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Why do retards keep insisting that healthy food is cheaper when it absolutely is not...

I can buy a 400g pack of cookies for $1.99 which has 5000 calories, a 2 litre bottle of cola which has 1000 calories for 89 cents and a 1 kilo tub of peanut butter with 5888 calories for 4 dollars.

That's 11, 000 calories for $6.89, try getting anywhere near the $1.50 a day calories required with health food... even straight bannanas will only net you 400 calories or so for that cost... eggs are $4 per 1000 cals, vegetables are virtually calorie free, and healthy meats like chicken and turkey are very expensive.

Also not a fat guy, I'm a hungry skeleton on a perma bulk pissed off that I can't afford to bulk on healthy foods because they are waaaay more expensive.

>> No.5631573

>>5631553
im pretty sure the argument applies to fast food, like buying healthy food is cheaper than say eating McDonalds every day

>> No.5631579

>>5631553
of course premade health foods are more expensive than premade junk foods but cooking the shit yourself is cheaper

>> No.5631583

>>5631573

If your time has no value this is true...

Say you save 45 minutes per day on cooking and cleaning by going to mcdonalds, at a min wage job that's about $7, you need to eat 5 mcdoubles to achieve 200 plus calories and they cost less than 7 dollars.

>> No.5631590

>>5631579

> premade
> bannanas, nits, chicken, vegetables

Okay describe to me a 2000 calorie meal plan for $1.50 made up of healthy foods.

>> No.5631604

Rice and beans muhfugga

>> No.5631608

>>5631590
loaf of bread or a bag of beans, you cant make a "meal plan" of processed junk foods for 1.50 either though just cheap high caloric foods, you cant survive on 200kcal of soda everyday

>> No.5631609

>>5631604

Yeh that's not exactly healthy either. Beans aren't even that cheap where I live.

>> No.5631614

>>5631609
healthier than 500kcal of cookies

>> No.5631617

>>5631608

> just eating bread
> healthy

Bread is about $3 for 1000 calories unless you get a super ghetto processed shit loaf.

So unhealthy food cheaper, confirmed. Eveyone shut the fuck up about healthy food being cheaper...

>> No.5631618

>>5631590

eat nothing but rice and beans

if you want to eat a variety of healthy foods it is more expensive and more time consuming

I eat healthy, but it's a pain in the fucking ass and half the time I just don't eat anything because I don't have the time or energy to make food

>> No.5631632

>>5631614

So? My point is healthy food is not cheaper than unhealthy.

Go fill up a shoping cart with beans, nuts, broccoli, turkey, brown rice, milk, spinach etc and I'll get dollar loaves of whote bread, no name cola, cheapest bulk cookies, a stick of butter and a jug of peanut butter

Guess who will have the better calorie to cost ratio... junk food guy by a multiple of about 9.

>> No.5631634

>>5631553
>I can buy a 400g pack of cookies for $1.99 which has 5000 calories
niga where you getting that

>> No.5631643

>>5631634

I misread, it's actually only 2500... still cheaper, and I could find cheaper/more calorie dense cookies.

>> No.5631646

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8pC1l_FegM
just add some veggies and you're gold

>> No.5631647

>>5631617
talking about making bread which is super cheap

>>5631643
but you cant just live on cookies you'd have to come up with a meal plan of shit food and compare that price to a meal plan of healthy food

>> No.5631650

>>5631643
And where you getting that cheap peanut butter?

>> No.5631657

>>5631646
this ones better actually
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNctsEFp7Zs

>> No.5631660

>>5631590
>400g for $1.99, 5000 cal.
Mostly refined sugar, which just pulls excess stores of nutrients because of the unmoderated blood sugar activity.

Calories, thus, possbly =/= gains. Sugar is no meal.

>> No.5631664

>>5631647

I can definitely live off peanut butter sandwiches and cookies for a loooong shitty life.

My point is only that unhealthy food is cheaper, which is just a fact.

>> No.5631666

>>5631647
>talking about making bread which is super cheap
Yep. Things are probably a fraction of the price if you look for deals at markets, but just buying off Amazon you can get like 3600 calories per dollar of flour.

>> No.5631667

>>5631553
>not buying a packet of kale seeds for $1.99
>not buying a dozen free range organic vegetarian eggs for $4.99 and hatching chicky-poos

are you even homesteading?

>> No.5631669

>>5631646

> food for a week
> $50

You realise I planned my shit diet at around $2 a day right... so how is this cheaper?

>> No.5631675

>>5631666

> eating shotloads of refined flour
> healthy

>>5631667

> 4.99 for a dozen eggs, 900 calorie
> cheaper than a 1 dollar loaf of 900 calorie white bread

Do any of you retards understand the thread at all? Unhealthy food is CHEAPER than healthy food. I have proven it.

>> No.5631677

>>5631669
>>>5631660

>> No.5631680

>>5631553
Why $1.50 a day for healthy foods compared to $6.89 youd happily spend on shit.

Also can't believe no one has pointed this out to you yet but the calorie count is by no means the only measure by which you calculate the health benefits of a certain food. Ever hear or protein, carbohydrates, nutrients etc?

Fucking moron

>> No.5631682

>>5631632
Calories arent all you need to take into account. Vitamins, etc are kiiinda important. In order tget the amount of those youd need outta junk food, youd surely hafta pay a shitload more.

>> No.5631683

>>5631677

> I state that unhealthy food is cheaper
> you counter by proving that unhealthy food is in fact unhealthy food

Way to fucking be retard.

>> No.5631684

>>5631683
>meal
>not a meal

>> No.5631686

You can eat healthy with those foods you mention bu in lower qualities. You would need some proteins and some Vitamin C of course

>> No.5631688

>>5631632
Bulk beans and rice will probably get you more sheer calories per dollar than shitty cookies, and will be certainly be a good degree healthier, even if not the healthiest thing ever. So I'd argue that here is an example of a healthier option that is cheaper.

Anyway, these discussions tend to be framed in terms of normal eating, not eating with the purpose of gaining weight. I can imagine that if you really do need to pack on calories because you're a skeleton, the situation is going to be different. I still don't think eating piles of cheap cookies is the way to do it, though.

>> No.5631689

>>5631680

> 6.89

Buys 11, 000 calories of junk food which is about $1.50 per dau

> vitamins are important

I know healthy food is important but it is also more expensive you dumb animal.

>> No.5631693

>>5631689
>11,000 calories
>$1.50
How and where

>> No.5631698

>>5631688

> healthier = healthy

Beans and rice is not a healthy diet, you will be lacking in pretty much every vitamin... you can add shit to make it healthy but that will also make it MORE EXPENSIVE.

Ck confirmed for dumbest board lol

>> No.5631700

>>5631675
he said hatching chickens, not just eatingte eggs, numbnuts. 4.99 for infinite calories. building a coop will have a higher upfront cost than buying junk food, but the dividends will pay off for the rest of your life.

not sure where you buy fertilized chicken eggs in the city, but whatever.

>> No.5631705

>>5631693

SIX EIGHTY NINE BUYS ELEVEN THOUSAND CALORIES OF JUNK FOOD. DIVIDE THAT BY 5 TO GET YOUR DAILY 20000 CALORIEA FOR ABOUT 1.50

Honestly I've never seen dumber people lol

>> No.5631711

>>5631698
Beans / sprouts are almost nutrient-complete

Also,
http://20potatoesaday.com/

>> No.5631713

>>5631700

Well you need land to raise chickens so that's not really practical. Obviously you can also grow vegetables for free.

>> No.5631720

>>5631698
The cookie diet will also require additional things, you 'tard. Cookies are not a complete meal. And you'll probably need to buy more other things to supplement what you don't get from cookies, than you will need to supplement the lacks of beans and rice.

If we compare these two things on the same level, not making cheap cookies the staple of your diet still stands out as the better choice.

Also, if cookies are the pillar of your sustenance, consider the long term medical consequences of eating like that.

>> No.5631725

my 3 go twos:

spaghetti with meat sauce: (ill just buy a prego sauce with green peppers. add in cooked ground beef (generally the shitty tube beef) and lots of oregano, garlic, onion powder, etc). usually go for whole wheat fettucini.

cast iron scramble: cook up some tube breakfast sausage, break up into small chunks and put it to the side. drain most of the grease, and then use the same cast iron to cook up frozen hashbrowns (i usually go for the cubes) until theyre golden brown. at this point throw the sausage back into the cast iron and crack a couple eggs into the pan. mix everything up, turn the heat off, and apply salt and a fuckload of black pepper.

chicken is pretty cheap at the wal-mart next to my house (1.99/lb for chicken breast). I have a rice cooker so i'll get some brown rice started, and then when theres 20 minutes or so left on the rice, i'll throw a chicken breast and a bunch of frozen broccoli on the steaming tray.

>> No.5631732

>>5631720

Cookies/peanut butter will keep you alive.

Why are all you simpletons so fucking dumb... BUYING UNHEALTHY FOOD will be CHEAPER, not better than buying healthy food.

>> No.5631736

>>5631553

> calories

there is your problem right there

>> No.5631752

why are you only measuring the value of calories

none of the junk food items you mentioned, apart from peanut butter (i don't know why you consider that junk food) provide any real nutritional value. it's empty calories. you're getting ripped off.

beans, man. tuna. a pound of turkey sausage or pork sausage are less than $3. peanuts, and like you mentioned, peanut butter is pretty cheap too. you need carbs? oatmeal and rice are gonna be cheaper than cookies and soda.

>> No.5631755

>>5631553
>Why do retards keep insisting that healthy food is cheaper when it absolutely is not...
I think there is some confusion. I often see people stating how it is cheaper to make your own food from scratch (which tends to be healthy) than going to a fast-food place or picking up something processed and ready to eat (which tends to be unhealthy).

Price comparison:
supermarket junk food < home made meals < fast food < weird hippies selling vegetable smoothies or shit

>> No.5631757

>this by calorie is cheaper
Enjoy your medical bills that outweigh an entire lifetime of nutritious foods.

>> No.5631758

>>5631553
>grams
looks like USA isnt the only country trapping its citizens with shit choices

>> No.5631762

>>5631757
>
And that ice pack

>> No.5631764

>>5631755

Mcdonalds value menu costs less than 0 dollars if your time has any value.

>> No.5631767

calories with no nutritional value, may as well be eating 11000 cal of paper

>> No.5631768

>>5631705
hey man, die in fire k? Ily

>> No.5631769

>>5631757

>implying genetics isn't bar far the biggest determining factor in future health issues

not to say that eating "healthy" isn't obviously better, it is not cheaper though

not even from a caloric standpoint, it is just cheaper to get essential nutrients from unhealthy food than it is to get them just from healthy food

>> No.5631772

>>5631732

beans/rice will keep you alive.

you are retarded beyond belief.

>> No.5631773

>>5631752

> empty calories

Yeh... ck confirmed for dumbest board, this thread is amazing, you should all take some critical thinking/logic lessons because none of you seem to understand that "healthy food is better for you'' is not a counter to the statement 'unhealthy food is cheaper than healthy food'.

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5631785

>>5631769
Yeah, we evolved to be diseased as fuck and dependent on a lifetime of synthesized medicines.

The genetics horseshit is just a way to scam the market by lying and saying it isn't their fault.

>> No.5631789

>>5631773

no, healthier options are still cheaper when you consider both calories AND nutritional value.

>> No.5631791

>>5631772

I never said they wouldn't. You really struggle with fluid reading comprehension don't you?

>> No.5631792

>>5631789

Nope.

>> No.5631794

>>5631791

i think you struggle with making a point.

>> No.5631796

>>5631792

all right, i think it's safe to confirm you as bait.

in the unlikely event that you're not, i wish you the best of luck with your middle school career.

>> No.5631798

>>5631764
Do you literally live in a McDonalds? I can cook something decent in the time it takes me to get there and back.

>> No.5631799

>>5631785
the worst part of that picture is it's wearing a life alert. Seriously is that a life worth saving?

>> No.5631823

>>5631764
Drive there
Wait in drive through or go inside

That's not including the cost of life and lowered productivity from eating shitty shitty food.

>> No.5631831
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5631831

>>5631773
>>5631769
>>5631713
>>5631698
>>5631680
>>5631632
>>5631553


Oops wants to be a contrarian and take what people mean when they say "health food is cheaper" and mutate into some sort of sick pure calorie count contest.
He also clearly lack social skills or is 13 judging from the content of his posts.

>> No.5631867

I eat steamed veggies on rice everyday. It's a lot cheaper.

>> No.5631910
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5631910

So wait, this nigga expecting us to build a meal plan that's cheaper than the hypothetical cookies, peanut butter, and soda.

Nigga, people aren't just saying healthy food is cheaper than shit food. It's because health food makes for cheaper actual meals than shit food.

>> No.5631932

>>5631867

> a lot cheaper

No... it isn't, one pound raw of broccoli ia $1.40 here, so no...

> beans and rice for four
> 9.26 for 2280 caloriea

Mcdoubles at mcdonalds provide 2400 calories for six dollars...

>> No.5631949

>>5631553
You mean low quality, processed "food" that costs 17 cents to make is cheaper than organically produced, healthier food that must be fit to actually consume before sale?

Close the fucking ports, gentlemen.

>> No.5631960

>>5631910
Most people don't cook for four on /ck/. Making food for one person without having to save a bunch of stuff and eat it several days in a row is much harder to do simply.

Not to mention pure time constraints when the poor are often working longer, harder hours.

And the OP didn't say fast food. Fast food is not the only food that's bad for you. The only way your image is a fair comparison is if the other dishes are also from restaurants. You can spend 13 bucks on a bunch of shitty frozen pizzas and come out with way more food. Health food just isn't cheaper unless you make a completely biased comparison.

>> No.5631961

>>5631932

broccoli is $2.99 a pound here and I'm not talking Whole Foods organic bullshit, I mean your cheap crappy supermarket broccoli. If I drove about 40 minutes I could buy produce from stands for cheaper, but consider gas is almost $5/lb I don't think I'd be saving money.

>> No.5631970

>>5631960

> when the poor are often working longer, harder hours.

wat

>> No.5631988

you're gonna be fat as shit by the time you hit 40

>> No.5631989

>>5631970
If you make 7.25/hr, you have to work more hours to get by. It's much much more common for the poor to work multiple jobs, with hours way over the standard work week. The more rich you are, the less you work in general. There are exceptions but that's the general way it works.

>> No.5631991

>>5631961
buy frozen vegetable mixes
it's how I save money.
i can get like 10lbs of frozen normandy veggie mix (zucchini, broccoli, cauliflower, yellow and regular carrots) for about 6-7 bux

>> No.5632004

>>5631989
Truth.

I can attest for that first-hand. As my career has progressed and my income has gone up, the amount of actual work I do in a given day has gone down. Now I even have contractors in India that do work for me and I just manage their time and make sure they aren't fucking everything up.

>> No.5632014

>>5631989

but you are JUST getting by, as opposed to more wealthy people who not only get by but live comfortable lives with as many luxuries as possible.

every person/family at or around poverty level that i've known, myself included, do not work nearly as many hours (and most recieve government assistance) or days/week as say... the rest of my family, who are pretty well-to-do. expensive houses in the richer parts of the suburbs, multiple cars, pools, etc. but obviously that's just personal experience... but both of my parents work arduous full-time jobs to maintain that way of life.

>> No.5632021

>>5631632
Why do you think calories are the only thing you need to take into consideration? When you go shopping, you think about quality, nutritional value, and whatever else you personally shop for, not just calories per dollar.

Fine, go get your cookies, white bread, and off-brand cola, and fill up on that. You sound like you're making an argument as to why eating unhealthy is all around better than healthy eating, while using the "IT'S CHEAPER!" argument as an excuse.

>> No.5632036

>>5631553

>doing it as cost per calorie

You realize most people aren't trying to eat high calorie foods right? Just because you're on a retarded diet doesn't mean healthy food being cheaper is a lie.

Cookies and cola aren't even bulk foods you fucking troll.

>> No.5632043

>>5632036
Jew detected.

>> No.5632046

>>5631960
>without having to save a bunch and eat it several days in a row
Or you know... freeze it?

>> No.5632081

>>5631632

You're conflating self-made food with "healthy food." self made food is often healthier because when you make your own shit, you're in control of the nutritional content. Don't want extra grease? Drain it better, use a different cooking method, don't use fats to cook it, etc.

Making a burger at home is cheaper than getting one at McDonald's, and it can be healthier.

Nobody says junk food is more expensive you twat. The "Supersize Me" crowd argues the opposite. They complain that because junk food at the store is cheaper, it's what people buy and why they're getting fatter.

You're confusing the two points. You can buy a 50 gallon drum of olive oil if you just want calories. But good luck meeting all your macros and micros faggot. Read the sticky and stop being dumb about bulking.

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5632103

>>5631553
oh hey look, this same copypasta, word for word from a few weeks ago.

>equating calories with health
>chicken is expensive
2/10 for the response

>> No.5632106

>>5631831
under rated post

>> No.5632107

>>5631553
Don't even have to read thread to know OP is probably the only intelligent one in it.

>> No.5632109

>>5632021
>>5632036
not even OP but you guys are being so WASP right now. You're not even considering that people are just trying to feed themselves to the point that their stomachs aren't growling.

Yeah you can consider all that other shit... when you're not starving to death.

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5632110

>>5631553

>> No.5632112

>>5632109

But if you're just eating cookies, soda and peanut butter you're going to get scurvy and other vitamin deficiencies

>> No.5632121

>>5632081
>Read the sticky and stop being dumb about bulking.
Literally fuck off to /fit/.

>> No.5632126

>>5631675
>i have proven it

You sure did buddy. You and your mountain of evidence that's more coherent than "I'm right because I'm right and I'm right."

>> No.5632129

>>5631689
Can you show me a receipt and some nutrition labels proving that $6.89 gets you 11,000 calories?

>> No.5632133

>i'm mad because i can't eat expensive food in excess
shut up

>> No.5632142
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5632142

Actually dried beans, rice, and cooking oil are much cheaper than the unhealthy foods OP listed.

When I hear people complain about money and food budget then say they're buying cookies or McDonalds, I pretty know they're idiots.

If you were actually desperate to save money, you'd have: a large sack of rice, largest bags of dried beans (not canned), spices growing in a window, large tub of canola/vegetable/olive oil, largest sack of flour, no meats with the exception of chicken thighs when they go at their yearly lowest sale... to use with the beans and rice not to eat chicken meal, and you'd get all of your fresh produce from soon to expire farm markets.

You'd grow spices (most will grow in a cup in dirt in the window), make stews, make your own dough, and freeze/save/eat everything. Oh and to splurge you'd have a top down freezer you probably found on craig's list so that you could save all your home made items.

And you'd probably feel great, never go hungry and never get obese... even by eating until you were full. It's very hard to get obese on beans and rice and stews unless you're really dumping the oil in or dumping sugar in or adding too many meat products you shouldn't be able to afford.

People in 1st world countries don't know what cheap eating is. They've forgotten that with flour and some yeast you can make 100 different types of doughs. They've forgotten ways to store vegetables, or how to go a day without meat their body doesn't actually need. It's unthinkable to them to live on staple foods like beans and rice; they feel entitled to brand name breads and meat 3 times a day.


OP... just go to a food pantry. You don't sound able to actually eat cheap and have basic cooking skills which are perfectly nutritious yet seen as some kind of poverty eating. In the US, most areas have food pantries that have way more food than they can give away. Just say you're having a hard time and they won't ask you anything else. You can pick what you want and leave.

>> No.5632147

>>5631932
> beans and rice for four
> 9.26 for 2280 caloriea

The fuck? A pound of rice has nearly 2000 calories and usually costs less than $1.

>> No.5632149

>>5631791
Rice and oats provide a better calorie/price ratio than cookies and soda. Bulk oatmeal for $1/lb provides nearly 1800 calories/lb. That's a dollar and a few cents for a daily dose of 2000 calories.

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5632160

>>5632147
>rice has nearly 2000 calories and usually costs less than $1.

It's not hard to find 20lb sack of rice for under $10 on sale.

But you're talking to entitled people who probably buy Uncle Ben's in a box.


There should be a rule that if you don't have a massive sack of rice, flour, dried beans etc that you're using to make your food, you can't call yourself poor, cheap-budgeting, or whine about being hungry or unfed.

Staples + not wasting (chicken bones and fish heads aren't trash items, they're how you make basic broths) + sniping cheap bulk produce + knowing how to spice = restaurant quality dishes which cost barely anything.

But oh no... gotta have their cookies and dollar menu McDonalds and complain that they're poor. what a joke. If you're munching on a dollar menu burger and tapping on your iPhone about how you can't afford food, you aren't poor and you probably don't know how to cook.

>> No.5632176

>>5632142
>beans, rice, stews
>hard to get obese
lrn2caloriesincaloriesout.jpg

>> No.5632177

>>5632160
I just didn't want to give a definite "50 cents/lb" even though that's what it usually costs here because I know that faglord OP is going to be "nuh uh it's actually 60 cents/lb look how i proved everyone wrong".

>> No.5632179

>>5632142
>chicken thighs
>not offal
You're not trying hard enough with the ultra cheap meat thing.

>> No.5632180

Woooooooooah I can hardly handle the mountain of stupid but damnit I'm going to try! You people really are mentally handicapped

>>5631988

It's not my diet shithead, it's a list of foods I used as examples of unhealthy food that is cheaper than healthy. I've said this like eleven times by now lol.

>>5632021

Hey stupid. Read my op, actually read it. Nowhere do I suggest that eating unhealthy is a good idea, only that, unlike what I have often seen claimed, it is in fact cheaper than cooking healthy food. Calories are what matter when it comes to determining how full you get for how much money... goodness you're dull aren't you? Can't even read accurately.

>>5632036

Obviously not, but so what? My point is unhealthy food will fill you up for less money than healthy. The fact that seemingly nobody in the thread can understand this is really sad actually.

>>5632147

The fuck? Check the image in the post I was responding to pal! Those are the stats it provides which I was referencing! Following a conversation sure is tough huh? The fuck?

The fuck?
> the fuck?
The fuck?

>> No.5632181

>>5632176
>broscience

>> No.5632185

>>5632181
Did you just imply that calories in vs calories out is broscience?

>> No.5632192

>>5632185
Yes, it is a big oversimplification of how things actually work that is not relevant to a thread like this where people are talking about highly nonstandard diets.

>> No.5632195

>>5632176

Your stomach and digestive system isn't a vacuum. Unless you're pouring sugar, making it an oily mess, adding meat you can't afford, or making yourself beyond full, it's hard to become obese on a staple-based stew diet.

It doesn't defy calories in calories out, which yes I agree is a fundamental backbone of obesity; I'm not one of the people who think fat is created through a time-space portal and wishes itself into existence.

Hearty beef stew; you can easily gain too much.

A healthy staple stew; good luck eating enough of it to become obese. It's very difficult unless you've added what I mentioned above to make it a mess.

>> No.5632199

>>5632160

Ffs, flour, rice and beans is not a very healthy diet and ANYTHING you add to up the health will lower the calorie to cost ratio making healthy food MORE EXPENSIVE.

How can an everybody on this board have a double digit iq and fail at simple verbal logic.

>> No.5632202

Healthy food is cheap as fuck?

Do you faggots not have a Farmer's Market anywhere near you?

>> No.5632209

>>5632202
The local FM is pricier than the grocer.

>> No.5632211

>>5632202

Yep, it's super fucking expensive here. But please anon, tell me how the farmers sold you 2000 calories of fod for less than $1.50.

>> No.5632216

>>5632209
>>5632211
Do you even Alabama?

>> No.5632223

>>5632199

You have no idea what you're talking to. Rice and beans are perfectly healthy, as is cooking oil; healthy fats are necessary for proper nutrition.

Large sacks of on sale carrots and onions, and sniping local produce to make stews with beans and rice falls well below OP and your completely idiotic idea of cheap foods.

You fail at math.

>> No.5632227

>>5632216

Nope! So please give me the specifics! Keep in mind a dozen eggs has 900 calories, an apple has about 80 amd a pound of carrota has 70 caloroes.

You must get a swell deal from those farmers to get 2000 calories of food for less than $1.50!

>> No.5632233

>>5632209
>>5632211

You are supposed to look for many markets, and learn the seasons of things. Something that's going to be out of season or replaced by the market (they have limited space to sell things) with something else coming into season is going to be marked down by a large margin.


Every single year in much of the US, pumpkins and squash hit rock bottom prices at tons of markets because they're replaced with other items. They also last forever if you know how to store them right, but can also be frozen for use later.

And you're not supposed to eat 2,000 calories of a farmer's market. Learn 2 cook. You incorporate them with the cheap staples. Squash and pumpkin can create a basic broth flavor which pairs well with many spices and can make a great bean and rice stew. At 10 cents a pound marked down and knowing how to store them, that right there covers you for months.

Carrots, onions; large sacks, basic flavors to make stews and soups and can be had cheap.

Fruits can all be had dirt cheap at certain markets. You just need to find large markets that have a limited time to sell, and buy them right before expiry. Then you cook them, dry them, freeze them or use them in some other way.


Just stop arguing. You just don't know what you're talking about and you sound like idiots buying packages of cookies and thinking that's cheap.

>> No.5632236
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5632236

>>5631553
>Get on /ck/ for the first time today
>see this

>> No.5632245

>>5632227

You don't cook vegetables for the calories. You cook them for the nutrition and the flavors.

You have to be retarded to not get 2000 calories with staples and spices out of cheap produce. Obviously you don't know how to cook or can't potato math.

>> No.5632248

>>5631553
>skeleton on a perma bulk
nigga do you even gomad?

>> No.5632251

>>5632223

5 pound bag of carrots is 2 dollars and 360 calories

2 loabes of bread are 2 dollars and 1800 calories

You suck at math ;)

>>5632233

Those prices do not exist within walking or cycling distance of where I live. I doubt those proces exist in my country at all, but if they did iwould have to travel for them amd that meams bussing or paying for gas.

Retard. I have literally never seen anything in my life sell for ten cents a pound.

>> No.5632261

>>5632245

> This hard of a logic fail

Vegetables aren't free right? So buying them rdduces your calorie to cost ratio which means the healthier it gets the more expensive it gets.

Is anything getting through?

>> No.5632263

>>5632233
>You are supposed to look for many markets
Who's gonna pay for the gas for me to head over to the next town for another market?

>> No.5632270

>>5632263

The idiot didn't consider that, not to mention the hours spent travelling and shopping when you could be working or spending time with your family.

>> No.5632271

>>5632263
You must live in Bumfuck.
Do you have a yard? Sounds like it's time to grow your own. Not only is it a good physical activity, it gives your premium food for a minimal price (not including time and labor).

>> No.5632280

>>5631609
You can buy a 2 lb bag of pinto beans for $3 at Walmart.

>> No.5632287

>>5632271

Victoria, B.C, Canada.. the prices you're listing are about one 20th of what I pay, so I think you're just making it up.

A yard? I'm twenty one and rent an apartment, of course I don't have a yard.

>> No.5632289

>>5632270
>implying shopping for decent food for your family isn't a worthwhile task

Yeah, go tell your family "Hey, I could go and get food that will taste better, look better, be more nutritious for you, and be less likely to give you cancer, but I chose not to so I could be here with you for an extra hour! Hurrah!"
You miss the point of what family is for. Family is supposed to have your back, in more ways than just physically being in the same room all the time.

>> No.5632292

>>5632280

In America? Things are more expensive in Canada.

>> No.5632296

>>5632289

> checking out four farmers markets in an hour

Maybe it is worthwhile man, that isn't the argument, if you spend two extra hours shopping and spend$4 on gas it's more expensive than just buying wonderbread.

>> No.5632298

>>5632287
I didn't list any prices, so on that you're responding to another poster.

As far as the apartment goes, how big is it, doesn it have a patio/balcony/etc. and how many windows wilth 4 hours of full sun does it have?

>> No.5632304

>>5632298

Small... even if I grew vegetables you are aware that they pretty much don't have calories right?

>> No.5632309

>>5632296
Priorities, man.
And yes, everyone has different priorites. Mine are to feed my family quality food, amongst others. I'd never in a million years shop at Walmart for my groceries (for several reasons), because what I cook and feed my family is very important to me, I want them to be healthy and strong for as long as they are able. I've been poor at times, (thank god not anymore) and even then, I still bought the best I could afford, even if it meant going to 4 or 5 different markets. Considering what to feed your body, not just for pleasure, but for optimum performance, is very important. I do eat what would count as junk food occasionally, hell, this weekend I promised everyone to bake a cake, but you can be damn sure that cake is going to be made from quality ingredients.

>> No.5632312

>>5632292
What the fuck does it matter? A sack of dried beans isn't a commodity that fluctuates wildly in the first world. It's still cheap as fuck in comparison to processed foods.

>> No.5632320

>>5632304
They do if you roast them in olive oil. Or confit them. Or add a protein rich topping (I have a killer sardine topping that goes amazing on eggplant, roasted pepper, zucchini, onions, etc. etc. (can also be used on pasta)

>> No.5632323

>>5632309

SPOILER YOU FUCKING MORON

I BUY And EAT HEALTHY FOOD

I HAVE STATED AGAIN AND AGAIN THAT MY ONLY ARGUMENT IS THAT UNHEALTHY SHIT FOOD IS CHEAPER

WHY ARE YOU ALL ARGUING ABOUT THE MERITS OF HEALTH FOOD? CAN YOU ALL REALLY BE THIS STUPID?

>> No.5632347

>>5632312

Uh it's a different market, economy, currency amd there are different transportation costs and distribution/rerailer taxes, different minimum wage etc. Food in Canada is about 60% more expensive than in the US.

>> No.5632350

>>5632323
HEY! I CAN USE ALLCAPS TOO, CUNTFACE!
YOUR ARGUMENT IS FUCKING STUPID. WHO GIVES A SHIT HOW MUCH SHIT FOOD COSTS, WHEN WE DON'T EAT IT. IF PEOPLE PRIORITIZE THE COST OVER THE NUTRITION AND HEALTH OF THEIR FOOD, THEN THEY HAVE BIGGER THINGS TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT. TAKE YOUR STUPID ASS AND GDIAF.

>> No.5632359

>>5632350

The entire thread is about the relative cost of healthy vs unhealthy food. I'm sorry you were too stupid to pick up on that.

>> No.5632370

>>5632261
>>5632251

They're ingredients in a recipe, and it's many times less money than the really dumb budgeting you're doing with those cookies you buy.

>> No.5632371

>>5632359
>implying you're not the stupid one for not realizing that people who care about healthy food are willing to pay a bit more.
Lrn2marketing, Lrn2nutrition, and Lrn2cook FOR FUCKS SAKE. This whole thread, based on your own comments, is FUCKING POINTLESS.

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>>5631553
it is cheaper, potaotes have a lot of vit c

>> No.5632377

>>5632251
>Retard. I have literally never seen anything in my life sell for ten cents a pound.

If you're implying you're blind or retarded, then I would tend to agree. Honestly it's becoming clear why you survive on cookies and have no concept of how cheap staple based meals are. Some people just weren't born with decently functioning brains. I don't hold it against you... it's obvious you can't help yourself.

>> No.5632387

>>5632263

Why should anyone pay for your gas when you're obviously too dumb or lazy to bike or walk?

I doubt you're even aware of 1/20th of the produce being sold within 3 miles of you. Hence you eat cookies and think you're saving money.


>complaining about cheap food
>don't own a sack of rice or beans
>doesn't know how the cheapest vegetables come together with staples to provide nutrition and energy at dirt cheap prices well below your precious cookies


>herp derp

>> No.5632394

>>5632370
>>5632377

The cookies were an example of a cheap, unhealth6 food,.. not my diet. I love the 'ignore the other persons posts completely' debate style you have perfected.

>>5632370

> many times less money
> carrots = 1 dollar per hundres calories
> shitty bread = 15 cents per hundred calories

Will I have to explain this once more in my next post?

>> No.5632398

>>5632387
>Why should anyone pay for your gas when you're obviously too dumb or lazy to bike or walk?

I hope he says something about burning calories which lowers the calorie-to-cost ratio.

>> No.5632401

>>5632373

Large sack of potatoes, large sack of onions, large sack of carrots, beans, rice.

Very cheap stew many times less money than any pre-packaged processed food.

Oh and potatoes wedged + oil and spices + oven = cheaper than packages cookies in all respects.


But oh wait... it gets better.

Can you can actually *gasp* make your own cookies with staple items. It says a lot that these people buy packages of cookies and don't know how to make their own for cheaper. lol. Pretty sure they just want to eat junk food and don't know how to cook.

>> No.5632402

>>5632387

> still ignoring every post I've made
> implications about where I live

There is no produce for ten cents a pound.

>> No.5632408

>>5632398

How about that it would take hours both ways to make it to the fictitious 10 cent per pound produce land.

>> No.5632412

>>5632394

Do I have to explain why people eat vegetables and why vegetables are used in cooking?

Carrots are a basic broth/flavor item. It's an ingredient you add to staples. The end product is a stew. The stew also has oil and spices.

If you want, just eat rice and beans. Nothing else. My point stands. But you'll certainly have nutritional deficiencies before long. Same as if you eat your overpriced bread, which apparently you're dumb enough to do if you can't do the math.

But if you're so addicted to bread, why aren't you making your own? Oh right, you can't cook and you're afraid to admit every recipe I'm listing is cheaper than your cookies and packaged bread.

>why does your packaged bread have yeast... omgz you could just not have yeast
>why does it have salt... no calories in salt!

Just eat flour with a spoon if you think your logic works.

>> No.5632414

>>5632401

> many times less money

So lets say... many times = five times, you're suggestin you can get 2000 calories of bean, rice and veggie stew with spices for 35 cents in America, without spending outlandish amounts of time/effort.

Seems unlikely given that a dollar worth of rice is aboit 2000 calories alone...

>> No.5632416

>>5632402

We're not ignoring anything. You're just stupid and not reading anything replied to you.

I think we should just reply to you with your own idiot-logic.

Why are you buying bread instead of eating from a sack of flour with a spoon? Do the math. Obviously a sack of flour is many times cheaper. Just eat that.

>> No.5632418

>>5632412

> still thinks I'm defending my diet

This is getting really old... I never said I eat this food, just that it is cheaper.

>> No.5632421

>>5632416

Because most people don't consider a sack of raw flour or sugar, or a drum of olive oil to be food you eat by itself and thos thread was concerned with the practicality of buying cheap food.

I agree, plain rice is the cheapest diet, and it's not a healthy diet, adding health adds cost.

>> No.5632424

>>5632387
I am very aware of the produce being sold around me, I used to fucking work on a farm here, they're all at the same price level as the local farmer's market.

>> No.5632428

>>5632414
>without spending outlandish amounts of time/effort.

Do you ever cook anything? Have you ever cooked? Ever made a stew? No? Though so. The cheapest way to eat is to cook with staples. End of story. If that's too difficult a task for you, then you're just inept at life.
I'm guessing you don't have the following items in your kitchen:

-large sack of rice
-largest sacks of dried beans
-largest size cooking oil
-large sack of flour


I could keep going, but lets start with these. I'm guessing a no to all of them. I'm also guessing you usually don't buy sales, and you don't buy the most value-effective size.

And we've already established that you don't cook and think a pot of stew or soup is extravagantly difficult to make.

So really this argument is based on how inept you are in your life. Grow up. Or keep eating cookies and spouting nonsense.

>> No.5632431

>>5632416

> not ignoring anything

Here are all the posts where I state that I do not eat the food in the op as my diet

>>5632418
>>5632394
>>5632323
>>5632180

>> No.5632433

>>5632418

Your bread is cheaper than eating flour with a spoon? Come on, respond to your own logic. Why eat anything other than flour with a spoon?

>nothing you've listed is cheaper than staple foods cooked at home


*yawn* you're dumb.

>> No.5632437

>>5632431

Who cares what you eat. You're still wrong about the things you're saying, and your logic comes down to eating flour with a spoon... which you refuse to reply to because it's cheaper than all of your packaged foods.

Why not eat flour with a spoon Mr. anti-carrots anti-staple stews? It's cheaper than your bread and it's the basis of your logic.

>> No.5632442

>>5632428

I cook rice daily, 2000 calories of rice is about $1, geocery stores here do not sell huge bags of rice it's something I specifically looked for.

I can eat 2000 calories of peanut butter sandwiches for $1.50 or 2000 calories of rice for $1, but what ican not do is make a roce, bean, vegetable and spices stew of 2000 calories for "many times less' than $1.50, given that even pure rice is still 75% the cost of the processed food.

>> No.5632446

>>5632433
>>5632437

I responded already

>>5632421
>>5632421

>> No.5632458

>>5632442
>grocery stores here do not sell huge bags of rice it's something I specifically looked for.

I don't believe you. There are large bags of rice everywhere. You've just proven yourself to be completely inept, and that was clear when you acted like a pot of stew or soup is an impossible task. I mean holy shit... how does anyone come to /ck/ and act like soup is hard. No wonder you're eating peanut butter sandwiches.

Stop buying boxed rice and bitching that your own shopping skills somehow mean staple foods are more expensive than they actually are. Stop bitching about basic stews you think are too hard to make.

Peanut butter is an expensive food compared to staples. You can tell someone who doesn't cook with staples or actually budget because they think peanut butter is a cheap food. It doesn't fail; it's always... always the ones who rely on peanut butter.

You're just lazy and uneducated in food and cooking. And the funny thing is you're being an ass to the people who could teach you otherwise.

Obviously you aren't interested in learning anything. You're going to keep eating your peanut butter and being a jackass, so why even post here? All I have to say to you is eat flour with a spoon, since that's the limit of your logic and knowledge.

>> No.5632470

>>5632446

Good, now apply your own post to carrots and anything else you're bitching about and wonder how you grew to be such a dumbass.

>staple suggestions which could cave you money are posted

>you bitch about the ingredients and repeatedly ask why have ingredients

>asked to eat flour with a spoon instead of bread

>you complain it would be inedible/get boring/ not taste good


Funny thing is, my ingredients you bitch about are also necessary for nutrition. A big reason poor humans for our entire existence used produce with cooking. Why did armies eat cabbage and carrots with their stews and meals? Flavor and nutrition.

Now, if you go back to the logic you were using, I'm going to reply with flour and a spoon again. And we can go in a circle with your own inconsistent logic until you stop being a fucking dumbass. Cool?

>> No.5632471

>>5632437

You know what's really funny... I make a pot of chili every three days with beef, onions, garlic, zuchini, broccoli, carrots, beets, cabbage, tomatoes, peppera, cumin, chili, salt and pepper and serve it over rice.

It's healthy as fuck and pretty cheap BUT, peanut butter sandwihes are cheaper, plain rice is cheaper, cookies are cheaper, etc.

You are all just too dull to comprehend that someone could be making a point separate from their own habitsa/life.

>> No.5632475

>>5632458

> no wonder you're eating peanut butter sandwiches

Not this again...

>>5632431
>>5632431
>>5632431

>> No.5632476

>>5632471

Hey dipshit, did I tell you to buy and cook with beef and all of the things you listed?

Oh wow, your beef chili is more expensive than cookies... so all staple foods and stews must be more expensive.


Can you even try to not be stupid? I mean really? Is your mind capable, or is this really how you think? Jesus Christ...

>> No.5632477

>>5632475

Not this again...


>>5632437
>>5632437
>>5632437


I've covered all your dumb-logic and idiocy. Nothing changes that your suggested are more expensive than staple food cooking. Dumb-logic isn't knowledge and it doesn't change reality, it just makes you look like a retard.

>> No.5632478

>>5632470

> carrots and cabbage good for nutrition

Yeh but to get full they cost more than...
And that means that the healthy imgredients are more...

Ah forget it, you're just too dumb.

>> No.5632479

Stealing food is cheaper.

>> No.5632480

>>5631609
Where's that? The fucking moon? Beans are very cheap everywhere else

>> No.5632483

>>5632478

But to get full bread is more expensive than flour, so why are you eating bread rather than flour with a spoon?

Flour with a spoon is cheaper. Tell me again why you don't want to eat flour with a spoon?

You're a moron.

>> No.5632485

>>5632476

But the cheapest stew of beans and lentils is less healthy than mine of beef, tomatoes, and myriad vegetables... almost as if... adding healthy ingredients raised the cost of the meal! ;)

>> No.5632490

>>5632483

Explained it

>>5632421

Basically people do not consu, e pure flour as a substantive meal like they do peanit butter sandwiches.

Do you realise the flour example reinforces my point? Eating pire flour is bad for you... but cheap.

>> No.5632491

>>5632485

More expensive ingredients changed the cost of the meal. The beef raised the cost of the meal more than the produce, is that healthy? That you're not smart enough to control the cost of a stew doesn't really mean anything than that.

Eat flour with a spoon, or don't defend the more expensive peanut butter on bread over a staple stew.

>> No.5632492

>>5631609
Where do you live, OP? A food desert?

I can easily see OP's case though. It used to be that if you were big, you were wealthy because you could afford to eat, but nowadays, many people who are obese live along and below the poverty line. Such people live in areas where access to grocery stores is difficult tend to purchase cheaper quality items at convenient marts nearest them. Even with the help of bus routes, free school lunches, and food stamps, not many individuals can break the cycle of eating poor quality food; people tend to grow up that way and it's a vicious cycle.

I think Time magazine did a big cover about this concept, hell, I see it in both my hometown and in the current city I'm in. It's so weird driving in the poorer areas because I would swear that 5 minutes ago, the roads were nicer and I would see stores everywhere.

>> No.5632494

>>5632485

Actually... your stew has more sugar in it, more red meat. Etc etc.

Going to take a wild guess that the cheaper stew is in fact more healthy than yours.

>buying beef for your stew
>bitching about the price

You're an idiot.

>> No.5632500

>>5632491

Okay I change my stance to flour. You can eat unhealthy flour for more cheaply then you can eat healthy foods like spinach amd broccoli.

Per calorie the produce is the most expensive component by a mile, but you likely still can't grasp that concept can you?

2000 calories rice, 1 dollar
2000 calories peanut butter, 1 dollar
2000 calories ground beef, 6 dollars
2000 calories carrots, about 30 dollars

>> No.5632505

>>5632494

Red meat is healthy, and I added no sugar, sugar from vegetables and meat is totally fine... you meed sugar retard.

Tomatoea, eggplant, garlic, onions, zucchini, broccoli, cabbage, beets amd carrots less healthy than rice and beans? Definitely not.

>> No.5632513

Anyway, I'm out guys, keep posting though amd just read back in the thread for my response as I'e addressed everything about five times by now.

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5632531

op, fishing is free. go buy a rod and a license and catch your food. oh, w8, you already b8d and 8 it

>> No.5632534

>>5632500
>produce has less calories
>doesn't know why people eat produce
>2000 calories carrots
>thinks eating healthy involves eating 2,000 calories of produce

You're fucking stupid. Learn nutrition and what "eating healthy" means, or just stop posting. I never thought I'd see someone stupid enough to think that the purpose of carrots are to eat 2,000 calories.

Eating a staple stew which involves carrots is still more cheap than your peanut butter sandwiches btw. And if you complain about the carrots, then you should be eating flour with a spoon because you really don't need any of the additionals in the bread do you?

>> No.5632538

>>5632505
>you meed sugar retard
>you don't need vitamin A
>bitches about carrots in a cheap stew some more

>buys beef and complains about stew price


You do know you're what people refer to when they talk about stupid people, right?

>> No.5632655

Yeah, people may not necessarily have all these different things in their pantries, but come the fuck on, you can make all sorts of stuff with barely anything. If you know how to cook, you can make do with very little. Anyway, here you go, enjoy.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/rachelysanders/genius-three-ingredient-recipes#3n1srqx

>> No.5632660

>>5632538
I realize that guy couldn't spell for shit, but surely you're not so stupid to misunderstand that whole post, right? Right?

>> No.5632661

ITT: Hey validate my shitty fucking life choices in which I shovel mounds of garbage into my face because I'm too fucking stupid to factor in the health costs I will inevitably face 30-40 years from now.

>> No.5632769

You're going to die if you eat soda and cookies all day though. Vitamins and minerals aren't like an optional thing.

>healthy meats like chicken and turkey

kek

>> No.5632776

>>5632505

>Red meat is healthy

Said no doctor

>> No.5632845

>>5632471
That's not chili. Thats a fucking stew. Chili is beef and peppers and spices. Fuckoff with your shit.

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5632849

>>5632660

I understood his idiocy, yes. But he's wrong on all counts.

If you're actually going calorie for calorie and complaining about adds, then you make bread with a really big sack of flour.

I used the extreme example of eating flour with a spoon to illustrate that point. No adds? Ok! Grab your fucking flour.


Next, if you complain about nutrients or flavor, then I already stated you can use the staples to make a stew which is cheaper than the prepackaged items being listed. But wait... any time I do this, even though it's cheaper, this stupid son of a bitch complains about the carrots. See the problem here? He bitches about a single ingredient in home cooked cheap stew, and yet lists foods which are more expensive and include additional ingredients which make them more costly.

So when you add carrots to a home made stew, as a fundamental flavor and nutrient of that stew, and the stew ends up cheaper than anything listed... that's not ok.

BUT when you buy cookies which have a fuckload of unhealthy unneeded adds, or peanut butter which is majorly priced based on the peanuts which are expensive food items -- more expensive than carrots, added ingredients are suddenly ok. And this shit is more expensive than the stew... and less healthy.


Home made bean and rice stew with cheap produce for both nutrients and flavor, cheap cooking oils (large on sale jugs are essentially staple-food-cheap). Pros: Healthier and way more cheap. Cons: you can't be a dumbass who refuses to cook it or is addicted to cookies.

-and-

Making your own dough. Sack of flour, cheaper than anything. You can even splurge on real packaged yeast; let it grow into 50 packs.

vs.

All of the packaged shit listed. All of it. Peanut butter especially is a fucking joke... peanuts are expensive, way more expensive than beans and rice, and peanut butter is priced based on that. Pros: None except junk food taste. Cons: Price (point of the thread) and health.

So. Fucking. Stupid.

>> No.5632858

>>5632769
You're going to die no matter what, anon. It's what living things do. They die.

>> No.5632882

>>5632858

Yeah, but if you try to survive on cookies and soda you're going to die much sooner and the entire time you spend alive will be in a much shittier condition.

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5632925

>>5631617

Lol, you fucking suck at buying bread

pic related, 850 calories of whole-wheat *organic* bread for $1. Obviously you can find even cheaper non-organic options.

>> No.5632965

>>5631791
Look you idiot, you have already said rice and beans could keep you alive cheaper than cookies and that it'd be healthier. Argument over

>> No.5632986

>>5631732
You keep saying the same thing over and over, and putting words in other peoples mouths, while continuing to be wrong the whole time. You're baiting, a semi-literate downsie who's handler gave him computer access for not shitting his pants that day, or both.

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5633023

>>5631553

Those packaged foods lack the good nutrients that fruits, vegetables, legumes and whole grains hold.
You are not as smart as you think you are.

>> No.5633059

>>5631553
dont ask how but its obvious you suck and verybody knows sucky people cant afford to be healthy

>> No.5633062
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5633062

>MFW junk food fags don't understand thermodynamics of the body
>MFW junk food fags think they are getting more food out of cheap refined sugars than healthy food
>MFW They think 100 grams of cake is the same as 100 grams of chicken

25 grams of protein is not the same thing as 11 grams of sugar bud.

>> No.5633063

>>5632858

Living things are defined more on their life than on their death.

I understand it might seem to cool to be all gothic-like, but it's wrong. Yes, to die you must live, but inanimate objects also "die". Death is the cease of something's basic trait. Suns die. Aspects of a person die without the person dying. Death as a concept is when we can't observe what we defined something as being, and biologically it's the ceasing of what we think is life. Life's trait is living, not death. We can only define life's death because it lived, and because we can no longer observe it living. Without life, there is no need for the concept of death, therefor life supersedes death, and it's the period of life we're measuring, not any kind of period of death.

Living things do many things. Death is when no more things are possible, and not a reason not to do things.

>> No.5633096

>>5631553
>I'm a hungry skeleton on a perma bulk
please elaborate

>> No.5633104

>>5631553
> what are macros?

> eggs are $4 per 1000 cals
the point of eggs is protein, which you very much need on a bulk

one kilo of beans is 1000 calories and 60 grams of protein that you can buy for, what, 25 cents in bulk? 20? something like that.

have you looked into how many calories there are in olive oil?

do you realize that peanut butter is more expensive than actual peanuts, while being less healthy?

or are you just an idiot?

>> No.5633107

>>5633104

How is peanut butter less healthy than peanuts?

>> No.5633111

>Cntrl + f search
>71 results for "calories"

Jesus

>> No.5633113

>>5633107
salt, preservatives...

>> No.5633117

>>5633107
If it only contains peanuts then there isn't much difference.

>> No.5633411

>>5631553
this is a troll thread. OP is a shill that wants everyone to "OH SHUCKS well I guess I should buy unhealthy food then! because its cheaper!"

>> No.5633412

>>5631553
get smarter and stop buying expensive rip off food, and stop buying nutritionally void junk food.

anyone can tell you how to get cheap and healthy food.

>> No.5633417

>I can buy a 100 liter tub of lard for 5 bucks
>10 million calories
>healthy food is so expensive

Wanna know how I know you're fat OP?

>> No.5633488

>>5632236
>see this my first time on /ck/ ever

>> No.5633668

Who cares OP, it's cheaper to not eat food, so why not just starve?

>> No.5633702

>>5632490
Cookies aren't a substantive meal either.

Snacking cheap =/= eating cheap

>> No.5634180

>>5632849

*big sigh*

The carrots are not less expensive than the cookies per calorie, which is what matters when determining how full you get for how much money. Adding carrots to rice and beans lowers that ratio despite making it healthier.

See what I did there? Healthier options raised the price.

>> No.5634182

>>5633702

> like they do peanut butter sandwiches
> like they do peanut butter sandwiches
> like they do peanut butter sandwiches

>> No.5634202

>>5631664
Peanut butter is actually pretty good for you.

Buy yohrself a sack of potatoes, I prefer red, but it doesn't matter. Get a tub of margarine, some iodized salt, and you are good to go. Potatoes are amazing sources of calories and nutrients. Plus you can donall sorts of dishes with them. You can get a big bag for under five dollars and it will last a while. Supplement that with some citrus fruit and some sort of protein source.

>> No.5634209

>>5631553
ITT: the most successful Troll OP in a long time

>> No.5634234

>>5634180
>less expensive than the cookies per calorie, which is what matters when determining how full you get for how much money

Your post which contains this quote was in reply to a post which contains the following quote:

>If you're actually going calorie for calorie and complaining about adds, then you make bread with a really big sack of flour.

He's right. Eating flour by the spoonful is cheaper per calorie than eating cookies. Your post which I am currently quoting also contains this quote:

>Adding carrots to rice and beans lowers that ratio despite making it healthier.

It's clear that calorie count vs. cost is what you're concerned with. So in your reply to my post, this one, that you're reading right now, tell me why we shouldn't leave all the other, calorie-to-cost-ratio-dropping ingredients like yeast out of our bread and just eat flour, just like leaving calorie-to-cost-ratio-dropping ingredients like carrots out of our rice and beans. I eagerly await your explanation.

>> No.5634249

>>5634209
yeah this thread really made me realize how out of practice we are with trolls of this caliber

>> No.5634294

>>5634209
And a pretty dedicated one.

>> No.5634297

>>5634234

I've answered this same question three times itt. Just read the thread!

>> No.5634313

>>5634209
>>5634249
>>5634294
lel >>5634297 seals it, he couldn't come up with anything other than the classic "I've answered that already"

>> No.5634324

>>5634313

But I actually did... that same question... look

>>5632490

>>5632500

See?

>> No.5634349

>>5634324
>Basically people do not consume pure flour as a substantive meal

(correction added)

The reason this isn't a real answer is that cookies are also not a substantive meal. You've acknowledged that they're unhealthy, that's the point of your argument, but it's not just that they're unhealthy, it's that you can't eat nothing but cookies. Your argument would hold water if we could live off of cookies, but we can't.

>> No.5634459

>>5634349

Cookies were not the only food I mentioned were they? Use your head, it's not hard. Also read my second post on the same subject.

>> No.5634463

>>5634349

Also you can definitely live off cookies.

>> No.5634470

This thread is complete bullshit because OP only compares food as calories/$ without any analysis taking into account nutrient density or its makeup, which is dumb. And if anyone deviates from this idea, he ignores it. Then he gets to make up prices for his food so that cheap, healthy food is actually expensive. Then he tries to make baseless claims as to whether a food is "healthy," which is itself a vague as fuck term. OP is just going to keep changing his definitions so what he says is right, while also ignoring any externalities such as lower risk of getting sick if eating healthy food. OP is from Canada though; so he'll probably just say that its free for him, which further proves my point.

1/10 for making me reply. Thread has been sage'd, and I hope you die in a fire.

>> No.5634501

>>5634470

I never changed my stance on anything. My point has always been that you can eat unhealthily for cheaper than healthily. Calories in has been my method of determining this from my first post.

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5634541

>>5631583
hold the phone....
you think 5 Mcdoubles is 200 calories?
>Did you mean over 2000?

>> No.5634550

>>5634541

Yes, 2000

I've typed every post s far on my shitty tablet so typos abound.

>> No.5634565

>>5631553
> Why do retards keep insisting that healthy food is cheaper when it absolutely is not...

first of all, i dont know about what bullshit health freaks youve been listening to, but peanut butter is FIIINE for you.

Any food can be healthy in moderation. It's all about how you use the ingredients. Eating 40 bowls of rice and beans wouldn't be healthy either.

Anyway, cheap IN MODERATION food:
> rice
> beans
> chicken ($1.50/lb)
> eggs ($2/dozen)
> tortillas/bread ($3/loaf)

> pork is relatively cheap for dinners.

So, what i listed isn't poverty level shit. That right there can make you some chicken quasadillas (cilantro is another 50 cents, big woop), or some rice and chicken, it can make several breakfasts lunches and dinners.

What you mentioned - a pack of cookies, 2 liter of soda, and a jar of PB will only last you ONE meal. And if you eat cookies soda all day you will feel bloated, you will break out in sweats, and you will just feel like total shit.

Your body will start to reject cookies. It wont reject soda cause addictive sugar and caffeine, but you simply wont be able to eat for a full day on what you mentioned.

You can't eat for a full day on $6.89 at fast food either - just once.

The preservatives and chemicals in prepackaged and fast foods are also very bad for you and carcinogenic.

But if you claim you can eat all day for $6.89 with some kind of McDouble every 3 hours routine, then i can use the same trick and say i will eat nothing but rice, beans 4 times a day. and ill still win.

>> No.5634571

>>5632925

ningga what are you talking about... i was there at Trader Joes yestterday. That there loaf is $2.99. I bought the white one. It was $2.99. Wanna see my receipt?

>> No.5634576

>>5634501

Yes, what I am saying is that your premises are wrong, so your conclusion is wrong. You made the claim, you must prove it.

Here is your argument:
cookies are an unhealthy food.
carrots are a healthy food.
cookies provide more calories per dollar than carrots
Therefore, healthy food is more expensive than cheaper food.

However, there are things missing. You are implicitly making many other claims, one of which being that fullness is achieved by eating more calories. This claim is baseless. It also doesn't take into account how nutritious a food is. Of course, I'm not trying to make the opposite claim either. Just showing flaws in your argument.

>> No.5634599

>>5634576

Look you and OP, i can settle this argument for you once and for all. I just got out of jail. They fed us the cheapest shit they possibly could, as long as it falls above a certain nutrition standard.

Okay, they fed us
> hard boiled eggs
> peanut butter jelly sandwich
> raisin bran cereal.
> 4 cups of milk a day
> 4 cups of orange milk a day
> bologna sandwiches.
> spaghetti in pasta sauce.
> 4 meals a day,
> barely 600 calories a meal.

As you can see, the shit they fed us was officially GOOD FOR YOU. It was the proper nutrition. Obviously its cheap as fuck what they gave us.

The people that are arguing for cookies as a meal are obviously just gluttenous lazy taste addicts and don't care about nutrition in the first place. They just want to eat what tastes good because food, like everything in their life is a source of external stimuli - a method of entertainment rather than a biological need.

Most people barely have time to grab a piece of toast and coffee, an egg before they zip out the door living their LIFE, starting their DAY.... etc.

Fucking eating cookies? having time to go to fast food? HOW?? why??

You don't NEED any of the shit you WANT.

>> No.5634665

>>5634576

There is no flaw in my argument... stating that eating unhealthy food is bad is not a counter claim to "eating unhealthily is cheaper'. The only point to address my actual assertion was the rice/beans stew diet, and even then, adding ingredients to up the health will also up the cost.

Here are claims I NEVER MADE that people keep arguing against.

> you can not eat healthy for fairly cheap
I never said this, I only said that unhealthy food is cheaper

> unhealthy food is nutritionally valid
I never said this, only that it's cheaper

> cookies are all you will eat
I listed three example foods and people seem to think I only listed one. Aside from that I've mentioned flour, butter, and cheap white bread. Giant tubs of ice cream could be another example.

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5634669

>>5634599
>>orange milk

>> No.5634675

>>5634665

Kraft dinner also routinely sells for 35 cents a box which is 960 calories...

That's cheaper than pure rice.

>> No.5634678

>>5634599

You write about as well as a fourth grader. I hate stupid and poor people so much.

>> No.5634682

>>5634675

Also mr noodles packets are 25 cents and 400 calories, that's 1600 calories per dollar.

>> No.5634718

>>5631553

you know that you need more than just calories to live right

>> No.5634722

>>5631732

if you eat nothing but cookies and peanut butter you will die, or at least get so malnourished that reasonable living is impossible

peanut butter cookie sandwiches don't have vitamin a, b-12, c, d, or e, nor are they particularly high in iron or calcium

also you're not getting any fiber so your poops will be pure agony

>> No.5636393

>>5631590

Ronald, pls go.

>> No.5636402

Op just eat dust. It's free. Just like air, you fucking jew.

Oh what's that? It not healthy? It's not sustainable? What? You mean like eating mcdoubles all day everyday?

Just shut up and eat it you penny pinching fuck!

>> No.5636453

Man, this is a shitty thread.
I love the doublespeak of OP saying that you can sorta survive on something that blatantly does not have all the nutrients necessary for life yet when people suggest a non-processed alternative that requires similar supplementation of veggies and other healthy shit in order to survive that doesn't count because you obviously can't survive on just that.

>> No.5636467

>>5632109
>You're not even considering that people are just trying to feed themselves to the point that their stomachs aren't growling.
Every fucker that claims this has a god damn Iphone: every single one of them. Fuck those guys they just want to waste money on not food.