/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.5823934]

How much do you spend on a bottle of wine /ck/?

[Anonymous No.5823942]

>>5823934
>bottle

Wait, you mean it comes in something other than a box?

[Anonymous No.5823945]

>>5823934
10-15$. I'm cheap.

[Anonymous No.5823957]

Three bucks, what yal niggas know about Charles Shaw?

[Anonymous No.5823965]

>>5823945
That isn't being cheap. There's no real reason to spend more on a daily (or regular) drinker. 10-15 bucks will get you perfectly good, quality wine.

[Anonymous No.5823988]

>>5823965
>not spending $500 on wine

pleb

[Anonymous No.5823989]

Between 5 and 10 Euros. Anything more is too pretentious for me as a wine pleb.
Ordering straight from an vineyard (had to google this word, i hope it`s right) in Italy though.

[Anonymous No.5823997]

Who Night Train here?

[Anonymous No.5823999]

>>5823965
This

[Anonymous No.5824003]

>>5823989
By the same token, there is nothing necessarily pretentious about buying more expensive wine. What's pretentious is thinking that buying expensive wine is "better," makes you "better," or that expensive wine is necessarily "better." It's a real good treat to splurge on wine sometimes, but for your regular wine, there's no reason to spend much more than that.

[Anonymous No.5824100]

>>5823934
this is the only wine i drink

[Anonymous No.5824124]

>>5823934
~$10

[Housewife lifestyle No.5824142]

100 swedish crowns. about $13

[Anonymous No.5824203]

Theres a restaurant in my city that sells gallon glass jugs of their house merlot for 50 bucks. It's the greatest shit ever.

[Anonymous No.5824304]

>>5823934
Between 10 and 20 for ordinary meals

Occasionally up to 30

For holidays and birthdays I've gone up to 60

[Anonymous No.5824317]

>>5823965
I'm from Canada though. The cheapest bottle might be 9$. Still, I agree with you. No point in spending more on a regular basis, wine in that price range can be delicious, you just have to buy the right stuff.

[Anonymous No.5824353]

>>5823965
Thing is if you ask 100 people they will all say their price window is "sensible" and if you spend more it's a scam.

Must actually knowledgeable people will say that basic passable quality starts around the $10 mark, but stylistically interesting wines get easier to find past $25.

Cheaper stuff has all the uniqueness stamped out to cover up grapes of unpredictable quality. That and it's cheaper to dump chemicals into a vat and kill off all the unknowns, than to use a more hands off approach that makes for more interesting flavors, but is more risky.

[Anonymous No.5824365]

>>5824353
>Thing is if you ask 100 people they will all say their price window is "sensible" and if you spend more it's a scam.
Literally no one here is actually saying that. You didn't read the thread.

[Anonymous No.5824369]

I tend to buy from less popular regions, Argentina, New Zealand, Spain, Chile

From there, you can get some quality stuff for under 10. As a numeric answer, $6-$15; if I have someone who appreciates wine, I dont mind dropping $20-$25, but not really more than that

Also, fuck women who say they love wine and later reveal this means moscato and sweet prosecco, and practically gag at the too-bitter Syrah/Cab Franc blend I picked up

[Anonymous No.5824370]

if i'm buying wine, it's because my wallet is just about empty but i need booze anyway. $3.

[Anonymous No.5824414]

depends on the mood and what I'm buying for
most I buy by the case and it is about $15 per bottle
If I'm buying a single bottle to try out, I'm happiest if I find one for $10-$20 that I like or think has potential and could use more time, then I'll get a case and hold, trying from time to time.
I have spent a couple hundred on single bottles, but not all that often. I have had glasses from bottles that have sold for $10k+

[Anonymous No.5824429]

>>5823957

I know that it's memewine

Fuck off

[Anonymous No.5824475]

>>5824353
Burgundy drinker here, this exactly described my experience. At $10-$15 I can find decent drinks that aren't very interesting (various Bourgogne Blanc and Macon). Though with Burgundy, the more interesting stuff starts at $35 or so because many village level burgs start around that price range. Same goes for German Riesling. At $10-15, I can only find generic stuff from decent producers. At $20+, I can buy basic level (kabinett) stuff from very good producers (JJ Prum, Selbach-Oster, Dr. F. Weins-Prum, Donnhoff, etc) made from a single top tier vineyard. The main difference between the regionals/generics is producer style, but with the single vineyard stuff, you can compare producers AND locations. The thing that baffles me about /ck/ wine threads is that everyone will talk about a certain price range as if it applied to every type of wine in all markets, when in fact $10-15 means far different wines depending on where you live.

[Anonymous No.5824514]

>>5824365

Maybe you didn't literally read the literal posts

[Anonymous No.5824692]

>>5824369
On that note, if a woman claims to like Champagne, it's almost always Veuve Clicquot yellow label. Terribly overpriced for the "quality" and marketed by a luxury goods company. The grower champagnes I like (Egly-Ouriet, Pierre Peters, Barnaut) are met with far less enthusiasm.

[Anonymous No.5824707]

>>5824369
>>5824692

Where do you meet these "women"?

[Anonymous No.5824720]

>>5824707
...the playground.
Why?

[Anonymous No.5824726]

>>5824475
>Burgundy drinker here
Remember your preference is for some of the most expensive wines in the world.

[Anonymous No.5824728]

>>5824692

Women drop their knickers for Pommery. Guaranteed.

You can tell them a load of shit about the history of the house while they're getting likkered up and moist.

[Anonymous No.5824729]

I spent $25 for my morningly 3 bottles

[Anonymous No.5824745]

>>5824728

So you freely admit to being a rapist. Fantastic.

[Anonymous No.5824753]

>>5824745
>1994+10
>not being a rapist
Feminazi pls go

[Anonymous No.5824756]

>>5824753

>/ck/ in charge of math

[Anonymous No.5824760]

>>5824753

>men in charge of math

[Anonymous No.5824762]

>>5824745
>on 4chan
>not a rapist or pedo

Are you lost?

[Anonymous No.5824768]

>>5824475

dat wehlener sonnenhur

dat urziger wurzgarten

hnnnnng

[Anonymous No.5824769]

>>5824756
>>5824760

[Anonymous No.5824772]

>>5824769
>I was only pretending to be retarded

[Anonymous No.5824773]

>>5824760
>perzyns who use gender identifiers to pigeonhole other perzyns in charge of not making ASSUMPTIONS

[Anonymous No.5824774]

>>5824772

[Anonymous No.5824787]

>>5824753
+20 you raper

[Anonymous No.5824794]

>>5824774

>Family Guy image macro

I take it back. You weren't pretending.

[Anonymous No.5824799]

>>5824787
>I'm too sperged to get a joke
Ftfy

[Anonymous No.5824803]

>>5824794
>projecting
>what I don't like
Go back to putting your toys in a straight line, babby

[Anonymous No.5824806]

>>5824369
>Also, fuck women who say they love wine and later reveal this means moscato and sweet prosecco
dude, what the fuck is up with this happening all too often? why is this a thing?

[Anonymous No.5824815]

>>5824806

How old are you guys?

[Anonymous No.5824818]

>>5824815
Judging from the legitimate retardation, I'd say college freshmen.

[Anonymous No.5824823]

>>5824818
>american college freshmen
ftfy

[Anonymous No.5824835]

>>5824823

Don't you have a mosque to be attending to, yuropoor?

[Anonymous No.5824838]

>>5824823
>snaggletoothed allahbong projecting because the jewlord moot himself said the majority of idiots on 4chsn come from the UK

[Anonymous No.5824844]

>>5824815
>>5824818
>>5824823
I'm >>5824806 and I'm not a college freshman, nor am I college freshman age, but that does not change the fact that when most women I've encountered say "I love wine!" they mean fucking Arbor Mist, Yellow Tail Moscato, or some piss poor Sangria. I honestly don't see how age is relevant in this situation.

[Anonymous No.5824847]

>>5824835
>>5824838
#mad

[Anonymous No.5824859]

>>5824847
>getting mad over what toothless islanders think
Fifty keks

[Anonymous No.5824860]

>>5824844

Because you're from a place where women aren't exposed to any actual culture.

[Anonymous No.5824863]

>>5824844
Confirmed for living in flyover Washington/Oregon/California

[Anonymous No.5824865]

>>5824844

The reason age seems relevant is that I haven't encountered anyone who would willingly drink arbor mist or yellow tail since I was in college. Male or female.

How old are you?

[Anonymous No.5824875]

>>5824860
This is correct
>>5824863
I don't live in any of those states
>>5824865
I'm 24.

[Anonymous No.5824880]

>>5824875

24 year old "women" are psychologically the same as high school kids.

[Anonymous No.5824885]

>>5824880
youre reaching here breh

[Anonymous No.5824907]

>>5824745

>not always having a bottle of champagne in the fridge for when you bring a woman home

I'm not single anymore, but come on guys, if you're bringing a tart home, show her some class, it really cuts down on the need to rape with all the unfortunate consequences.

[Anonymous No.5824909]

>>5824907
>champagne
>not decanting your finest vodka and cherry electrolyte packets

[Anonymous No.5824911]

>>5824885

No, not really. When you've dated a range of women you find that women under the age of 25 become almost intolerable to do anything with except fuck, once you're above that age group.

[Anonymous No.5824914]

>>5824880
I can agree with the sexist regime and say that women do stupid things, but I don't believe that 24 year old women are psychologically the same as 14 year old women

[Anonymous No.5824918]

>>5824911
Damn breh, your trying to reach the moon?

[Anonymous No.5824922]

>>5824907
>champagne
>in the fridge

classless casual.

[Anonymous No.5824925]

>>5824918

I don't know what this means. Is it a meme?

[Anonymous No.5824928]

>>5824925
>I'm just pretending to be retarded

[Anonymous No.5824929]

>>5824922

You keep it in the fridge so it ices more quickly you retard. If you take a room temperature bottle and put it in an ice bucket it won't be ready to drink for 45 minutes at least.

[Anonymous No.5824930]

>>5824925
it means you're speaking beyond your experience and its really obvious.

[Anonymous No.5824935]

>>5824880
So why is it illegal to get high school kids drunk, then? Or fuck them? I clearly remember getting drunk in high school. The fucking didn't happen until the last year.

But seriously, if your statement is true high school girls should be allowed to drink and fuck with impunity. Like in the 1970's.

[Anonymous No.5824939]

>>5824930

Maybe, maybe not. The thing about subjective experiences that are age-specific is that you won't know until you're my age. So perhaps you can just wait.

[Anonymous No.5824940]

>>5824429
Il shart in ur tulip glass m80

[Anonymous No.5824945]

>>5824939
I'm 27, dating a 24 year old. She also has a 16 year old sister. They are noticeably different in pretty much every way. I think you're talking out your ass.

[Anonymous No.5824948]

>>5824935

Because of organizations like MADD. Or perhaps, mostly, just MADD.

[Anonymous No.5824956]

>>5824945
He's definitely talking out of his ass.

[Anonymous No.5824960]

>>5824945

27 is a lot closer to 24 than it is to 16. When you're young, little differences like that seem huge.

[Anonymous No.5825010]

>>5824948
You may be right. Coming of age in the 1980's has pretty much convinced me that the 80's ruined food, politics, music, sex and everything else good in America.

[Anonymous No.5825795]

Last bottles I purchased were two Chateau Lynch-Bages 1995 for around £200.

But I usually don't spend that much. On average, I guess it's around £30-£45.

[Anonymous No.5825813]

>not buying 5liter boxes for $10

[Anonymous No.5825838]

>tfw
Wake up the next morning and wine stain on my shirt, trail of wine drips between the couch and my kitchen bench, tea towel with wine stains, an empty bottle that I don't remember drinking and a half drank bottle that I don't recall opening.

>tfw the half bottle must be drank that evening or it will go bad

[Anonymous No.5825840]

>>5825838
>implying half a bottle is a lot to go through
It's noon and I'm on my 2nd bottle. Step ur game up m8

[Anonymous No.5827049]

I spend around £20 on average.

I like Barolo.

[Anonymous No.5827056]

Usually around $15, seems like the sweet spot where you can get affordable and good wines without much trouble, at least for me.

[Anonymous No.5827085]

Usually spend £6 on a bottle of vinegar when i'm just getting drunk on a friday. £25 if someone else is going to be drinking it.

Alcohol taxes in the UK make anything drinkable quite expensive and i'd rather just get a bottle of Scotch for serious money.

We're the dumping ground for Europe's shit wine.

[Anonymous No.5827118]

>>5825795
You clearly earn a lot of money and can afford to do cool shit. Why do you come on 4chan again?

[Anonymous No.5827122]

>>5827085
>£8 for shit tier getting drunk wine
It's £3 for 1.5l of lambrini here

[Anonymous No.5827125]

>>5827085
This. Being in the UK sucks for good red (or whites for that matter). Chateau Neuf de Pape is like 15 quid upwards, and those are lesser vineyards and lesser years.

Anywhere west of France and East of western Russia is fucked for wine prices
basically.

[Anonymous No.5827128]

>>5827122
If you drink lambrini for any reason you should kill yourself and certainly shouldn't use the internet. You'd hurt yourself. Go an hang in your shitty little council estate or your shitty semi detached house with your shitty fat work colleagues.


>I hate poor people

[Anonymous No.5827132]

>>5827118
Not that guy but money doesn't cure social awkwardness.
And you don't need to be rich to drop £30 on a bottle of wine. You just have to care a lot more than most British people. £200 would have to be a very special occasion though.

[Anonymous No.5827138]

>>5827122
I have a bit of self respect though.

[Anonymous No.5827145]

>>5827128
Just to clerify, I don't get this, I'm just aware that it exists

[Anonymous No.5827162]

If I have to drink it at home, I'll spend 1?/liter for a good local red/white wine bought directly from the producer (the fortune of having parents living in Tuscany, there are producers that use the same grapes of the Morellino di Scansano so it's more or less the same wine). In the same place I bought red wine bottles of the 2009 riserva for 14?... again, it didn't have the "D.O.C.G." seal like the Morellino but it was really good.

[Anonymous No.5827166]

>>5823934
never more than 30 dollars,

Usually spend around 15-17

[Anonymous No.5827174]

>>5823945
>>5823965
Try d'Arenberg Stump Jump and Penfold's Koonunga Hill... a couple of great everyday Australian wines. They release their everyday reds and whites under the same name, so there are red and white Stump Jumps, red and white Koonungas.

[Anonymous No.5827214]

>>5827118
I enjoy it. Don't have to be poor to enjoy being here.

[Anonymous No.5827727]

>>5824907
Chances are they don't report it anyway, what with all the emotional confusion and self doubt

Willing=unclean

[Anonymous No.5827733]

>>5823934
anything between 2 euro and 20 euro

[Anonymous No.5828402]

>>5823957
That Charles Shaw merlot. I feel you nigga

[Anonymous No.5828688]

>>5824939
I can't believe I'm stepping into the middle of this incredibly stupid argument but...

I'm considerably older than both of you and bro has a point, women under 25 are immature and pretty tiresome to be around if you're older than about 30.

They are very, very fun to fuck though.

And he's dead right about younger women who say they like wine only liking sweet stuff. I actually don't see a problem with people drinking what they like. Wine snobbery is rude and puts people off who might otherwise into more sophisticated wine.

[Anonymous No.5828702]

>>5823934
Not much since the cost of the ingredients are spread over about 25 750mL bottles of wine, since I make 5 gallon batches at a time and I grow the bulk of the ingredients for country wine and wine. I'd say anywhere from $0.10 to $0.50 per bottle. Even the mead is as cheap since I have my own hives (well 1 hive since winter was harsh and 2 others died.)

[Anonymous No.5828710]

>>5824369

My nigga, I live in NZ and will spent no more than $15NZD on wine, and it's 30x better than half the expensive shit I tried on my OE.

[Anonymous No.5828722]

>>5828688
How old are you, exactly?

[Anonymous No.5828740]

>>5828722
34

[Anonymous No.5828743]

>>5828740
Lol @ 'considerably older', then

[Anonymous No.5828747]

>>5828743
kick rocks kid

[Anonymous No.5828759]

>>5828747
Thanks for supporting me though.

[Squire No.5829711]

>>5823934
>be Ausfag
>Live in Hunter Valley
>Work in hospitality
>70%-90% on all wine

I spend about $20 on a bottle at a celar door, wines are usuall $90+

[Anonymous No.5829721]

>>5829711
Is it hard to get in at shit kicker level in a winery?

[Anonymous No.5829742]

>>5829711
>people spend $90 on Australian wine

[Squire No.5829751]

>>5829721
Shitkicker jobs are usually cellar door work, which involves good people skills.

Actually working with the wine? No chance.
You need a viticulture degree or have family in the business.

Grape picking is different, but fucked work.

[Squire No.5829755]

>>5829742
Admittedly thats the high end boutique wineries, like Lakes Folly.

Asians man. The Hunter is full of chinks, they buy fuckloads for whatever price.

[Anonymous No.5829825]

>>5829742
Wolf blass or yellow tail are just low price and shit we are known for worldwide. We have good shit here.
We have masive liquor stores that I'd guess are 85% full of wine most of it Aussie, rest of the shop is pleb beer.

[Anonymous No.5830062]

I buy boxes or make my own but i saw a bottle that i would have bought if i wasn't with my father.
It cost 1,5€ for 2 liters.

[Anonymous No.5830077]

>>5824745
>rape
I was close to making a serious reply to this post, it's pretty good bait.

[Anonymous No.5830110]

>>5824745
Hate the game, not the playa.

[Poetanon No.5830183]

A good bottle of wine may cost even 50, 60€, guys.
A flavourful Chianti is really expensive.

[Anonymous No.5830197]

>>5823934
I'm from Canada so wine is stupidly expensive here. I'd say usually between 20 and 30 bucks, up to like 50 or 60 if I want a really good bottle for an occasion.

Then again I quite like port and madeira, so if you count those in the same category I've spent well over 150 bucks a few times. That and the fact that most of my alcohol budget is for scotch means that I don't often go for top-tier wine; I just want something interesting and enjoyable to drink with a meal.

[Anonymous No.5830213]

>>5829742
There are bottles of Aussie wine that go for hundreds. Some of their wine is regarded as being pretty world-class.

[Anonymous No.5830220]

Generally speaking, for wine I drink with meals and use for cooking I spend around $10-15 a bottle.

I might spend more if it's a special occasion. I do have some port that's around $40 a bottle which I use for cooking, but it's just a splash here and there; I certainly wouldn't use wine that costly for cooking in general.

[Anonymous No.5830287]

>>5823934
2-3 € if I drink it during the week, 5 € if I drink it with a nice meal on the weekend or bring it to a party, 10 € if I bring it to a dinner invitation.

[Anonymous No.5830302]

>>5830183
>A flavourful Chianti is really expensive.
Fortunately a pedestrian Chianti is fine for daily drinking, and can be found easily for under $20.

[Anonymous No.5830304]

>>5823934
9.99 and i'm feelin' fine

[Anonymous No.5830340]

10-30

Usually no more than 80.

[Anonymous No.5830356]

>>5830213
It's nice if a country has a prestige wine but I judge by the quality of the everyday wines

California has the same problem. Who cares if corison kronos is delicious, if nobody can drink it. I'd take a $11 cotes du rhone or a $15 no-name piedmont red over just about any reasonably priced obtainable california or Australia wine

[Grenache Blanc No.5830719]

>>5830356
Name-dropping Kronos - well done!
I have a pretty amazing vertical of regular Corison bottles, with a few Kronos interspersed. No idea when we'll open 'em up, but there's no real rush as they last forever. Popped an '87 during Sandy and was amazed at how much life it had left.

[Anonymous No.5830752]

>>5823934
Like eight bucks.

>for a 1.5 liter bottle

[Anonymous No.5830829]

I don't drink wine or alcohol and only use it for cooking so usually about a fiver (that's about 8 freedom bucks).

[Anonymous No.5830838]

After taxes a box of wine is about $15 here.

[Anonymous No.5831305]

>>5830356
>California
>Country
did you fail geography?
Also, I'm no expert on Cali wines (I prefer Washington and Oregon), but I know there's quite a few nice cheaper wines out of Russian River Valley.

[Anonymous No.5831339]

>>5831305
>Australia is a country
>therefore all things that share any property of Australia are also countries
Did you fail at logic?

[Anonymous No.5831362]

>>5823934
I don't op I make my own.

[Anonymous No.5831375]

>>5831339
Nice try boio, but that doesn't fly. Making a leap like that and expecting others to just go with it on an aspie site, especially when everytime wine comes up, people love to shit talk California and yet can't express the slightest knowledge of it, just vague criticism.
Now get back to those California Wines. You seriously think there aren't any sub $10 wines that hold up just as well as old world? That's astounding.

[Anonymous No.5831442]

>>5831375
"There aren't any" is a pretty extreme statement, kind of like the suggestion that the average person on the internet doesn't know that California is a different kind of geopolitical entity than Australia.

I've gone to some nice little wineries in CA that put out wine I'd like to drink, if I could afford $50 bottles every day.

I have not tasted many at the $10-15 window that I'd take over the examples I gave. I much prefer the French, Spanish, and Italian wines I get at that price point.

Perhaps it's an availably issue, like with Australia (that's a country, for anyone trying to follow this overwhelming whirlwind of obscure geography facts). Aussies don't get butthurt that we can't get their good, reasonably priced stuff. They just laugh when I talk shit. You should follow their example.

Tell you what. I need a bottle for tonight. Post a few $15 bottles that you recommend. No boozy fruit bombs. I promise I will try to obtain one at my local shop and report back.

[Anonymous No.5831469]

£7.50-£12.50, about $10-$20, or at leasts that's how much I pay for a supermarket bottles I'll drink most of the time. Aged 20 and on virtually no income I know little about wine, however sadly my rich parents educated me too well and I find most extremely cheap wine unpalatable. I have a growing collection of finer wines, mostly collected while travelling in Europe.

[Anonymous No.5831479]

>>5831442
Personally, I'd prefer to keep that to myself than help you find something more to your liking, since you can browse at least 30 large sites dedicated to cheap wines and find a vast amount of suggestions. I'd much prefer to let you know that you're missing out due to ignorance and leave it at that. But hey, enjoy those other wines, even if you can't not come to terrible conclusions on limited understanding.

[Anonymous No.5831503]

>>5831479
Lol

You caught me in a rare moment of open mindedness. The regret was already setting in when I hit refresh.

I found a neat looking wild yeast fermented aglianico, in any case. Thank god I don't have to make the "California wine face" tonight for science.

[Anonymous No.5831506]

>>5831503
>rare moment of open mindedness
well isn't that a surprise

[Anonymous No.5831515]

>>5831506
I have given it a chance. It's kind of like McDonald's. Every few years some irrational voice inside of me says "how can it be that bad, look how popular it is"

So I have my open minded day to recalibrate. Oh yeah. That's why I never get this stuff. What was I thinking, that it would change?

Stay mad, friend.

[Anonymous No.5831540]

In Quebec (Canada), 15-20$ for a decent bottle.

[Anonymous No.5831549]

>>5823934
anything at or above $60. Less that that is probably shit.

[Anonymous No.5831550]

>>5831515
Enjoy the smell up there?

[Triya No.5831699]

Do you fellas recommend wine chilled or at room temperature?
I have some cheap red called Once Upon A Vine.

Going to be laying into it later. Normally I drink wine chilled i have the chance, but I'm honestly not too picky. I usually drink it chilled because it's been fucking hot out.

just a tangent.

[Anonymous No.5831759]

>>5831699
With a name like that, pour it over ice and add a squeeze of lemon

[Triya No.5831777]

>>5831759
i'll give it a shot...

or a squeeze!
ha

[Anonymous No.5832120]

>>5823934
About 36 dollaridoos from memory is the most I've spent.
I'm spoiled, living in a wine region when I'm not at uni, and with family in the industry I get a lot of good wine for nothing.

[Anonymous No.5832121]

>>5830302
What's a good chianti for a noob? Hemmingway talked that shit up so much in A Farewell to Arms that I gotta buy a bottle. But I don't want to buy crap and get turned off.

[Anonymous No.5832140]

>>5823934
8-12 dollars for personal bottles for getting drunk.

It has to be more than that for good stuff in my opinion, but honestly I have had legitimately good wine that didn't even cost $15 bucks just a couple times.

[Anonymous No.5832578]

I live in Berlin, so I don´t usually have to pay too much extra for old world wines, which is really all I usually drink. I found that between 8 at a min and around 14, 16€ max you get tend to get the best value for your money. 95% of cheaper wines lack the complexetiy, and most wines above that aren´t not necessarily better than the 13€ bottle. Except for some speciality stuff like Amarone.

[Anonymous No.5832818]

>>5832121
Ruffino riserva ducale is everywhere and good quality

[Anonymous No.5832912]

>>5823934

[Anonymous No.5832938]

Usually spend anywhere from $8-$20.

[Anonymous No.5833010]

>>5824880
>implying "women" ever psychologically develop beyond roughly 16-18 years.
Good one m8.

[Anonymous No.5833025]

>>5832818
Seconding this. I drink it on the regular, bretty gud for the price.

[Anonymous No.5833066]

>>5824353
Actually reading the wine label helps with finding better wine in the cheaper range, it probably helps throughout most of the price range but I rarely go over $30 for a bottle of wine so I don't have much experience with more expensive wines.

Also if you're an alcoholic and also like wine, a good trick is to buy one decent to good quality bottle, and back it up with a box to carry you through your drunk.

[Anonymous No.5834285]

>>5832818
>>5833025

Thanks!

[Anonymous No.5834381]

>>5834285

I also buy Monsanto actually somewhat more often than the Ruffino but Riserva Ducale is pretty much babby's first Chianti (in a good way) and I highly recommend making that your first bottle.

If you like it and want to try something else, try this at some point. It's a little cheaper and it's literally identical to selective breeding.