/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.5671215]

>working the line tonight
>literally 40% of the tables claimed to have a gluten allergy

Seriously. Fuck you, no you don't

[Anonymous No.5671219]

>>5671215
thats when you say we arent a gluten free kitchen so we cant guarantee anything to be gluten free and advise them to leave

they change their tune real quick

[Anonymous No.5671221]

>>5671219
that's what we tell the waitstaff to say

[Anonymous No.5671222]

"I'm gluten free, what can I eat?"

[Anonymous No.5671229]

>work at deli
>"can i get this gluten free"?
>do you have celiac"?
>"whats that"?
double charge for gluten free, every fucking time

[Anonymous No.5671268]

>>5671229

You charge double for serving a sandwich without the bread?

[Anonymous No.5671272]

>>5671215

Fuck you too, OP.

If your restaurant doesn't serve food without gluten containing ingredients, just say so.

If you don't want to provide the service that customers are paying for, it's best you find another line of work.

>>5671229

not everyone with a gluten intolerance has an allergy.

[Anonymous No.5671285]

>>5671268
I would assume double for the sandwich to be on gluten free bread since that shit is expensive as hell

[Anonymous No.5671291]

I have a strawberry allergy. I still eat them because they're good. Same with mushrooms, but I gotta be a little safer with those tasty assholes.

[Anonymous No.5671297]

>>5671285
Or just regular bread because the dipshit won't be able to tell the difference.

[Anonymouse No.5671302]

>>5671272
Its an additional service that is not always calculated for. Its also the case that many people are needlessly demanding it.

[Anonymous No.5671304]

>>5671215
If I claim to have a gluten allergy, then I fucking claim it and you need to not discriminate against my mind.
Don't have gluten-free items? Fine, tell me so instead of feeding me something that could harm me.

[Anonymous No.5671308]

I do something similar when people ask me for fries with no salt, thinking they're clever and I'll make a fresh batch.
We're allowed to just give them what we have and not waste our time for liars. Dumb fuckers.

[Anonymous No.5671309]

>>5671272
faggot detected
they need colonies for people like you

[Anonymous No.5671311]

>>5671291
wheat allergy isn't quite the same.
rather than getting all itchy in the mouth and throat, someone with a wheat allergy will get physically ill.
cramps, diarrhea, nausea, sometimes their skin might even break out into hives or eczema.

[Anonymous No.5671316]

>>5671302
>many people are needlessly demanding it.
Most people. Most everyone that wants gluten-free doesn't actually have an allergy. It's just the latest health fad.

[Anonymous No.5671318]

>>5671308
Have you considered that they just don't want your oversalted garbage and want to add salt from a packet to their taste?

[Anonymous No.5671324]

>>5671318
Yes, of course. That's why I don't order fries from fast food places anymore, they're too salty. It's rude to expect a fresh batch for your delicate palate that can handle all the grease and salt from every single other item on our menu.

[Anonymous No.5671364]

>>5671222
"My ass."

[Anonymous No.5671368]

>>5671285

As this anon,

>>5671302

said,

>its an additional service that is not always calculated for

That's how I read what OP is getting at, from working in a restaurant myself (most gluten-free fags usually just order burgers/sandwiches without the bread, other times they ask if something is gluten-free).

You can't anticipate almost half of every ticket wanting gluten free shit, so most places don't stock gluten free bread. It's expensive, and bread doesn't have a long shelf-life.

>>5671272

>if your restaurant doesn't serve food without gluten containing ingredients, just say so

Long story short, assume that any restaurant that doesn't advertise being, "gluten-free friendly" is not, in fact, gluten-free friendly. I work in a major downtown with a couple very liberal colleges, and people either order shit without the gluten ingredients (burgers, sandwiches), substitute any number of things or ask the servers about items that aren't clear.

I honesty have a bigger problem with customers that claim to have "onion allergies" (and that includes all variants), simply because they are 99% of the time babies, and aren't just being influenced by fad-diet shit.

[Anonymouse No.5671386]

>>5671304
>discriminate against my mind
>feeding me something that could harm me

You see, this is why its so frustrating. No self respecting cook is going to gamble on the 95% chance the customer is just fadding out. They have to take them seriously, and it is expensive and unnecessary.

[Anonymous No.5671389]

>>5671215
>mfw people call our store asking if we have gluten-free pizza dough
>mfw I look over at our sacks of ultra-high gluten flour before saying lolno

[Anonymouse No.5671395]

>>5671386
forgot to add, that telling customers off instead of bowing to their delusions is just as expensive as complying with them.

[Anonymous No.5671400]

>>5671304

How about you just find another place to eat that actually spells out "gluten-free menu" instead of being an entitled asshole, you fuckwit.

[Anonymous No.5671415]

>Work in big liquor store
>Woman asks me for gluten free hard cider in a can
>Wasn't aware just yet that all ciders are gluten free
>Uh alrighty mam let's take a look
>She got some strongbow

[Anonymous No.5671418]

>>5671395
making no $=/= losing $

[Anonymous No.5671430]

>>5671418
Loss of potential revenue is still a loss

[Anonymous No.5671435]

I have celiac disease. Go fuck yourself OP.

[Anonymous No.5671437]

>>5671389

>hey, do you guys have gluten free crusts?
>hold on a sec... sorry, we don't *snicker*
>oh OK, that's fine. Thanks anyway.
*calls another shop*
>hey, do you guys have gluten free crusts?
>yep
>oh great; in that case, may I please order a...

such inconvenience you have wrought.
at the mere cost of a paying customer.

[Anonymouse No.5671440]

>>5671418
>>5671430
they were taking up space and time too. they got free service up until the point they walked out. definitely a loss

[Anonymous No.5671442]

>>5671215
nobody gives a shit about your pathetic job. Stop posting about your jobs on /ck/.

[Anonymous No.5671445]

>>5671430
not when you would lose money

[Anonymouse No.5671448]

>>5671435
you should be yelling at the hypochondriacs.

[Anonymous No.5671459]

OP works at a place that has a gluten free menu. Otherwise this many people wouldn't ask for gluten free shit.

It's so embarassingly easy to turn everyone against the dumbass staff against the customer instead of the dumbass manager.

[Anonymous No.5671474]

>>5671368
>>5671302

>its an additional service that is not always calculated for

Take that up with management; I'm sorry for your inconvenience but that's not the customer's responsibility.

If you offer a service, the customer is free to request it per the terms of your establishment.

We've a burger place next door and they charge an extra 0.75$ for using a gluten free bun. That seems a reasonable approach. It's just like adding any other menu item. Whether it's a 'fad' or not is immaterial.

I don't see why gluten free substitutes have to be such a point of contention more than any other side, topping, or substitute.

>>5671309

>faggot detected
>they need colonies for people like you

This guy pointed out I am a faggot everyone.
I clearly stand corrected.

>>5671316

It's clearly an inconvenience for service staff, and I'm willing to accept that it may be inconsiderate to make expensive / complex requests of them when one doesn't need to.

But I also think service people should realize that it is similarly inconsiderate to people with actual health issues to adopt an attitude that everyone who claims an intolerance is a farce.

[Anonymouse No.5671475]

>>5671459
he probably lives and works in enlightened libtardtopia and is surrounded by idiots.

[Anonymous No.5671476]

I always just had a gluten-free vegan dish on the menu when I was the chef. It tasted pretty good, too, and I charged $22 for it. Worked like a charm.

[Anonymous No.5671481]

>>5671475
no, those places exist where I live already and there's nothing wrong with being gluten free until you decide 4 seconds ago that you're gluten free

[Anonymouse No.5671482]

>>5671474
sorry, i guess i didn't read the thread closely enough to catch that OP admitted his restaurant offers gluten free alternatives. Regardless, the fact that most people do not, in fact, require the extra attention makes it a legitimate gripe.

[Anonymous No.5671485]

>>5671437
I'm sorry, we basically make our dough from scratch. You cannot even come close to the same results with gluten-free 'flour'.

Enjoy your frozen dough-discs.

Also, 9/10 times, they still end up ordering.

[Anonymous No.5671491]

>>5671437
Why would you be buying a product almost entirely based on the properties of glutenous flour if you have a gluten problem?

[Anonymous No.5671494]

>>5671485

>Enjoy your frozen dough-discs.

It's not like it's done to annoy you. Some people suffer from legitimate health issues.

[Anonymouse No.5671495]

>>5671491
just googled "how does gluten free bread work"
got zero relevant hits. How does it work? Is the answer just "poorly"?

[Anonymous No.5671499]

>>5671485
you should probably mention on your menu that you don't have a good gluten free pizza

but to be sure you should also include the name of your town so I can open up a health food place that really shouldn't offend you but somehow does.

[Anonymous No.5671500]

>>5671495
its like magnets man

[Anonymouse No.5671502]

>>5671494
I wish I lived in a world where I could empathize, without reservation, with the diet-restricted. Its too bad there will always be doubt to their sincerity.

[Anonymous No.5671503]

>>5671502
you live in that world already and you're talking to it

[Anonymous No.5671509]

>>5671495

Usually it's made with rice flour.

it's not the same consistency because gluten acts as a sort of molecular 'adhesive'.

But in my experience it's not hard to get used to.

Intolerance happens because if you eat too much, sometimes the 'adhesive' mixes with the mucosa lining your GI tract. This can irritate your bowels.

If it causes damage or gets into an injury and into your bloodstream, as a foreign substance it can trigger an allergy.

[Anonymouse No.5671511]

>>5671499
Thats really dumb. you should feel bad for being so dumb. Should restaurants also advertise that they don't have peanut free peanut sauce, or pecan free pecan cake?

[Anonymous No.5671513]

>>5671511
no. they should advertise that they have really good exclusionary pies.

if it's good enough to ignore the fda guidelines, it's probably really tasty.

[Anonymouse No.5671515]

>>5671503
In this context we can discuss how horrible finding out about your allergy was, how terrible the constant doctor visits and tests. If i run into you on the street, statistically, you are a fad-obsessed idiot.

[Anonymous No.5671516]

>>5671511
Probably would make more sense.

[Anonymous No.5671520]

>>5671511

>Should restaurants also advertise that they don't have peanut free peanut sauce, or pecan free pecan cake?

Yes, if it was a common request from customers, that would make sense.

Gluten-free substitutes are common, because gluten intolerance is relatively common.

[Anonymouse No.5671523]

>>5671509
good post, i learned something.
ty

[Anonymous No.5671524]

>>5671520
wow. just wow

[Anonymous No.5671528]

>>5671515
it's severe. I have a severe allergie against bullshit pizza.

and now suddenly i am the god of pizza in your region when really I could cook them snot on a flat bread and be cooler than you are. Just because I have a stupid name, made fun of you and offered snot on a pizza with fresh artichokes.

[Anonymouse No.5671534]

>>5671524
I'm starting to think some anons in this thread may be disingenuous.

[Anonymous No.5671536]

Here's how I see it:

If you follow a special diet, whether for health reasons or moral/ethical reasons, then you need to be the one to accommodate people in situations like these. I'm not saying you're the scum of the earth if you have a special diet, but you have to realize that people won't always be able and/or willing to accommodate you. So the reasonable, mature thing to do would be to accept the fact that your diet is different from most people's, and that you might not always be able to eat out all the time.

Instead you get these whacked out diet extremists who think that every restaurant on planet earth needs to have a vegetarian/vegan/gluten free/non-GMO/diabetic/cardiac/whateverthefuck special option, just to cater to them and their unique needs.

[Anonymouse No.5671538]

>>5671528
i don't get it

[Anonymous No.5671542]

>>5671499
>you should probably mention on your menu that you don't have a good gluten free pizza
No.

It should be understood that:

>all our pizza, calzones, strombolis are hand stretched using dough we make from scratch - gluten is necessary for this
>if we had gluten free shit, we'd mention it

If you're genuinely trying to avoid it, for whatever reason, at least understand what role gluten plays in the foods you once loved.

It's like me asking for Wiener Schnitzel at an Indian restaurant.

>but to be sure you should also include the name of your town so I can open up a health food place that really shouldn't offend you but somehow does.

I would, especially since we're di-fucking-rectly next to a Pizza Hut and from my understanding, they're not having their lease renewed. However, I won't.

I don't really go out anymore, so chances are I wouldn't see it in the first place. Though it would piss me off.

[Anonymous No.5671544]

>>5671536
yup, we have a GF lady that comes in and bring her own wraps or buns

[Anonymouse No.5671547]

>>5671536
I don't even see this as the issue. I think the issue is that some people do not in reality have special dietary needs, and they are expecting the attention that genuine allergy-sufferers get. And they will always get it because no one is going to call their bluff. "But I really do just feel totally icky if i even touch gluten. Poison!"

[Anonymous No.5671551]

>>5671534
that' snot why you should be concerned. What you should be concerned about is the snot perpetuating your style of pizza and my new style called "pizza" that doesn't involve snot or making fun of other regions of pizza.

Just because you're a fucking retard it doesn't mean that you need to leave the pizza business altogether. I'm sure you have the skills to bake and pack these babies.

[Anonymouse No.5671554]

>>5671536
>>5671547
but i do agree with your perspective

[Anonymous No.5671557]

>>5671515

>statistically, you are a fad-obsessed idiot.

I'm interested in the source of these statistics.

Even if it were true, you're attitude is giving the majority the power control your view of the minority. That's not a good precedent to set.

Ideally, you would put being smug aside and not assume the worst of peoples' intentions because you could appreciate the possibility that you may be making the day of someone who is actually suffering that much more difficult.

Either way, doing the right thing is sometimes more complex than statistics will dictate.
It's similar to charitable giving, where one might argue most of the poor will just spend it on drugs or alcohol. Even if there is only 1/10 chance you're doing the 'right thing' in judging someone as honest about their condition, that 1 time out of ten that you do judge accurately will result in so much more good being done, with respect to helping someone who is genuinely suffering.

[Anonymous No.5671560]

>>5671557
you raise a good point about people who don't read long posts about nothing.

[Anonymous No.5671565]

>>5671547
I understand your point, put the fact of the matter is that you can't possibly know one way or the other whether someone is telling the truth or full of shit. In a service career, (any service career, not just food service), you pretty much need to take customers at face value or you risk losing your job. It may not be right or just, but it's definitely true.

So if some young, college-aged, dreadlock-sporting hippie chick comes into your restaurant and claims to have a gluten allergy, you may as well treat her like she's telling the truth. If she's lying then you wasted some time and effort, possibly a few bucks. If she's not lying and you serve her something that makes her sick, you're going to be in a world of shit when you could have just swallowed your pride and said, "fuck it, I'll serve this stupid bitch her flavorless rice crackers."

[Anonymous No.5671566]

>>5671554
you cant agree on 4chan

[Anonymous No.5671567]

>>5671536

>Instead you get these whacked out diet extremists who think that every restaurant on planet earth needs to have a vegetarian/vegan/gluten free/non-GMO/diabetic/cardiac/whateverthefuck special option, just to cater to them and their unique needs.

So don't serve to them.

If your management requires that servers cater to them, then take that up with management, or find a new job.

If you can't handle a customer asking for something, or you can't handle providing service as advertised, then you should not be working a service position. That's not the customers' responsibility.

[Anonymous No.5671573]

You don't have a gluten sensitivity. You need to eat more fiber.

[Anonymouse No.5671575]

>>5671557
ok. I think you're right about how ideally I should not assume the worst of peoples' intentions. The rest of your post is pretty fair too.
But I will say that the portion of people that are jumping on the bandwagon are making it worse for the people who suffer. And it is true that this is the case because of jaded people like the majority of posters in this thread.
And as far as the statistics go, the center for celiac research estimates 6% of americans suffer from some degree of gluten sensitivity. OP states that 40% of his customers were claiming sensitivity. This is the core of my gripe.

[Anonymouse No.5671581]

>>5671565
I agree completely. No decent person would ever take that gamble, which is why it is an annoying situation. But its only annoying so, yes, this whole thread is kind of silly.

[Anonymous No.5671587]

>>5671581
most people with a serious allergy wont risk going out to a restaurant that doesnt cater to as they could be hospitalized or die if the kitchen isnt properly cleaned and the food isnt properly handled

[Anonymous No.5671611]

>>5671485
>Also, 9/10 times, they still end up ordering.

That's what makes me laugh. I've noticed this too. I tell people that we can't guarantee anything isn't cross-contaminated and most of the time they're like "fuck it" and order anyway. Same with people who don't eat pork.

[Anonymous No.5671694]

Check your privilege, cis-allergic scum. If I identify as gluten-intolerant, then you should treat me that way, regardless of how my body will actually react to gluten.

[Anonymous No.5671702]

My mother actually has a gluten intolerance. She gets bloated, she breaks out in hives, she experiences cramps, the whole bit. Doctors didn't mention the gluten thing at all. She heard about it, stopped eating gluten, and all that bullshit cleared right the fuck up.

Fuck everyone who's doing it because it's trendy.

[Anonymous No.5671716]

>>5671702
>Fuck everyone who's doing it because it's trendy.
Yep, it's like false rape accusers. Wasted resources and frustration.

[Anonymous No.5671729]

>>5671222
>all this gay subtext
And i thought gays weren't welcome

[Anonymous No.5672032]

> work in a restaurant few years ago
> client order dishes without onions because allergie...
> make his salat freshly from scratch without onion ...
> guy eat Salat. ..few minutes later start to have breathing problems, turns bluish, need to take a medicament again allergie.. leave the restaurant
> mfw i forgot that the cutting board i use for preparing his salat is the same i uses to cut onions for prep hours before the restaurant open.....

The problem with gluten free pizza dough is not only the dough by it self.. it's the fact the the kitchen place is full of wheat everywhere... You had too clean the station just for one pizza....

[Anonymous No.5672049]

>>5671368
If someone is ordering a burger without the bread at McDonald's or anywhere else that cooks on a griddle or conveyor, guess what? They're trendy. When someone really has a gluten intolerance, they can't get burgers from such a place because bread crumbs will invariably get on the grill and the grill is only cleaned at the end of the day. The also can't get anything fried so if someone orders chips/fries, they're just being trendy.
If the burger is cooked in a pan rather than on a griddle, that's fine as the pan is washed a few times each day. People who really need to be GF can't eat at
lunch carts/food trucks
the majority of cafés/diners
canteens/cafeterias
the majority of chippies/fry shops
the majority of fast food places
the majority of east and southeast asian restaurants

So if you work in any of these places and someone asks for GF stuff, you know that they have no intolerance. One of my good friends has to be GF and I feel bad for her that she can't go out to eat like... at all. She doesn't cause a scene or anything. She just doesn't go out to eat. Like ever.

[Anonymous No.5672054]

>>5671702
the wonders of placebo effect.

[Anonymouse No.5672055]

>>5672032
damn, you fucked up.

>>5671716
exact. not to mention that they introduce the issue of uncertainty in rape claims that may be genuine.

[Anonymous No.5672058]

> work at a restaurant
> customer asks you something
> get mad about it

Why.

If someone wants gluten free because they perceive they get problems from ingesting gluten why would you get mad when they ask you for it?

> b-but they're not dying if they ingest specs of gluten so they shouldn't be so picky

That's a stupid fucking logic man.

[Anonymous No.5672071]

Gluten sensitivity is about as real as chinese restaurant syndrome.

http://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2014/05/gluten_sensitivity_may_not_exist.html

[Anonymous No.5672086]

>>5671229
kak

[Anonymous No.5672098]

>>5671437

>implying people working McJobs give a fuck whether or not a customer decides to buy their food

[Anonymous No.5672122]

>gluten free
Reminds me of Domino's "gluten free" pizza crust that every praises them for having when it says in big ass text that it is prepared on the same equipment as normal pizza without being cleaned beforehand. Gluten-fags don't know the difference ofc. Celliac-fags might, but Dominos usually gives you the shits and a ill stomach to begin with so it's hard to tell if it's the pizza or your allergy kicking in.

[Anonymous No.5672124]

asking for gluten free is jsut as trivial as "no onion" or "no mushroom" you really shouldn't be pissed at it, even if people are idiots or drama queen, it's their right since it's a restaurant.

[Anonymous No.5672127]

>>5672124
>people have rights to restaurants
No. No they don't, you clod.

[Anonymous No.5672137]

>>5671215
Gluten free bitches who actually think its bad do it coz its like the lazy way of getting a social medal of honour for being a Vegetarian

Anyway my mums doc told her to go gluten free, but she's not Celiac, she's got some other shit.
Like some people aren't Lactose Intolerant, but cant have dairy coz they just get rashes from some protein in the milk.

EDUCATE URSELVZ

[Anonymous No.5672156]

>>5672122
that is actually pretty good though, i got a free one once because someone didn't answer their door and i was their last customer of the night or something

[Anonymous No.5672157]

>>5672124
>No onion
>No mushroom
I hate flavor wah

[Anonymous No.5672231]

I'm a genuine Celiac... ...sufferer? The information on what you can/can't eat is really easy to find. It's "Day 1" kinds of things. You don't need to hassle the wait-staff about ingredients... ever.

You guys can have this. It's what I have posted in my cafe, and it's actually helped my business.


Dear Customers,

Due to the overwhelming surge in paranoia stemming from an abundance of fad diets; we don't have the time to train employees on, nor the shelf space and/or sign space to provide information on our products' interactions with your personal biologies.

For your own safety, and out of respect of those with genuine health issues, please do your own research.

Thank You.


What I would have liked to say:

Dear Customers,

If you have some rare life threatening allergy to some food item, you probably have done your research know what it is, and how to avoid it. Or at the least read the information provided to you on the day of your diagnosis like I did.

This message is not for you.

To the rest of you fuckers, I'm not responsible for your stupidity.

Spin the wheel.

Your chances are really high you're just an idiot following the latest fear inciting report on food and that no harm will come to you (unfortunately).

[Anonymous No.5672249]

>>5672127
You get paid to service them. That's capitalism for you kid.

[Anonymous No.5672254]

>>5672049

"Cross-contamination" is really more of a red herring. You wont die/get sick unless you have a rare thing like peanut allergies. If you have a tiny bit of gluten from contact, you should be fine. The signs warning people "These surfaces were used in the preparation of ____" or whatever are a deterrent. It's the C.Y.A. clause. In the case of fast food places, there's a risk of glutinous fillers and such being in the actual product itself, not from contact.

But eating in is the best choice, allergies or not. Invite people over, sit with your families. Cooking is good shit.

Hell, there's forums all over the place dedicated to it...


..oh wait

[Anonymous No.5672278]

>>5671215
Maybe coeliacs are just instinctively drawn to your scent.

[Anonymous No.5672280]

>>5671215
Is the guy in red really trying to shove his fist up his opponent's ass, or does it just look that way because wrestling is as gay as two guys groping each other?

[Anonymous No.5672281]

Aren't actual gluten allergies triggered by similar trace quantities like nut allergies, so just eating from a place that handles wheat foods is risky?

[Anonymous No.5672297]

>>5672280

In this form of wrestling, whoever can touch the other's prostate first wins