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>people that actually "struggle to lose weight"

Is there anything more pathetic than this? How fucking hard is it to eat less food?

>> No.5588649

Lol youre gonna get flamed OP. /ck/ is full of fat fucks, look at all the fast food and snack threads

>> No.5588651

i mean, have you ever lost weight?

>> No.5588655

It's not difficult to lose weight. The only excuse is a failure of willpower. Saying it's hard is admitting you're weak and can't stop stuffing yourself.

>> No.5588658

It's pretty hard because it's all in the mindset. I'm currently a fat fuck right now losing weight, it's pretty hard in itself to reduce your caloric intake (only at first tho, once you're used to it then it's pretty simple and you feel much better about yourself), coupling that with the slow progress you can see when exercising. Can't blame them too much, changing your way of life is really hard, especially when you see food as something comforting and it makes you happy.

>> No.5588659

Attention fat people:
just stop being fat.

>> No.5588663

>>5588642
>Is there anything more pathetic than this? How fucking hard is it to eat less food?

No one wants to be fat, every fat person has tried to lose weight many times. The fact that they have been unable to do so should tell you that it is very difficult to lose weight.

>> No.5588664

>>5588649
>gonna get flamed
That's the point

>> No.5588680

imo the problem is people assume a weight-loss diet has to be a 'healthy' diet, therefore they try to force themselves to eat small amounts of shit they don't want to and are not ready to and fail fast

they've the rest of their lives to be healthy; no harm in just going on a low-calorie diet of (mostly) whatever they want for a few months, even a year or so just to get shit under control first

>> No.5588683

>>5588663
the fact that they fail should tell you fat people are weak willed.
fixed that for you

>> No.5588684

I've never been overweight in my life but only because I'm neurotic. While weight/metabolism is not really genetic, at least not to any significant degree (lel 200 calorie different, oh boy), hunger is. I am an extremely hungry person and it is a pain in the ass to stay thin.

That said if I can do it then anyone can, but I can empathize at least to a degree.

>> No.5588686

people who struggle to gain weight and claim that they eat like 6000 calories a day are pretty pathetic too, honestly it's easier to eat more than it is for a fatty to eat less

>> No.5588696

>>5588683

will doesn't have to do with quality of character, it's a force that is always present along with personal choice. having a mindset of "either he/she/i am weak willed or strong willed" means you don't take responsibility for your own actions and attribute everything to an unchangeable (perceived) character trait.

>> No.5588700

>>5588683
>the fact that they fail should tell you fat people are weak willed.

So you acknowledge that losing weight is hard for these people?

>> No.5588703

>>5588663
Fat people are fat because they are disgusting people with serious mental issues and the distinct lack of willpower necessary to control your eating.
I know, I was a fat fuck myself, but then I decided I wasn't ok with my body, and mustered the willpower to drastically lower my calorie intake. Just another 8 kilos and my BMI will be in the norm.
I understand though that the environment you live in greatly affects your fatty tendency: I kept my weight stationary for years, but after 2 weeks in the USA (where I wasn't considered fat, to my surprise) I gained 6 kilos.

tl;dr: just stop eating you fat fuck, 1600 calories a day is more than enough.

>> No.5588704

I tellbya OP, if I could afford to pay for the therapy to help me with my problems which I cope with by overeating, I wouldn't have a reason to post this.

Ice cream is a quick trip to happy town, I just choose it as my poison instead of alcohol, drugs, excessive shopping, sex, etc.

>> No.5588705

For a lot of people it's remembering they need to eat less of it. They think it is okay to eat more if it's healthier for you. Also you have to think of the way their body reacts. Majority of fat people eat to a different satiation point than skinnier people, they basically overeat. It's usually of the unhealthier foods which can stem from different factors (how parents ate). Whenever you go from not having any real eating habits to changing portions is when it's the hardest. You don't feel full and you want to eat more because you are used to overeating. That fucks with you for the first week or two until your body gets used to eating smaller portions and more frequently. A lot of fat people have also never been told you eat until you are no longer hungry, not to overeat. Once you get that down all you need is willpower for working out which isn't muxh more difficult than changing your eating habits.
Used to weigh 360 lbs now down to 290 lbs and still losing

>> No.5588710

>>5588696
You don't understand.
Fat people don't have willpower, because the moment one of them finds it in himself he WILL lose weight and not be a fat fuck anymore.

>> No.5588711

/fit/ pls go

>> No.5588712

I fluxuate between 115 and 165 regularly. It's not like I try to lose weight or gain it back. Just when I get depressed I eat shit food. Usually after somebody dies or something. Without much effort I'm back down again after a time

>> No.5588713

>>5588710
>ignoring strongfat niggas
>ignoring sumo
>ignoring people who don't give a fuck

Willpower is only a part of the equation, you shot posting cunt

>> No.5588722

>>5588703
>insulting fat people while being fat yourself
How is being a hypocritical asshole working out for ya?

Being hungry is the shittiest feeling, so I guess having a hard time losing weight is entirely understandable. On the other hand, there are plenty of satiating, healthy foods that aren't that calorie-dense, so I guess the hard part isn't to adjust your palate but to reconfigure your tastes. Slapping copious amount of salt and HCFS on everything is bound to make you fat and ruin your sense of taste at the same time.

>> No.5588725

>>5588713
> implying I consider rikishies to be fat
> implying I consider strongfat niggers to be fat
> implying I believe there exist somewhere a fatty who looks himself in the mirror and says "i don't give a fuck" really meaning it

>> No.5588731

>>5588700

not that guy but it is hard because of conflicting goals and desires and motivations. in the end if something that directly (or indirectly) thwarts your attempts to lose weight is more important to you, you are going to exert your will for that thing, rather than the weight loss.

that's why it's complicated. it can go as deep as eating being the only coping mechanism for unresolved anxiety or manic depression, which weight loss will not solve on its own. in fact, an anxiety and depression-ridden life would render weight loss useless, because health cannot be enjoyed. therefore, the coping mechanism takes precedence over the weight loss until the underlying issues are sorted.

>> No.5588737

>>5588703
gross, you are not welcome here you fat fuck. you have stains of fat in your mind.

>> No.5588738

>>5588722
I am insulting my past self, I was a fucking weak willed idiot.
Now I learned my lesson, and am steadily getting rid of my old self. Hell, it's not even an effort now, it's just a matter of being patient another couple of months.

>> No.5588739

>>5588642
"fatshaming" (for lack of a better word) along with "thinshaming", are both basically a control issue. People (even if they do it subconsciously) want other people to be the way they want to perceive them. Fat people hate thin people because they want to see other people like themselves, and vice versa. Hating on fat or thin people is something that low IQ people do. If you are going to dislike someone, do for the right reasons, like stupidity or ignorance, or intolerance or just being shit people, not physical appearance.

>> No.5588742

>>5588739

what if the shaming has nothing to do with like or dislike, and instead is out of the genuine care for that person and is an attempt to get them to change an unhealthy lifestyle?

>> No.5588743

>>5588739
extremely fat people and extremely skinny people both make me really uncomfortable, and also a little bit disgusted.

>> No.5588744
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5588744

>>5588642
>roomate eats at least a brick of velveeta with every meal
>microwaves with shredded iceburg until soup
>"IM VEGTARIEN!!! Y I CANT LOSE WATE???"
>mfw

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5588746

>Is there anything more pathetic than this?
making yourself feel better by making fun of fat people on an anonymous image board

>> No.5588751

>>5588742

that's called abuse, anon, and it doesn't come from a place of genuine care. that is twisted.

>> No.5588754

>>5588703
>(where I wasn't considered fat, to my surprise)

yes you were, Americans are just overly polite.

>> No.5588755

>>5588742
Well, it's a known fact that shaming someone doesn't change their behavior, it just lowers their self esteem, usually making the problem worse.

>>5588743
Well, I feel the same way, really, but I'd never voice that in public or act discourteous to a very fat or very thin person. Because those are MY feelings, and I'm the one who should deal with them, not the other person.

>> No.5588758

>>5588738
>another couple of months

wow, and you're still a fat fuck. gtfo

>> No.5588760

>>5588755
>Well, it's a known fact that shaming someone doesn't change their behavior,

not necessarily. I was the stereotypical "90 pound weakling" back in grade school. Being teased about it motivated me to hit the gym. Now I can bench nearly twice my bodyweight and do 20+ pullups in a row.

>> No.5588765

>>5588755
> I'd never voice that in public

Of course I don't do that either. But I'm on an anonymous chinese cartoons image board.

>> No.5588769

>>5588758
you just mad you can't lose weight J. Wellington

>> No.5588770

>>5588731
>health cannot be enjoyed
well that's just untrue.

>> No.5588777

>>5588760
Yeah, that's still not a good way to go about enacting change in someone's behavior.

>> No.5588778

>>5588760

i think i remember you, are you the guy who claimed that being called "weakling" didn't have anything to do with your ego? yet being called a weakling motivated you to change?
if you're the same guy, then i realized something after our last exchange. if you don't associate the insult "weakling" with your ego, then it was not the abuse that motivated you to change. it was your own inner motivation--you did it for yourself.

you may have been teased and called names, but i think that you're mis-assigning the reason for your personal decision.

the only alternative to this situation is that you have become unhealthily obsessed with exercising to the point that it leaves a big gaping hole in your life, and if you couldn't do those 20+ pullups your entire sense of self would be shattered because you use bulking as a way to brush your lack of self worth under the rug.

>>5588765

behind which are real people that are affected by the things you say.

>> No.5588784

>>5588770

grade A++ job taking that utterly out of context. really.

>> No.5588786

>>5588686
you ever tried eating 6000 calories in a day, faggot?

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5588790

>>5588704
>i need therapy to quit eating ice cream

No, you don't. Just put down the spoon you fat fuck.

>but i'll do drugs or go shopping or have sex instead

Quit being so weak willed, there is absolutely no reason for it. The only reason you're fat or would do any of that shit is because you have no self control.

>> No.5588791

>>5588703
and there it is. this is now a self-loathing thread for OP to work out his issues.

>> No.5588793

>>5588778

yep, that was me. same guy.

>>it was your own inner motivation--you did it for yourself.

Well of course. I mean, I was the one who went to the gym and did something about it. But the trigger which started that process was other people pointing out the problem.

I'm not saying that every overweight person would have the same reaction to being called a fatty, but I'm sure that at least some of them might. I suppose you could say I'm nitpicking the claim that "shaming never works". I'm saying "shaming sometimes works".

>>the only alternative to this situation

Why do you think of things in only black and white? Only this option or the other option? People are different. We don't all react the same way. There aren't just one or two options, there are countless options.

>> No.5588795

You just gotta be proud of who you are!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCMDooZgeYA

>> No.5588800

>>5588777

I didn't say it was a good way. I was simply pointing out that it's not always ineffective.

>> No.5588802

>>5588786

That wasn't the point of the post at all.

>> No.5588806

>>5588722
He would be hypocritical if he was justifying himself being fat and staying in a lifestyle that kept him fat while insulting you at the same time for it. He said that he hated that about himself and is actively changing it, so it's not hypocritical at all.

>> No.5588812

>>5588778
> behind which are real people that are affected by the things you say.

I hope so. Do you really come to 4chan (and a thread like this) and expect your feelings to be respected?

Also lol at this >>5588791 guy. Yeah man you definitely uncovered my clever disguise. I'm also Obama AND Putin, messin' with ya to divert your attention while I hide one sock of every pair from your drawer.

>> No.5588815

>>5588793

okay... your situation aside. because if you claim that being abused helped you, not only am i in no position to argue with you, but this isn't about you... so stop making it about you.

MOST people do not respond positively to shame. whether or not it worked for you, it does not work for most. mentioning it only brings the conversation back to you. it serves no greater purpose.

in other words, no, you are not guaranteed to get eaten alive if you swim near a school of sharks. but i would still advise against swimming with sharks. i would not use the guy who got out alive as a role model.

>> No.5588823

>>5588651
lost 70lbs in less than a year and kept it off for 3.
the only people who can't lose weight aren't worthy of being considered people

>> No.5588824

>>5588642
because I'm an alcohol

>> No.5588825

>>5588815
You're right that this has nothing to do with me, except as a counter-example to the claim that it "never" works.

>>MOST people do not respond positively to shame

Fair enough.

>mentioning it only brings the conversation back to you.

>> No.5588844
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5588844

>>5588812

>> No.5588855

>>5588824
THIS HOLY SHIT.
Hey, kids, learn a lesson from this old fart. If you're a drinker, once you get past 30, you're going to pile on the weight. Plus, your metabolism slows down, which also fucks you. Plus your hormones (both in males and females) change, which can also fuck you. Anyway, point is, don't be an alcoholic, for many reasons.

>> No.5588867

Whenever I read these threads I want to see what people like

>>5588655
>>5588683
>>5588703
>>5588758
>>5588790
>>5588823

look like. I'm fairly sure you guys are very very very sad people-

>> No.5588881

>>5588867
And I'm sure you impart the gravitational pull of a small moon or asteroid

>> No.5588902

>>5588823
>kept it off for 3.
so you aren't a person?

>> No.5588903

>>5588742
>implying shaming does any good

It only builds resentment and reinforces depression. This is true of shaming over overeating, alcohol, drugs, whatevs. It just doesn't work.

>> No.5588904

>being proud of being third world

>> No.5588911
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5588911

>>5588686
>Hold on guys I'm just going to sit down for a 4 hour meal.

Theres no way I could eat 6k calories in one day, 3k is a chore. I'd realize I am out 500 calories, brb eating a cup of mayonaise, bleh. Or another chunk of peanut butter.

I suppose if you want to drink mass gainers with god knows what in them (I love aspartame!), but if you don't eat like shit, it's a fucking challenge. My easiest day was when I went to KFC fucking 3k no problem. The issue for eating more calories is I'm not even hungry at the start of the day. 9 times/10 it makes eating a chore rather than something I like. I just hover at 130lbs indefinitely it seems.

I find with my fat friends their sweet tooth is different from mine. I can think something is disgustingly sweet, and they go "mmm tastes perfect!" I don't get it how can they not taste as much sugar as I am tasting. I think fatties main weakness is sugary foods, it seems they will eat candy on the sly as a snack.

>guy btw :3

>> No.5588914

>There are actually people defending the fatasses that choose to be miserable and make everyone around them miserable

>> No.5588915

>>5588902
No I lived in a shit household with fat asses. I made no personal decisions and soon as I moved out of the house where I was able to decide what I ate, I lost weight.

TL;DR: You're a sad fat person

>> No.5588919

>>5588915
>the house where I was able to decide what I ate

Wait a sec. when you lived in a shit household with fatasses, did they force a specific diet upon you?

>> No.5588920

>>5588902
I guess he meant he's lost the weight and 3 months have passed

>> No.5588922

>>5588911
It's incredibly easy. Cooking fats, butter, alcohol, pork, cheese, sausage, bagels, etc.

>> No.5588923

>>5588915
So you have zero value as an individual and can't manage to think for yourself?

>> No.5588924

>>5588919
He sounds like a teenager who lived at home.

>> No.5588926

>>5588746
fat fuck detected

>> No.5588927

I'm a fat fuck, but in the past few months my desire to eat and my appetite has diminished drastically. I'm not sure what it is, but it's awesome. I've already lost 15 lbs in two months, and I started on adderall recently for unrelated reasons, which only makes me less hungry. I've also started dance again and I walk everywhere now. Feels good man.

>> No.5588930

>>5588911
>alcohol
>healthy

:/ Yea I'll just eat 800 calories of butter, that is balanced. You missed to part where I'm not eating like shit.

>> No.5588931

>>5588923
You're just mad that I was fat and lost the weight and you can't

Damn nigga it ain't hard

>> No.5588937

>>5588642
>people that actually "struggle to stop smoking"

Is there anything more pathetic than this? How fucking hard is it to stop inhaling smoke?

>> No.5588938

>>5588931
You sound like a former NEET who cleaned out his parents fridge daily.

>> No.5588953

>>5588937
Former heavy smoker here. Not very hard.

>> No.5588958

>>5588938
Even if I was, I ain't fat anymore.
It's not hard to lose weight.
There is no excuse for being overweight. Literally none.

>> No.5588959

>>5588915
it's called puberty
you're skinny because all your time is spent masturbating and coming up with new ways to be edgy. hopefully down the line you'll kill yourself.

>> No.5588962

>>5588958
>It's easy for me to lose weight.
>So therefore it must be easy for everyone to lose weight.

>> No.5588965

>>5588959
work a fulfilling job, don't masturbate cuz not foreveralone since I lost weight.
damn nigga you're defensive of the fatfuck lifestyle

>> No.5588971

>>5588958
>be 18 get kicked out of parents house and forced to lose weight because lolmoney
>"hurr its so easy to lose weight guys like seriously my case is indicative of all other cases"
Not everything is black and white champ. Good for you I guess.

>> No.5588974

>>5588962
It literally is easy to lose weight. Just stop eating so much

>> No.5588975

>>5588971
>18
he probably got kicked out at 13 but tells people he ran away.

>> No.5588977

>>5588974
>It's easy for me to lose weight.
>So therefore it must be easy for everyone to lose weight.

>> No.5588978
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5588978

>>5588867
>Projecting

>> No.5588983

>>5588977
Explain to me why it is difficult for you, personally, to lose weight, without resorting to arguments like "food is good" and "i can't stop stuffing my face".

>> No.5588988

>>5588931
I've been underweight my entire life.

People do reply to posts at random, you know.

>> No.5588989

so many fat fucks are mad because people are telling them to put down the third burger
it's laughable

>> No.5588991

>>5588988
prove it
pics or it didn't happen

>> No.5588992

>getting this booty blasted over freedom
I think you belong on reddit

>> No.5588993

>>5588989
most people in this thread probably aren't fat. they're mad because you are the definition of summer 4chan.

>> No.5588997

>>5588642
Just fucking do drugs if you guys have that much trouble losing weight

Amphetamines/ADHD medicine will kill your appetite and even weed has a long-term diatric effect due to dopamine depletion and changes to the autonomic nervous system.

That's why most stoners are skinny fucks

>> No.5589002

>>5588997
Summer /b/ trash in one comment.

>> No.5589003

>>5588855
>>5588824
This scares me deeply

I already know that I would be skinny as fuck if I cut out alcohol, but the thought of becoming a blimp due to my drinking habits continuing into my old age is down right frightening

>> No.5589005

>>5589002
you're pretty adament about summerfags
therefore you must be the real summerfag as no one has brought them up before you

gb2/b

>> No.5589006

It is VERY difficult to eat less food. Food is a glorious pleasure, and to eat less food is forcing me to enjoy less pleasure.

Thankfully my addiction hasn't gotten me obese. I am at a normal weight of 135 pounds.

I completely understand people who say they have difficulty eating less.

>> No.5589011

>>5588815
This guy is logical and rational. I like this guy.

>> No.5589022

>>5589006

I don't really get it though. I mean, we all have impulses and desires: we see something we want, but we don't steal it. we deal with assholes but we don't sock them in the face. we see a beautiful woman or man but don't rape them. we might desire to tell off an annoying relative or acquaintance but we don't because that would be impolite. we do things that we'd rather not (like brush our teeth) because that shit is important. so why can we not limit ourselves to sensible portions? It's obvious that human beings have control over their "animal instincts", so why is this so different?

>> No.5589028

>>5589022
because people bitch when you remind them of their ability to do something trying
it's easier for them to lie to themselves and say 'hurrdurr mah genetics, hurr durr mah thigh-roid'
than to put forth the effort to actually eat less (which is the opposite of effort but fatties gon' fat)

>> No.5589033

>>5589022
Because eating another slice of cake is much easier and less immedietely destructive to your life than to commit crimes.

Are you really comparing overeating to rape? Really?

>> No.5589034

>>5588978
>nuh uh must be YOU! ha, im so original and quick-witted, i just wish i could breathe through my nose

>> No.5589035

>>5589006

>>5588927 here
I used to feel that way, and I used to stress eat like crazy (I also ate huge meals and snacked all the time), but after a while, I decided it wasn't worth it. I would feel horribly guilty and occasionally have panic attacks and breakdowns, so while food is delicious, it isn't worth the emotional roller coaster and self-loathing.

Once you start eating less (with a balanced diet), you become satisfied on less. All it takes is getting into the right habits.

>> No.5589036

>>5589006
>to eat less food is forcing me to enjoy less pleasure
10/10 oh god my sides

>> No.5589041

>>5589035
>stress eat
not directing this comment at you, but this made me realize how little i understand "stress eating"

>oh no i have problems that i should deal with
>better eat some cake

i mean, i get that eating can be a comforting experience, but the actual thought process makes no fucking sense to me. then again i suppose if people were thinking logically they wouldn't be doing it in the first place...

>> No.5589044

>>5589033

so your point is that the consequences of overeating aren't immediately significant? that's actually a pretty good point.

>>Are you really comparing overeating to rape?

I listed examples where people face and overcome their animalistic urges: food and fuck are both pretty damn high on the list. Would the point have been clearer if instead of rape I said "drool over in public"? or "masturbate furiously while leering at"? OFC there's a huge difference between rape and inhaling another hamburger. but both are examples of the rational human being losing control over their primal urges. that was the point, not the magnitude of their respective sins.

>> No.5589046

>>5589041
it's not even a thought process
imagine it like how smokers often deal with stress by reaching for a cigarette
an imediate pleasure/'need' fulfilment to take the mind away temporarily from the actual matters at hand

>> No.5589060

I don't understand how people get fat. I like to think I eat fairly normally, I have three meals a day, breakfast is usually either cereal or a full english, lunch is usually soup with bread, egg and chips or baked sweet potato with butter and pepper and dinner tends to be a vary too much but is usually something with a carb base like rice or pasta.

I've never counted calories in my entire life and yet I seriously struggle to put on weight, at one point I had a BMI of 16~ and my doctors kept insisting I try to increase, I managed to get it to 19 but can't get it any higher, I literally can't shovel any more food into my stomach during meal times or I'll feel physical discomfort and eating regular well-portioned meals means I don't feel hungry enough to snack inbetween.

So, how do people get so fat? How can someone physically manage to eat enough food to get fat? I don't understand it, here I am at 55kg struggling to put on an extra 5 to get to my weight goal and then there's other people who pile on the pounds with no difficulty at all.

>> No.5589061

>>5589046
Kind of like you do when posting on your internet connections? I'm a smoker, sometimes I do, sometimes I don't, it's fun sometimes and I don't a fuck about others opinions about it.

Do be annoying looking at yourself, I suspect you to be a complete hippocrite.

>> No.5589063

>>5589060

Try staying with a fat family for a few days, you'll figure it out. The kinds of things they take for granted would make you scream.

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>>5589041
Yeah everyone's minds work differently.

Every individual experiences life in a slightly different way based on their upbringing and genetics.

Personally if I am stressed, eating is the last thing on my mind, though I know quite a few people who stuff their faces during stress.

>>5589044
Yeap, it is not immediately destructive and brings only a seemingly harmless pleasurable feeling.

>>5589035
Can confirm, the "you crave less after you eat less" part. I used to have to eat a whole pizza before I felt satisfied. After training myself to eat less, even just one slice of pizza and I feel happy. Its really great. Feels like my stomach has shrunk.

>> No.5589067

>>5589061
dude did I say that all smokers do it all the time?
You're so ready to be attacked it's laughable.
Go smoke another pack for me bud, die quicker :^)

>> No.5589069

>>5589041
>>5589035
I have like the opposite of stress eating, when I'm sad, worried, stressed or any negative emotion really my desire to eat goes out the window and if I try to eat I fill up super fast and never manage to finish anything. Luckily it doesn't happen too often.

>> No.5589071

>>5589069
same here. when i get anxious or nervous, i immediately lose my appetite even if i was starving beforehand.

>> No.5589075

>>5589067
I'll smoke another pack and I bet that I'll live longer than you and your hippocrite pack of judgemental freakjobs.

Cheers cunt!

>> No.5589081

>>5589060

Skinny guy here, always have been. I think you might have nailed it with your comment:

>>I eat fairly normally, I have three meals a day

I grew up in the states but by parents were European. I was raised with strict table manners: every meal was eaten together as a family on a consistent time. Everybody was at the table together and nobody left until everyone was done, unless you were in the hospital. Every meal was home-cooked except for the rare special event (birthday, anniversary, etc.). I'm in my late 30's now but that has stuck with me. I eat every meal at the kitchen or dining room table. I don't snack. I only eat out if on a business trip or special occasion. I find this has helped me maintain a healthy weight because I find compulsive snacking, etc, to be completely foreign. It just feels weird to be eating somewhere than at the dinner table. It's wrong. It doesn't work. I won't do it.

In contrast, many of my American friends think nothing of grabbing extra food when they happen to walk by a restaurant. If someone offers them something outside of mealtime they're happy to take it. They eat while in front of the TV or while watching a movie or god help us, in the damn car. I'd say it's pretty easy to overeat if you are willing to eat anytime, anywhere, even if you've already had your meals for the day.

>> No.5589084

>>5589075

nobody was judging bro, just giving an example of how SOME smokers (not necessarily you) behave. they weren't talking about you.

>> No.5589089

>>5589081
fellow american here. my parents were american as fuck, but we also had consistent meal time. i remember as a kid, my friends always asking me why i had to be home for dinner every night, and i was always pissed that i had to be there. but i guess i'm glad they did it now.

however i give no fucks where i eat now. snacks barely exist to me, though.

>> No.5589096

>>5589089
I came from a chinese family. 3 meals a day, rice vegetables meat, pretty much nothing at all inbetween these meals. Though occasionally we would have after-dinner supper where we go out and buy a greasy ass burger from the night market.

When I moved out and lived on my own in a european country, I would snack all the time and would always have sweets and snacks available. It feels like weight gain in white-dominant country is easier, especially when eating isn't controlled by parents.

Gained 10 kilos since I left home 4 years ago.

>> No.5589100

>>5589096
>especially when eating isn't controlled by parents.
...wouldn't that be the case anywhere? children generally aren't well informed enough to create a very good diet for themselves

>> No.5589101

>why don't you just like... don't take drugs anymore?
>why don't you just stop gambling? You just have to not spend money.
>why don't you just stop being an alcoholic? just like don't drink lol
Nice thread i like it.

>> No.5589103

>>5589101
all reasonable questions to ask. if fatties would just do what i do when people tell me to stop drinking, i'd stop questioning them.

>i enjoy it and don't give a shit about my health you faggot

>> No.5589104

>>5588703
>distinct lack of willpower
because of
>with serious mental issues
You answered your question yourself, fatty.

>> No.5589109

>>5588642
Why is this obvious troll thread allowed?

>> No.5589127

>>5589109
first day on this board?

>> No.5589157

>>5588686
It's really not. Yeah the people who claim to eat that many calories a day are full of shit, but NOT EATING is easier to do than eating simply because eating can be a chore while not eating just takes a little restraint.

If given the task, I'd much more easily go a day without eating than trying to fully consume 3000+ calories in one day.

>> No.5589165

>>5588824

I'm an alcoholic too, I drink a handle of vodka in 2 days. I'm 5'9 and I weigh 140. I'm not one of the alcoholics that just doesn't eat either, ironically I'm actually very meticulous about my food intake and track my calories (but not from alcohol).

alcohol calories can't be as simple as we think they are or I'd be fat as hell

>> No.5589170

>>5589157

I'm not fat but I personally feel like eating excessively (unless you're talking about an absurd amount of calories, like the 6000 the other guy mentioned) is significantly easier than not eating. Unless I'm busy, then I can (and frequently do) go half a day or more without eating, although I'm miserable.

>> No.5589172

>>5588684
>at least not to any significant degree (lel 200 calorie different, oh boy)
A difference of 200 kcal each day is fucking massive. If you put two people on the same exact diet, with the same levels of activity, and assuming 1 pound of fat = 3500 kcal (which is admittedly a poor estimate, but it is still useful here), the person burning 200 kcal more each day will be nearly 21 pounds lighter at the end of a year. Let's say it takes 35,000 kcal to produce one pound of fat (which is an extremely ridiculous overestimation, but will provide us with an upper bound, and help account for things like the increase in metabolic rate with the increase in weight). After one year, the difference is ~2.1 pounds. Every 10 years, the difference grows by nearly 21 pounds. Crazy, huh? But what most likely happens is that the people with higher metabolic rates, thanks to their genetics, are simply able to binge more often (I'm sure we all have a hungry skeleton friend that constantly stuffs his fat fuck face with junk food), while the people with lower rates have to abstain more often (the seemingly large number of fat people that just can't seem to lose weight, no matter how hard they try). Obviously, it's not so black and white, but yes, differences in genetics can play a significant factor in weight gain/loss, especially when coupled with modern society (instant access to massive quantities of cheap, addictive food).

>> No.5589182

>>5589084
I'm gonna smoke a whole pack of Marlboros and down a bottle of Pyrate rum, I'll outlive you, that's the fun part.

Sometimes this shit doesn't matter.
Genetics helps.

>> No.5589185

>>5589172

I still wouldn't consider that to be significant, also that study was done with both men and women so the difference between individuals of the same gender is much smaller than 200 on average.

Either way it's not why some people are fat and others are skinny, which is how people look at it (omg you can eat anything you want and stay skinny, I look at a piece of bread and gain 20lbs etc)

>> No.5589197

>>5589172
>differences in genetics can play a significant factor in weight gain/loss

Not really. It's less than one sigma variation for 95% of the population. For the vast majority of people "metabolic rate differences" might not even exist. There's been several good studies on this recently, check out the one out of Japan.

>> No.5589207

>>5589197
you can't get fatties to let go of their fat logic
it's impossible
just as hard as getting them to put down their excess food

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>>5588790
I don't think you get how mental illness works

>> No.5589213

>>5588824

Switch from beer or cocktails to wine or liquor. Lift weights and count calories. It's not ideal but it'll definitely help.

You're fat most likely because of the carbs in beer or in the soda you mix your drinks with, plus the large pizza you probably eat at 4AM because you're drunk.

>> No.5589233

>>5589060
>can't shovel any more food into my stomach during meal times or I'll feel physical discomfort
Your problem is that you are SO used to eating small portions that your stomach is small. If you increase your food intake to the point of very slight discomfort and keep it that way for a few weeks you'll get used to it. Fatties are people who have taken this too far and have stomachs the size of your chest.

Or, to be more general, you have bad eating habits and don't have the willpower to gradually change them enough for long enough to feel normal at a normal weight.

>> No.5589236

im right and everyone else is stupid

>> No.5589239

when I was a kid I was about 250 fat, my parents always had junk food, mom to busy to cook, step dad wouldn't cook. I was 10 with no knowledge how to cook. bam easy microwave hot pockets for dinner.got fat, got a job, parents botched when I got my own food, bitched when I cooked my own food because it was healthy and step dad didn't want to eat it. abusive step dad threw a hissy fit everyone I cooked. started eating pockets again cuz easy. moved out eating right, exercising, losing weight, wow. shocker. all this extra skin doe :(

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>>5589212
It's made up like burning witches.

>> No.5589268

If it was easy to lose weight every one would do it. Perhaps other factors contribute besides just deciding to eat less?

>> No.5589274

>>5589060

leptin/ghrelin levels

you are less hungry than the average person

>> No.5589276

>>5589241
wait are you claiming that mental illness isn't real?

>> No.5589298

>>5589276
I'm claiming that it's full of shit and crap made up by doctors to keep their jobs.

if there's a physical deficiency fine, but that's a very low %age. Most assholes are out gaming the government for money, and the government knows that uses it to tax people. It's a game.

I've worked for health care companies and big corporations, you should see how they game CMS and such, and the government wants to be gamed, it keeps them in business.

>> No.5589305

>>5589298

Not him but it being a sometimes exploitative industry doesn't make mental illness not real. I'm not saying that mental illness is the primary factor in obesity but it is the case for some people, particularly trauma survivors.

>> No.5589306

>>5588642
>Is there anything more pathetic than this? How fucking hard is it to eat less food?

It must be nice being you. Seriously? Fucking kill yourself. I'm quite literal about that. Slice your wrists. Laterally if possible.

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5589323

>>5589298
>this nigga is serious

>> No.5589329

Former obese guy here. I am not going to lie i use to eat snack cakes and sweets just because it was there and i was bored. It is really easy to lose weight tho just start eating foods with more fiber/nutrition and lower calories than your shitty processed junk foods. There is nothing wrong with eating snack cakes but you have to stop eating empty calories in your daily diet and eat more nutritious foods. If you find at the end of the day you are not at your caloric goal you can eat your shitty food once in a while. I am losing 2lbs a week and i still eat pizza, burgers/fries and other shitty foods you just have to count calories and eat below your maintenance.

>> No.5589343

>>5589306
fattttttty detected holy shit rage

>> No.5589388

No one will admit that there are innumerous confounding factors in weight gain and weight loss so this discussion is pointless.

>> No.5589458

>>5588696
>will doesn't have to do with quality of character

Yes it does.

>> No.5589459

>>5589388
everyone admits that. they just don't consider those factors legitimate, outside of a few that only apply to a small percentage of the population.

>> No.5589475

The worst is my family. They say eat protein and say how it will burn off the fat. I told them you have to workout for the protein to be effective otherwise you'd get fatter.
>We know that etc.
I'm making protein shake with milk.
They use my protein for milkshakes with icecream.
They go to the gym and only use the fucking elliptical
>It works everything!!
I'm eating dinner, mom adds a fuckton of ghee to my curry.
>It makes you stronger and you'll get big muscles
Ghee if put in large amounts overwhelms the flavour of whatever you're eating. Its like eating burnt candle wax.
Still love them to death but they can be so agitating.

>> No.5589476

>>5589388

didn't >>5588684 address this early in the thread?

>> No.5589481

>>5589388

unless someone has a medical condition, which are rare and which actually have a much smaller effect on weight than people seem to think (for example I have hashimotos, I gained like 5lbs and my doctor said that people do not tend to gain more than 5-10% of their body weight from it), then it's either due to hormones (primarily genetic), or trauma (people subconsciously get fat to keep others away)

>> No.5589484

I love food. So much.

>> No.5589485

>>5589481

and by hormones I mean the "hunger" hormones (leptin/ghrelin), in that they make you more likely to overeat because you are more hungry

>> No.5589491

>That great feel when slightly chubby and eating as much food as I once
Obese people are gross. Thin people are gross. In-shape people are either normal or annoying pieces of shit. Slightly chubby is where it's ad.

>> No.5589494

>>5589475
You will not get fat from eating large amounts of protein. Where did you get this misinformation. The only thing that determines if you get fat or not is a caloric surplus.

>> No.5589498

>>5589491
Why are you happy with being out of shape.

>> No.5589502

>>5589491

maybe if you're builtfat, skinnyfat just looks bad

>> No.5589509

>>5589498
Why would I be happy with being in shape? It literally offers no benefits other than being able to look down on others. I'm fit enough for a bit of light backpacking or a short run, and that basically covers all the athletic skills I actually need or will ever make use of.

>>5589502
>Great feel when

>> No.5589512

>>5588703
You are now one of those people who seem to think they are a registered dietician diagnosing everyone as lazy and fat murricans, Go fuck yourself you European poofter like your country is better in terms of better food. FUCK OFF

>> No.5589517

>>5589494
>caloric surplus.

Right. And protein is 4 calories a gram. So if you eat so much protein that you have a caloric surplus you will get fat.

>> No.5589518

>>5589509

>It literally offers no benefits other than being able to look down on others

what

>>5589512
not that guy but
>tfw RD
>tfw alcoholic

I'm such a hypocrite

>> No.5589522

>>5589518
>what
Thank you for continuing the discussion with your well thought out arguments.

>> No.5589525

>>5589170
Well perhaps gaining weight for a thin person is around the same level of difficulty as losing weight for a fat person in that if the problem is appetite related, those who have none struggle to eat while those who have an overbearing one struggle to abstain from eating too much.

Maybe the issue is people take extreme approaches in trying to recover and quickly give up after determining it was too hard. Such as starving themselves/trying to gorge on too much food and making yourself feel sick as opposed to increasing /decreasing your caloric intake gradually.

>> No.5589529

>>5589525
>Well perhaps gaining weight for a thin person is around the same level of difficulty as losing weight for a fat person in that if the problem is appetite related, those who have none struggle to eat while those who have an overbearing one struggle to abstain from eating too much.
Oh fuck off.

>> No.5589533

>>5589509
You can be fit and feel good about your body and health without looking down on others.

>> No.5589534

>>5589517

Yeah, but you'd have to eat a ton of meat to get inordinate amounts of protein without taking powders. I had 3.5 chicken breasts today, which is a generous 187g of Protein, but that is still only about 1000 calories.

And if you've ever eaten 3 and a half chicken breasts, you'd know that shit makes you so full you don't want to eat for hours afterwards.

>> No.5589535

>>5589529
There is no reason to be upset, friend.

>> No.5589536

>>5589517
Ok smart ass you can eat like 200g of protein from lean chicken and it will only be like ~900 calories. That is not alot of calories for how much you have to eat.

>> No.5589540

>>5589533
I'm chubby and feel good about my body and my health without looking down at others, that's not a benefit of being fit.

>> No.5589546

>>5589540
It is a benefit of being fit if being fit is what you personally desire. You're happy with how you are and that's fine.

>> No.5589574

>>5588703
I don't get this at all. I normally eat 3000-3500 calories a day. I only do light cardio and have recently started weightlifting to hopefully break out of skellymode but I've always straddled the line between underweight and lower healthy weight. Why do people act like 3000 a day is a lot?

>> No.5589578

>>5588642
I can honestly say its hard for me to lose fat (weight doesnt matter) and I honestly have no idea why. My metabolism is stupidly slow I assume but skinny fucks will never have any idea what its like to go months eating no fats or sugar or any of that shit all while exercising and in the end only lose 5 pounds or not have your waistline go down. Go back to slamming down twinkies and laughing at fat people until you hopefully choke on one and die. Or just wait until you finally hit puberty and have your metabolism slow down and become what you are making fun of.

>> No.5589579

>>5589574
How tall are you? 3000 is a lot to most grills and shorter men.

>> No.5589580

>>5588704
>Ice cream is a quick trip to happy town, I just choose it as my poison instead of alcohol, drugs, excessive shopping, sex, etc.
>implying you have a choice on getting the sex

>> No.5589584

>>5588642
>caloric deficit master race reporting in
I always worked out, but kept carrying extra weight. Finally decided that enough was enough, and just fucking ate less food. Shockingly, I started to lose weight. And kept it off.
>>5588937
It is pretty pathetic. When I wanted to stop smoking,
>I just fucking stopped smoking.
Not hard at all to do.

>> No.5589587

>>5589574
Everyone weighs different and are not the same height. 3000 calories to someone that is 120 5'4 would be a lot. I don't see the need for someone to tell other people how much calories to eat without knowing their bmr.

>> No.5589589

YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG.

The type of food you eat does not matter. How many calories of food does matter. Buy a small scale, and weigh literally everything you eat. Use an app like MyFitnessPal to track every single calorie you consume. If you track it accurately and stick to your numbers you WILL lose weight.

>> No.5589592

>>5589579
5'11'' or 181 cm, so not that tall.

>> No.5589593

>>5588977
Actually, it literally can be one of the easiest things to do.
>fucking eat less
>seriously, you don't have to do anything
>in fact, you just do less of something
>literally, rather than going to the effort of eating so much
>fucking eat less
Pretty much sleeping is the only thing that's easier than not doing something.

>> No.5589594

Its genetic. Some people literally don't have to try. Some even gain muscle from eating more then usual, without even exercise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAQr77QMJiw

>> No.5589596

>>5589578
You are not losing weight because you aren't counting calories right. If you actually track every single thing you eat and eat at a 500-1000 calories defecit to your maintenance calories you will see your self losing 1-2 lbs a week no problem.

>> No.5589713

>>5589578
Being thin does not equal healthy. Those thinner people all don't have amazing metabolisms and i am sure a lot of them workout. So using this shit as a excuse for being 400 pounds. You just have to work harder, but you will be healthier cause you actually have to make your body into what you want it to be. Soon you will be laughing when they hit the wall where their shitty eating habits catch up with them.

>> No.5589729

>All these people claiming they can't lose weight.

I was 230lbs now I'm 129 lbs, shit isn't hard just watch what you eat stop.

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>>5588642
I have trouble gaining weight. I've stayed at 110 pounds for 5 straight years and it hasn't fluctuated at all.

Maybe I have a tapeworm...

>> No.5589770

>>5589578

>My metabolism is stupidly slow

no its not

>> No.5589777

>>5588642
I hate fat people. They are disgusting.

>> No.5589803

>>5589777
God trips confirm.

>> No.5589805

>>5588703
>BMI
>Counting calories

Those are both things done by stupid fat people

BMI: 25.1. Apparently, I am overweight, despite being lean and muscular. I am also eating chocolate covered ice cream. I had some cake earlier. Should I count my calories? Do you think that will lower my BMI? Is that something that is good? Being a skeleton?

God I hate fat people and their stupid ideas of how to not be fat. Let's count calories everyday for the rest of my life. I'm sure you have the willpower and math abilities to do that. Oh wait, of course you don't. That's why you are fat in the first place.

Oh I know! I'll go to an intense 6-week bootcamp taught by some unqualified hot chick. Ooops, wrecked my knees doing exercises my body wasn't ready for. If anyone asks why I'm fat I'll just tell them I have bad knees. They'll probably feel so bad they'll buy me cake!.

Oh wait! I know I'll go buy some supplements that Dr. Oz told me were magic. The trip over to the supplement store will be more exercise than I got all week! Oh my god they have a chewable version of Garcinia Cambogia and it's sugar free? No HFCS? What a miracle!

In summation, fatness is a weakness of the mind and you fats should not be allowed to have children.

>> No.5589807

>>5588760
20 pullups isn't very impressive when you are 90 lbs.

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>>5588744
>~100lb overweight coworker breaks out a tupperware full of salad, probably 1/2 head
>another coworker asks sup?
>she says that shes trying to lose weight
>room is silent, eyes are laughing with 1/4 bottle of ranch or blue cheese is poured on
>coworker says, "ya know, cows eat nothing but grass"
>room somehow got quieter, dammit albert.

>> No.5589817

>>5589770
thin people dont slam down twinkies you fucking idiot

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>>5589172
>are simply able to binge more often (I'm sure we all have a hungry skeleton friend that constantly stuffs his fat fuck face with junk food)

Oh that's horse shit, I binge eat like maybe once a week. Fat people binge more like every other day, on top of the soda which they drink like its water..... Take the soda out of your hand, you'll see a difference.

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>>5589817
that's not necessarily true. 1 twinkie is only 150 calories. one could potentially slam down a few of them as part of their daily caloric intake without ever gaining any weight, so long as they're meticulous in counting those calories.

pic related

>> No.5589830

>>5589589
>what are ketone bodies?

type kinda sorta matters, but yes - the bottom line is calorie in/calorie out, you cannot gain weight in a deficit, not by drug, disease or condition.

the people saying bullying isn't a good form of motivation are probably fat and too lazy to get not fat. Do you think there is a reason scrawny stop getting bullied after he bulked?

>> No.5589832

small people

>> No.5589839

>>5589817

I don't see how that contradicts what I said at all

I'm saying that you being fat has nothing to do with your metabolism

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>>5589815
Fatties are going to be a huge drain on society when you combine them with all the aging baby boomers. Maybe you don't feel it now in your 20s, but I am sure its going to be a steep downhill when your joints give out. Not to mention the huge increase in chronic disease.

This fat acceptance is going to hurt us as a society.

>TAX THE FAT!

>>5589815
That woman.....

>> No.5589846

>>5588911
If you have a blender, I found smoothies to be a good way to ingest food in the mornings. Try something easy like a tablespoon or 2 of peanut or almond butter, handful of spinach, some frozen berries (blueberry worked good), a bananna, and then some almond milk. I think it comes out to around 2 10oz glasses.

Throw avocado in your salads, in your tacos, on your burgers, as a snack in itself.

Get some of your favorite nuts in bulk, roast them with what ever spices you feel like, and grab a handful every time you go into your kitchen for a glass or water or anything else. Make sure that this becomes a mindless habit.

Introduce more dairy in your diet if you are fine with it (but not in smoothies, usually too big for one sitting and dairy doesn't keep well in it)

More fats in your diet. Instead of a grilled chicken salad, make chicken salad (chicken, mayo, mustard, celery, green onion,spices you like, and add bacon fuck it) to top your salad.

Eat more pasta/grains/quinoa/rice.

>> No.5589851

>>5588823
>having 70 lbs to lose to begin with
>literally takes 70lbs back in 3 month

you are fooling nobody, hamplanet.

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>>5589846
I have a vitamix at home, and I used to cram so many calories into my morning shake. After about 3 months I was pushing 134 on just a huge smoothie for breakfast. the weirdest thing started to happen it started to give me serious cramps. The weirdest thing. I am getting back into this routine, I have omitted the raw nuts from my shakes as I though this might be doing it. The uncooked nuts are harder to digest I believe.

I will have to give the almond butter a try, peanut butter overwhelms everything, so i get bored of it fast. I wonder if the almonds are toasted first.

I have never thought about toasting my own nuts in different spices (my own spices) I am definitely going to have to give that a try. Maybe ill take a trip to bulk barn tomorrow.

Thats interesting you mention not putting dairy in a smoothie, I always do, usually greek yogurt, homo milk. almond milk is like 35 calories a serving, so i always feel bad putting it into smoothies.

I really wish I could hit that 140lb mark. I would be totally satisfied with that. Thanks anon.

>> No.5589869

>>5588823
I'd rather be encased in fat than sharp edges like you are.

>> No.5589885

what's a simple way to figure out how many calories i burn daily? i work in a warehouse but have no idea what that kind of work contributes to my calorie output. do most people just try to go for a goalpost caloric intake and judge how much they're burning from there? i am a idiot