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Why all the hate?

I personally like him. I want to understand why most others don't.

>> No.5373213

He's kind of a pretentious douche.

>> No.5373216

>>5373213
>kind of
World's largest understatement

>> No.5373225

I've always found him to be quite open minded. He usually acknowledges the value of culture outside of his own, then gives his honest opinion.

>> No.5373229

I would trade my life for his, without a doubt.

Lots of jealousfags around here.

>> No.5373237

actually, not bad. simple stuff done right.and sometimes says a lot of stuff that others are afraid to say. not a bad guy. still, all equal,I would not pay huge bucks in one of his restaurants apples and oranges. at least he seems honest.pretty rare, no matter how you like steak cooked.

>> No.5373268

>>5373213
Same can be said for pretty much every single chef in the world. As well as the entirety of this board, myself included.

>> No.5373277

im personally fond of him, but i can definitely see where the hate comes from, especially with 4chan folks. "oh he thinks hes still so cool, but hes just some washed up yuppie sell out like the rest of them"

>> No.5373290

He's a pretentious asshole... he blows off food just because it was made healthily, and he discredits vegetarianism just because the food won't taste as good.

>> No.5373304

>>5373290
Okay? Because it typically won't. You sound pretentious as fuck.....

>> No.5373317

>>5373213
fuck you, sorry was that too pretentious?

>> No.5373337

Can anyone here describe their disdain for Bourdain without using the word pretentious?

I feel that word is used quite generously here without due merit to its true meaning.

>> No.5373344

>>5373304
What's pretentious is prioritizing taste which can be emulated over sentient life and our environment.

>> No.5373357

>>5373344
He is usually honest about that, which is why some of us like him, regardless of if we genuinely agree with his personal preferences or not.

What good is someone who just suck everyone off and says everything is great no matter how shitty they really think it is?

>> No.5373365

>>5373337
I can't speak for everyone but I choose my words wisely in this case because I very rarely use that word.

Anthony Bourdain is pretentious. Whatever else you want to use to describe him isn't going to change that.

>> No.5373368

>>5373357
I'm not discrediting or attacking his honesty, though there are a million ways to say the truth. I'm attacking his viewpoints that he happens to be blunt about.

>> No.5373382

>>5373213
>pretentious

What do you think this word means?

>> No.5373390

>>5373337
He comes across as a self absorbed, proud, edgy wannabe Thompson and Burroughs burnout knows how to massage the typewriter and cook at the same time prick.

I honestly like him though.

>> No.5373398 [DELETED] 

Because it's a video blog. I don't know him, and I don't care about him. I don't give a shit about where he goes or his constant bleeps knowing that it's going to get bleeped.

He's a pretentious cunt that I don't care about. I'm not going to learn anything by watching any of his shows... therefore it's pointless to me. I have other things to do, like read 4chan /ck and wank to hot babes on /s.

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5373407

Beats me. I just finished reading "Medium Raw" and he's pretty upfront about selling out, about not being a chef anymore, and about how much of showbiz-cheffery pisses him off.

He doesn't seem to be pretending shit.

>> No.5373409

>>5373407
So little pate in that. ;_; why

>> No.5373414

Narcissistic chef who retired from cooking too early in his career.
Also, I don't like his writing.
But I don't like Steven King either, so I know I'm in the minority.
What's with all the people jumping on the defense? Fucking sycophants. Calm down.

>> No.5373416

>>5373209
the drunk likes mexican food to much.

>> No.5373417 [DELETED] 

>>5373407
So basically he's a cunt? Why would any normal person care? But you bought his book, do you suck his cock as well?

>> No.5373419

>>5373417
who says he bought it

>> No.5373420

I think he's cool. Sure, he might not be the best chef, but he makes a good host.

I want to say he's arrogant, but he admits his shortcomings. Huh. Pretentious isn't the right word IMO.

Food was a matter of survival, so of course health would be the top concern. However, these days taste is a bigger factor.

>> No.5373457

>>5373414
>Narcissistic chef who retired from cooking too early in his career.

not really?
I mean, he cooked for a while, and based on where he worked, he was never going to be as big as he is if he kept with it.
its his writing that got him famous, not his ability to cook.

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>>5373417
>buying books

>> No.5373462

>>5373417
>>5373419
>>5373458

>reading
>2014

>> No.5373463 [DELETED] 

>>5373419
He said he read it, it was an assumption to think he might have paid for it.

Don't be a cunt! Not being a theif fuck I assume that one would buy someone's book if they care enough.

>> No.5373468

http://www.grubstreet.com/2010/03/bourdain_rematches_safran_foer.html

Seems like an alright guy. I also wonder how many other chefs are on medication for cholesterol and blood pressure and whatever else. Gordon Ramsay's got to be on SOME drugs.

>> No.5373470 [DELETED] 

>>5373458
Yup, I buy books when possible. There's nothing like a nice book. Are you some apple fag?

>> No.5373474

>>5373407
he says it flat out.. he is to old to be a chef, hates the title chef, cause he is not one, still likes it though. and admits he sold out. and even asks wouldn't you in the same boots done the same.. dude is cool as fuck. He says shit as he sees it and isn't a dick about it and go off on a rampage the way ..say Gordon does.. hes like more relax about it.. someone you could grab a beer with or a smoke ,although i quit smoking when I had my daughter

>> No.5373483

>>5373463
You see, there are many varied and wondrous things to be found outside your mother's basement. Among these things are libraries. They acquire massive collections of books and lend them out, giving you the opportunity to read a book without purchasing it.

It's socialism, I know, but they're out there.

>> No.5373488

>>5373457
Okay. I'll agree with that.
But to me and my friends (at the time Kitchen Confidential came out) he made fun of sell out cooks like Bobby Flay and the Food Network at the time. We were livid that Emeril was taking over the channel with his shitty cooking show (to the point of burning an effigy of him one night (we were young (and drunk))). He sold himself as the "no bullshit" chef/cook who wouldn't sell out... and then he did. It was a major let down.
I mean, a guy's gotta make money, no shame in that, and I love watching Marco's Knorr videos with this in mind, but Anthony contradicted himself (lied, really) and he lost all our respect in doing that.
I don't hate him, he doesn't deserve that level of attention. I just think that he is full of shit and I dislike his prose/beat type of writing.

>> No.5373508

>>5373488
at the least, he admits his faults. and tells you he is a shill. so fuck you. also what happened to the other thread about tony. the guy who said he was said hello? it is gone. the answer to his question is. 'you were a creepy dude bothering him while he was talking to his friend, whilst picking up his daughter from ballerina class. so basically sorry if he wasn't in the mood to chit chat

>> No.5373532

>>5373508
Are you his spokesperson?
Go to bed, drunky.

>> No.5373558

>>5373532
you can say that. and dually noted, I had a little to much for this Easter.

>> No.5373569 [DELETED] 

>>5373508
Why would I care about him or his daughter... as I said it's a video blog with commercials. That means I have no interest in it.
Why the fuck would anyone give a fuck about his fucking daughter in ballerina class unless their creepy weirdos?

>> No.5373578

>>5373569
wait are the guy? and exactly.. there are weirdos. 'pastry' for captcha haah

>> No.5373614

>>5373558
:winky face
I'm just getting started with the drinks.

ORPHAN for captcha

>> No.5373626

>>5373213
He's always busting /his own/ balls. Constantly. In what way is he pretentious?

Did you see that episode of No Reservations where he goes back to the line at Les Halles?

He openly admits that he's too old, blind and dumb to still be doing real work.

>> No.5373631

>>5373209
He's a pompous asshole hipster magnet

>> No.5373636

>>5373237
>huge bucks

Full disclosure: I like his writing/TV shows.

He was never a Michelin rated haute cuisine guy. He was a tradesman, and I think he'd be the first to cop to that.

The last real restaurant he worked at was a French bistro type joint where bottles of wine are half price on Monday.

He's famous for his personality, and he even busts his balls over that, i.e. the countless references to '[my job] is not a real job', etc.

>> No.5373652

Bourdain is the real life version of the Dos Equis man.

>> No.5373683

>>5373626
>Did you see that episode of No Reservations where he goes back to the line at Les Halles?
Nope. Not a fanboy.

>> No.5373692

>>5373209
I don't give a shit, he's a loveable douche, and No Reservations is one of my favorite shows.
He knows he's an asshole and he admits it, but still manages to be humble and appreciative to the people that invite him into their company and can give some pretty fascinating and probing insights. Chill af, would get drunk and eat copious amounts of pork and tortillas with.

>> No.5373695

>>5373631

since you said it, I fucking despise everytime he says the word hipster, since he does it the same way you did: as a catch-all term to describe things you dislike.

>> No.5373702

>>5373695
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bkHZGtuLiI

>> No.5373703

>>5373692
>Why all the hate?
>I personally like him. I want to understand why most others don't.
NOT
>Do you like him?!
>OMG! Me too!!!
and NOT
>would get drunk and eat copious amounts of his dick.
GTFO fanboy.

>> No.5373711

>>5373703
Dude what the fuck did Anthony do to you?

>> No.5373834

>>5373711
My story begins here:
>>5373414
He sold his soul for rock and roll.
Like I said, but it bears repeating,
>>5373488

>> No.5373876

>>5373209
He tries to hard to make himself look like some sort of edgy badass when he's just a male chef. If he just acted normal he wouldn't seem like such a dbag.

>> No.5373893

>>5373876
be better as a mail chef?
if only he could act normal...
someday he'll get that route...

>> No.5373907

>>5373468
Almost all professional chefs are on cholesterol and/or blood pressue medication

>> No.5373918

>>5373907
Nope.That is bullshit. It's a fairy dream inside your head. You want it to be that way, but the fact is that professional chefs are actually cognizant of their intakes.
Kinda ruins it for you, doesn't it?
We don't eat OFF OF THE FUCKING MENU, you stupid twat.
Love youuuu....

>> No.5373922

>cuz he's a douche

what food lover isn't one? not a reason to hate him.

>discounts vegan vegetarian

he was just in india eating tons of meat-free food and admitting it was delicious

>> No.5373928

>>5373922
>admitting
what are you trying to say, fanboy?
he has to "admit" cultural foods' acceptance now?
Fucking wow.
I have new hate for him now.

>> No.5373938

>>5373922
I can't believe that he dissed on Indian food culture. Seems that he felt that if it contained meat of any source, that it wasn't "authentic".
I guess he would know, he is a werld travlr and self-proclaimed twat of everything and anything. God, I worship him, as a god. He's muh hairo.

>> No.5373943

>>5373918
I don't see very many good chefs who are fit.

>> No.5373951

>>5373943
You probably don't work in the industry? No offense, but... I'm fit. My sous is pretty fit. We could stand to lose a little bit, but we're not on display and we don't have television channels.

>> No.5373952

>>5373943
>fit
Going from "not fit" to being on cholesterol and/or blood pressure medication is a huge jump.

>> No.5373954

>>5373907
Where are you getting this data from?

>> No.5373968

>>5373951
That's 2 people. My friends who are chefs are all chubby dudes. I never really thought about it til now. Once again though, I'm not saying all chefs are unhealthy. Just most. From my experience. I'm not the poster who said they're all on cholesterol pills btw

>> No.5373980

>>5373968
That's cool. Your friends are fatties. No biggie. If they're cooks, it kinda goes with the territory.

>> No.5373994

>>5373209
he is knowledgable on food. he has traveled, tasted plenty of different foods, and developed a wider pallet than ours. he is allowed to be a big arrogant about food, at least i dont mind if he was. but i dont picture him relating all conversations to food. thats why i dont regard him as a douche. he is just a connoisseur of food. hell, i know my music better than everyone i know, so its bound to happen that i try to explain my taste to others. everything is subjective, but that doesnt mean most people wont agree that if someone has experienced more of something than someone else, its likely that they know more about the subject

>> No.5373995

So apparently admitting to being a shill and sellout makes it okay to be one now.

>> No.5373996

>>5373213
>pretentious
thats relative and subjective

>> No.5374007

>>5373225
Unusually enough. I find that also includes america subcultures. Usually "open minded" people snub on anything american that they don't actively participate in.

>> No.5374755

I like how for everybody here is dead set in their opinion of the man.

So far every negative thing people have said about him is demonstrably untrue, or something he has admitted being mistaken on.

>> No.5374811

He seems like a fun guy, I'd love to have a beer with him.
I thought he was great in No Reservations and Parts Unknown

>> No.5374829

I would have rather known him 7 years ago than now. He's even more jaded (if that's possible), and seems more stand - offish and haughty. That said, I've enjoyed his programs more than any others since back when I used to watch Julia Child and other classic chefs.

>> No.5374858

I don't think he's overly pretentious, I do like several aspects of his personality. However, he got this shallow rock & roll bubblegum negligence going which doesn't serve good/better/best food (or the people that want to learn about it) very well. I mean, sure "he gets it on the map", for 5 seconds, and few people will be inspired by him to actually try for themselves successfully.

>> No.5374903

It's pretty simple. If you're a TV chef, anyone with a soul cannot respect you.

>> No.5374906

>>5374903

But he's not a TV chef. He doesn't cook on TV. And whenever he discusses his career, he always refers to himself as a *cook* rather than some bigshot. He knows he's not one of the big boys.

>> No.5374969

>>5374906
exactly

>> No.5374975
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think whatever you want of the man, but if you could post this on your twitter.. you are a fucking awesome sun a bich

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>>5374975
Im, not impressed with, this Octopus. Garbage.

>> No.5375725

>>5375688
for him, that is the biggest smile you are going to get

>> No.5375775
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>>5375725
he does smile, but it is often mistaken as a snarl

>>5373209
He's OK
I still get the impression that he's a wannabe Jack Kerouac of food.

>> No.5375843

>>5373213

He's a quite literary fellow, honestly. Only his metaphors and witticisms are built upon American cultural references, rock music, and general extremism. He's an interesting guy. I find him a little overbearing sometimes, but he puts on a decent show, and is a pretty gracious guest in his travels.

I love when he's really in his element, like the French Laundry and Momofuku scenes. The Chicago episode is good too.

>> No.5375856

>>5373209
I wish he would just drop the whole im a punk rock chef from new york attitude. He only spent part of his life there and anyone who thinks The Ramones are the epitome of punk rock doesn't know what theyre talking about. On the other hand hes still likeable and interesting and No Reservations is one of the best Travel shows ever even if it is a little cheesey at times.

>> No.5375865 [DELETED] 

>>5373954
tv shows and stereotypes. All cooks are tattooed, hard drinking and smoking badasses with anger issues. Didnt you know? Blame Friends and Gordon Ramsay

>> No.5375867 [DELETED] 

>>5374975
Is there video? I wan't to hear Walken review the Octopus

>> No.5375888 [DELETED] 

>>5373337
the first season of No Reservations and before that show you can see why hes sort of annoying. He's really arrogant and thinks himself a cooking Hunter Thompson or something. He's that kid you went to high school with that thinks he's cool because he smokes cigarettes. Later on though after he actually achieved fame and got older hes mellowed out and gotten a lot humbler.

>> No.5375924

In his first book and the first season of NR you can tell he thought he was going to be like a cooking Hunter Thompson or something. He was really arrogant and self absorbed. The people filming him didn't like him because he was insufferable at times. Later on though he got a lot more humble and mellowed out. I think he's a pretty cool nerdy chef guy that tried to oversell himself to be some badass. He's the kid you went to middle school with that thought he was badass for smoking cigarettes.

>> No.5376148

>>5373209
he has that liberal American vibe:
>eating ma & pa's burgers/pancakes/whatever in small town america
absolute shit. what garbage. typical white trash food.
>eating ma & pa rat testicles in Asian/African/Hispanic country
wow this is absolutely amazing. the rat sperm really brings out the flavor of the sac

>> No.5376228

The move to CNN really reflected the last season of NR. And really it was kind of stupid that he went to Iraq or Myanmar or any number of other extremely dangerous places to eat food that most people wouldn't even touch. It honestly felt exploitative, in that way that weather reporters stand outside during extreme weather. It just looked like a big dumb white guy out on safari (leaving out the several episodes where he was in fact a big dumb white guy out on safari). Zimmern did Bourdain's schtick on the Travel Channel and actually kept it tight and honest while still managing to be goofy as fuck.

>> No.5376231

>>5373209
/ck/ worships this guy what are you talking about OP

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he's a rude snob. he feels entitled but really has no justification for it.

he looks down on people for putting ketchup on hot dogs. they're fucking hot dogs. bro

>> No.5376247

>>5375843
>pretty gracious guest in his travels.
I always got the impression that he was sort of patronizing in his travel show, but maybe that's just me. At least he's better than the Bizzare Foods guy who is clearly just being a huge goofy dick.

>> No.5376274

>>5376148
American food often lacks nuance or complexity

Compared to a flaming Tagine or stack of Injera with steaming wots or a smooth chutney with idlis the most peasant foods of the third world can seem Haute Cuisine :-P

>> No.5376337

>>5376274
>steaming wots
mein sides