy Van Winkle 23
Dalmore constellation 1986, 84, and 79(I think?)
Glenmorangie the quarter century
Port Ellen 34 year
Haikushu 25 year
Royal Salute 62 year

The one thing I've learned... If it sounds too old, it probably tastes too old. Though King George V became and still is one of my favorites.

>> No.5836350

Johnnie walker blue label is the most expensive I've ever tried and I 5 hight it was pretty damn hood. NOT $220/750ml good, but definitely tasty. I also tried some Casa Dragones tequila that was about that much. And that shit tasted like water with white pepper in it. Shit was LEGIT

>> No.5836413

In my experience, you start seeing diminishing returns on the price of the spirit (mainly whsik(e)ys and brandies) once you get past 18-20 years of aging. They do continue to improve with additional barrel aging, but that improvement is basically linear after that, whereas the cost increases exponentially.

>> No.5836551

>>5836292
I liked it before I went home and decided to google it. Don't be a faggot.

>> No.5836573
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5836573

>tfw I live in rural texas
>tfw I am head over heels in love with single malts, specifically the islays
>tfw absolutely no scotch culture in sight
>tfw liquor stores only stock the bare minimum
>tfw only muh macallan, muh blends, and muh glens
>tfw I will probably never taste an expensive old cask
>tfw Lagavulin 16 is the oldest, most expensive thing I've had

Hopefully my fiancé and I can go on a couple of vacations where some premo whisky is available

>> No.5836598

>>5836573
I'm pretty sure you can have alcohol delivered by mail within the US, though not from out of the country.

>> No.5836605

>>5836573

nope.. only wine

>> No.5836611

>>5835591
I think the most expensive I've drunk is Johnny Walker Blue which a wealthy friend paid for and is $200 a bottle.

I was really impressed with not only the complex flavours in the taste, but even the drunk feeling was better. More mellow and euphoric. Although that could be placebo.

Mind you I'm an alcoholic and all I could think about was how much I could drink of it without being rude, since he clearly was going to drink one small glass and then put it back in his dirnks cabinet for like forever.

>> No.5836615

>>5836611
I've generally heard that JW blue is a slightly better version of the black label, which is not expensive stuff.

I don't see the point of spending tons of money on a blend, anyway.

>> No.5836799

>>5836615
It's pretty different than the black actually. It's closer to their platinum 18 than anything.

Also, don't discount blends! This whiskey master guy I know once described it as "a single malt can be like a chocolate chip, or like the flour, or like the butter, but a good blender can take all of that and make something better than the sum of its parts, a chocolate chip cookie."

Besides, even single Malts are blended from a stock of wildly different barrels (though all still from that "single malt"). Anyone who's tried multiple "single barrel" bottlings from different barrels (like Eagle Rare or Blanton's) can see how wide a range there is.

>> No.5836818

Johnny Walker blue.

Its overrated

>> No.5836820

>>5836598
>>5836605
Pretty sure the law varies by state. My state, MO, only allows mail-order of wine, but some states allow anything to be mail-ordered. Go on Bevmo or something and put in your zip code, that'll tell you what your options are.

Kinda doubt it's legal to mail-order liquor in TX, though, since like half of its counties are dry.

>> No.5836821

>>5836799
I suppose that when I say "blend" I'm thinking of the typical whatever that's made with a good portion of non-malt grain whiskey, which I don't want. I'm aware that higher quality blends exist, though.

>> No.5836828

>>5836573
Sell your cattle and one of your guns and buy internet.

http://www.masterofmalt.com/

It could be worse. I'm an Absinthe fan in Finland.

>> No.5836833

>>5835591
I have two forty year old whiskeys at my place. One is an unidentified scotch that has a date in the 1970s, but the Crown Royal I have has a very crisp and wonderful taste to it. I would have never thought of opening it myself, but my douchebag uncle decided to bend the rules and I figured I might as well try it.

>> No.5836841

>>5836833

40yo aged or 40yo since it was bottled?

>> No.5836849

>>5836841
Since it was bottled, I assume. The date on the CR is 1973, though I think the other one was aged six years.

>> No.5836853

>>5835591
20yo macallan. meh.
i've had 5yo bottles of rum that did more for me

>> No.5836876

>>5836573

but you've got as much kentucky bourbon as you can handle.

>> No.5836929

Had two shots of pappy 15 year. Pretty amazing stuff.

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I've got 2. This relatively no-name 20yo bottle at my local liquor store. One of my favorite rums, exceptionally smooth and flavorful. The other is a bottle of 15yo Jameson that a friend gave us for a wedding present. Fucking disgusting. I had one glass and it's sat on my shelf since.

>> No.5837981

>got to taste some $500 bottle of whiskey at a tasting event
>guy in charge gets mad when he overhears me say it tastes like stale old wood and that the $40 bottle of whiskey I have at home tasted better

>> No.5837988

>>5837981
kek

Some anon mentioned it earlier, but diminishing returns.

>> No.5838373

>>5836828
>http://www.masterofmalt.com

lol it would be cheaper to gas up and drive to dallas for a bottle

>> No.5838375

>>5836876

implying American whiskies even compare to scotch

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>whiskey

>> No.5838403

I think... the best tasting scotch I've ever had... was 16 year old Lagavulin. I just... I can't beat it.

It's not expensive, it's not... old old old.

But it's... it hits you ad it's intense!

>> No.5838437

Like a few people, the oldest thing down my throat has been Lagavulin 16.

I can't typically bear to buy anything older than 12 years because of the exponential price increase. I'm alright with $40-50 every few weeks for a decent younger whisky, but beyond that the Jew in me is overpowering.

>> No.5838452

>>5838403
Can you not type like a fucking spastic?

>> No.5838477

>>5838452
no... ..

>> No.5838502

In my wine tasting class we had a 30 year old Bordeaux before. That was pretty cool.

>> No.5838510

>>5835631
No. Someone who spends that much on a bottle isn't worried about making their money back on it. It either gets added to the collection, is a gift, or is for special occasions.

>> No.5838519

>>5836328
How was The John Walker? Genuinely curious

>> No.5838579

>>5838375
This. It's not even close, a good malt is vastly better than the best America has to offer.

>> No.5838584

>>5837981
>went to taste some 100+ day dry aged grass fed beef
>chef got mad when I said it didn't taste as good as a mcdonalds buck double.

Do you see?

>> No.5838586

>>5838584
Bad comparison. A $15 blend compared to a $500 single malt is closer.

>> No.5838587

>>5838519
Honey, sweet fruit, slightly floral, little bit of citrus. Quite similar to KGV, but incredibly more expensive. Very beautiful presentation though

>> No.5838590

>>5835591
I've tried a few expensive whiskies. George T Stagg, Pappy 23, Balvenie Tun 1401, Glenfarclas 40, Port Askaig 25 and a few others. The Port Askaig was pretty great, but it's a lot more subtle than some people prefer their peaty scotch to be. Tun 1401 is always stellar, and Stagg is an absolute beast of a whiskey, probably my favorite out of everything I've tried. I found the 23 year old Pappy was not as good as the 15 and 20 are, though.

However, the most expensive alcohol of any type I've ever drunk was actually madeira, a bottle of malvasia from like 1930 or something (madeira can age for just a ridiculous amount of time). It was amazing, super concentrated and complex but it still had some acidity to it as well. It was at a tasting, and I probably don't even want to know how much a bottle of it goes for.

>> No.5838594

>>5838586
I would say no, actually. At least a buck double could be enjoyable to a hungry pleb. Some bottle of Johnny Walker red Dewars white is disgusting to anyone that tries it.

>> No.5838638

Not all wine gets better with age, some wine are better drunk young. Most of the wine I've tried are in the $13-20 range.

>> No.5838707

>>5835714
So he has 12yo whiskey that has been deteriorating for 30 years.

That's a completely different thing from whisky that has been aging in its wooden casks for 30 years.

May as well sell it or drink it before it deteriorates any further. There are some collectors out there who will buy for the older bottles/labels, and sometimes to see how the whiskey has changed over time (not because of "aging" in the bottle but because the distilleries change their recipes according to people's tastes).

>> No.5838809

>>5835591
Probably a 15 year Jameson whiskey. A bottle went for $800.

It was very aromatic. Good tea notes, tasted sweet and smooth, almost like mead. But very intense, not something you could drink daily, or even weekly.

I like triple distilled whiskeys that are clean and not complex. In Ireland, we are having something of a whiskey revival- and I'd say we'll see the fruits of it in another decade.

I had some very expensive vodkas in Shanghai - but they were lost on my pleb palate.

>> No.5838870

>>5835635
Scotch doesn't age outside of the barrels, thats the point of the cask in the first place. 50 year old whiskey is called that because it spent 50 years in the barrels. Some 5 year old whiskey from 1950 is still only 5 year old whiskey

>> No.5839186

One of my buddies wants to buy a few barells of whiskey, the idea is that 3 of us, all chip in, and the last one alive gets it all to themselves.

>> No.5839217

>>5839186
>buy a few barells of whiskey

Fuck, that's going to be expensive. Even if it's a "cheap" brand.

>> No.5839340

Yeah, it's gonna be a bit of an investment, but we all have decent enough incomes so it shouldn't be a huge issue.

He's talking with a few local distilleries at the moment, were gonna do a few tastings some time in the next few months and I figure were probbably gonna purchase some time in the new year.

>> No.5839903

>>5839186
>the last one alive gets it all to themselves.
You know, if I was a 90 year old man, I don't think a barrel of whiskey is going to do me any good

>> No.5839930

>>5839903
I think it'd be great if your last friend just died and you can go via liver failure drunk out of your mind instead of waiting for death, your mind eroding, unable to even control your bladder.

>> No.5840856

>>5836573
>>5836820
Spec's has mail-orders in Texas.

>> No.5841045

>>5835591
I once got to taste a 65 y/o somethingoranother. I was 19 so I don't remember the name. Smoothest drink I've ever had though, unbelievably earthy.

>> No.5841340

I had 21 year Glenfiddich that I got in Mexico for (relatively) dirt cheap.

It lasted forever because I would literally have a sip and savour that one sip until I absolutely needed to swallow.

>> No.5842383

>>5839186
>>5839903
They all die in a car accident together and now nobody gets the whiskey.