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[Anonymous No.52012]

/ck/ Edition

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[Anonymous No.52156]

First for best director

[Anonymous No.52308]

>Mfw when I had an OP ready that said /swcock/

[Anonymous No.52517]

>>52156
Good april fools joke

[Anonymous No.52573]

>>52012
What's some stupid shit people stay about Star Wars? I'll start
>Luke is a war criminal for blowing up the Death Star

[Anonymous No.52664]

>>52573
>podracing is enjoyable

[Anonymous No.52672]

>>52573
>Tarkin was a failure because he blew up with the death star

Doesn't retroactively ruin what got him there

[Anonymous No.52680]

>>52573
>I like Star Wars

[Anonymous No.52737]

>>52012
Sheevus Christ, I know there's a war on and all but who just stacks a bunch of clone rations like that and dump some fruit on it, then call it a fucking day? That's just sad.

[Anonymous No.52765]

>>52573
That shit drives me insane.

Claiming Alderaan was a military base for the Rebellion is pretty bad also but no where as the one you listed.

[Anonymous No.53389]

>>52573
>Anakin brought balance to the force by killing all the Jedi
>Now there are 2 Jedi and 2 Sith
>Balance
>Disregard the ending to ROTJ

[Anonymous No.53401]

>>52573
that dexter was bad

[Anonymous No.53447]

>Norra: "ERRRRGGGHHH IM SO FUCKING ANGRY WITH SLOANE AAAHHHHHHHHHH LETS GO TO JAKKU SO I CAN STRANGLE HER WITH MY BARE HANDS!!!!"
>Jax: "Dude what the fuck you do realize that an Imperial fleet is on Jakku right? They probably have it blockaded and everything. Hell they have our ship on record and will likely shoot on site and there's no way we'll make it into the correct Star Destroyer let alone make it to the bridge and kill her."
>Norra "NO FUCK YOU IM GOING TO JAKKU NOW!!!"
>flies to Jakku
>Norra "OH FUCKFUCKSHITFUCKFUCK THEY'RE ABOUT TO KILL US!!! FUCKING ESCAPE POD AHHHHHH!"
>goes out an escape pod to this random fucking planet where an entire Imperial fleet awaits her and could easily have a TIE shoot down before the pod ever reaches the surface
Ok this is it. Wendig has gone too far this time. What the fuck.

[Anonymous No.53511]

>>53447
I stopped reading right there senpai. Haven't picked it up since.

[Anonymous No.53738]

>>53389
Fuck I forgot about that. That may be the thing I hate the most that fans say along with my other post >>52765

[Anonymous No.53908]

>>53511
Oh my fucking god I just realized that it gets worse. She says that she has to get to Sloane before she disappears implying that she fucking knows that Sloane goes on to disappear into the Unknown Regions and create the First Order. That event that hasn't happened yet that Sloane isn't even fucking planning. Wendig is so shitty he made a character know about a completely unplanned event which hasn't even happened yet because he's too stupid to realize that it makes 0 sense for characters in universe to know that this event is about to happen.

[Anonymous No.54045]

>>53908
Why was Wendig allowed to write about some of the most important events for the Post ROTJ era again?

[Anonymous No.54075]

>>52573
>After suffering through three horrendous prequels, The Force Awakens has brought Star Wars back, baby!

[Anonymous No.54097]

>>53908
I don't want to defend cuck wendigo but to be fair Thrawn made the exact same type of asspull in Heir to the Empire

[Anonymous No.54209]

Is The Freemaker Adventures any good? I disregarded it, because it is a Lego cartoon series, but now I hear, it actually has quite a good story.

[Anonymous No.54225]

>>54045

[Anonymous No.54258]

>>54209
It's pretty good. It lulls a bit when it tries to get dramatic, but otherwise it's solid.

[Anonymous No.54343]

>>54097
Doesnt Thrawn come up with that for completely the wrong reasons? As a way to show he isnt perfect, and because his reasoning was wrong he doesnt actually catch his target?

Or are you talking about a different incident from the one im thinking of? Thrawn does a few that are approaching that and its hard to figure out if he made a "ya logically that would be what the next move is" and a "okay how exactly did you figure that out?"

[Anonymous No.54378]

>>54209
if you care at all for a star wars story try SWTOR don't believe the memes.

[Anonymous No.54460]

>>54209
It's enjoyable. Some parts I demand become canon.

Come on, Pablo, you bearded asshole! I'll make your coffee for you! I'll make it feel good!

[Anonymous No.54553]

Rate each movie's ending from best to worst.

[Anonymous No.54612]

>>54553
no

[Anonymous No.54708]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DVtPq5z3XY

[Anonymous No.54749]

>>54612
The absolute madman!

[Anonymous No.54765]

>>54378
>That opening for when you land on Manaan
>Still no Manaan SH
No, believe the memes

[Anonymous No.54801]

>>54343
No you're thinking of the second book. In the first book he magically knows which of the main characters is on which ship after pulling the old switcheroo despite evidence to the contrary, believing that the evidence is a ruse to fool him (which it is, but there's no way he could no that). He also correctly deduces their destinations again despite evidence to the contrary. Thrawn knows that Han and Leia and so on know that he's listening and then does the exact opposite of what they say and do. It's pure bullshit.

[Anonymous No.54860]

Post dumb deleted scenes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbhZojeyM_g

[Anonymous No.54883]

>>54765
>>54378
literal unironic gay marriage planet

[Anonymous No.54940]

>>54883
>Not Makeb
>Which is fucking christened "The Gay planet"

[Anonymous No.54980]

>>54860
holy fuck

[Anonymous No.55006]

>>54883
>>54940
what is this meme?

[Anonymous No.55021]

>>54801
Oh I know which scene you are talking about. Ya the book says why he believes that and I see the logic but I simply didnt buy it either. Overall I cut that scene slack because I like the character and the overall writing and I see the logic, but ya kind of bullshit.

[Anonymous No.55049]

>>54553
>RotJ (Special Edition)
>ANH
>RotS
>TPM (Would be lower but Secret Sheev music bumps it up a few ranks)
>ESB
>AotC
>RotJ (Original)
>TFA

[Anonymous No.55172]

>>54860
You know, when I heard RotS had disguised clones in a deleted scene, I thought they would have had their faces obscured and silent until Obi-Wan got up close, where they would have tried to blast him point-blank.

But this...

[Anonymous No.55175]

>>55006
It is some meme that the expansion that introduced said planet also introduced the first bi character (that the player could flirt with successfully) and a character who was gay who isnt even from that planet and was simply on it.

Because it was the first Gay man in TOR and he was met on the planet Makeb, everyone called it "the Gay Planet" because people are idiots who just want to complain about things.

[Anonymous No.55383]

>>55175
No, the reason it was called "the gay planet" is because it's the first planet in the game that introduced yuri and gays
It's a joke.

[Anonymous No.55396]

>>55049
How the fuck can you say the Special Edition of RotJ is the best and the original version of RotJ is the second worse. If anything those two should be flipped.

The idea that EP 3 Hayden Christensen should appear as the force ghost makes literally 0 fucking sense no matter how you look at it.

That was not how he looked when he died, not how Luke remembered him, and not how he looked when he was the most pure and dedicated to the light side. No matter how you look at it it is idiotic.

[Anonymous No.55495]

>>55396
It was more for the celebration around the galaxy and the much better music but okay.

[Anonymous No.55671]

>>55396
>That was not how he looked when he died
Oh I forgot that he was a perfectly healthy old man with all his limbs intact when he died. Silly me. Thank god this mystical force that can turn people into magical ghosts uses this logic because otherwise these magical ethereal blue beings that only certain people can see wouldn't make any sense.

[Anonymous No.55682]

>>55495
Okay I completely forgot about the celebration scenes for a second. That would shoot it back up for me a bit because those are good scenes.

But I would still put the original above it

[Anonymous No.55825]

>>54860
https://youtu.be/jQEiNJnkQAw?t=4m3s

[Anonymous No.55936]

>>55671
Im not saying he had to be perfectly health looking but it sure as hell makes more sense then Hayden randomly being in the scene.

Why the force ghost showed up looking the way they did could be any number of reasons, and I tried to list the possible reasons (not say what the reason was)

The problem is none of the reasons are even remotely logical for ep3 Hayden. 2 of them are at least plausible for the original look, though slightly off because, like you said, he is healthy. But that is more believable then suddenly being ep. 3 Hayden.

[Anonymous No.56046]

>>52573
When people think unexplained things are plotholes

[Anonymous No.56156]

>>56046
Even worse when they think plothole means "thing I didn't like"

[Anonymous No.56165]

>>55936
If they wanted to bring back Episode 3 Hayden they should have just gone with it 100%. Black RotS robes and everything. That would have been better than the weird halfass job of superimposing his face over Obi-Wan's old robes.

[Anonymous No.56239]

That Vader cares about his soldiers.

[Anonymous No.56416]

>>56239
Carry over from Legends. But he does get along with foot soldiers. Better than officers

[Anonymous No.56419]

>>56239
Vader only cared about Tarkin and the emperor. Everyone else was replaceable

and then Luke later

[Anonymous No.56574]

>>56416
Except he didnt care about them in Legends either. They were always tools for him to use.

This post got it right
>>56419

Vader is a man of hate now, he wouldnt suddenly have compassion for conscripts. If he did he wouldnt have had thousands of soldiers dying in the asteroid field trying to get the Falcon and when his officers talk to him about the casualties he says he doesnt care AS a ISD literally explodes.

[Anonymous No.56739]

>>56574
Thanks sempai

But really, Vader is a creature that has fully given himself over to the dark side. It wouldn't make sense for someone who literally cuts through helpless footsoldiers screaming for help, to care about his own. He would see it as a weakness. He respects Tarkin because he is brutally efficient, and Tarkin respects him, and I assume they don't talk about him knowing his identity. They are a symbiotic pair. Tarkin is the brains, and Vader is the space samurai with magic powers and a lazar sword.

[Anonymous No.56783]

>>52012
Is there any tasty looking food in Star Wars at all?

[Anonymous No.56825]

>>56739
>and I assume they don't talk about him knowing his identity
While they probably don't discuss it much, Tarkin knows his identity, since they discuss it openly in ANH.

[Anonymous No.56846]

>>56416

[Anonymous No.56892]

>>56739
I always liked the Tarkin and Vader combo. It is why I enjoyed the book "Tarkin" so much.

Frankly I just like Tarkin

[Anonymous No.56897]

>>56825
That's what I mean. I doubt they ever really talk about who he was before, because Vader has divorced himself from that. There's no heartfelt speeches or declarations or shit, they just get shit done. He thinks on him being Anakin in the Tarkin novel, but it's not something he would discuss with him, because he doesn't pity him.

I like to imagine vader was a bit sad when he lost Tarkin, but that's just me

[Anonymous No.56953]

>>56892
He's my favourite character in the series.

[Anonymous No.56989]

>>56897
He probably missed Tarkin after Ozzel and Needa's fuckups.

[Anonymous No.57057]

>>56892
Best taste anon

[Anonymous No.57117]

>>56846
I remember the butthurt over this, but really it's better this way. Vader should not have any redeeming qualities, no love, no kindness, no real friendship (however close he gets to Tarkin).

[Anonymous No.57175]

>>57117
TOO CLOSE

http://archiveofourown.org/works/8856892

[Anonymous No.57227]

>>57117
Another thing I love about these two. There is no redeeming them. There is no saying 'oh but they had a shitty childhood!! it's okay!!' they just straight up use people. I fucking love it.

[Anonymous No.57370]

>>57175
>poor Motti worries too much

Why does this tag trigger me so?

[Anonymous No.57467]

>>57117
Reminds me of the opening level of The Force Unleashed.

[Anonymous No.57509]

More Old Republic canon content when?

[Anonymous No.57510]

>>54378
I have 7/8 chaarcter stories completed. It's very good for a MMORPG, but pretty meh for Star Wars.

[Anonymous No.57611]

>>57227
>There is no redeeming them
Well...

It's interesting that Tarkin is probably the closest Vader has to a friend, he certainly respects the man, at least for what he can offer in terms of power to the Empire, but he doesn't lose any sleep over Tarkin's death. Still there IS respect, enough to backtalk to Tagge.

[Anonymous No.57655]

>>57117
I will never understand what the fuck the artist was thinking when drawing the effects of that sniper rifle Chewie owned.

[Anonymous No.57669]

>>57611
I mean, fangirls can't explain their actions.

I think it's more of mutual respect, 2bh (to be honest) pham (family)

[Anonymous No.57826]

I FIGURED IT OUT
SNOKE IS ACTUALLY THE VONG

[Anonymous No.57882]

>>57826
No, it's Mace Windu.

[Anonymous No.57894]

>>55825

So I'm not entirely sure if those Wampa scenes were seriously being considered to be added to the film, or just filmed as jokes. The first one that interrupts the Han/Leia argument screams "this is just a joke we're not actually going to use this shot" to me, since it breaks up a scene for no reason. The rest don't have any place they could be logically added without dragging out the movie, but they don't interrupt anything mid-scene so theoretically they could have been seriously considered.

[Anonymous No.58129]

>>54860
...so that's where Lego got the idea

[Anonymous No.58296]

>>57894
Im kind of disappointed that they cut the scene with Leia and Luke in the recovery room. Though it is probably a good thing considering that extra Leia/Luke kiss buildup.

[Anonymous No.58484]

>>57117

No.

If there's not so much as a hint that Vader has redeeming qualities then the entire idea that he can be redeemed makes no sense. There needs to be a space for him to come from and a route for him to come back. If he's 100% edge 100% of the time his heel turn at the end and half his dialogue in Jedi makes zero sense.

Vader needs some small sign that something is in there, or else there's nothing for Luke to draw out.

[Anonymous No.58609]

>>58484
That's the point, though. He spends all of his time trying to bury Anakin as far inside him as he can, and it's not until Luke comes along that Anakin starts to resurface. Just finding out that Luke exists reawakens a part of him he had been running from.

[Anonymous No.58753]

>>58484
Thematically it's important that Luke be the one to reawaken the good in him. Obi-Wan and Yoda insist there isn't any, that Vader is completely evil. Luke is the only person that can feel that there's a small spark of good still left, and he risks everything on the hope that he can use that tiny spark to redeem his father.

Having Vader show redeeming qualities before that kind of dulls the meaning of it. To everyone else he's a complete monster, and only his son believed there could be good left in him.

[Anonymous No.58942]

>>58484
No.

The fact is that Vader is a true Sith. Friendship, care, being best buds with the 501st is NOT compatible with being a Sith. If he ever showed any hints of that the Emperor would damn well have caught on, and it doesn't make any sense that he'd never have done anything about that.

Besides, the point of ROTJ is no one, even Obi-Wan and Yoda, felt there was any hope of Vader being redeemed. The audience is supposed to have doubts Vader can redeem until the very moment he decides to. You need to remember that Vader was hardly on the verge of redemption, not just aching for any excuse to return. It was a struggle. This is clear when he stands idly by while Luke is tortured to the edge of death by the Emperor. It isn't until the last moment that Anakin Skywalker finally wins and returns. Any hint cheapens that.

Luke had faith in his father, and faith does not require evidence.

[Anonymous No.58965]

>>56897

He was, I think. He defends Tarkin when Tagge shits on him in the Vader comic.

[Anonymous No.59013]

>>58753
That's the point of view the Story Group has on Vader. Not even Ahsoka could reach him, nobody can but Luke. Not even Aphra's booty had a chance.

[Anonymous No.59051]

>>58965
>people shitting on Tarkin

Vader should have cut them all down

[Anonymous No.59074]

>>58609
>>58753

There IS no small spark to reawaken. That's the issue. Even when we see inside of Vaders mind, or in his most vulnerable moments, there is NOTHING THERE.

If it's just a movie trilogy, you can rationalize it with a couple of individual lines of dialogue that are at best slightly debatable. But once you build an expanded setting, and say that the stuff that isn't debatable is literally all Vader is one hundred percent of the time, with no regret even in a segment when we see him committing an atrocity from his perspective, there just isn't an argument.

What would that argument even be? Vader slaughters dozens of children, kills everyone who ever trusted him, blankets the galaxy in decades of darkness, personally goes on to kill hundreds of innocents, terrorizes subordinate who trust him. But then suddenly after about an hours discussion he's all good and gets to come back and a bright happy ghost with none of that shit sticking on his conscience?

>>58942

If Vader is true sith, then he can't be redeemed. That's the entire point of Yoda and Obi-Wan's speech. The spark is either demonstrably there, or it isn't.

[Anonymous No.59110]

>>59051

>You have graphs AND A REALLY STUPID HAIRCUT

[Anonymous No.59116]

>>59051
>implying solid numbers is worse then illusive ideas

what a shitlord

[Anonymous No.59139]

>>58965
That depends, I suppose. I considered Vader defending Tagge however it is just as possible he was taking a swipe against the Grand General, chaffing under his leadership. Tagge did replace him, after all, and there is clearly no respect from Tagge. No Sithlord would be comfortable with that. Hell, the only thing that spared Tagge's neck was the Emperor. The moment that protection was removed Vader accepted Tagge's apology.

[Anonymous No.59147]

>>58965

Vader talks shit, that's it. Vader talks shit about everyone he meets who isn't Sheev. I don't buy the idea that he had any trust in Tarkin. Shit, I barely buy the idea that Sheev trusted Tarkin as much as he did.

[Anonymous No.59238]

>>59147
Go read Tarkin

[Anonymous No.59255]

>>59074
>If Vader is true sith, then he can't be redeemed. That's the entire point of Yoda and Obi-Wan's speech. The spark is either demonstrably there, or it isn't.
Vader wasn't redeemed. Anakin Skywalker returned. There IS a difference. We know that even to the Force Vader is entirely different from Anakin. And even if that wasn't true how do you know a TRUE Sith cannot be redeemed? The way you'd have it diminishes Luke's victory in saving his father's soul.

[Anonymous No.59264]

>>59074
>he did a bunch of bad shit therefore he shouldn't be redeemed
I think you miss the point of his redemption in this context.

[Anonymous No.59269]

>>59074
>kills everyone who ever trusted him, blankets the galaxy in decades of darkness, personally goes on to kill hundreds of innocents, terrorizes subordinate who trust him

I kinda always wrote it off as being Palpatine's little bitch. All of the worst evil Vader ever did seems to lead to the Emperor one way or another.

[Anonymous No.59303]

>>59074
>But then suddenly after about an hours discussion
You realize he knew about Luke for more than an hour, right?

[Anonymous No.59344]

>>59238

I did, that's why I don't buy it. Sheev has a long ass internal monologue about how cool Tarkin is because he has a backstory where he killed a few monkeys and his planet lines up on the map in some weird way. The idea that Sheev put some kind of special trust in Tarkin and wanted to make him a member of a Triumviate, and put him on the level of himself and Vader despite Tarkin having no use of the force or any knowledge of Sideous's true identity in the way Amedda or others did, is kind of ridiculous.

It's possible to read something and not find it plausible.

[Anonymous No.59389]

>>59147

I think you're taking it too far now. Sheev clearly liked Tarkin enough to invest time and effort into him. I do assume he trusted him, as far as a Sheev can trust anyone.

[Anonymous No.59407]

>>59074
>There IS no small spark to reawaken. That's the issue.
But there is. The point is that it exists, but everyone- even Vader himself- didn't see it. Finding out that his son, a remaining connection to the wife he threw everything away for, is alive reawakens that. That's why Luke senses a conflict within him. It's not because Vader wasn't such a bad guy after all but because he's started feeling conflicting emotions that even he doesn't want to admit to.

[Anonymous No.59431]

>>59303

Yes, and his behavior DOESN'T CHANGE. That's the issue. If there's something deep inside him to draw out it had every opportunity to present itself before Endor, but didn't.

>>59255

Bull fucking shit Anakin Skywalker returned. Was killing the Sand People also Vader? What about Dooku? OR Mace? Did he just suddenly swap over when Sheev made up the name Vader on the spot? Why did he care about Padme still?

There's a difference between waving your hands and declaring it the force, and it being a plausible character motivation.

[Anonymous No.59460]

>>59344
>Sheev has a long ass internal monologue about how cool Tarkin is because he has a backstory where he killed a few monkeys and his planet lines up on the map in some weird way
I think you're conflating two separate things here. That or you didn't read the book and are just going off a half-remembered summary of it.

[Anonymous No.59468]

>>59147
You underestimate the power of a fully operational Tarkin.

[Anonymous No.59481]

>>59344
It's more that he trusted Tarkins ability to lead, and plan. He needed a face, someone people respected to lead his army. He sure as shit couldn't do it, and Vader was his semi-secret problem solver. So Tarkin was his best bet. he was known throughout the galaxy, and he was good at planning and scheming. He was the second best keikaku master (behind sheev, of course) and so he tested him. The carrion spike proved he can think on his feet. He was bred for the position that he took in the empire.

but that's how I interpreted it. You can totally have a different opinion. That's how those work.

[Anonymous No.59495]

>>59431
>Was killing the Sand People also Vader?
Nope, that was Anakin, Anakin was an asshole.

You can blame Lucas for doing a terrible job at writing Anakin

[Anonymous No.59518]

>>59460

You're the one misremembering. Sheev explicitly says Triumviate and explicitly brings up Eriadu's position on the map relative to Naboo and Tatooine. The way Sheev brings it up he was basically going to make Tarkin emperor.

[Anonymous No.59583]

>>59431
>If there's something deep inside him to draw out it had every opportunity to present itself before Endor, but didn't.
You're still missing the point. He wasn't suddenly going to become a swell guy just because that small part of him woke up. Even to the very end, he's reluctant to go back on that. He watches his son get tortured for a few minutes before he finally decides that he loves him too much to let this happen and sacrifices himself to save him. That's the payoff of that emotional conflict. It was there since at least his meeting with him on Bespin but he couldn't bring himself to turn back on the person he'd become until that moment.

The problem is that you're trying to turn it into a very simple good/evil issue as if some switch inside him was turned on and he should've been a good guy when it did, but that isn't how it works.

[Anonymous No.59594]

>>59264
I think where that anon is tripping up is the notion of an idealized Sith. Ideally yes Sith are remorseless killing machines, yet just as Jedi can never be 100% pure and incorruptible (even Yoda learned he has a Dark Side he has to resist), Sith can have the barest flickering of something better. Even Darth Maul ultimately loved his brother and, ironically, as he lay dying expressed the shared wish between himself and Kenobi to see the Emperor defeated. And yet he was a true Sith. The Sith cannot kill their, for lack of a better word, humanity, rather it is their constant act of resisting it for their own selfish or petty desires, their anger and hate, that makes them monsters. Maul could never conceive of actually honestly joining forces with the Rebels or Kenobi. He couldn't escape his own demons.

Vader DOES have these merest flickers of who he was but you only see it in works like Lords of the Sith when we get the internal workings of Vader's twisted mind. You will never see it in any of his overt actions because he is constantly putting them down. Anakin is in their, somewhere, buried deep but sometimes flashes of him gets out. When the Emperor sensed as much he set out an admittedly complex test that, yes, also proved beneficial in destroying the Cham's hopes, at least for the moment.

Seriously if Vader ever showed anything outright regarding a better nature that would be seen as weakness by Sheev and would invite correction, probably painful correction.